View Full Version : Which are the best Pioneer turntables?


marantzfan
03-13-2007, 09:44 PM
I just got a georgeous SX-1050 which I have paired with some recently refinished HPM-100's. Now, I want to keep it all Pioneer!!! What is the best Pioneer turntable to finish it off?? What do you guys spin?

alexkerhead
03-13-2007, 09:52 PM
PL-530 is an excellent TT that matches well with many carts and stylii. :)

PL-570 and PL-600 are quartz locked, but cost many times more and offer little to no performance increase.

marantzfan
03-13-2007, 09:53 PM
PL-530 is an excellent TT that matches well with many carts and stylii. :)

PL-570 and PL-600 are quartz locked, but cost many times more and offer little to no performance increase.

I saw a pretty PL-550 on the bay, where does that fall in the lineup?

alexkerhead
03-14-2007, 12:28 AM
I guess better than a 530, but never saw a 550 before. Guess I need to read up more. :)

ferninando
03-14-2007, 01:40 AM
518 semiauto DD

nickrobotron
03-14-2007, 01:51 AM
don't do the 530. i've had two and had the same problems with both. auto return was real weak, barely making it to the rest, sometimes not coming close. platter speed was jerky and hard to dial in. ugh, super frustrating. they did sound good though. very heavy duty. i hate when you hit stop and you have to wait over 10 seconds for the table to shut off. makes listening to vinyl very inconvenient. go for a manual table. i'll never trust pioneer's automatic tables again.

HALOLS
03-14-2007, 02:31 AM
Well, if you ask which one is the best, it would have to be the Exlcusive P3a.

siamac
03-14-2007, 03:40 AM
The best Pioneer TT is PL-61.

But PL-550 would be the best to fit to your system.
If you find a good working PL-570 with good wood-look-finish, it will cost a lot.
PL-505, PL-707, PL-55X would be good choices, too.

marantzfan
03-14-2007, 12:57 PM
WOW! Thanks for all the input guys. So I have had several nods for the PL-530,550,570 etc. What should these go for roughly? Also, Robisme, which manual Pioneer tables would you recommend?

IXLR8
03-14-2007, 01:24 PM
My wife bought me a PL-530 for Christmas it has worked so well and looks very nice. She has always liked the PL-51 the best and has had several other Pioneer TT. The Dual 701 or 721 with Shure V15 type III would look and sound great if you did not mind it not being a Pioneer.

ferninando
03-14-2007, 01:26 PM
the 518 is manual start, auto return/off. direct drive. fully adj. S arm

Vinylhammer
03-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the PL-630 or PL-610. All silver and nice tables.

Harvey/ Ga
03-14-2007, 09:46 PM
I was about to mention the PL-630, as it's on my sort list to replace the DP-EC-8, should I ever get lucky enough to snag one. Missed out on a deal on E-bay today. The 630 had 3 decent carts, and the buy-it-now price was $160.
It only lasted 3 hours Decent ones can go for up to twice that on E-bay.

My PL-L1000 is a neat TT. One that I've admired for a while now. Not completely setup yet, as I need a permanent spot (and equipment cabinet) for the "mancave"/rec-room system. I played an old vinyl on it to test it out, and it worked well...considering the setup....Good Luck on your search.

jleon92f
03-14-2007, 10:15 PM
I was about to mention the PL-630, as it's on my sort list to replace the DP-EC-8, should I ever get lucky enough to snag one. Missed out on a deal on E-bay today. The 630 had 3 decent carts, and the buy-it-now price was $160.
It only lasted 3 hours Decent ones can go for up to twice that on E-bay.

My PL-L1000 is a neat TT. One that I've admired for a while now. Not completely setup yet, as I need a permanent spot (and equipment cabinet) for the "mancave"/rec-room system. I played an old vinyl on it to test it out, and it worked well...considering the setup....Good Luck on your search.

Hi,
I have the PL-10 and the PL-630, base line and almost top of the line. They both sound great play through the right amps and speakers.:thmbsp:
Enjoy the music.:yes:
John.:music:

hakaplan
03-14-2007, 10:53 PM
From 1976, the line up was:
Belt:
PL-112D Manual
PL-115D Semi
PL-117D Auto

Direct Drive:
PL-510 / 510A Manual
PL-530 Auto
PL-550 Quartz Manual, VTA adjustment
PL-570 Quartz Auto, VTA adjustment

The S/N and wow specs on the DDs were identical, just differ by features. Naturally the autos were a little heavier than the manuals.

The next generation was 1978:
Belt: PL-512(M), 514(S), 516(A)
DD: 518 (M), 520(S), 540(A), 560(AQ), 610, (SQ), 630(AQ)

The PL-610 and 630 differ from the rest of the pack with floating suspension and VTA adjustment.

Next came 1979. The top of the line was the PL-600, which was again Quartz, floating suspension, VTA adjustment.
They added a few more models to that line in 1980, but no new high end model.

In 1981 they began producing lighter, straight arm tables with the PL-2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Never saw an 8 or 9 or encountered anyone with one, so no idea of the quality. There are some folks here with lower models.

hakaplan
03-14-2007, 11:06 PM
I was about to mention the PL-630, as it's on my sort list to replace the DP-EC-8, should I ever get lucky enough to snag one. Missed out on a deal on E-bay today. The 630 had 3 decent carts, and the buy-it-now price was $160.
It only lasted 3 hours Decent ones can go for up to twice that on E-bay.

Actually the shipping to the east coast was $100 :yikes: But with the three carts including the V15-IV and three headshells, and in nice shape, still worth it. One of the best sounding tables I've heard. But the PL-570/50/30/10 and the PL-600 are right up there along with it in sound and build quality.

siamac
03-15-2007, 02:41 AM
Here my PL-8:

http://www.siamac.de/images/im001337.jpg

Here one of my PL-600:

http://www.siamac.de/images/e33f5797d90080602.jpg

Here my PL-630:

http://www.siamac.de/images/im001298.jpg

Here my PL-L1000:

http://www.siamac.de/images/e33f5797da078a105.jpg

hakaplan
03-15-2007, 08:48 AM
Siamac, tell me about the PL-8. How do you think it compares with the PL-600 and PL-630?

kbs48
03-15-2007, 09:08 AM
I have had great reliability with my PL-55DX it has low cap wireing for us quad guys, I paired it with the Audio Technica AT331LP.I bought it new in 1975.

onepixel
03-15-2007, 10:14 AM
The PL-570 was my favorite Pioneer turntable and played with my SX-1050, until I got a PLC-590. My PLC-590 has a Blackwidow tonearm.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12962

http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27808

marantzfan
03-15-2007, 01:53 PM
The PL-570 was my favorite Pioneer turntable and played with my SX-1050, until I got a PLC-590. My PLC-590 has a Blackwidow tonearm.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12962

http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27808

That PL-570 is the kind of style I'm looking for. Something to match with the walnut cabinet on my sx-1050.

Your's is a pretty one too...:thmbsp:

marantzfan
03-15-2007, 01:55 PM
Also thanks for the pics Siamac. I don't think I have ever seen any of those tables before. That and the shot with the sx-1980 in the back. You'd think I wasn't lookin at pics on AK because when I saw it I was Like "Hey, thats an sx-1980, WOW!"

On a seperate note though, I notice that ALL of your dustcovers are in perfect shape. Do you know somebody that knows how to buff them?

onepixel
03-15-2007, 02:13 PM
That PL-570 is the kind of style I'm looking for. Something to match with the walnut cabinet on my sx-1050.

Your's is a pretty one too...:thmbsp:


The one thing I didn't like about my PL-570 was the vinyl veneer.

I think Siamac reveneered his PL-570 with excellent results.

And that combo with the HPM-100s absolutely rocks! :thmbsp:

madpioneer
03-15-2007, 03:06 PM
:d .....

alwayslooking
03-15-2007, 03:19 PM
PL-117d Would like to have a 570 though

hakaplan
03-15-2007, 04:50 PM
:d .....
That's very nice. Mind telling us what it is?

madpioneer
03-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Its an Elite PL-90 I spotted on a popular auction site. I think the link is posted in Dollars and Sense. I snagged all the pics of it cuz I never heard of this one before but looks to be worthy of some serious music enjoyment.
Last I looked it was going for over $900.00. Seller claims the retail was $900.00. Does not include the cart.
No affiliation..just drool time :drool:

hakaplan
03-15-2007, 05:42 PM
Its an Elite PL-90 I spotted on a popular auction site. I think the link is posted in Dollars ans Sense. I snagged all the pics of it cuz I never heard of this one before but looks to be worthy of some serious music enjoyment.
Last I looked it was going for over $900.00. Seller claims the retail was $900.00. Does not include the cart.
No affiliation..just drool time :drool:
Wouldn't you just know it--the guy is only 10 minutes away from me. :tears:

marantzfan
03-15-2007, 05:46 PM
Wouldn't you just know it--the guy is only 10 minutes away from me. :tears:

GO FOR IT!:thmbsp:

siamac
03-15-2007, 05:58 PM
Siamac, tell me about the PL-8. How do you think it compares with the PL-600 and PL-630?

PL-8īs case is made of plastic. When you look at the tonearm and compare to PL-600, it looks cheap-made, too. The weight of the TT tells the rest ...

PL-630 has the best tonearm of all Pioneers. (Almost like PA-5000)

bordeno
03-15-2007, 06:20 PM
Can't believe no one's mentioned the PL-71, which was from about 1974-75. TOTL in its time. If not one of the best Pioneer tables, certainly one of the prettiest!

danj
03-16-2007, 03:06 AM
I really have no idea which is "best" but I have always had a weakness for the PL-41. :banana:

marantzfan
03-16-2007, 03:45 PM
Well, taking a little bit of a chance here....but I heard this model number recommended and the price looked alright so I pulled the trigger...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200087741376&rd=1&rd=1

Once it gets here I'll set it up and let you guys know the details..Untill then, we wait...:worried:

siamac
03-16-2007, 04:45 PM
Pl-51 and PL-71 almost look the same.
In my opinion that is the best Pioneer, PL-61:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/6955/pl61hq8.jpg

HALOLS
03-17-2007, 05:05 PM
Well Siamac I must say I don't agree that the PL-61 is the best Pioneer turntable.
The PL-61 is a belt drive. For a belt drive turntable a S/N ratio of 55db is rather bad. This is on the level of good idler drives.

In my opinion the best pioneer turntable is the Exclusive P3a. It's built like a tank (47kg), it's direct drive, and has a S/N ratio of 95db. 95db is EXTREMELY high! And it cost a couple of fortunes.
http://www11.plala.or.jp/teikakakucosme/PIONEER-EXCLUSIVE/player/p3a.JPG

I am completely aware that to say which one of these are best, is somewhat a discussion of what is best of belt drive and direct drive...

Crazy
03-17-2007, 05:56 PM
Can't believe no one's mentioned the PL-71, which was from about 1974-75. TOTL in its time. If not one of the best Pioneer tables, certainly one of the prettiest!

OK.......I'll agree since I own, use daily & love the PL-71 with a Shure V15 # 3 setup ( which mine has).

100% manual, DC servo direct drive, but this is what I like.

A truly beautiful TT and performs just great.

HERE'S MINE (YES, that is real wood & the original finish.)--------->

( I'm missing the Pioneer logo on the left front. Can't find that baby anywhere!!!)

arrow 68
03-17-2007, 06:42 PM
Pl-51 and PL-71 almost look the same.
In my opinion that is the best Pioneer, PL-61:

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/6955/pl61hq8.jpg

I have seen a few Pl 51's, and they look similiar, but are far from being the same. The 51 uses some lame veneer, over particle board, where the 71 is Solid Wood. The Pl 71 is also completely manual, so be advised. I really like mine. I was informed by a knowledgeable Aker, that the Arm is made by Jelco, which makes nice arms, after I checked, and did some research. I was lucky, and got it cheap. Here's a PL 71, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190093281874&fromMakeTrack=true.
Doubt I would buy this one though.
The 51, and 61 are Belt Drive, and the 71 is Direct Drive.

siamac
03-17-2007, 06:46 PM
Well Siamac I must say I don't agree that the PL-61 is the best Pioneer turntable.
The PL-61 is a belt drive. For a belt drive turntable a S/N ratio of 55db is rather bad. This is on the level of good idler drives.

In my opinion the best pioneer turntable is the Exclusive P3a. It's built like a tank (47kg), it's direct drive, and has a S/N ratio of 95db. 95db is EXTREMELY high! And it cost a couple of fortunes.


I am completely aware that to say which one of these are best, is somewhat a discussion of what is best of belt drive and direct drive...

When you take a look at the high-end turntables, you can buy today, none of them have direct drive.

For me, these EXCLUSIVE TTs donīt belong to the Vintage Pioneer gear we are talking about :no:
I was talking about TT far under $1000,-.
I love that EXCLUSIVE stuff, but I stopped thinking about them :yes:

marantzfan
03-17-2007, 06:53 PM
I have seen a few Pl 51's, and they look similiar, but are far from being the same. The 51 uses some lame veneer, over particle board, where the 71 is Solid Wood. The Pl 71 is also completely manual, so be advised. I really like mine. I was informed by a knowledgeable Aker, that the Arm is made by Jelco, which makes nice arms, after I checked, and did some research. I was lucky, and got it cheap. Here's a PL 71, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190093281874&fromMakeTrack=true.
Doubt I would buy this one though.
The 51, and 61 are Belt Drive, and the 71 is Direct Drive.

Actually, the PL-51 is a manual, direct drive. Here is a link to another auction for the same table that I got..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-PL-51-Turntable-Excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ230100354685QQcategoryZ64625QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

siamac
03-17-2007, 06:56 PM
I have seen a few Pl 51's, and they look similiar, but are far from being the same. The 51 uses some lame veneer, over particle board, where the 71 is Solid Wood. The Pl 71 is also completely manual, so be advised. I really like mine. I was informed by a knowledgeable Aker, that the Arm is made by Jelco, which makes nice arms, after I checked, and did some research. I was lucky, and got it cheap. Here's a PL 71, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190093281874&fromMakeTrack=true.
Doubt I would buy this one though.
The 51, and 61 are Belt Drive, and the 71 is Direct Drive.

PL-51 is direct drive and has almost the same design as PL-71.
I wrote it before in this forum, that PL-71 was the last TT Pioneer build in real wood veneer. PL-51 has vinyl veneer :yes:
I know the differences between them.

arrow 68
03-17-2007, 07:05 PM
I think if you are patient, and do some research, and keep checking the local haunts, and Craigslist, you will find many TT options. I can't really say I would spend a couple hundred dollars on any Pioneer TT. I think there are so many choices in that price range. I like Luxman. Kenwood made some nice TT in the late 70's. I am not sure, the first nice TT I used was a Kenwood KD 5070 DD if I remember. I am not to sure about the Ebay purchase of the PL 51, but good luck with it. :music:

marantzfan
03-17-2007, 07:09 PM
I think if you are patient, and do some research, and keep checking the local haunts, and Craigslist, you will find many TT options. I can't really say I would spend a couple hundred dollars on any Pioneer TT. I think there are so many choices in that price range. I like Luxman. Kenwood made some nice TT in the late 70's. I am not sure, the first nice TT I used was a Kenwood KD 5070 DD if I remember. I am not to sure about the Ebay purchase of the PL 51, but good luck with it. :music:

I've got a KD-5070 on my Kenny rig.:thmbsp:

arrow 68
03-17-2007, 07:18 PM
PL-51 is direct drive and has almost the same design as PL-71.
I wrote it before in this forum, that PL-71 was the last TT Pioneer build in real wood veneer. PL-51 has vinyl veneer :yes:
I know the differences between them.

Yes. I just checked and the PL 51 is direct drive. I am sure you know the difference's between them. And I know them also, and the PL 71 is a much better unit. The Arms are completely different for starters. And as you mentioned so is the base. And so are the controls. Now I am not sure on the motor? If anybody knows, chime in.

marantzfan
03-17-2007, 07:19 PM
Yes. I just checked and the PL 51 is direct drive. I am sure you know the difference's between them. And I know them also, and the PL 71 is a much better unit. The Arms are completely different for starters. And as you mentioned so is the base. And so are the controls. Now I am not sure on the motor? If anybody knows, chime in.

:tears: It LOOKED like a good TT, and came recommended...:tears:

Crazy
03-17-2007, 07:44 PM
:tears: It LOOKED like a good TT, and came recommended...:tears:

IT IS a nice TT. :yes:

As stated before........we ain't discussing the elite, most expensive TT's.:no:

You didn't go wrong as long as it arrives unbroken.:thmbsp:

Also the cartridge means a lot as far as performance.:yes:

Also a medium quality TT set up correctly makes it a great TT and better than a lot of over priced TT's out there that are not set up worth squat and therefore not worth squat as far as performance.

Belt drive, idler, direct drive?????? It's all a matter of taste I guess.

I was always a "belt drive guy" until I got the PL-71. It sold me on a good direct drive.

So.........try the new TT you bought. If you like it.........who cares what anyone else thinks? :scratch2: :thmbsp: :D

Another tip is to hook any TT to a Sansui and it will automaticly be improved!
lol :D :D :D :thmbsp:

arrow 68
03-17-2007, 07:45 PM
:tears: It LOOKED like a good TT, and came recommended...:tears:

I did not check shipping, but if it cleans up nice, and lets say it has a nice cartridge, I think you did fine. I did not care for the way it was photographed. Patience is what I say. I also do not know how Craigslist is in your area. But I am tired of Ebay for gear. And it always seams like in the Balto/DC Area, if I find something of interest, it always sells for a higher price on Ebay, then most other areas. I have had a few nice finds on the local Craigslist though. That's how I got the PL 71. Now you would cry if I told you how much I paid for it. It was pretty cheap. Good luck, and I hope the Pioneer PL 51 turns out to be a nice performer. -Mark-

IXLR8
03-17-2007, 07:50 PM
:tears: It LOOKED like a good TT, and came recommended...:tears:

Fear not the PL-51 can sound great and is a fine looking TT to boot. Those could end up being tears of joy.

Crazy
03-17-2007, 07:50 PM
Actually, the PL-51 is a manual, direct drive. Here is a link to another auction for the same table that I got..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-PL-51-Turntable-Excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ230100354685QQcategoryZ64625QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Notice it didn't sell at the starting bid of $165

I'd say with that cartridge it be worth maybe $75 - $100 tops.

Crazy
03-17-2007, 07:55 PM
I did not check shipping, but if it cleans up nice, and lets say it has a nice cartridge, I think you did fine. I did not care for the way it was photographed. Patience is what I say. I also do not know how Craigslist is in your area. But I am tired of Ebay for gear. And it always seams like in the Balto/DC Area, if I find something of interest, it always sells for a higher price on Ebay, then most other areas. I have had a few nice finds on the local Craigslist though. That's how I got the PL 71. Now you would cry if I told you how much I paid for it. It was pretty cheap. Good luck, and I hope the Pioneer PL 51 turns out to be a nice performer. -Mark-

I'm turning toward craiglist and such myself for the "real deals".

But I did get my Pl-71 off Ebay for $125 and that included an almost unused Shure V15 type3 cartridge setup. It was also a local pickup.

The deals are there if you are patient.

danj
03-18-2007, 02:03 AM
The PL-61 is a belt drive. For a belt drive turntable a S/N ratio of 55db is rather bad. This is on the level of good idler drives.

In my opinion the best pioneer turntable is the Exclusive P3a. It's built like a tank (47kg), it's direct drive, and has a S/N ratio of 95db. 95db is EXTREMELY high! And it cost a couple of fortunes.


S/N ratio comparisons are totally meaninless when comparing one turntable with another unless they are both measured with the same phono cartridge, the same test methods and equipment, AND the same frequency weighting formulae. Without those controllable factors the numbers are nothing more than advertising hyperbole.:scratch2:

HALOLS
03-18-2007, 06:15 AM
I was just pointing out what was the best turntable Pioneer has ever made. I agree that the PL-61 perhaps is the best Pioneer turntable that can be had for a resonable price today.

Ofcourse S/N-ratios cannot be used to say if one turntable is better than another. And ofcourse the same standards has to be used. The 95db for the P3a was using the DIN-B standard. And that is extremely high. The S/N ratio can say something about how well made the bearing and motor is.

But in the end, I must agree that the Exclusive series is perhaps outside most peoples price range.

arrow 68
03-18-2007, 11:46 AM
I'm turning toward craiglist and such myself for the "real deals".

But I did get my Pl-71 off Ebay for $125 and that included an almost unused Shure V15 type3 cartridge setup. It was also a local pickup.

The deals are there if you are patient.

$80 for the Pioneer PL 71, and an SX 650, and a CT- F650 Cassette Deck. I have yet to replace the cartridge in the PL 71. Empire Cartidge. The TT is NM. As was everything else. The Lady bought it all out of College. Of course this was luck, it happens once in a while.
That Shure Cartridge, makes $125 a good buy. I did that with a Luxman off of Ebay a few years ago. It came with an Ortofon OM 40 Cartridge, and Stylus. Of course the packaging job was awful, and the dustcover was ruined in shipping. The rest of the table is fine. It was the last TT bought on Ebay. And probably will be.

danj
03-18-2007, 03:56 PM
That -55dB for the PL-61 is probably measured via the JIS weighting. A DIN-B rating for the same table would likely be mid-to-high 60s.

That -95dB rating is spectacular, indeed. DIN-B ratings are the most generous of all the commonly used weightings but, nontheless, -95dB is incredible. That's up there with a good CD player as far as noise floor is concerned. And I do agree that the P3a may be the best Pioneer table ever - even if it's not affordable for the vast majority of Pioneer consumers. That does not change the fact that it is one helluva fine machine that most of us would love to own.
:music:

Harvey/ Ga
03-18-2007, 09:21 PM
Actually the shipping to the east coast was $100 :yikes: But with the three carts including the V15-IV and three headshells, and in nice shape, still worth it. One of the best sounding tables I've heard. But the PL-570/50/30/10 and the PL-600 are right up there along with it in sound and build quality.

That was for USPS. If you checked the other shipping option, it was cheaper. $87 USPS and $33.72 to my address. I guess I'll do Sour Grapes, but I 'd have done the buy-it-now if I could :yes: But I was asleep at the switch, and didn't see my e-mail until it was long gone...

Harvey

Phatz
01-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Have a Pioneer PL-61 and I need help with the arm adjustment and cartridge suggestions.

marantzfan
01-04-2008, 05:59 PM
Have a Pioneer PL-61 and I need help with the arm adjustment and cartridge suggestions.

You'll probably get alot more help with your question if you start a new thread.

bowtieman427
01-05-2008, 01:54 PM
I had a Pioneer PL-71 which with my SX-1050 and I thought was great.
thanks
Jim

Bstable
07-09-2009, 10:53 AM
My first TT was a Pioneer Pl-518, and I wish I never let it go.

I just bought a PL-530 in excellent condition for $50 (also included were a mint pair of CS-88A speakers and a Sansui 5000A receiver) sorry I had to brag. :yes:

Anyway it is a beautiful TT, and it came with an AT331LP cartridge which someone mentioned they had on their Pioneer TT. I assume that this cart matched well with these TTs.

keithpgdrb
07-09-2009, 11:14 AM
I've got the PL-50, and I think its great! working on a decent platter mat for it though, the old rubber one warped. Anyway, solid table, simple belt drive mech. nice big tone arm, and all at GW!!

Hopeou812
09-08-2013, 06:15 AM
I've got the PL-A35, operates both as an Automatic or Manual, Love it but I also Have a JVC QL-Y5F that I like just as well if not better. I'm wondering though, anyone ever compare the PL-707 to the JVC QL-Y5F? They sure do appear to be very similar.

White_wolf
09-08-2013, 11:40 AM
I've got the PL-A35, operates both as an Automatic or Manual, Love it but I also Have a JVC QL-Y5F that I like just as well if not better. I'm wondering though, anyone ever compare the PL-707 to the JVC QL-Y5F? They sure do appear to be very similar.

Don't have that JVC so no. But I can say that the PL-707 is an excellent table probably one of the best they made in the 80's, second only to the PL-90 if you don't include the japan only models. It certainly is the nicest table I have ever had. It is super quiet and the auto functions are very smooth unlike my PL-950 where they were horrible forcing me to always set the needle on manually.

bd1886
09-08-2013, 12:45 PM
Patience to getting the one you've learned to want shouldn't stop you from picking up one of the many "only" decent ones mentioned here to "hold you" for the big find with the best ones mentioned. I just tuned up my just found PL-530 and calling it "only decent" does not take away from it's real performance quality. (With a nice cartridge, can only imagine the hair spitting has to begin around this league of Pioneer TT?)

For me and an admittedly "shallow attitude" with worshiping the impact of a wood finish in vintage,I keep same with same priority. (I really like nice Sansui too but the "Sansui-ization" concerning the vinyl on the PL-530 drives me nuts....veneering imminent.)

KKnight
09-09-2013, 12:47 AM
My 'low end' PL-12D has been just perfect thru the years with a high end old school Stanton stylus. Rebuilt it and kept the belt new and every thing else pristine. So, I have to agree- don't just look for bargains on high end models- find or keep one that has been kept pristine and worked like it was supposed to in the first place. In these non-vinyl times, unless youve got mint albums youre going to use it for that haven been hermetically sealed lol, you are not going to notice that much difference in most models.. Not for the common man.

CohibaJoe
09-09-2013, 02:43 PM
From 1976, the line up was:
Belt:
PL-112D Manual
PL-115D Semi
PL-117D Auto

Direct Drive:
PL-510 / 510A Manual
PL-530 Auto
PL-550 Quartz Manual, VTA adjustment
PL-570 Quartz Auto, VTA adjustment

The S/N and wow specs on the DDs were identical, just differ by features. Naturally the autos were a little heavier than the manuals.

The next generation was 1978:
Belt: PL-512(M), 514(S), 516(A)
DD: 518 (M), 520(S), 540(A), 560(AQ), 610, (SQ), 630(AQ)

The PL-610 and 630 differ from the rest of the pack with floating suspension and VTA adjustment.

Next came 1979. The top of the line was the PL-600, which was again Quartz, floating suspension, VTA adjustment.
They added a few more models to that line in 1980, but no new high end model.

In 1981 they began producing lighter, straight arm tables with the PL-2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Never saw an 8 or 9 or encountered anyone with one, so no idea of the quality. There are some folks here with lower models.
This is what I have:
(3) PL-630
(1) PL-610
(1) PL-600

Also have the SX-1050 and SX-1250...All Silver for me...