So you need a new copy of Workingman's Dead. A Normal thing. When you finally find it after a month of looking around (CD red book)it has extra songs!!!!!!!!!!! You are thrilled to get extra material or ticked that they have added to a masterpiece? :scratch2:

I don't like it when they mess with the original sequence, but I am usually open to some bonus tracks. I cannot stand, however, when jazz reissues put Take 1, Take 2, Take 3, ad nauseum in a row. Put the bonus tracks at the end, dangit.

I think the extra material is just another way to entice the consumer to buy what they have already bought many times before (vinyl, tape, cd, sacd...). Oh...and for the most part, I don't like it.

THe midprice version is all-original. Sounds like you have the Rhino remastered reissue. All the Rhino Dead reissues have several bonus tracks. I have the second Rhino box set (post WB albums) which is quite nice. Wish I had the first one.

THe midprice version is all-original. Sounds like you have the Rhino remastered reissue. All the Rhino Dead reissues have several bonus tracks. I have the second Rhino box set (post WB albums) which is quite nice. Wish I had the first one.


Yes indeed it is a Rhino reissue in this case but for example I have All Things must Pass on GN/Capital with bonus tracks.
It really bothers me to have extra tracks on a classic disc. It was put together in a time and place in a certain manner and to me that should be respected. I wait till the end of the regular stuff than switch off the cd. I will listen to the extra tracks at a different time but not part of the original listen.I guess I was kind of wondering just how nuts I am!:screwy:

So you need a new copy of Workingman's Dead. A Normal thing. When you finally find it after a month of looking around (CD red book)it has extra songs!!!!!!!!!!! You are thrilled to get extra material or ticked that they have added to a masterpiece? :scratch2:

Not ticked about extra songs. Ticked about having to buy a CD til I find it at a thrift store/yardsale.:D

Not concerned with extra songs.

I think the extra material is just another way to entice the consumer to buy what they have already bought many times before (vinyl, tape, cd, sacd...). Oh...and for the most part, I don't like it.

Yes no doubt you are correct. The extra tracks on Love, Forever Changes for example are awesome but I'd rather it were a a seperate CD.

I think the extra material is just another way to entice the consumer to buy what they have already bought many times before (vinyl, tape, cd, sacd...). Oh...and for the most part, I don't like it.

I don't even like the media changes that force consumers to buy for the latest techno trend. People act like I'm really missing out because if I have a release that is on 8 track than THAT is the way I have it. Same for lp, cassette, and cd. I'm surely not going to replace my collection every time a new device comes out. Now there are a few albums that I have gotten CD copies of from friends that have purchased them. In my case I have a few LPs that are quite valueable and I want to use them as little as possible. The CD remasters are nice and for key albums in my collection I have replaced with CD. Not replaced really but added the remaster.

As far as replacing average, everyday stuff, no way! The only thing I'm missing out on is wasting money.....

I prefer bonus material to be placed at the end. And I would prefer this bonus material to be album out-takes or rare recordings or even some live stuff. I don't like alternate takes or as KeninDC mentioned, the take 1, take 2 stuff so prevalent on jazz remasters.

The Jethro Tull remasters have been nice because those bonus tracks were album out-takes. Previously, the only way to hear these songs was to acquire the 20 Year Anniversary box set released in 1988 that has long been out of print. I'm sure there are many other examples.

I don't like it when they mess with the original sequence, but I am usually open to some bonus tracks. I cannot stand, however, when jazz reissues put Take 1, Take 2, Take 3, ad nauseum in a row. Put the bonus tracks at the end, dangit.
Two of my favorites in this style are
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The Billie Holiday is sad, it shows the artist living on borrowed time.

I like it when the bonus tracks are good, I don't when the bonus tracks are not so good.

I love it when they're on a separate disk -- e.g., the Marillion ones.

I like the first Garbage album with bonus tracks "#1 Crush" and "Subhuman", since they're such killer tracks.

Two of my favorites in this style are
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The Billie Holiday is sad, it shows the artist living on borrowed time.

The Billie Holiday bonus tracks are great. I especially like take 2 of "I'm a Fool to Want You", which is better than the original releases (the booklet explains the different versions used for the original mono LP and the original stereo LP). Every lover of Jazz should get this disc and listen to that incredible take.

So, when thinking about this album and those who complain about extra takes, I say, I am glad that they put them in. Usually, the one used for the original release is the best, but not always.

Also, typically the original release order and what, exactly, is included in an album, involves record executives making marketing decisions. The same goes for the original artwork. It is not all simply 'artistic decisions' made by the performers. This is famously the case with the early Beatles LPs in the U.S., but in most cases where this kind of thing is done, there is not another version to compare to find out the musicians' preference. (In this case, the Beatles preferred the British releases over the American releases, but that does not mean that they made all the decisions regarded song inclusion and song order and artwork.) Honoring record executive's decisions isn't important to me.

Frankly, if being true to the original release is paramount to you, you should buy the original release, not a CD reissue. There was no original intention of old recordings being on CD, as there was no such thing.

Just to get my two cents worth in: I hate the extra tracks unless they are on a separate disc (such as all of the Elvis Costello reissues). I don't even like the way they did the Beatles Capitol reissues with the mono version of the album following the stereo version. I think a separate disc would have been the way to go.

I feel if you want the original only, you can program the CDP to play it that way.

I like having additional cuts of favorites. Often an earlier mix is more appealing to me.

I feel if you want the original only, you can program the CDP to play it that way.

I like having additional cuts of favorites. Often an earlier mix is more appealing to me.

Indeed. What CD player does not allow programming? But for convenience, it is best if one has a CD player that "remembers" the programming for each time it is loaded. My Yamaha CDC-775 has this (one can program something to be remembered every time, or just this time, and one can tell it to ignore the remembered program, if there is one), and many upper model Sonys have this feature. More CD players should have this, just like more CD players should be able to recognize (and access) index numbers. For these things being lacking on many players, blame the manufacturers of CD players.

I wish the original mix of AOXOMOXOA were available on CD... but I am happy I have a copy on vinyl.

I love the extra live songs on my Bridge of Sighs cd. Very good music, very well reproduced.

I love the extra live songs on my Bridge of Sighs cd. Very good music, very well reproduced.

Very cool!! Live Trower cuts are probably great. I have the live album and it is great as well. As far as production (Bridge Of Sighs), yes I agree, well produced. I always think its weird how we claim to have so much better technology now then say 1970. If so what are we doing with it? I don't hear music today with many of the dynamics that used to be somewhat common back in the day.Look at the magic The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and Pink Floyd amoung others were coming up with with such "limited" equipment. Are the days of studio magic over? Actually I think the limitations are what created a lot of the magic. A lot is taken for granted now. You used to have to do some thinking, experimenting. Too much plug and play....

Something is wrong anyway when we look to American Idol for our music heroes. Good luck!!

I just picked up another cd with extra tracks.
Ok the extra tracks are good but I think of an album as a piece of art.
Would extra brush strokes be added to a masters painting.
Yes I know I am nuts on this. :screwy:
Just had to vent.

Actually a very good point. However as many rip offs as there are in this country these days I don't complain when I get extra for my money. Especially if it is previously unreleased stuff.

I agree about add on's kind of ruining the artist's art in a way but you dont have to listen to the extras. This is why I hate "Greatest Hits" type releases. Actually if I were you I would just make a copy with the extras deleted and put the extras on a separate disc. The only way I really think that they would be butchering the art would be if they added in extra tracks through the original song lineup, which they usually dont do.

I have the remaster/expanded edition of Santana's 2nd album "Abraxas" and they added on 3 live cuts at the end. That was an added attraction for me. I have no other way of ever hearing the live Royal Albert Hall cuts so that is gold to me. If I want to get nostalgic I can spin the LP in either stereo of Quadraphonoic 4 channel stereo.

And people think "Surround" is some modern big deal. Quad RULES!!!

The best example of what you are getting at are the Jimi Hendrix releases that came out shortly after his death. They actually took Jimi's guitar tracks that were never finished and brought in other musicians to comlete the sessions with NO input from Jimi. Now THAT is screwed up. "Midnight Lightning " is the name of one Hendrix rip. I think there was one or two more....

Two of my favorites in this style are
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The Billie Holiday is sad, it shows the artist living on borrowed time.

Substance Abuse. It is sad. And it is a tuff road back, if one can make it.
Okay, it depends on the bonus material. A bad example of this, is the Verve Eilte Reissue of "Lee Konitz, Motion". Most of the bonus tracks, start, play for a minute or so, and breakdown. That is worthless. Now the alternate take I have on "Freddie Hubbards, Keep Your Soul Together" is superb. It's an alternate version of the title track, that's five minutes longer, and is played at a different pace then the regular version. I think as long as the bonus material is worthwhile. There are releases worth buying, and releases that are not. I picked up Stan Getz In Sweden, 1958-1960, and a third of it, is a live concert that was never release on the original Danish Album. Or on anything else. So it just depends.
What amazes me is what is not in print.