NS-1000 sucessor

[Yamaha1]

http://www.yamaha-uk.com/pdf/Soavo%201%20Review%20Hifi%20World%20Apr%20071.pdf

Looks like Yamaha finally has a successor to the greatest NS-1000:tresbon:

David Price is in love with them, even though the aluminum tweeter is unable to match the beryllium ones in 1000, the imaging and balance alone tilts the scale, guess would be a nice addition to my collection even at the whopping $2000+ price.

[Mark B]

He compared them to NS-1000M's not the larger NS-1000's or the even better NS-1000x's. I'll take any of the NS-1000's over those new Yammie speakers any day. :music:

[Yamaha1]

He compared the treble and mids of 1000M to the Soavo, the 1000M has the same treble and mid character as the 1000x, only in bass does the 1000x hold an edge. Point being its good to see Yamaha back on track for the next coming generations by making a speaker like the Soavo. Natural accurate sound is what Yamaha is after, with the NS-1000 series they succeeded quite well, now with Soavo series they revive and pay tribute to the great NS-1000.

[Vint Age]

He compared them to NS-1000M's not the larger NS-1000's or the even better NS-1000x's. I'll take the NS-1000x's over those new Yammie speakers any day. :music:

They sure look nice but all the same, I'll stick with my NS-1000M's. IMHO they're pretty hard to beat overall except for say a pair of NS-2000's .

Another AKer who has both 1000's and 1000M running comments here that when you close your eyes you can't really tell the difference between the two types. As I understand it, in an acoustic suspension design it's the drivers you are designing for, not the cabinet resonance and the drivers, as is the case in a bass reflex design.

The 1000X's are speced as producing slightly more bass than the 1000's/1000M's but I've read comments on AK that say having had both 1000M's and X's, they can't hear enough difference to warrant the difference in price except when it comes to WAF (which is important enough if you'd like to have them in your livingroom). It only took 1 listening to the 1000M's for my wife to say, "OK, you can leave those right where they are :p:.":D

[Cosmos]

They sure don't LOOK like they're in the same league.. Not that appearance is that important, but if they really are good.. they sure don't look it. Looks like cheap HT to me.

[Vint Age]

They sure don't LOOK like they're in the same league.. Not that appearance is that important, but if they really are good.. they sure don't look it. Looks like cheap HT to me.

I think they look awesome! And they probably sound awesome too.:thmbsp:

[alwayslooking]

Thanks yamaha1, that was an enjoyable review to read. The reviewer explained his opinion in a clear, concise review. I think they are nice looking also.

[roadie1]

Damn! Now I have something else to lust after. Add these to my short list. I'm in the speaker market right now and these fall right into my price range.

I'm gonna sell off everything I own, go sit on a moutain top and leave this insanity behind. may have to take an iPod though!:nutz:

[Yamaha1]

Cosmos,

Looks can be deceptive and subject to built up perceptions, most see the NS-1000 as cheap ugly disco era left overs, specially the 1000M with its metal mesh over the drivers, to me, both my NS-1000 look like true speakers. Yamaha's latest speaker offerings, be it the low end NS-555/777 or the Soavo have way better finish than its counterparts from say B&W, Paradigm etc. So before you pre-judge them, suggest you audition them and check them out.

I am truly happy that the Soavo scored this well, last time it was the NS-8HX which got fantastic reviews but not from the English press, it was Australian and German. At least the coming generation, those who can't get a NS-1000 will still be able to savor the accurate Yamaha sound.

One point to consider is that David Price, editor of Hi Fi World as well as the reviewer for Soavo himself is a devout NS-1000 fan, he uses them as his personal speakers, so for the Soavo to impress him, it must have taken a lot.

[roadie1]

Oooohh, when I first saw the $2000 price tag I thought maybe, just checked out their site and they're $1800 APIECE, I didn't catch that at first. Still interesting!.....R1

[Vint Age]

One point to consider is that David Price, editor of Hi Fi World as well as the reviewer for Soavo himself is a devout NS-1000 fan, he uses them as his personal speakers, so for the Soavo to impress him, it must have taken a lot.
Interesting.:scratch2:

[Yamaha1]

Vint Age,

As per your avatar pic,I see you keep your NS-1000 pretty close to the wall, contrary to the recomendations, how is the result of keeping them close to the wall by the way?

I keep mine 3ft away from walls and corners.

[Skinley]

They sure don't LOOK like they're in the same league.. Not that appearance is that important, but if they really are good.. they sure don't look it. Looks like cheap HT to me.

My thoughts entirely, speaker technology peaked in the 70's, everything since has been an attempt to retain most of the quality, but with more visual appeal.

(just my opinion) etc.

[Yamaha1]

Skinley,

The two Yamaha devs used the NS-1000 as their benchmark and from the various test reports I read about the Soavo, they seemed to have done a mighty fine work at that, although the designers admitted that nothing will come close to the NS-1000, not possible unless you put beryllium back in equation.

[Skinley]

Skinley,

The two Yamaha devs used the NS-1000 as their benchmark and from the various test reports I read about the Soavo, they seemed to have done a mighty fine work at that, although the designers admitted that nothing will come close to the NS-1000, not possible unless you put beryllium back in equation.

That's what I meant, better looking and almost as good.

[Arkay]

Given a choice, I'd much prefer the NS1000-, with any letter after it! They are at the TOP (after the Infinity IRS-V's, which I have no room for, anyway) of my wish-list of speakers to find and own.

Those Soavo's look too much like all the Made-in-China HT rubbish coming out these days, for my tastes. I just took some much better-looking speakers to the consignment shop to sell! Reading the review, he gives the new speakers a tiny edge in some areas, but not in most; especially near the end, you can see where they just aren't up to their vintage predecessors (but few speakers in the world are, from all accounts). Reading between the lines (and remembering that this is a magazine article, where you can bet Yamaha pays some advertising dollars) he seems to be trying to make them as attractive as he can.

That said, they do sound (from the review) like very good speakers for the price, and I wouldn't mind hearing a pair. Assuming the review is accurate, it is nice to see any manufacturer today trying to make a genuinely good-sounding speaker, instead of cranking out the almost-rubbish I see and (unfortunately) hear at the Electronics Shows these days.

[Yamaha1]

The Soavo looks exquisite and not at all Made in China, Yamaha took great pains and made the speakers at the Piano factory in Indonesia as they did to the NS-HX and NS-200/300, too bad the only color coming is cherry and not piano black as that would have been heavenly, these speakers weigh close to NS-1000M and are well worth their price.

[Vint Age]

The Soavo looks exquisite and not at all Made in China, Yamaha took great pains and made the speakers at the Piano factory in Indonesia as they did to the NS-HX and NS-200/300, too bad the only color coming is cherry and not piano black as that would have been heavenly, these speakers weigh close to NS-1000M and are well worth their price.
Yes the Soavo's do look exquisite but I'm thinking you just can't beat them beryllium drivers for transparency in the 1000's so I'm gonna stick with what I've got which to me is pretty darn good.:yes: :D

[BroonsBane]

There is an excellent Yamaha dealer here in Thunder Bay, I've done lots of business with him over the years. I'm hoping that he'll get a pair of Soavo's in, I'll likely be able to home-demo a pair and compare them to my 1000M's. Here's hoping...

[Yamaha1]

We have a Yamaha dealer here as well, problem is he wouldn't let me audition them with my MX-1000 or MX-1, he shivers when he sees me with these two beasts, wonder what he would do if someone turns up with the MX-10000 ;) , he insists on running them with the Z-9 HT amp which is not too shabby in its own right but just won't be fair to compare then. He is supposed to be getting them by July, hopefully he will change his mind by then, I am also interested in the Soavo front firing sub and how it would compare to my YST-SW800.

If you read the report thoroughly, David Price still praises his darling NS-1000 for the ultimate high end, but in overall terms, Soavo has achieved the near impossible, that is to approach a neutral transparent sound without the use of exotic material, also unlike the NS-1000, the Soavos don't need any warm up time, but the ultimate title still rests with NS-1000 as per the report.

[BroonsBane]

If he won't let me bring a pair home he'd definitely let me bring my M-85 down to drive them in store. I'm going to go talk to him tomorrow.

[Yamaha1]

Great keep us updated BroonsBane. ;)

[BroonsBane]

I will. I hope I don't have my hopes up for nothing and he isn't even planning on bringing them in!

[Vint Age]

There is an excellent Yamaha dealer here in Thunder Bay, I've done lots of business with him over the years. I'm hoping that he'll get a pair of Soavo's in, I'll likely be able to home-demo a pair and compare them to my 1000M's. Here's hoping...

Some people have all the luck!:D

30 years ago I did warrany repairs for the leading audio store here in my community. We serviced them all in those days. Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer ... Got see and hear lots of great gear but I had a bunch of kids to feed so all I could do was look, listen, and fix. That's where I heard my first NS-1000's and it was love at first listen.:music:

[Yamaha1]

VintAge,

I heard the NS-1000 hooked to a MX-1000 amp first time in a musician's house who had humbly invited me to have a look at his so called low end system, that time, I had a Krell KSA-150 coupled to Martin Logan Quests, was mighty proud of my big bucks esoteric high end system, was young so stupidity and ego was also a major contributor. Within 15 minutes, I was in love, within an hour, I had decided to sell all my system off and so I did, the best stroke of luck was I managed to find myself a in the box NS-1000x to start, the MX-1000 was already available, so was the exquisite but lower wattage MX-2000, gave both of them thorough audition, the MX-2000 was not brutal like the 1000, but sadly due to lower power rating, it also lacked authority to drive the carbon fiber 1000x woofers, so it was MX-1000+CX-1000 pre and the dealer gave me a fantastic deal on the CDX-1050. :)

[Mark B]

Didn't mean to knock the Soavo's - just prefer the NS-1000's. Props to Yamaha for bringing out a quality new speaker.

[Yamaha1]

Yep, I fully understand Mark.B, I am not replacing my 1000x or M with Soavo, but would definitely sell my NS-300 and get these as replacements to supplement my collection.

[Cosmos]

I apologize if anyone read my previous post and misunderstood my intent. In my opinion, based on the pictures on the linked website, I don't think the soavos look expensive. In person, they might be gorgeous. Further, I would never throw them aside based on looks on a website/brochure without an audition. Again, the looks, depending on where a person installs them, may not matter that much and contrary to my impression of the pictures, they might look great.

I recently, for the first time, had a chance to live with some borrowed NS-1000XW speakers that I was thinking of buying based on their reputation. They were likely the most open sounding midrange/highs I have ever heard in a box speaker. The bass was tight, but also very weak. I decided not to buy them as I felt my present speakers outperformed them. However, the tempting part was their size/performance ratio. I think they'd be perfect for a smaller room.. like a bedroom etc.

Overall, given the size of NS-1000 series, they are a very remarkable speaker. I hope the Soavo comes close to the performance level set by the vintage models.

[Arkay]

I apologize if anyone read my previous post and misunderstood my intent. In my opinion, based on the pictures on the linked website, I don't think the soavos look expensive. In person, they might be gorgeous. Further, I would never throw them aside based on looks on a website/brochure without an audition.

Ditto -What he said! :D

While talking about these speakers but slightly off-topic, has anyone compared the sound of those beryllium tweeters to the Heil AMT's? Crossover issues with the Heils aside, I'd be curious to know how they compare. I'm a new Heil owner, but haven't heard those Yamaha tweeters yet (unless in another speaker).

[Yamaha1]

Never heard the NS-1000XW so can't comment on them but my NS-1000x has fantastic bass which goes with the best of the speakers including the latest ones. Whats awesome about 1000x/M bass is that its darn natural, no boominess, of course they need a high current huge power reserve amps like Yamaha's M/MX or MX-D to really come to their full potential.

[Vint Age]

VintAge,

I heard the NS-1000 hooked to a MX-1000 amp first time in a musician's house who had humbly invited me to have a look at his so called low end system, that time, I had a Krell KSA-150 coupled to Martin Logan Quests, was mighty proud of my big bucks esoteric high end system, was young so stupidity and ego was also a major contributor. Within 15 minutes, I was in love, within an hour, I had decided to sell all my system off and so I did, the best stroke of luck was I managed to find myself a in the box NS-1000x to start, the MX-1000 was already available, so was the exquisite but lower wattage MX-2000, gave both of them thorough audition, the MX-2000 was not brutal like the 1000, but sadly due to lower power rating, it also lacked authority to drive the carbon fiber 1000x woofers, so it was MX-1000+CX-1000 pre and the dealer gave me a fantastic deal on the CDX-1050. :)

Nice!::thmbsp:

[Vint Age]

Whats awesome about 1000x/M bass is that its darn natural, no boominess,
Exactly right!:yes:

[morksbeanbag]

So glad i've got a pair of NS-1000M's. One is now completed bar the tweeter. Anyway i've got lots of pics and questions that i'll post later. I'm amazed after all this time there is basically nothing out there to beat them.

I was wondering what centre would be a great match for my 1000's, maybe the Soavo 900c would be a good choice?

I see Yamaha have just launched a new Soavo model too the Soavo 2!

[Yamaha1]

For center you can consider the Soavo as well as Yamaha's older NS-300C.

[Yamaha B-2]

Hmmm.......twice the size and half the weight doesn't do it for the 'old school' me. My speakers have to weigh more than 75 pounds and amps more than 50. Weight = quality is as good a rule-of-thumb in stereo as anything (the best vintage rule-of-thumb is stick with Yamaha or Sony :thmbsp: ). I do like the accelerometer tests that JA applies in his speaker reviews. Tells a great deal about cabinet design/quality. Being an old fart, I'll just stay with the NS-1000.

[morksbeanbag]

For center you can consider the Soavo as well as Yamaha's older NS-300C.

I thought about the NS-300 as a match for the NS-1000's, i saw a mint one on ebay and it went for £15. I missed it as i was busy making pasta and pesto. £15....can't beleive it.

I went to the cinema in town about 2 weeks ago to see '300' (the film was awful) and i realised how important it is to have a really good centre speaker that can properly reproduce bass tones. Thats why i was after the NS-C300, i've had one before but sold it to use my B&W. The LCR60 S3 is a good speaker but its just too small for such a crucial speaker in the setup.

Oh yeah....i've finally managed to buy a DSP-AZ1 (RX-Z1 in the U.S), i've wanted one of those for years. Finally got one:banana: Should arrive soon. I'll get it cleaned up and get plenty of innards photos sent in.

Anyone want to see my refurbed NS-1000M crossover?

[BroonsBane]

Anyone want to see my refurbed NS-1000M crossover?

Sure, we love to see Yamaha anything :)

While I'm not planning on rushing out to sell my 1000M's and replace them with the Soavo's I'm very very curious to hear what Yamaha's new TOTL speaker sounds like. I never made it in to my dealer yesterday but I'm hoping to today.

[Yamaha1]

15 pounds for NS-300 is the steal of the century, even if they are not working or need repair, the cabinets alone are worth a lot, so are the Indian pearl mica injected polymer drivers and the smooth silk dome tweeter.

[Yamaha1]

By the way, anyone having doubts about so called cheap Made in China finish of Soavo can take rest in the fact that its the same material used in their grand pianos gracing many famous concert halls and also musicians world wide.

[morksbeanbag]

Here's a couple of pics.

I changed out the old electrolytic bass caps with new SCR and wilmslow supersound polypropylene caps, the old ones were both 47uF 50v making 94uF. I used a 39uF, 51uF and 4uF giving the same rating but with much higher voltage capability. The electrolytics i took out felt light, usually a sign they are dry.

All wiring was swapped out for flexible Gale OFC cable. The wiring for the midrange cap bank was replaced (the old stuff had started to corrode. I replaced this with laquered copper wire with the laquer scraped back only where needed. The large caps were held down with cable ties. The tweeter 2.7uF was moved to the underneath of the board as it wouldn't fit on top, the thin old linking wire connecting the tweeter signal across the board was replaced with a chunkier copper bus bar stolen from an RX-V800 power amp board.

The evil springclips were replaced with some good binding posts from a pair of Eltax symphony 8.2 speakers. No plastic parts on them.

Any loose peices of potential holes out to the back (near the binding post board) was covered with epoxy resin to seal everything.

The L-pads were given a good polish and clean.

For the time being i'm using some eltax tweeter units (again stolen from the 8.2'S in the loft) until i've made some speaker stands out of steel for them. After that al i need to do is order some tweeters (hope glenn is still ok with that) and they'll be ready.

I'm working on grilles at the moment but they're not a pressing issue at all.

What do you all think?

[BroonsBane]

Looks great! So when are you free to up here and do mine?

[morksbeanbag]

Ontario? Thats quite a few thousand miles away i think.

If you can use a screwdriver, pliers and a soldering iron/solder sucker then i'll happily do a step by step procedure.

[BroonsBane]

Just a hop skip and a jump then :)
I'm afraid my technical skills are very much lacking, I appreciate the offer though :thmbsp:

[Yamaha B-2]

Nice work! :thmbsp:

How did you manage to pull out the six (6) parallel caps on the right of your first picture out of their sockets? I was afraid of breaking the plastic when I tried. But will eventually get around to it.

I used 14ga DHLabs to rewire the set that wajobu has. Was very happy with the results. Changed out the terminals to the cheapies that PE sells, but are better than the horrible things that are stock. Just have to do the NS-1000 I now listen to.

No problem on the tweets. Just give me a shout when the time is right.

[morksbeanbag]

Nice work! :thmbsp:

How did you manage to pull out the six (6) parallel caps on the right of your first picture out of their sockets? I was afraid of breaking the plastic when I tried. But will eventually get around to it.

I used 14ga DHLabs to rewire the set that wajobu has. Was very happy with the results. Changed out the terminals to the cheapies that PE sells, but are better than the horrible things that are stock. Just have to do the NS-1000 I now listen to.

No problem on the tweets. Just give me a shout when the time is right.

Hi Glenn, i want to get them on stands first. I'll get those started this weekend, but i no intention of leaving the eltax units there at all, i'm aware this speaker needs to original units, do they come as a matched pair or in singles?

As for the 6 midrange caps, i didn't take them out. There is no need to, they are metallized paper, no reason for them to degrade at all, and they are made by nichicon too, they should be fine, all i changed for that section was the wiring connecting the 6 caps to the circuit board. I was going to hardwire the components but the more i looked at the circuit board i thought it really wasn't worth it, the circuit board has fairly thick wide tracks, alot better than many used even now. I'm using a 30 watt cambridge audio amp at the moment with them on the floor, this cambridge just doesn't seem to have any balls. I'll enquire at work tommorow where the main outputs for my B-2x have got to.

[the-real-mandak]

Regarding the Soavo they seem interesting, now we just have to wait until they get vintage and we can get them cheep :)

[Vint Age]

What do you all think?
Great job! Makes me want to go and do likewise.:thmbsp: :yes: :D

[Yamaha B-2]

The tweeters are sold individually. Last I checked they were holding firm at $111. But currency flucuations will change that.

Am guessing you will hear a nice change once they are off the floor. Even on a six inch stack of books (like my brother's are) makes a noticeable improvement. Am also guessing you will hear a great improvement with the B-2x. Which, BTW, I thought you had up and running. I must not be paying attention.

[avionic]

Well..Poop. I guess I'm going to have to sell my babys for the down payment................................NOT!!!!!


Dave

[Yamaha1]

Regarding the Soavo they seem interesting, now we just have to wait until they get vintage and we can get them cheep :)

:tresbon: :D

Well said the-real-mandak, at least for the coming generations, they would still keep the Yamaha name up there.

[avionic]

morksbeanbag I changed out the old electrolytic bass caps with new SCR and wilmslow supersound polypropylene caps, the old ones were both 47uF 50v making 94uF. I used a 39uF, 51uF and 4uF giving the same rating but with much higher voltage capability. The electrolytics i took out felt light, usually a sign they are dry.

All wiring was swapped out for flexible Gale OFC cable. The wiring for the midrange cap bank was replaced (the old stuff had started to corrode. I replaced this with laquered copper wire with the laquer scraped back only where needed. The large caps were held down with cable ties. The tweeter 2.7uF was moved to the underneath of the board as it wouldn't fit on top, the thin old linking wire connecting the tweeter signal across the board was replaced with a chunkier copper bus bar stolen from an RX-V800 power amp board.

The evil springclips were replaced with some good binding posts from a pair of Eltax symphony 8.2 speakers. No plastic parts on them.

Any loose peices of potential holes out to the back (near the binding post board) was covered with epoxy resin to seal everything.

The L-pads were given a good polish and clean.


I'd be real curious to hear about the final sound test once you get a replacement OEM tweeter.Know anyone who might need a Left side NS-1000M cabinet..Ive got one just collecting dust.:scratch2:

Dave

[morksbeanbag]

If i was in the U.S i'd have it to make a NS-1000M centre out of. I think to ship it to the U.K would cost a hell of alot though.

I haven't got the B-2x ready yet. I'm changing out all the pre drivers and main outputs with modern Sanken units, i've got the pre drivers and the replacement transistors dotted around the board, i've two more transistors to replace and the main outputs to get in then they're ready to fire up. I'm really hoping my DSP-AZ1 comes today, i'll be using the B-2x for the NS-1000M's though, hoping to run the pre out of the center to the main L/R in on the AZ1 so i can bi amp the centre, then run the rear centre pre out to the spare center in amp so i can have seperate amps for two center rears.

[Yamaha1]

As an ex owner of the DSP-AZ1, I can tell you that you will love this amp, it may have been made for HT, but Yamaha gave it a heart and soul of music, something they took away from the Z-9 which got into the power bragging match, I currently have the Z-9 and even thoug it kills my Z-1 on movies, somehow, while doing so, it lost the sweetness and musicality of the Z-1, thanfully my stereo system is separate from my HT, or else I would be selling off my Z-9 and buying back the Z-1.

[morksbeanbag]

For music i have the choice of C-2x into B-2x into NS-1000M, or AZ1 into B-2x into NS-1000M.

I know the C-2x will be a better pre amp but amp considering selling it simply because i don't want two pre amps in one system.

[avionic]

Know anyone who might need a Left side NS-1000M cabinet..Ive got one just collecting dust.


Sold cabinet to AKer

[morksbeanbag]

Just completed building my monster NS-1000M stands, VERY pleased indeed with them. Smart and extremely solid, massive overkill on build quality but i like that kind of thing.

Pics to follow of these!

The cabinets, crossovers, wiring and stands are now done.....must be time for some proper tweeters then! :banana:

[BroonsBane]

I can't wait to see the pics of your stands. I've been looking for stands for mine for ages...they are on milk crates as we speak :thumbsdn:

[morksbeanbag]

Hi ALL,

right here are the pics of my custom made NS-1000M stands.

Hope you like them. I used 90mmx90mm meranti hardwood section for the corners, 45x65mm meranti hardwood section for joining peices and 10mmx140mm monster coach screws to lock them together. Seems much beefier using a socket set to tighten them up rather than a screwdriver. :D

I did cut everything by hand, only used a saw, square, ruler, pencil and drill for making the entire lot. Easy once you get going.

You might think by looking at the pics i made them too deep for the NS-1000M's. That was done on purpose to accomodate the upcoming speaker grills without them hanging off the end if you see what i mean.

[BroonsBane]

Wow, those are beautiful, excellent job. I wish I had the skills to do that.
How high are they?

[basite]

just to correct all the $2000 stuff, it's £2000, which would make about €3000, which is about $3800...

they should better sound good for that price, but they look cheap.
I wonder if they'd ever make a sucessor for this:
http://www.thevintageknob.org/YAMAHA/GF1/GF1.html#

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[morksbeanbag]

Wow, those are beautiful, excellent job. I wish I had the skills to do that.
How high are they?

They're exactly 20cm at the moment, however i've got some chunky M8 spikes coming through for them, When they're fitted they'll be about 23cm i think.

The NS-1000M cabinets are 67cm, add the 23 and you get 90cm. Perfect height for my listening position.

Really appreciate the comments. All thats left to do is fit the spikes, a splodge of blue tack on each corner, new tweeters and grilles.

Think its been a couple of months since i bought them, hard work but worth it.

[BroonsBane]

You will be very very pleased once you get those beauties singing.

[Yamaha B-2]

just to correct all the $2000 stuff, it's £2000, which would make about €3000, which is about $3800...they should better sound good for that price, but they look cheap. Keep them spinning, Bert.Wonder what he said? Must be lost in the translation.

Nice work. You could drill holes in bottom of the corner posts and install spikes. Will allow you to tip them back just a bit, which helps when mounted low. And also locks them to the floor.

[BroonsBane]

Anybody interested in trading a really nice pair of milk crates for a pair of NS 1000M stands? :naughty:

[Yamaha B-2]

Anybody interested in trading a really nice pair of milk crates for a pair of NS 1000M stands? :naughty:Using these http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=240-748
Used these under the NS-1000Ms and now the NS-1000s w/NS-500s stacked on top.

Until I can get around to building a set of these:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/gpdavis2/NS-1000MStands.jpg

[wineslob]

There is an excellent Yamaha dealer here in Thunder Bay, I've done lots of business with him over the years. I'm hoping that he'll get a pair of Soavo's in, I'll likely be able to home-demo a pair and compare them to my 1000M's. Here's hoping...


I'd love to hear a first hand review! Even in Apogee land, the 1000M is well reguarded, even with it's small faults. :yes:

[BroonsBane]

I'd love to hear a first hand review! Even in Apogee land, the 1000M is well reguarded, even with it's small faults. :yes:

I still haven't made it in there but I think I may be able to this week. I really hope he has a pair :thmbsp:

[BroonsBane]

[QUOTE=Yamaha B-2]Using these http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=240-748Used these under the NS-1000Ms and now the NS-1000s w/NS-500s stacked on top.

I'm considering those but every time I go to that page they've gone up in price.

[morksbeanbag]

I doubt they'll ever come up with anything to beat the GF-1's. They were truly "a cost-no-object extravaganza". Nobody really makes anything like that anymore.

They're rarer than even NS-10000's i think. If you read more from that link you'll see that the drivers on the GF-1 are of much higher quality than even NS-1000/2000/10000.Not vapor deposited but forged pure beryllium!!!

I bet finding spares for those is tricky! :D

[morksbeanbag]

Wonder what he said? Must be lost in the translation.

Nice work. You could drill holes in bottom of the corner posts and install spikes. Will allow you to tip them back just a bit, which helps when mounted low. And also locks them to the floor.

Hi Glenn, yeah i ordered chunky M8 spikesthis morning in fact. I've already marked out the centre's of the undeneath of the posts. Should get them this week i hope. I'm wondering about maybe a set of spikes on the top too? Or should i just use blue tack?

[Yamaha B-2]

Depends on how much you like the bottom of your cabinets. Blue Tack works well for me.

I'm considering those but every time I go to that page they've gone up in price.c'mon. I bought mine over two years ago and they were $93. Can't believe you are being held up by a $10 price increase in two years.

[centaurus3200]

I'm sorry, I'm sure the soavo are very nice, but if Yamaha wanted to get back into the hi-fi game, why not go balls-out? don't they still make beryllium based speakers? what are they, the NS-10000? not sure.

anyway, introduce the soavo, but only as second to tier to an all out assault in the $5,000-$6,000 range with their famed beryllium drivers. take on Theil, vandersteen, von schweikart... head on.

just my .02,
Robby

[basite]

re-release the NS-1000 and make the GF-1 again, payable this time...

then yamaha would get back into highend, but then they should also start to build good amps again, not like the ht stuff they have now, something with balls...

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

[morksbeanbag]

I have observed that many audio enthusiast have allowed a certain device to impede their hifi systems, known as wifes as i far as i can tell they take avenue's of pleasure such as hifi and gradually close them off.

If Yamaha re launched the NS-1000M they wouldn't sell in the abundance they once did as women have found out that sound can come from slim small speakers....W.A.F?? So glad i'm not married.

I was thinking earlier about the Soavo series, what if they dumped the cone midrange and aluminium tweeter and used beryllium dome units instead. I'd be very interested in that.

Are NS-1000M nearfield monitors? I cannot hear deep bass in my listening position as its getting cancelled out! Up close they;re VERY punchy indeed sound awesome.....take a few steps back and the bass just dissapears!:tears:

I've had to switch the setting in my AZ1 to 'small' speakers for the NS-1000's. So anything below 90hz is sent to my SA-WX900. It sounds great but i just wanted to not have to involve the sub for stereo....especially with dual 12" woofers.

[Yamaha1]

re-release the NS-1000 and make the GF-1 again, payable this time...

then yamaha would get back into highend, but then they should also start to build good amps again, not like the ht stuff they have now, something with balls...

Keep them spinning,
Bert.

The Yamaha MX-D1 is 500Wx2 at 8ohms continuous, thats pretty gutsy for an amp that even had Stereophool mag ranting about it, they never did so with any previous Yamaha offerings sadly. The Soavo is no 1000, but its quite good as far as its contemporaries go, Ben raises a good point,dreaded WAF, both the NS-1000 or 10000 or GF-1 would have a hard time in today's neutered tin box satellite speakers, however if they do bring the 1000 and GF-1 back, I am sure there would be a huge line.

Ben, the NS-1000 fill my big room with phenomenal bass, but then I have them connected to the Yamaha MX-1000 amp which is known for superb dynamic low end bass. I have no need for subs with the 1000.

[morksbeanbag]

Its not a fault with the speakers or the amp, they are producing immensely punchy tight powerful bass with my DSP-AZ1. The problem is i can only hear that at certain points in the room. When i sit at the back of the room in my normal listening position, the low frequencies are being lost somehow.

Just got my M8 spikes for the stands so i'll try a little tilting, see if that helps.

[Teron]

It's nice to see the Soavo comes in 4 different finishes.

They're selling on ebay for less than half msrp, anyone ever get their hands on a pair?