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SpeakerLabFan
06-29-2007, 05:46 PM
I'm looking at a set of these speakers later this afternoon, and I'm interested in comments from anyone who is familiar with these speakers. Described as a 4-way system with 2 (very large) flat panels, a sub, and something called a motion controlled module, or active equalizer. From the limited information I can get on the web, these sound like a unique set of speakers. :music:

It sounds like these speakers like to have a bit of juice - described as very inefficient on the phase tek site. Any suggestions, caveats, things to look for? I've attached a couple of pics from the auction site. thanks. :thmbsp:

Sluggo
06-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Last winter Vitopanch posted this link and I saved it
http://www.kleines-kalb.com/html/speaker.html
A pair was listed on CL 4 months ago, so I tried to do some research
on them with little luck.
Anything Bob Carver was into draws my interest!

SpeakerLabFan
06-30-2007, 01:58 AM
Last winter Vitopanch posted this link and I saved it
http://www.kleines-kalb.com/html/speaker.html
A pair was listed on CL 4 months ago, so I tried to do some research
on them with little luck.
Anything Bob Carver was into draws my interest!

Thanks Mark! Those pictured at the link are exactly what I saw this afternoon, except these grilles are beige cloth. I had a chance to inspect the drivers in the panel and audition them with a couple of jazz tunes at moderate levels, and whoa these things are impressive. I thought I might be able to fit them in my hatch-back --- then I saw how big that sub-woofer unit is -- fat chance. Plus I didn't want to risk damaging them by stacking the 5'6" panels in my hatchback.

I'm going back tomorrow morning with my truck to pick them up! :banana::banana::banana:

I did pick-up the "audio control module" this afternoon:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/IMAGE_00440.jpg

Tom Brennan
06-30-2007, 09:01 AM
I remember those speakers, it's an interesting design and they sounded OK. He was trying to get the spacious sound of planar dipoles using conventional drivers but also with lower distortion and better dynamics.

SpeakerLabFan
06-30-2007, 09:36 AM
I got them for basically nothing, the seller just wanted to see them go to a good home. I'm looking forward to getting them into my living room alongside the Fortes, after arranging some furniture to make room. Here's a picture of the speakers:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/pl_IIIb.jpg

SpeakerLabFan
07-01-2007, 02:10 AM
Got them home, setup, and listened to some Ry Cooder, Brubeck, Pat Metheny LPs, and wow, sounds "nice" at all volume levels - lots of music all over the living room space and alot less directional than the Fortes. Using a Pioneer SX-1080 and they certainly want/take alot more of that amp than the Fortes.

It's nice having both of these speakers for A/B'ing in the living room. The sub-woofer unit has a nice flat surface which conveniently doubles as an area for my Record Doctor unit. Here's a picture:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/PL3.jpg

Vitopanch
07-01-2007, 02:22 AM
SpeakerLabFan,
Excellent score. They are tough to find, no doubt. I do not know of anyone that has heard them that is not enthralled. Very nice.

Vito

Sluggo
07-01-2007, 02:52 AM
Wow Dick,they look like their in good shape too!
Nice system pic and test music also,
Great score,Im happy for you!

SpeakerLabFan
07-01-2007, 11:22 AM
Thanks Vito and Mark. Yeah these are very cool speakers and in great shape too. Not everyday that you run into Phase Linear speakers.

The manual recommends placing the panels between 1 and 6 feet from a wall, the more distant from the wall, you get a more spatious stereo image. So I have some experimenting to do, and I suppose I can futz with the motion control module box for some fine tuning. Since these are from PL, of course they have an insane 350 watts RMS/channel max rating.

:guitar::music:

Here's a couple of shots of the upper-back of one of the panels:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/IMAGE_00448.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/IMAGE_00447.jpg

Sluggo
07-01-2007, 11:59 AM
Next AK Mini-meet at who's house!?!

totem
07-01-2007, 12:10 PM
Throw them in the car and bring them up across the border to Vancouver, I am sure we can get a few AKers together for a listen.

von.ah
07-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Those things are absolutely intriguing! Ol' Bob sure was the 'mad scientist' of audio in those days. I would love to get some listening time with some of his esoteric, against-the-grain offerings of the past... :D

Rat44
07-01-2007, 12:40 PM
Good score.Is your room large enough for those?

SpeakerLabFan
07-01-2007, 12:43 PM
Next AK Mini-meet at who's house!?!

Throw them in the car and bring them up across the border to Vancouver, I am sure we can get a few AKers together for a listen.

Yea, it would be fun to get the AK crew over for listening and grilling. I've got the house to myself when the kids aren't over too. Maybe sometime in August if not sooner. Heck, any weekend is good (after G sale hours :thmbsp:). C'mon down, just shoot me a PM or email, and be prepared to help sort vinyl. :smoke:

Totem, I think I've passed the point of no-return for throwing stuff in the car with these speakers, not to mention the K-horns but I will definitely plan to bring some representative Speakerlab speakers to the next gathering for listening. I wish I'd brought my Speakerlab 3's or super 7's to the AK gathering at Ricks last month. To my ears they hold their own in any setting. :music:

SpeakerLabFan
07-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Those things are absolutely intriguing! Ol' Bob sure was the 'mad scientist' of audio in those days. I would love to get some listening time with some of his esoteric, against-the-grain offerings of the past... :D

Yeah, notice how the tweeters (5 per side) are oriented vertically... weird looking too.

Good score.Is your room large enough for those?

Hi Dennis, they sound great - I have a high ceiling living room - but I bet they could use a bigger room. Is a room ever large enough? :smoke: You have to stop by for a listen when you're up this way.

Rat44
07-01-2007, 01:02 PM
By the way,the turntable works great.Still working out the grounding issue.

Ken Boyd
01-18-2010, 08:40 PM
I see this is a very old post but maybe your still out there. I am in the process of picking up one of these Phase Linear speaker systems, do you still have yours and are you pleased with them?

Bucky Badger
01-18-2010, 10:46 PM
Hi Ken, I have a few pairs and I think that you will like these very much. When placed properly they will fill a room with very nice sound. I won't speak for SpeakerLabFan, but I sure like mine. Did you get the 'motion control module' and Sub???

Ken Boyd
01-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Yes he said it includes the electronic motion control mod unit and the bass unit with the two 12 inch drivers. Said the panels were in very good shape. A few months ago I almost purchased a pair of the Carver Amazing Platnium speakers as I found them intriging but I held off. Other than a few pairs of the Yamaha NS speakers that I own I am a huge fan of the older Infinity speakers. I am skeptical that these speakers will sounds as good as my infinity speakers but they will be nice to go with my Phase Linear amp rack that I have assembled.

Bucky Badger
01-20-2010, 12:02 PM
These were Bob Carvers first speakers. He told me it took 1-2 years to R&D and midway through the production there was a name dispute so he changed the name to Phase III. I power my panels with a Phase Linear 400 amp and the sub with a Bedini BA801 amp. Pre amp. is a Carver C4000 and the system sounds great. I took a pair up to Wa. and met with Bob at Ritas Vintage Audio Repair. We took off the forward firing tweet and replaced it with one of Bobs CRM ribbon tweets. Very nice sound with crystal highs, well rounded mids and the sub will shake the floor with no distortion.
How they compare to the Amazings, They are kinda 2 dif. animals. It's like analog vs. digital.(to my ears anyway). Can you audition the speakers before you buy???? Do you have the room for them??? They need a bit more room around the panels than the Amazings do due to the upward firing tweets and the backward firing mid's. These speakers do like power(8 drivers/panel) so anything over 150wpc should be ok, if you can give them 350wpc( Phase Linear 700) I'm sure that they will love it. If you want me to check the manual and see what the min. wpc is I would be happy to.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Ken Boyd
01-20-2010, 06:36 PM
Thanks for the help, I have both 400 and 700 series II amps in my rack. Enclose pic of amp rack. I planned on using this rack to power a set of Infinity RS-1b's but I think I will use it for the Phase Linear speakers instead and work on building a Audio Research or Conrad Johnson rack for the Infinity speakers, most all I read is they sound better with tube amps on the mid-high panels and will use a pair of Mono Blocks for the bass towers. I really am looking forward to listening to the Phase Linear speakers. I have a home which I think they will work well in with pretty good size rooms.

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS959.jpg

Bucky Badger
01-25-2010, 02:48 AM
Wow, nice rack. Bet it sounds good. Did you get the speakers yet???

luckyed
01-25-2010, 03:31 AM
Thanks for the help, I have both 400 and 700 series II amps in my rack. Enclose pic of amp rack. I planned on using this rack to power a set of Infinity RS-1b's but I think I will use it for the Phase Linear speakers instead and work on building a Audio Research or Conrad Johnson rack for the Infinity speakers, most all I read is they sound better with tube amps on the mid-high panels and will use a pair of Mono Blocks for the bass towers. I really am looking forward to listening to the Phase Linear speakers. I have a home which I think they will work well in with pretty good size rooms.

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS959.jpg

Very impressive. What did you decide about the speakers?

Ken Boyd
01-25-2010, 08:31 PM
I purchased the speakers and have contracted with a shipper to ship them to me, I am awaiting them now it will probably be a week or two before I get them. The guy seemed real nice and he collects JBL so he is keeping eyes out for big Infinity's for me. He just contacted me about a friend with a pair of Kappa 5's, but I really am not interested in anything except the top of the line vintage models.

Bucky Badger
01-29-2010, 03:01 AM
Let us know when you get them from the sender. I would like to hear what you think about how they sound.

Ken Boyd
01-29-2010, 06:57 PM
I sure will, I talked to the shipper today and according to him I should be receiving them on Monday. I was wondering on the bass unit, since it is just one bass unit do you use a single mono block to drive it and put both channels into it, as I don't see why a 2 channel amp would be needed. That is one thing that make me unsure of as I would preferr to have two bass units, one for each channel located fairly close to the mid-hi panels. But from what I have read about the few who have owned these praised them for their great sound.

Bucky Badger
01-31-2010, 04:48 PM
Re. the bass unit. There are 2 channels coming into the sub and then 2 channels leaving the sub.(one for each panel) so you could use one amp to power the whole system. I chose to run one amp into the sub and one amp to power the panels. I have a Carver C4000 preamp that has 2 'main outs', just like your Phase linear pre amp so it's easy to bi-amp this speaker system.
Just think, within 24 hours you will have yours. :banana:

BankShot
01-31-2010, 07:15 PM
Hello fellow PL Andromeda III owners. I am new to this forum and just posted under the "Speakers" section. I have owned PL Andromeda IIIs since early 1977 and they are still going strong today and are used as my main speakers. I power them with an SAE P500 amp, 500 clean watts per channel and let me tell you, I have heard very few other high end speakers that sounded any better. A handful of very expensive ones with a lot more modern technology than went into this system are the ones I use to test it against. I for one will never sell mine and in fact am waiting now to purchase a used system sometime in Feb. My current bass module is being re-coned due to 33 years of hanging downwards and being used all during that time also. My plan is take the bass module from this used system and have it also re-coned, then wire in to my existing set. I have often wondered what running two bass modules would sound like in my fairly large listening room. The amp will handle the lowered impedance due to adding the addtional sub. Can hardly wait to get it all set up and running. To those of you who own this system you know what I am talking about when I say it has the ability to create a wall of sound and a sound stage with some real depth to it also. I do use a rear set of Paradigms to round out the overall sound but they are played using a separate amp and at a slightly lower level also so as to just add some reflected/ if you will, ambiance to the music. As I mentioned in my other post, Bob Carver was indeed way ahead of his time when he introduced this system and I firmly believe it capable of holding its own with many of todays much more expensive and esoteric speaker systems costing many, many times as much as this one did when it came on the market. That's my story and I am sticking to it, hope to hear some comments from a few of you who own this system. [TO KEN BOYD]above: You will need some power to run this system to where it will sound its best. It is power hungry and in the beginning I ran it using a single PL 400. It sucked the 400 dry so biamped the system and used a separate 400 for each channel. That worked fine until I got a great deal on my SAE P500. It gives these speakers some real breathing space and listening to the LA Philharmonic is like being there right in the center of the orchestra. Phenomenal sound coming from a speaker system that is going into its 34th year of operation...............

Regards, Terry

Ken Boyd
01-31-2010, 09:14 PM
Yes I am looking forward to getting them hopefully Tomorow! I am interested in seeing how they will compare to my Infinity systems. I have several amp racks but plan on using my Phase Linear rack I will bi amp them using the PL400 for the mid-hi panels and a PL700 for the bass unit. I am currently in the market for another PL700 for the rack and then I will use the PL400 for a set of rear speakers using my PL6000 audio delay to create a time delayed signal for the rear speakers.

BankShot
01-31-2010, 09:47 PM
Yes I am looking forward to getting them hopefully Tomorow! I am interested in seeing how they will compare to my Infinity systems. I have several amp racks but plan on using my Phase Linear rack I will bi amp them using the PL400 for the mid-hi panels and a PL700 for the bass unit. I am currently in the market for another PL700 for the rack and then I will use the PL400 for a set of rear speakers using my PL6000 audio delay to create a time delayed signal for the rear speakers.

Ken - Running the PL Andromeda IIIs as you noted will surely provide ample power for them to get up to speed and fill your listening room. As I mentioned prior, this system will suck small amps dry very quickly but when you can provide adequate power to them, they will, or should, amaze you with their sound stage and depth of sound stage, etc. The only speakers I ever auditioned that I have to admit did sound better was the Infinity IRS system of the 1980s. But the cost for that system back then was way out of my reach, as it was for most folks. Let me know what you think of them once you have had some time with them. It takes a bit of time to get use to them as they will sound different from just about anything you have every listened to prior. They have an electrostatic type of clarity in the mids and upper region and a bottom end that should also surprise you. That is if the woofers in the bass module haven't started sagging from age as mine did. If this is the case, let me know as there is a guy in Sacramento, CA that can repair them and put them back to new again for a fairly modest charge....

Enjoy them............Terry

SpeakerLabFan
02-01-2010, 01:59 AM
I see this is a very old post but maybe your still out there. I am in the process of picking up one of these Phase Linear speaker systems, do you still have yours and are you pleased with them?

Hi Ken and TSOQ (and OMMP), just catching up to the re-activation of this thread. nice to see fellow PL andromeda owners!

Yes, I still have my PL Andromedas and I think you'll know why when you get a chance to hear a pair. They are definitely keepers for me. I have them setup in an upstairs bedroom with a Mcintosh MC 2205 amp and Phase Linear Preamp and the Motion control module.

These speakers are pure heaven for me, I especially enjoy listening to CDs and uncompressed digital audio via USB using a Cambridge Audio DACMagic DAC unit.

Keep us posted on your setup.

Ken Boyd
02-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Ken - Running the PL Andromeda IIIs as you noted will surely provide ample power for them to get up to speed and fill your listening room. As I mentioned prior, this system will suck small amps dry very quickly but when you can provide adequate power to them, they will, or should, amaze you with their sound stage and depth of sound stage, etc. The only speakers I ever auditioned that I have to admit did sound better was the Infinity IRS system of the 1980s. But the cost for that system back then was way out of my reach, as it was for most folks. Let me know what you think of them once you have had some time with them. It takes a bit of time to get use to them as they will sound different from just about anything you have every listened to prior. They have an electrostatic type of clarity in the mids and upper region and a bottom end that should also surprise you. That is if the woofers in the bass module haven't started sagging from age as mine did. If this is the case, let me know as there is a guy in Sacramento, CA that can repair them and put them back to new again for a fairly modest charge....

Enjoy them............Terry

Well I don't have a pair of the IRS system but I do have a few pairs of the RS-1b's and a number of pairs of the Quantum Line sources, both QLS-1's and QLS-2's, which in my opinion are very good sounding.

SpeakerLabFan
02-01-2010, 04:05 PM
I took a pair up to Wa. and met with Bob at Ritas Vintage Audio Repair. We took off the forward firing tweet and replaced it with one of Bobs CRM ribbon tweets. Very nice sound with crystal highs, well rounded mids and the sub will shake the floor with no distortion.
How they compare to the Amazings, They are kinda 2 dif. animals. It's like analog vs. digital.(to my ears anyway).

Wow, I met Bob Carver at Ritas repair shop last year also, but it's incredible to hear that he spent time with you on these speakers. Talk about going to the source!

I agree - Amazings and Andromedas are very different beasts other than the fact that they demand lots of amplifier power. One difference - I've found the Andromedas to be a bit more room friendly, i.e. they fill the room and have a huge sweet spot where the Amazings are narrower, nothing like Magnaplanars but you need to find the best listening spot with them.

Re. the bass unit. There are 2 channels coming into the sub and then 2 channels leaving the sub.(one for each panel) so you could use one amp to power the whole system. I chose to run one amp into the sub and one amp to power the panels. I have a Carver C4000 preamp that has 2 'main outs', just like your Phase linear pre amp so it's easy to bi-amp this speaker system.


I tried this configuration - in this case I think you are going full-range to the panels (and the sub module) with each amp, because you are not using the crossover built-in the submodule. right?

I found I liked better with one amp going into the submodule and then split the mid/highs out to the panels via the xovers and the motion control unit (currently using a 200 WPC Mcintosh MC 2205). Either way, I think these are really thrilling speakers and I agree with the characterizations of their sound that you guys are making here. enjoy.

Bucky Badger
02-01-2010, 04:38 PM
Hi SpeakLabFan, Ken and TSOQ. You are correct that I am going with an amp to the sub and an amp to the panels. The motion control module is in the 'external processor' loop on the pre amp. Maybe I am wrong but I figured that each panel has it's own crossover as does the sub. So the correct signals are still getting to the correct individual drivers. Am I wrong???
Going to go pick up another pair of these this afternoon. Found locally on CL. This will make my 4th pair,(3 working and one for parts).... Guess I like them a little to much and will probably have to sell a pair to keep the wife happy.
Hope your speakers arrived safely Ken. We are all on pins and needles waiting to hear what you think.

SpeakerLabFan
02-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Hi SpeakLabFan, Ken and TSOQ. You are correct that I am going with an amp to the sub and an amp to the panels. The motion control module is in the 'external processor' loop on the pre amp. Maybe I am wrong but I figured that each panel has it's own crossover as does the sub. So the correct signals are still getting to the correct individual drivers. Am I wrong???
Going to go pick up another pair of these this afternoon. Found locally on CL. This will make my 4th pair,(3 working and one for parts)....

I don't recall what I saw on the panels and I don't pull the grills off very often - those things are heavy, have to use care not to scrape the upfiring tweeter cones when removing. I'd be interested to find out. :scratch2: The Service Manual would have this.

Did you run it by Bob? What about Bob? :scratch2: :D

You found another local pair? Wow. I hope they're in good shape. The ones I've seen locally have usually been trashed and/or panels only, subwoofer only. :tears:

It would be cool if you are going to the Kelso AK gathering in April and could bring your pair...? (not easy to move though)

Ken Boyd
02-01-2010, 05:40 PM
I was thinking of using an active crossover on my pair, come out of the pre and go into the active crossover, set my crossover frequency and then go to the main amps, but if I did that I might be defeating the purpose of the electronic motion control. Until I get them I really don't know what the best way to run them. I can't beleive that bi amping them with a pair of the Phase Linear 700 II would not be plenty of power for them, its not like I want to ruin my ears. I would think a single PL 700 would be more then enough. I guess unlike my RS-1b's these are not required to be bi-amped? On my RS-1b's it requires the use of a pair of 2 channel amps one pair of the mid-hi panels and one for the bass towers.

Ken Boyd
02-01-2010, 06:08 PM
Oh by the way the shipper didn't make it here today, he was in North Carolina but said he would be in Georgia tonight and be here tomorrow. Thats just fine as it was raining here in Florida today and hopefully it will be over by tonight so tomorrow I won't have to worry about the humidity when I unload them.

Susurus
02-01-2010, 07:56 PM
:lurk:

Wow and double wow.

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 01:52 PM
SpeakerLabFan, I did run my setup by Bob and he said that that would work just fine...... and it does.
My wife will be just finishing Chemo and Rad treatments around the time of the next gathering in Kelso so I will have to see how things are going, but if I can make it I will bring the modified Phase III panels. It would be good to put faces with the names and meet some of you guys.
Ken, did they come yet ???????

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 03:42 PM
Well they are here, everything looks to be in real good shape, a few minor pencil size holes in the grills, and as he stated the mids in the panels foam is looking like it won't last long. All the plastic cones on the hi frequency drivers appear in good shape, one of the cones on the bass speakers looks like it is slightly sagging compared to the other one, and a coil winding has come loose from the panel, wire is still attached but the glue which held it gave way. Wood is in very good shape on both the panels and the bass unit. I probably won't get a chance to hook them up until the weekend to test them out, but I need to find a source for some foams for the mids.

I have a question as to where the motion controller lies in the system. Does the motion, and what is the best way to wire this system if I want to bi-amp them. I suspect that you put the motion controller between the pre-amp and the amp. So if you want to bi amp it do you use a splitter in the RCA output of the motion controller and then use the two outputs of the splitter to feed to power amps, one for the bass modual and one for the mid-hi panels? Would it be possible to come out of the motion controller's output and go into a active crossover and then to a pair of amps? I don't want to defeat the purpose of the motion controller. Or would it be best to just use one hi current amp. I look forward to any help with this, thanks! Oh and when I get a chance I will post some pics

SpeakerLabFan
02-02-2010, 03:48 PM
Going to go pick up another pair of these this afternoon. Found locally on CL.

and....?

How did things pan out yesterday? I saw a listing for a pair in Gresham yesterday, thanks to a fwd from Susurus. Wow, I'd be all over those. I assume those were the ones you went after...?

SpeakerLabFan, I did run my setup by Bob and he said that that would work just fine...... and it does.
My wife will be just finishing Chemo and Rad treatments around the time of the next gathering in Kelso so I will have to see how things are going, but if I can make it I will bring the modified Phase III panels. It would be good to put faces with the names and meet some of you guys.
Ken, did they come yet ???????

I hope everything goes well with the treatments, thanks for sharing and you're in my thoughts. and I do hope you can make it - would be good to meet and see those Panels. :thmbsp:

Good to hear that setup has Bob's approval. I used to power the sub separately with a Carver cube amp. Right now I'm happy w/ the big Mcintosh running everything. I listened to the Andromedas last night, and was as usual totally blown away. I listened to Linda Ronstadt/EmmyLou Harris doing a Leonard Cohen tune - Sisters Of Mercy. :music:

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 04:05 PM
I find that the easiest way to bi amp them is to come off or your PL pre amp's 2 'main out' connections. If your pre amp has an 'external processor' loop like my Carver C4000 you can connect the motion controller into that. With an active crossover in the loop I am guessing that the panels and sub's crossovers would have to be disabled. Maybe someone with a bit more edge-a-macation could answer this question. Glad you got them and they appear ok. Beware that the plastic dispersion cones. They are VERY fragile and replacements are tough to find.( if there are any to be had at all). I have been thinking about taking one of my cones into a shop and having a bunch made so that those of us who own these will have a source of replacements for the future.

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 04:12 PM
Hey SpeakLabFan, Yes those were the ones I picked up yesterday. The grills were kinda dirty but all surrounds look good. The side strips of wood are very nice. The sub has a few scratches but the top is very good. Overall a very nice score for 125.00. I'll bet that with your Mac powering that system she just sings some very sweet songs. Good choice of listening material BTW.
Thanks for the good thoughts. With the help and support of friends and the good Lord above, all will be well.
Thanks,
Dan

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 04:17 PM
I ran into that problem before trying to use an active crossover, as it didn't work to well without removal of the passive crossover. I thought that if I just limited the range in which each amp had to work and stay within the range of the frequency that they were driving that is would make it sound better, I was wrong. I think I will just for now try using one amp to run the whole system. I just sent off for the complete service manual on these which I am sure will included the recommended ways to use configure the components. Anyone have any ideas as to where I can find foams for the mids, possibly orange county speakers?

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 04:24 PM
I think that you are correct when you say that with an active crossover you can possibly get better sound by just sending the freq to the amp. and then out to the drivers directly. Doesn't your PL pre amp have 2 'main outs'???? as well as an external processor loop??

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 04:28 PM
Oh and hope everything goes well with your wife and her chemo treatments.

I wish I lived on the West Coast of the country, you all have a lot more good audio eqiupment over there than here (Florida). I would love to come and hear some other peoples set ups and listen to how they sound compared to my stuff. I had a hard time even finding a place that even sold new stuff (hi end) to compare equipment. I had to drive over an hour to Vero Beach to find the nearest dealer, he sold Mcintosh stuff, and even than it was a TV shop which mainly repaired TV's and they only had one small tube amp a MC275 with a small pair of speakers and they only had a consumer junk CD player as a source. They wanted 5 thousand for the amp, 5 thousand for the speakers, and they had a Mcintosh AVR as a preamp. They did have a nice home theater room but all the amps were gone except for one Mcintosh single channel which powered the sub. Seems the owner had taken all the rest to his house. They did offer to take me over to his house to listen to a good system, I declined. I can't find no one here that is very interested in this stuff, they all simply shake their heads when another truck pulls up with speakers or amps for me. I think all the retired people moving here sold their equipment before they moved here, and now they just walk the beaches, pick shells and wait to die. It really is a shame you would think they would enjoy sitting on their porches and watch the sunset and listen to some good music possible coffee, or wine. Oh well such is life.

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Yes my PL 4000 does, had a problem with that the other night seems like sometimes one channel drops out and you have to push a little on the rear RCA jack or tap on the top and then it kicks in. I got irratiated with it when I was trying to listen to some music that night, yanked it out and put in a different preamp, a mcintosh C28 so now my rack has a foriegn object in it!

I am watching for a new preamp as just so I have some time to tinker with the one I have. Looking for another PL 4000 or a Carver CT-4000, either one. There is one right now on ebay I am watching but I think the problem lies when they are shipped the banging around in the trucks and all. I had thought I had fixed it by resoldering the connections where the RCA's meet the main board, it worked for about 2 months and now is messig up again.

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 04:35 PM
Ken, a few of my surrounds on the 4" front and back facing drivers were also starting to go. Bob saw these surrounds and promptly took out a tube of clear silicone sealant and proceeded to spread it on the surrounds. Well what do you know, it worked. You will probably want to do a more final fix by getting new surrounds but for now and the near future, give this a try.

Bucky Badger
02-02-2010, 04:37 PM
And thanks for the well wishes.

SpeakerLabFan
02-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Hey SpeakLabFan, Yes those were the ones I picked up yesterday. The grills were kinda dirty but all surrounds look good. The side strips of wood are very nice. The sub has a few scratches but the top is very good. Overall a very nice score for 125.00.

:tresbon::thmbsp:

These just don't show up, especially in complete and restorable condition. Although you seem to have better than average luck with reeling these in.

I think it helps that these appear to be way off-the-radar for alot of hifi guys, and hard/near impossible to ship, so the flippers probably aren't interested.

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Well I just got a new preamp, a Carver C-4000, I think it will go ok with my rack and I can use it till I track down the problem in my PL-4000.

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 05:18 PM
I saw a pair of the Phase Linear III speakers on audio asylum list for sale and contacted the guy but it had already sold, just missed it. It was in Clovis CA and he only wanted a couple of hundred.

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 05:44 PM
:tresbon::thmbsp:

These just don't show up, especially in complete and restorable condition. Although you seem to have better than average luck with reeling these in.

I think it helps that these appear to be way off-the-radar for alot of hifi guys, and hard/near impossible to ship, so the flippers probably aren't interested.


Hate to vary off of the thread But I wondered Speaker Lab fan about a listing I came across for a pair of Speaker Lab Primas? Are they any good? They must be big as they are very heavy, and the orginal price from the Manufactor was pretty expensive, just wondering if they are real good and since they are electrostatics are they going to be real problems in the future or present if the panels go bad.

SpeakerLabFan
02-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Hate to vary off of the thread But I wondered Speaker Lab fan about a listing I came across for a pair of Speaker Lab Primas? Are they any good?

Sorry Ken - I've never heard of "Primas". My akname refers to the Speakerlab from the 70s staffed by long-haired hippies and putting out low-cost speaker kits with numbered names like "One" through "Seven", I started out w/ those kits. I know very little about the later stuff. You might start a new thread in the Speaker forum to see if anyone else has any background on these..?

Ken Boyd
02-02-2010, 07:37 PM
Thanks did that we will see what they have to say. The speakers are a very large electrostatic panel set, and weight 360 lbs with an orginal price of 7000 dollars so they were probably some high quality units. But I am concerned about reliablity.

BankShot
02-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Hey Guys -

Just posted over on the Speakers forum regarding my getting back my PL AIII bass module today. I won't go into a retarded redundancy here so if you are interested in how it all went, go check out that other forum. I will repeat just one word here...................WOW!!!

Regards to all.........Terry

BankShot
02-04-2010, 04:39 PM
I selfishly noticed that this thread was starting to get buried in the pages so decided to just make a few additional comments here so as to bring it back out onto the first page. Selfish you all may ask? Only because I figured that if it was back on the first page it just might grab the attention of a few other PLAIII owners that may have missed it on the first go around, and get some comments from them. I am still working on acquiring a used PLAIII system so I can try using two bass modules in my listening room. I have a fairly large room and I believe it will handle two of these "bottom-feeders" quite well..........

Regards to all............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-05-2010, 07:45 AM
Your probably right no that, as my Kappa 9's have two 12 bass drivers per side, and my RS-1b's have six 8 inch bass drivers per, and if you use an amp with a gain control just for the bass you can always use that to balance it out.

Ken Boyd
02-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Well today was the day, I pulled them from the warehouse and brought them home. Had to move some other speakers out of the way just so I could get them in a somewhat reasonable placement, pulled the shrinkwrap off of them, off came the grills, everything looks like it did pretty good in transport except, the one front firing small silk dome hi frequency driver which is mounted on a metal bracket is bent. All the plastic cones no problem. Dug out some wire and connected the base unit and then ran wires from the bass unit to the panels. Made the interconnects to the Motion Control unit, and crossed my fingers and fired up the amp rack.

I have to say, I am in total suprise as to how good they sound. First off, the small hi frequency driver which was bent during transport, is now dead. I will attempt to repair it but I am concerned the voice coil wire from the terminal to the voice coil is broken. But soundstage is amazing. I would have to say better than my QLS-1's or my RS-1b's. Its hard to give it a fair rating on the imaging as with the one hi drive out they don't sound quite as bright as my RS-1b's. I kind of lean a little toward them on the sound for violins and cello's but other than that I like these better. I really can't beleive it myself, base is great very tight and deep. I hope I can fix that tweeter or find another one. Everyone keep an eye out for me for a hi frequency driver, that would be the one center firing one that faces out to the front. I can tell right now I am going to love these. I will post some pics soon as soon as I can straighten out the mess so I won't be to embrassed. I thank all of you for your advice and honest opinions on these. I really didn't expect them to come near my big Infinity's to be honest, I was wrong, these might become my favorites.

BankShot
02-06-2010, 07:14 PM
Congrats on your new acquisition Ken. I think you will find yourself listening to this system a lot. It really does grow on you due to the overall natural sound it is capable of along with the impressive sound stage you can create with it, etc. Hope you can locate another tweeter to replace that broken one. There are a few other used sets floating around out there but unless they are in your area, it becomes a shipping problem with them due to their size, weight and fragility, etc. I am trying to get my hands on a used system currently and if I do I plan on using it as a spare system in case I lose any tweeter or mids, etc, in mine. If I can get hold of it, I will let you know and will give you a good deal on a couple of tweeters if you haven't found one by then. Take care, enjoy them and be glad you have them. Not bad for being over 30 years old huh?

Regards............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-06-2010, 08:24 PM
Congrats on your new acquisition Ken. I think you will find yourself listening to this system a lot. It really does grow on you due to the overall natural sound it is capable of along with the impressive sound stage you can create with it, etc. Hope you can locate another tweeter to replace that broken one. There are a few other used sets floating around out there but unless they are in your area, it becomes a shipping problem with them due to their size, weight and fragility, etc. I am trying to get my hands on a used system currently and if I do I plan on using it as a spare system in case I lose any tweeter or mids, etc, in mine. If I can get hold of it, I will let you know and will give you a good deal on a couple of tweeters if you haven't found one by then. Take care, enjoy them and be glad you have them. Not bad for being over 30 years old huh?

Regards............Terry

Stunning sound, I will try and fix the tweeter tonight. I might do what was mentioned before by someone here, try and get another pair and use an extra bass module and motion controller, if it don't work well I will still enjoy having an extra set. I can't wait to get them in my other house as it has much larger rooms and 11 foot high ceilings which I think will make them sound even better. I really don't know if it will matter other than I prefer the orginal to drop in any good quality hi frequency driver as the tweeter here is just for a line of sight projector of hi's. In fact a nice horn tweeter might be great little project to try out just for fun.

BankShot
02-06-2010, 08:32 PM
Hey Ken - That may have been me regarding using a second bass module as I mentioned doing just that in either this thread or another one in the "Speakers" forum. Anyway, this system will benefit from being in a larger room. It will tend to overpower a small room but in a big one you can literally create a huge soundstage by tweaking the motion control module and playing with placement, etc. I sure hope I can pick up this used system, I'm working on it now. I am really wanting to see how two bass modules would work together and what the "bottom line" will be. As mentioned before, ENJOY!!!

Regards, Terry

SpeakerLabFan
02-06-2010, 10:31 PM
Congratulations on your Andromedas. :music::music::music:

Sorry to hear about the shipping damage - I have to say that I'm not surprised as these panels are VERY fragile as TSOQ mentions, but it sounds like they got to you in decent shape overall.


I can tell right now I am going to love these. I will post some pics soon as soon as I can straighten out the mess so I won't be to embrassed. I thank all of you for your advice and honest opinions on these. I really didn't expect them to come near my big Infinity's to be honest, I was wrong, these might become my favorites.

:yes: It's a warm natural sound / concert realism isn't it? I think they will grow on you, as TSOQ says, and will benefit from that larger room with high ceilings (and as many WPCs as you can give them).

I love mine, and although they were relegated to secondary status and out of the main room by the spot-on precision of the JBL 4430 Studio Monitors, they are not forgotten.

On the damaged high frequency driver - I wonder if you might get some advice from AK member Ommp. He had the uber-cool experience of working with Bob Carver to install some CRM ribbon tweeters into a pair of his Andromedas - he mentions it in the other PL Andromeda thread in the Speakers forum: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=278681

Edit: I see that Ommp visited this thread as well and talks about the replacement forward-firing tweeter in post #20 above.

Good luck, keep us posted, looking forward to a picture!~

Ken Boyd
02-06-2010, 11:15 PM
Oh so sorry yes it was you Terry regarding adding an additional bass unit. As far as power, I have to say these seem more efficent than my Infinity's yet the manaul claims only 80 db at 1 watt/1 meter which is less than my Infinity's. One thing I am not to sure of is the stablity of the panels with those small metal feet, I wouldn't trust them in deep carpet, and they sure don't give you a feeling of confidence, I might work on making a better device for the panels. I have hard tile in this house but my other house has hard wood floors. I am not sure if mine are right, are the panels suppose to tilt back slightly, or should they be straight up? Mine tilt back a few degrees.

Left panel with grills off!

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS963-1.jpg

Right panels with grills off.

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS962-1.jpg

Left Panel close up!

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS965.jpg

Right channel close up!

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS964.jpg

I have the wood covers for the feet as well as all the grills in very clean condition even have the little metal plates that say Phase Linear. I just got my Service Manual in the mail today so I have everything regarding any service specs. Overall I think who ever owned these took pretty good care of them, other than they need a little dusting and some funiture polish on the wood trim.

Bucky Badger
02-07-2010, 04:55 AM
Hey Ken, and all you guys,:wave:
I have a spare soft dome tweet for you if you wish. I can also give you a copy of the schematic that Bob made me if you want to put in some of his CRM ribbons in place of the soft domes. He put an Lpad in the additional crossover for the ribbon so that you can dial in the amount of tweet you want.( Cool Huh). They sound a bit brighter than the original soft domes but in a large room with high ceilings they should sound great and really let those speakers sing. I also notice that with the ribbons the super high freqs. seem a bit more 'directional' and have a narrower vertical 'sweet spot', which I find to not sound as good in a small room. With the speakers tilted back as they are I find myself standing about 7-9 feet away to get the full benefit of the sweet spot. But, the ribbons are a bit more articulate and the sounds of a brush on the snare drum head or a nylon tip on a ride are right there.:yes:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-9783198-47.html

It's your choice. :scratch2::scratch2: It is kinda nice to have a pair that are unmolested and as Bob intended them to sound though.
Your panels look really good. The plastic cones look to be in good shape as well as the side rails and surrounds on the 4" drivers. All the pairs that I have seen do tilt back a bit and are stable on hard surfaces. Even with those small feet.(unless they have been bent back and forth and no longer hold their shape).
I don't need to tell you that you scored my friend.:thmbsp::thmbsp::thmbsp:
And have many more years of enjoyment to come.
PM me if you want to pick up that spare soft dome.
(no afil)

Ken Boyd
02-07-2010, 10:21 AM
Thanks very much, but I think I have my hands on a replacement will know in a day or two. That Carver Ribbon is basically the what looks like a Infinity EMIT, which is what I thought about trying out. It appears that Carver uses a metal foil where Infinity used a piece of Kapton plastic with a foil etched voice coil, but Infinity did use a much better magnet for the motor, I think that is why they stopped producing their drivers as their supply of magnets got to hard to find and to expensive.

BankShot
02-07-2010, 03:36 PM
Ken - Those panels look to be in pretty good overall shape other than that damaged tweeter you mentioned. You have the newer model with the forward facing lower tweeter. My set has the upward firing tweeter there with the diffuser cone as the other four are. I purposely faced my lower middle tweeter forward also several years ago and to my ears I preferred one tweeter firing forward. Guess that's probably why Bob did some changing around on them with his second edition. I may take the ribbon tweeter route someday and replace the forward firing one with one and see how it sounds. Kinda hate to mess with them tho as they are outstanding already and I believe in the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it". Time will tell where I go from here but right now all I do want to get my hands on that second bass module and give that go. I just finished playing the Titanic CD, the track with Celine Dion siging the title song. Those low notes really do come thru deep and very distinct once again so I am now going thru all my CDs trying to find a few others I remember as having some really deep bass. I feel like a kid with a new toy the day after Christmas, just can't put it away........................

Regards.............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-07-2010, 05:31 PM
I prefer Sarah Brightmans version over Celine Dions, I think its on Sarah Brightman's Eden CD, and also her video concert titled Eden. I recently went to her Sympony tour concert, it was outstanding. One of my favorite artist is a Japanese violinist, Ikuko Kawai, it is an import so its very hard to get anywhere except tru Amazon shipping out of Japan. She is great much better in my opinion than Vanessa Mae. Got my eyes on a pair of tweeters now for my panels, will let you know if I get them. I have a few pairs of EMIT's which are basically the same as Carvers ribbons. I wonder how much Carver charges for just a ribbon driver, I see those little speakers are not cheap at 800 dollars a piece, I only paid 400 for my complete Phase Linear III system. It cost me 200 dollars to get them shipped from Cinninattii to Florida. I use Uship.com its great for getting good rates on shipping. I use to love eBay Live auctions to buy antiques and used some special antique blanket wrap shippers and they were very expensive compared to Uship.com. I wish I knew about Uship.com when I was doing the Live auctions.

Ken Boyd
02-07-2010, 05:38 PM
Hey Ken, and all you guys,:wave:
I have a spare soft dome tweet for you if you wish. I can also give you a copy of the schematic that Bob made me if you want to put in some of his CRM ribbons in place of the soft domes. He put an Lpad in the additional crossover for the ribbon so that you can dial in the amount of tweet you want.( Cool Huh). They sound a bit brighter than the original soft domes but in a large room with high ceilings they should sound great and really let those speakers sing. I also notice that with the ribbons the super high freqs. seem a bit more 'directional' and have a narrower vertical 'sweet spot', which I find to not sound as good in a small room. With the speakers tilted back as they are I find myself standing about 7-9 feet away to get the full benefit of the sweet spot. But, the ribbons are a bit more articulate and the sounds of a brush on the snare drum head or a nylon tip on a ride are right there.:yes:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-9783198-47.html

It's your choice. :scratch2::scratch2: It is kinda nice to have a pair that are unmolested and as Bob intended them to sound though.
Your panels look really good. The plastic cones look to be in good shape as well as the side rails and surrounds on the 4" drivers. All the pairs that I have seen do tilt back a bit and are stable on hard surfaces. Even with those small feet.(unless they have been bent back and forth and no longer hold their shape).
I don't need to tell you that you scored my friend.:thmbsp::thmbsp::thmbsp:
And have many more years of enjoyment to come.
PM me if you want to pick up that spare soft dome.
(no afil)


Thanks very much for the offer on that spare hi dome, I will let you know if I need it in the future. I pulled of the face plate and diaphram and found the break in the voice coil wire should not be a problem for me.

BankShot
02-08-2010, 12:01 PM
I have never heard the Sarah Brightman version of the Titanic song. I like her voice a lot. Will have to find that CD and give it a listen. I plan on calling Rita's in WA today and finding out what it would cost to send my PL-4000 to them for repair. I want to get it running again and start using it in a second system I want to put together for old time sake. Wish now I had never sold that SAE MKV1 tuner but the money was just too good to turn down at the time. Anyway, as mentioned prior my next goal is to try and get my hands on that used PLAIII system and get that bass module into my existing system to see how it sounds, etc. I know I will have to have it re-coned first but at least I now have a local guy that can do the job correctly. Continued good listening to all..............

Terry

Ken Boyd
02-08-2010, 10:06 PM
I am keeping my sub unit on its side when not in use, I figure that might keep it from getting the sags as fast. I called Rita's a few days ago to see about repairing a PL 700 II that I have already diagnosed as having some bad output transistors, see said she had about a 50% sucess rate on repairing them and mimium cost for labor was 100 dollars and maximum of 350. Consider the weight and the cost of shipping both ways from Florida to Oregon I deceided to pass on sending it to her considering the cost just in shipping and the cost of her mimium cost. I have the service manual and their is a seller on eBay that sells a transistor kit just for the 700 I think I will take the gamble and order that and play electronic tech and try it myself. For the cost of her repairs and shipping both ways and taking a chance on damage I would rather just purchase another one. If I am unsucessful in repairing this one at least I have lots of spares. I am leaning towards the
700b anyway with the analog meters. Something about analog meters that I like better than the LED's anyway I have a large rack full of SAE and they are full of the LED's. I have tried a number of times to get some good deals on the 2500 and 2600 SAE amps with the orange analog meters and always get outbid.

One a side note I really enjoy Sarah Brightman she is great, my recommended pics are, "Harem", "Eden" "Luna Luna" and "Dive". Her new CD is also very good "Symphony", I have every CD of hers but those are my recommends.

Well, I better get going, I had a major crash on my main PC and am forced to use my Laptop and I am not very good with these Laptops.

BankShot
02-09-2010, 12:59 PM
To all who are following this thread and know about this system -

In your opinion, what do you feel a fair price would be for a complete system including the motion control module, all in good working order and not banged up or trashed, etc. I was just curious as most of you are by now aware, I am trying to pick up a used system that is supposedly in good shape but the owner hasn't been able to get it to work. I want very much to get this one but don't want to pay too much or to get it home and then find out several drivers are gone or a crossover has stopped working, etc. I saw a complete system on an auction site several months back that appeared to be in super condition from the picture shown, but it was stated that it had not been played in years and nobody was able to get it working so it was "buy as is". The expected final bid was supposedly going to be between $800 and $1,000. I did a quick calculation of what $1.349 in 1977 dollars would be today and it came out to $4,792 in 2008 dollars, the latest year for calculation on this particular site.....

So what do you guys and gals feel about a fair market price...........???

Regards to all............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-09-2010, 01:57 PM
I paid 400 for my pair, and their was a pair just a week ago in CA, on Audioaysulm which were for sale for 350 obo. I also saw a pair of them from a guy in LA and he has a reputation for being high and he was asking 800 for his pair. But I have seen other pairs for as high as 1200. I do not pay to high a price for anything because for one thing I have no less than 10 pairs of monster systems, and the last thing I really need is another pair of speakers. But when they come which is quite ofter (not Phase Linear III's) speakers that is and they are very reasonable I have a hard time resisting them. I am at a point I roatate them around into my listening area just so I can enjoy them. I have two pairs of Yamaha NS 1000m's that are basically in a room that I have made into storage just because I have so many other sets of big Infinitlys that I like better. Not to mention a few pairs of NS500m's. What I really am on the look out for a pair of hi power tube amps, at a reasonable price, if that is possible. I really am shooting myself in the foot for not picking up a pair of big Conrad Johnson tube amps for a few thousand dollars. I also have seen several pairs of the Carver Amazing speaker systems go rather inexpensively one very clean pair for 650, almost purchased them but where would they go? But I do think that a good pair of Phase Linear III's are a great bargin considering how well they sound, and considering how few I see for sale. If I wanted a pair of good speakers and didn't have a bunch of pairs I would not mind paying 1000 for a pair in good shape, I think they are more than worth that price.

BankShot
02-09-2010, 02:15 PM
Thanks for the input Ken. Basically my feelings go this way also. At one time I was contemplating shelling out some big money for the top of the line Martin Logans along with the Descent i subwoofer but after adding it all up decided against spending that much for a system that really didn't outperform what I had by all that much if any when you got right down to some good listening time with them. Great system to be sure but also some pretty good coin just to have an up to date speaker system sitting there looking at you, etc. I am going to remain positive that I will eventually run across another PLAIII system in good condition and be able to buy it at a reasonable price. I've seen the few systems I have run across in past years running the gamut from $300 to around $1,200 as you mentioned but to me it's much akin to buying a collector automobile. You pay big bucks for the ones in top shape and can buy one that is in need of expensive repairs for very little sometimes. Right now I am so pleased with how mine is sounding again with the newly re-coned bass module I am not getting enough "lightleak checks" of my eyelids due to spending so much time enjoying my CD collection all over again..............

Regards..............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-09-2010, 07:47 PM
I am sure a great deal will come your way its just a matter of time. The problem lies in to many great deals come by and I sometimes need a little restraint. By the way I just puchased a pair of those soft dome tweeters for the PL III's. They were on the ebay auction a couple of people bidding and a few tried to swipe it at the last second but I got a pair fo 52 dollars, so now I have one for my panel and a spare.

BankShot
02-09-2010, 10:08 PM
I am sure a great deal will come your way its just a matter of time. The problem lies in to many great deals come by and I sometimes need a little restraint. By the way I just puchased a pair of those soft dome tweeters for the PL III's. They were on the ebay auction a couple of people bidding and a few tried to swipe it at the last second but I got a pair fo 52 dollars, so now I have one for my panel and a spare.

Great snag on those two soft domes. I called Ritas the other day and talked with her about sending my PL-4000 up for a bench check and repairs and she basically gave me the same costs she did you. A PL-4000 doesn't weight that much and I live in No. Calif. so shipping won't break the piggy bank if I do send it to her. I would like to get it working again if she can fix it for a reasonable amount. Anyway, that's not my main priority right, obtaining that second system is, and that is where I'm concentrating my efforts at this time. BTW, if you want to really feel your bass module do its thing, grab a copy of the first Big & Rich CD called "Horse of a Different Color" and give track one Rollin', a listen. I'm not big into country but this particular cut has a couple of bars that are meant to bleep out a cuss word and they do it with a huge very low bass note that should put any subwoofer into overdrive. You should be able to feel some air moving in your room on that one...........

Regards............Terry

Ken Boyd
02-09-2010, 10:57 PM
I will check out that horse of a different color CD, though country is not often listened to here. I do have a copy of Tchaikovsky's 1812 with the cannon fire on it, you gotta be careful of the volume on that I think you could pop your bass cone right out of the basket if you had it to loud.

Bucky Badger
02-10-2010, 01:54 AM
Good job with the tweets Ken. It's always good to have a spare laying around just in case. And, I will give "Horse" a listen.(Thanks TSOQ). I don't listen to country much but can appreciate a good song and bass/drum/banjo/horn line no matter the genre.
There is a tech that I have used in the past to 'tune up' my Carver C4000 and PL 400 amp. He is local (Portland), and does good work. His name is Roland and can be reached here.
http://carveraudiorepair.com/
(no afil)
Call them and see if they are any cheaper than Rita. They do good work.
(again, no afil)
I still think that one of the best CD's to listen to on a 'tuned in' pair of Andromedas or PL III's is Diana Kralls 'Live in Paris', or her version of "Peel Me A Grape" on the 'Love Scenes' CD. That will put a smile on your face :thmbsp:
I have also used the song " Church" by Lyle Lovett on his ' Joshua Judges Ruth' cd to 'sound in' my Andromedas and PL III's. There are not to many speakers out there that can put out that quality of sound stage on that song. And these speakers do.

BankShot
02-10-2010, 04:49 AM
Ken - I have a couple of versions of the 1812 Overture, my favorite is by the LA Phil recorded at Royce Hall at UCLA and accompanied by a parade of Herald Trumpets and a whole bunch of military cannons. When those puppies go off it really shakes the house.................

Ommp - Will check with Roland prior to sending my PL 4000 anywhere, thanks for the tip. Will also check out those CDs you mentioned. One more for you guys is the Nils Lofgren "ACCOUSTIC LIVE" CD. The cut "Keith Don't Go" sounds incredible when played thru the Andromedas. Excellent recording also.............

I just finished another four hour session and I have to say that after 33 years of listening to these speakers, I am still taken aback by the wonderful sound stage they are capable of conveying and the overall transparency they are so capable of producing. I have several CDs of small jazz groups, sax, piano, drums, guitar, etc., and they sound like they are right there in the room live, with space around each instrument. For their age they have got to be one of the most impressive speakers out there IMHO. Of course I am considerably biased on that account...................

Got to get some shuteye, more next time...........Terry

Ken Boyd
02-12-2010, 06:35 PM
Hi everyone, I am wondering about another pair of speakers Carver Amazing Plaitnums, and Carver Silver 9t amps, has anyone heard them and what is your opinions of them? I looked as some reveiws of them and they were very mixed, some loved them and others said they were terrible. They were very critical of the amps and the magazines were very critical of the speakers like they were projects of which were not finished items and not realible.

TNRabbit
02-17-2010, 12:35 PM
The Silver 9t amps were MADE for the Amazing speakers. Get yourself to CarverFest 2010 in hear for yourself~

harleyrider
02-18-2010, 05:51 PM
I have this old Module from the late 70s , it was from my cousins set as you have pictured. Very nice as i can remeber, yours looks great and i bet they sound even better.:music:

BankShot
02-18-2010, 06:09 PM
I have this old Module from the late 70s , it was from my cousins set as you have pictured. Very nice as i can remeber, yours looks great and i bet they sound even better.:music:

HarleyRider - Are you wanting to sell your module by chance. If so let me know how much you want for it.................

Thanks.........Terry

PS: I ride an '07 Deuce and just got back a short while ago from a great ride.............

Ken Boyd
02-19-2010, 10:46 PM
I don't need to go all that far to listen to them, the guy invited me over to audition them, I am trying to break my leg to keep from going over there and listening to them as the last thing I need is another pair of big speakers! And thanks for the link to the Carver repair site, I will contact them about my PL 700 II amp and I am having a problem with my PL 4000 II preamp. I had to purchase another preamp for the time being, I found a good deal on a Carver CT-4000 preamp, and it sounds very good, it just doesn't quite match all my old Phase Linear silver faced stuff. I only pair 200 dollars for it and its very clean, I can't beleive I got it for that price to be honest with you. I figured I would have to pay at least double that.

Ken Boyd
02-20-2010, 09:53 PM
Good job with the tweets Ken. It's always good to have a spare laying around just in case. And, I will give "Horse" a listen.(Thanks TSOQ). I don't listen to country much but can appreciate a good song and bass/drum/banjo/horn line no matter the genre.
There is a tech that I have used in the past to 'tune up' my Carver C4000 and PL 400 amp. He is local (Portland), and does good work. His name is Roland and can be reached here.
http://carveraudiorepair.com/
(no afil)
Call them and see if they are any cheaper than Rita. They do good work.
(again, no afil)
I still think that one of the best CD's to listen to on a 'tuned in' pair of Andromedas or PL III's is Diana Kralls 'Live in Paris', or her version of "Peel Me A Grape" on the 'Love Scenes' CD. That will put a smile on your face :thmbsp:
I have also used the song " Church" by Lyle Lovett on his ' Joshua Judges Ruth' cd to 'sound in' my Andromedas and PL III's. There are not to many speakers out there that can put out that quality of sound stage on that song. And these speakers do.

I contacted them today and I was happy with the tech's attitudes and answers, seemed very capable. I will box up an amp that I am having problems with and send it to them. They also claimed that they would have no problems fixing some of my SAE gear. Maybe they can fix my SAE A class.
Thanks very much for the link!

waynedb
05-18-2010, 10:46 PM
Hey Guys,

First of all let me tell you how excited I am to see that someone else in the world has heard of the Phase 3 panels. I have talked to quite a few self-proclaimed audio files in the past couple weeks, and none of them had heard of Phase Linear speakers, they all think that the Carver Silver series were the first Bob Carver speakers..
Anyways, I recently bought a pair of these from my dad, kinda like buying your inheritance I suppose, dad bought these brand new in 1980, when I was just a baby, I grew up with these awesome speakers. Dad was powering these things with a Phase 700 series 2 amp, which he threw in for free (although it is in need of repair). I lucked up the next day and found a Sunfire Theater Grand 2 preamp on CL for dirt cheap, so now I need to get some things together.
My desire is to do some minor refurbishing on these panels and on the sub module, they have taken a bit of abuse over the years and have some problems. On my first diagnostic I tried to test the impedance on the back of the panels, does anyone know what this should read? I get open circuit on both!... I Thought it should read around 6 ohms. I noticed that one of the crossovers has a melted piece, it is black and looks like a cap? What I really need is a factory service manual and a parts list. I was thinking that the ohm reading was not right, so I checked the drivers individually and they all ohmed out between 4 and 8 ohms - So I think the crossovers may just need an overhaul. But this is why I am asking you guys, what do you think? And what kind of experience have you all had with these? ANyone ever tested the ohms at the poles just for giggles?

Thanks in advance for any help. I look forward to introducing my little boy to home audio the way that God and Bob Carver intended!

TNRabbit
05-18-2010, 11:06 PM
Send Bob Carver an email at: bob @ sunfire dot com

I'm sure he can get you a copy of the PL3 manual~

SpeakerLabFan
05-19-2010, 02:58 PM
Hey Guys,

First of all let me tell you how excited I am to see that someone else in the world has heard of the Phase 3 panels. I have talked to quite a few self-proclaimed audio files in the past couple weeks, and none of them had heard of Phase Linear speakers, they all think that the Carver Silver series were the first Bob Carver speakers..


Welcome to AK! :wave:

You're among friends here, enjoy those speakers!

I have the Phase Linear Andromeda service manual. Send me a PM if you can use some scanned pages. :thmbsp:

waynedb
05-19-2010, 11:02 PM
Hey guys, thanks for the warm welcome. I will send off an email to Bob here in a few minutes. I had another question to post here about these speakers, does anyone know if I could find 2 pairs of stands? Dad never used his stands and now they are lost, so you kind of have to lean these things against the wall. I suppose I could probably fabricate some, I do have a vague memory of how they were designed, but I would love to find some originals.
I was also wondering if anyone had a line on a good supplier of foam surrounds, especially for those 4" mids, I have a couple that look brittle, and one that is missing a piece.
One thing I would love to know, what are the factory specs on these PL3s, I was especially wanting to know about the power handling. Dad always ran them with a Phase 700 series 2 amp, and it never seemed to run out of power.

Thanks again everyone.

Bucky Badger
05-21-2010, 02:22 AM
Welcome waynedb,
You have been raised on some wonderful speakers and equipment. Lucky you. And your son, lucky him. I guess that SpeakerLabFan has hooked you up with the specs that you need. There are some very knowledgeable folks here to be sure. If you still have questions after getting the info SLF sent you, please ask away. I can get the measurements for the stands for you if you wish but you might have to fab. a pair.
Recommended power 50-350wpc for Phase III's.
Surrounds I can't help you with but there are others on AK that probably can.

waynedb
05-26-2010, 11:47 PM
Hello again everyone.

So I just received my amp, I decided on a Pm 1.5 Carver - picked it up on ebay for less than $200, great amp with more power than these Pl3s will ever need. I am using a Sunfire TGP2 preamp, and wow this is a great setup. I have 2 problems, and I need everyones help with these....

1. Seems like I have a 12" sub that is dead, actually makes a scratching sound when you manualy move the cone and it blew the 4 amp fuse. Anyone know where I can either find a replacement or get it reconed? I have been searching for the specs on the CTS 12g that Bob used, so maybe I could find a similar replacement. I am sure 30 year old technology has got to have a far superior modern day replacement. Any ideas?

2. My Sunfire Preamp has balanced (XLR) outputs, my Carver pm 1.5 has balanced inputs. I hooked them up with the xlrs, but I realized that I am cutting out the control module, my question is - this Sunfire is pretty nice, with holographic imaging and various other EQ controls (I am not a fan over Over-EQing a stereo) it has rca outputs as well, do you guys think I should hook this system up with the Rca patchs and put the control module back in the mix? My amp has the 1/4" mono inputs and I have a set of the 1/4" mono to rca adapters, so it would not be difficult to wire it up as such.

Even with one sub down and a 4" mid that has a bad surround, this system blew my wifes hair back when I fired it up for the first time tonight. And my little boy danced around the living room, kinda like his dad did almost 30 years ago. Can't explain how it feels - kinda cool to say the least.

BankShot
07-10-2010, 10:05 PM
Hi all you PL Andromeda III affecionados. Been a while since I posted anything on this speaker system but after last night felt I had to let everyone know what an incredible listening experience I had with mine. I recently purchased the Nils Lofgren "Accoustic Live" CD and have listened to it several times at lower volume levels due to others being around. Well last night I was alone and in need of a PL Andromeda "fix" so in went the CD, up went the volume control to my "room filling" level, out went the lights and I settled in to listen to Nils do his stuff. Incredible performance with some incredible realness coming from this system. Like he and his small group were right there in the room with me playing live up close and personal. This system just continues to impress and amaze me to this very day. The ability it has to duplicate the sound of a guitar and vocals is purely phenomenal. Okay so I am being a bit biased here of course but I can honestly tell everyone that over the many years I have owned this system I have only heard two other systems that I would consider trading for it. One was a custom made and installed system that cost more than my house, the other an original Inifinity IRS system that had been professionally installed and tweaked to the owner's sound room. My meager Andromedas weren't even in the same ballpark as those two systems but they still sounded as good to my ears in my room. That's it, just wanted to chime in here and do my thing and keep the PL Andromeda thread/s alive...................

Good listening to all............Terry

SpeakerLabFan
07-10-2010, 11:49 PM
It's fun to revisit one of my favorite threads about one of my favorite speakers. I have had my Andromedas back in the main system for about a month now, driven with a big Crown amp and splitting time with the JBL monitors.

Hello again everyone.

So I just received my amp, I decided on a Pm 1.5 Carver - picked it up on ebay for less than $200, great amp with more power than these Pl3s will ever need. I am using a Sunfire TGP2 preamp, and wow this is a great setup. I have 2 problems, and I need everyones help with these....

.

Sorry to hear about the issue with the submodule's driver Wayne, and I hope that you have sourced a replacement. I don't have a specific suggestion for either of the issues, for #2 try listening with and without the PL Control Module. I am not an EQ / Tone control / Loudness guy, and I haven't seen any drawbacks to using the control module in the system. I got a kick out of your description of the response from your wife and son to the Andromedas. :thmbsp::D

Hi all you PL Andromeda III affecionados. Been a while since I posted anything on this speaker system but after last night felt I had to let everyone know what an incredible listening experience I had with mine.

<...snip...>

This system just continues to impress and amaze me to this very day. The ability it has to duplicate the sound of a guitar and vocals is purely phenomenal.


:yes: I find these speakers do alot of things right to my ears. It may be that I'm predisposed to like them because I grew up listening to conventional drivers, which Carver used here while, in the words of Tom Brennan early in this thread, "trying to get the spacious sound of planar dipoles using conventional drivers but also with lower distortion and better dynamics". I've listened to the spacious sound of Magnepans and Carver Amazings, and I've been very impressed but I find myself coming back to the Andromedas - and that could be due to my room setup or my sources or my predisposition to like the sound that Carver acheived here with the conventional drivers. but, any case, it's a lot of fun. :thmbsp::music:

Here's an updated picture of my Andromedas - I pulled the grilles off to inspect the drivers - all is well, confirmed by my ears. :music:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/gear/Andromedas002.jpg

BankShot
07-11-2010, 12:17 AM
Hello again everyone.

So I just received my amp, I decided on a Pm 1.5 Carver - picked it up on ebay for less than $200, great amp with more power than these Pl3s will ever need. I am using a Sunfire TGP2 preamp, and wow this is a great setup. I have 2 problems, and I need everyones help with these....

1. Seems like I have a 12" sub that is dead, actually makes a scratching sound when you manualy move the cone and it blew the 4 amp fuse. Anyone know where I can either find a replacement or get it reconed? I have been searching for the specs on the CTS 12g that Bob used, so maybe I could find a similar replacement. I am sure 30 year old technology has got to have a far superior modern day replacement. Any ideas?

2. My Sunfire Preamp has balanced (XLR) outputs, my Carver pm 1.5 has balanced inputs. I hooked them up with the xlrs, but I realized that I am cutting out the control module, my question is - this Sunfire is pretty nice, with holographic imaging and various other EQ controls (I am not a fan over Over-EQing a stereo) it has rca outputs as well, do you guys think I should hook this system up with the Rca patchs and put the control module back in the mix? My amp has the 1/4" mono inputs and I have a set of the 1/4" mono to rca adapters, so it would not be difficult to wire it up as such.

Even with one sub down and a 4" mid that has a bad surround, this system blew my wifes hair back when I fired it up for the first time tonight. And my little boy danced around the living room, kinda like his dad did almost 30 years ago. Can't explain how it feels - kinda cool to say the least.


WAYNEDB - I don't know where you reside but I recently had to have my Andromeda Bass Module re-coned simply due to age. Found a guy in Sacramento who did an excellent job on it. And he doesn't charge an arm and a leg either. Fortunately I live driving distance to Sacramento so it was easy for me to load the module into my truck and take it to him. He took it all apart and tested it all out after the job was done. He charged me $75 per woofer and $40 labor. I thought that was pretty reasonable in today's world. You can also send him the woofers via UPS/FedEx if you live out of state, etc. He has a quick turnaround too. Hope this helps if you are unable to locate someone in your area to do the job. Let me know if I can help you in this matter if you need me to. No problem helping a fellow PL Andromeda III owner...............

Regards.............Terry

Bucky Badger
07-11-2010, 02:34 AM
It's good to see this thread being used again. Good description of the sound as well as your wife and sons reaction. Congrats on the new amp. btw.

BankShot
07-11-2010, 12:16 PM
I forgot to tell you Andromeda fans that I am currently working on a deal to pick up a second set of them. I have been wanting to do this for some time so I can try hooking up a second bass module into my existing system and find out if it will further balance the bass in the room out even better. From everything I have read and been told, if placed properly and run with an equal amount of power, it will. I have drawn up a schematic as to how I will hook it up using my existing equipment and I hope I am doing it correctly. Bottom line I plan on using one module for each channel and using a single SAE P500 amp to run everything. It should for sure have the power to do this. I "think" I have it figured out but am open to any suggestions anyone might have to accomplish this. Anyway, I am getting excited right about now as I am close to making a trip to check this system out and make sure it is working. No doubt the bass module will need re-coning based on age alone but thankfully I have found a guy who can and will do this. Other than that, all is well in my world and I am continually amazed after all these years at the sound that comes from this system. Those of you who own it know what I am saying...................

Regards, Terry

djv8ga
07-11-2010, 08:05 PM
I have no affliation with this ad. :no:
Check these out...
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ele/1837635197.html

BankShot
07-11-2010, 08:33 PM
I have no affliation with this ad. :no:
Check these out...
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ele/1837635197.html

Looks to be pretty trashed but if the individual speakers are still good they are certainly worth $20 for the pair. Wonder if it includes the bass module? Doubtful as I would think the seller would have stated there was another piece with it and also included it in the picture? Hope somebody in the area can jump on these and grab them up to use as parts perhaps? I sure would if I lived near Phoenix...............

Regards, Terry

Bucky Badger
07-13-2010, 04:40 AM
Looks to be pretty trashed but if the individual speakers are still good they are certainly worth $20 for the pair. Wonder if it includes the bass module? Doubtful as I would think the seller would have stated there was another piece with it and also included it in the picture? Hope somebody in the area can jump on these and grab them up to use as parts perhaps? I sure would if I lived near Phoenix...............

Regards, Terry I think I would also. The screens look like they have seen better days but the panels and drivers look to be in not to bad a shape. Hope some AKer gets them and they work as they should. Good luck Terry in getting your 2nd set. Please keep us posted.

Bucky Badger
07-14-2010, 01:48 PM
I called the phone # and left a message. Hope the person will ship just the individual drivers and the feet. Lets see what happens.....

markdi
07-14-2010, 03:51 PM
I wish these were close to me - it is bad karma to take them apart :D

flashg1
08-04-2010, 04:24 PM
:music:My nostalgia system: Still cranking out the tunes after 32 years.

Sony C222Es SACD player, rugged, great sound. (the newest addition)
Carver TX-11a – still one of the better tuners ever made
Carver C-1 Pre-amp – just cleaned the pots and switches, otherwise working like new.
Carver M1.5t – repaired and recapped by Carver about 12 years ago.
Phase Linear Phase III speakers – everything works, amazingly.
Digital feed via iTunes and Airport Express, and Blu-ray Player. (just in case)

Repeat and corrections to a post from 2004:
I purchased the Phase Linear Phase III (Andromeda III) system in Houston, TX in 1978 after listening to all the best of the day. If I remember correctly, I wheeled and dealed and got about $300 off the $1,295 listed price at Finger’s Furniture because they were going to clear out the model. To this day, this stands as one of my best ever hi-fi purchases. I have had the speakers in five different home living rooms in two states from as small as 12x16 feet to as large as 20x30 feet.

Here are a few thoughts.
1. It takes a lot a perseverance to keep them. My wife wants them gone every time we move. She brought it up again last night when I was cleaning the POTs on the preamp.
2. They need power. I use a Carver M1.5t for nostalgia and am halfway looking into something with a little more current and quality, but still keep the Carver around. I have tried other amps (Crown DC-300a, SAE, Hafler, Dynaco) and power/current and damping factor all add up to better sound.
3. They need room and sound better with a little deadening of the side walls to stop early side reflections. Given room they present a pretty good image.
4. I have never been able to get them to image precisely like speakers such as the Audio Physic Virgo III or Aerial Acoustics 7b speakers, but the have a smooth mid-range, airy highs, deep bass, and wonderful for jazz and guitar, and they paint a really big image with a lot of depth, just not as much precision. My current set-up is sub-optimal due to limitations of our home. All in all, I have never heard anything better, many close, but different, but none better. So as you can see, I will keep them as long as I can keep my wife convinced.

I like many others in the forum, I periodically check to see if I can find a second pair for insurance and/or to build a surround theater system, better than my current system in another room. I have only found a few systems for sale during last ten years, and they were not in good shape. Mine...eat your hearts out, are in great shape, no scratches, original drives, all due to some very serious coaching of movers. No children, no smoking and vigilance against the dust and pet hair.

If you have to move them, here is my advice:
Wrap them in blankets after removing the feet. Discuss placement with the movers so the understand they can have nothing on them. Stand vertically and place where protected by other furniture. Alternatly, box like mattress with lots of padding, and pray. Anyway, if you have a pair, enjoy, if not, keep looking. If you have a pair and want them to go to a loving home, send me a message.

2010 Update:
I thought my Motion Control Module had failed. Fortunately, it was only a dirty pot and all is well. I have not experienced any need for driver repairs. I have noticed that the bass is not a tight as before and have considered getting the drivers repaired. Your experiences and recommendations in this area would be appreciated.

Other systems:
I have a Yamaha 7.2 system in the living room, a small Sony system in my office, a Teac system in the guest room, speakers on the patio and everything is interconnected to a music server using iTunes, which sounds decent and is very convenient. I still play vinyl and have a nice collection of CDs and SACDs. Like many of you I have been through 8-track, vinyl, cassettes, reel-to-reel, CDs, DVD-Audio and SACD. Now I am getting into high resolutions downloads via groups like HD-Tracks and find it a lot of fun. I still wish there was more support for SACDs. They sound competitive with the best of my D2D vinyl and are a lot more convenient. On the road, I carry an iPOD and go back and forth with Senheiser and Sony noise canceling headphones. So I guess you could say I am music enabled at all times. Currently, I have been experimenting with several pre-amps and cartridge combinations with the help of a friend to fully tweak out my vinyl playback system with plans to digitize all the old albums, especially those out of print or never released on CD. I have been using a M-Audio 1816 AD/DA that allows me to record at 192/24 or 96/24 capturing all the good stuff (and the crap) on the vinyl in full fidelity. I have tried some tools like SoundSoap with limited success trying to clean up without killing the highs.

It was nice to see all the recent comments on the Phase III. Keep them coming.

BankShot
08-04-2010, 04:48 PM
flashg1 -

Great post, some interesting reading and comments. I bought my Andromedas back in 1977 and have been enjoying them to this day. Will put them up against just about anything and rely on them to hold their own. With regards to your bass module and what you said about it not being as tight as before, you may want to check into having the woofers re-coned. I don't know where you live in CA but if you are anywhere near the Sacramento area, I can put you in touch with a guy that re-coned mine just a few months back. He did a fantastic job and it once again sounds like it did when it was new. The bass is once again very tight and very strong. And he doesn't charge an arm and a leg to do this either. Let me know if you would like his name...........

I think every one of us who currently owns this system would love to run across a "spare" system but they are unfortunately very hard to come across and when you do find one it is usually across country or too far away to go pick it up etc. I hate to even think about the day mine decides to crap out on me so I am in search now also................

Once again, great post, continued enjoyment of your system and glad to have you on board the forum if you happen to be a newcomer?.............

Regards, Terry

Bucky Badger
08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
Hey flashg1, It's good to see another one of us out there. Welcome to AK.
Hey Terry, still no word from djv8ga. Hope he is OK...

Urizen
08-04-2010, 04:58 PM
A friendly reminder. Horsetrading, buying and selling are allowed only in the AK classfieds or in Barter Town if you are a subscriber. Please keep all communications regarding anything you wish to buy and/or sell in those forums, or use PM. Thanks.

If there is any confusion, please see this forum's posting rules:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173884

SpeakerLabFan
09-11-2010, 10:13 PM
I was out on the garage sale and thrift store warpath this morning, and ran across an orphaned Phase Linear Andromeda bass module - appeared unmolested, w/ two good looking 12" down firing woofers, good fuses, etc, and a nice $20 price.


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/gear/phasesub001.jpg


I grabbed - and I have added this 2nd bass module to my Andromeda system, placed opposite the other module on the other side of the living room. I've heard good things about spreading the bass around the room with additional subwoofer units. At a minimum, I have the 2nd bass module for a backup if there are problems with the first one, since these things don't turn up everyday.

I am powering the second bass module with a 2nd amp, a Mcintosh 2205 (200 WPC). My preamp supports output to two power amps. I'm using the Crown CTS-2000 (1000 WPC) on the main Andromeda system.

The extra bass module definitely adds to the Andromeda experience. I'm listening to Dark Side of The Moon. Neither amp is breaking a sweat; thunderous room-filling sound. Really.....nice.

:music::tresbon:

From 7/11/10...
I forgot to tell you Andromeda fans that I am currently working on a deal to pick up a second set of them. I have been wanting to do this for some time so I can try hooking up a second bass module into my existing system and find out if it will further balance the bass in the room out even better. From everything I have read and been told, if placed properly and run with an equal amount of power, it will.

Terry, I didn't see a follow-up (or I missed it here). Did you hook up a 2nd bass module?

TNRabbit
09-12-2010, 12:20 AM
WOW; you STOLE that thing!

BankShot
09-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Hey there SLF - You must have missed my thread entitled "Got'em, backup PL Andromeda IIIs, etc." Yes I did manage to find and buy another entire Anromeda III system. It was in very good condition other than I will have the bass module re-coned shortly due to its age. Sounds okay but I can detect a bit of mushiness and a tad of boominess in the lowerst register. I hooked mine into my current system last week using a PL 400 amp and run two Paradigm mini monitors off it for reflected rear sound. By adding this second bass module I immediately noticed what I had hoped I would notice. The room sounds more balanced than it ever has before. The bass is decidedly stronger but really not any lower from what I can detect. I am very pleased at this addition and strongly recommend it to anyone owning Andromedas if they can find that ellusive second system. Congrats on finding yours and for the price you simply stole it and you know you did. I did an experiment some time back that I mentioned in a following post on a thread about subwoofers. MY main listening room is carpeted with fairly heavy and dense carpet. I cut a 2/3" piece of plywood 22" square, painted it gloss black and placed it under the bass module. The sound tightened up by just this as it was no longer being muffled to a degree by that carpet. I did this same thing with the newest bass module and it worked the same. I am really pleased with my system now but of course will have open ears and eyes for any other improvements that can be made down the road. A work in progress is what I say this hobby is. Again, congrats on the latest acquisition, I am going to keep looking and try find another full system someday and will buy it also if it is in good shape. One can never have too many Andromeda systems can they...............? Ha!

All the best to you...........Terry

I was out on the garage sale and thrift store warpath this morning, and ran across an orphaned Phase Linear Andromeda bass module - appeared unmolested, w/ two good looking 12" down firing woofers, good fuses, etc, and a nice $20 price.


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/gear/phasesub001.jpg


I grabbed - and I have added this 2nd bass module to my Andromeda system, placed opposite the other module on the other side of the living room. I've heard good things about spreading the bass around the room with additional subwoofer units. At a minimum, I have the 2nd bass module for a backup if there are problems with the first one, since these things don't turn up everyday.

I am powering the second bass module with a 2nd amp, a Mcintosh 2205 (200 WPC). My preamp supports output to two power amps. I'm using the Crown CTS-2000 (1000 WPC) on the main Andromeda system.

The extra bass module definitely adds to the Andromeda experience. I'm listening to Dark Side of The Moon. Neither amp is breaking a sweat; thunderous room-filling sound. Really.....nice.

:music::tresbon:

From 7/11/10...


Terry, I didn't see a follow-up (or I missed it here). Did you hook up a 2nd bass module?

SpeakerLabFan
09-12-2010, 06:15 PM
WOW; you STOLE that thing!

:yes::smoke:

While I was making arrangements for a hand truck to move the module out to my car, I had to chase away two different shoppers who were eyeing it presumably as end table furniture. A third guy wanted to know what the heck it was, so I got to tell him the story of the Andromeda speaker system, and mad scientist Bob Carver's work on these - found this module in N. Seattle so it was probably assembled in the Lynnwood Phase Linear facilities a few miles away.

Hey there SLF - You must have missed my thread entitled "Got'em, backup PL Andromeda IIIs, etc." Yes I did manage to find and buy another entire Anromeda III system. It was in very good condition other than I will have the bass module re-coned shortly due to its age. Sounds okay but I can detect a bit of mushiness and a tad of boominess in the lowerst register. I hooked mine into my current system last week using a PL 400 amp and run two Paradigm mini monitors off it for reflected rear sound. By adding this second bass module I immediately noticed what I had hoped I would notice. The room sounds more balanced than it ever has before. The bass is decidedly stronger but really not any lower from what I can detect. I am very pleased at this addition and strongly recommend it to anyone owning Andromedas if they can find that ellusive second system. Congrats on finding yours and for the price you simply stole it and you know you did. I did an experiment some time back that I mentioned in a following post on a thread about subwoofers. MY main listening room is carpeted with fairly heavy and dense carpet. I cut a 2/3" piece of plywood 22" square, painted it gloss black and placed it under the bass module. The sound tightened up by just this as it was no longer being muffled to a degree by that carpet. I did this same thing with the newest bass module and it worked the same. I am really pleased with my system now but of course will have open ears and eyes for any other improvements that can be made down the road. A work in progress is what I say this hobby is. Again, congrats on the latest acquisition, I am going to keep looking and try find another full system someday and will buy it also if it is in good shape. One can never have too many Andromeda systems can they...............? Ha!

All the best to you...........Terry

I did miss your thread Terry, but just went there and added a congratulatory post. Thanks for the report. Enjoy those beasts. :thmbsp::music:

BankShot
10-12-2010, 05:37 PM
Hi again everyone -

I just dropped that second bass module this morning to the guy that re-coned my original one and that did such a terrific job. We got to chatting a bit as he had some time and so did I. He told me that when he did my first one he did a frequency check on it after the re-coning and tweaking the crossover a tad. He said it went cleanly down to 21Hz and will make sure this other one ends up the same before I get it back at the end of the week. As mentioned in prior posts, even playing this second one in the condition it is in, it still improved the overall bass fullness in the room and I knew that once I got it re-coned I was going to be very impressed with the results. I know the original specs on this sub said it was good down to 24Hz so picking up an additional 3Hz of deep extension is "more music to me olde ears", or perhaps I should say "more rumblings in me olde stomach"..........Ha! This guy really knows his stuff so if anyone out there is looking to have re-coning done. let me know and I'll send you his phone number and address etc. He works out of his house but he sure has all the right stuff to get the job done and done right. Will post again once I get this puppy back and hooked up again........

Regards, Terry

PS: Hey SpeakerLabFan - Have you had any real time with your second bass module yet and if so what's your take on running the two together....?

SpeakerLabFan
10-13-2010, 01:02 AM
Keep us posted as you get that second module in place, TSOQ

PS: Hey SpeakerLabFan - Have you had any real time with your second bass module yet and if so what's your take on running the two together....?

I'm definitely enjoying the Andromedas with the extra bass module. I've been planning to move the Andromedas out of the rotation to give the Carver Amazings some playing time, but I can't stop listening to the Andromedas.

It's the go to system for CDs. Latest plays: Rhino compilation CD - Nuggets - Choice Artyfacts from the first Psychedelic Era, and The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle. :music::music::thmbsp::thmbsp:

mech986
10-13-2010, 12:36 PM
Gentlemen, all you guys in the Northwest must have a bunch of these Andromeda's running around, surely because PL was based up there.

Well, here's another one I just found listed for auction. I think near Spokane? This from one of you? Sorry in advance if someone was watching secretly, looks like pretty fair interest alreeady.

No affiliation, yada yada. Good Hunting!

The speakers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHASE-LINEAR-ANDROMEDA-III-FLOOR-SPEAKERS-RARE-/310259396577?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item483ce6afe1

The subwoofer:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHASE-LINEAR-ANDROMEDA-III-SUBWOOFER-DUAL-DRIVERS-RARE-/310259396601?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item483ce6aff9

BankShot
10-13-2010, 12:44 PM
Gentlemen, all you guys in the Northwest must have a bunch of these Andromeda's running around, surely because PL was based up there.

Well, here's another one I just found listed for auction. I think near Spokane? This from one of you? Sorry in advance if someone was watching secretly, looks like pretty fair interest alreeady.

No affiliation, yada yada. Good Hunting!

The speakers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHASE-LINEAR-ANDROMEDA-III-FLOOR-SPEAKERS-RARE-/310259396577?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item483ce6afe1

The subwoofer:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHASE-LINEAR-ANDROMEDA-III-SUBWOOFER-DUAL-DRIVERS-RARE-/310259396601?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item483ce6aff9

Have seen this one before, shame the guy/gal is breaking up the sale into two parts and doesn't even mention the MCM as being with either the panels or the bass module. I see the bid is up close to $400 now for just the two panels. By the picture they appear to be in really nice shape but I'd be a tad wary of just how good they really are. I would think it would have been much smarter to offer the entire package in one unit and not try breaking it up into two separate sales as the bass module belongs with the panels as does the MCM. Just my opinion here of course, others may feel differently about this...........???

Regards, Terry

Bucky Badger
10-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Have seen this one before, shame the guy/gal is breaking up the sale into two parts and doesn't even mention the MCM as being with either the panels or the bass module. I see the bid is up close to $400 now for just the two panels. By the picture they appear to be in really nice shape but I'd be a tad wary of just how good they really are. I would think it would have been much smarter to offer the entire package in one unit and not try breaking it up into two separate sales as the bass module belongs with the panels as does the MCM. Just my opinion here of course, others may feel differently about this...........???

Regards, Terry



I agree Terry. I guess that if the seller wants to get the most $ they can then this is the way to go but boy oh boy. It will cost someone a lot of cash to get the set, and no MCM. ( They do look like they are in good shape though.) Looks like the set, with the sub, will reach over 800.00 by the time it's finished.
Glad to hear that you like the 2 subs in the system Dick/Terry. I just wish I had the room to do that...

BankShot
10-13-2010, 03:52 PM
I agree Terry. I guess that if the seller wants to get the most $ they can then this is the way to go but boy oh boy. It will cost someone a lot of cash to get the set, and no MCM. ( They do look like they are in good shape though.) Looks like the set, with the sub, will reach over 800.00 by the time it's finished.
Glad to hear that you like the 2 subs in the system Dick/Terry. I just wish I had the room to do that...

Hey ommp - Good to hear from you. I agree, it will end up costing someone probably well over $800 inc. shipping for both items being auctioned so I hope this system is in fine shape and doesn't need any costly repairs, etc. What gets me is that both auctions may end up with separate buyers so neither one will be able to enjoy the full system and that doesn't make a lot of sense to me........??? I am waiting on that second bass module that is being re-coned as I am typing this and am certain it will be an awesome listening session for me once I get it back and hooked up again. As I mentioned prior, even listening to it in the condition it was in prior, it opened up the bass response in the room a lot and it felt "bigger" if I can use that word. I am running it with one of my PL400 amps so it is getting enough power to perform as it was intended to. Will post again once I have it back and running............

All the best to you up there in "the Land of Carver". You PL/Carver guys up there are so darn lucky............!!!

Regards, Terry

Bucky Badger
10-13-2010, 04:48 PM
Hey Terry, I e-mailed the ebay seller and asked if local pick-up was an option and if they had the MCM but have gotten no response. Not that I would pay that much for another pair but just thought I would ask. Keep us informed when you get your 2nd sub back. And you are correct when you said that it will probably be more than 800 what with the shipping. Sure hope that seller knows how to pack them puppies without destroying the plastic dispersion cones. That can't be an easy job.

BankShot
10-16-2010, 04:25 PM
That separate PL Andromeda III system is now at $875 for the two panels on one auction and the bass module on the other. Include shipping for both and the price has no risen to over $1000 for both!!! AND NO MCM included on either auction!!! Either one person wants this system real bad and is willing to try and locate an MCM later on, or perhaps two individual people don't have a clue what they are buying and that the two auctions should belong as one......??? Sure glad I was able to pick up my second system when I did and for the price I paid for it. BTW, I just started a new thread in the Speakers section entitled "ATTENTION All PL Andromeda III/Phase III Fans". Got that second bass module re-coned and running in unison with the other one and.......WOW!!!

Regards.........Terry:music::thmbsp:

Ken Boyd
11-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Hey everyone, I have been out of the loop for awhile as I have been in another state working on an old historic home that I purchased. As I took items with me as I am living in the house I took a few sound systems with me just for the heck of it so I would have some intertainment in the house as I have no TV cable, internet, or any normal things in a home that is over 100 years old. In fact I only have new electrical in the one bedroom and bath that I have been working on. Its kind of like camping out and for the most part is ok other than that I miss my wife being with me. Probably can get her to move once I get a kitchen in place. That being said, I took two audio racks and three pairs of speakers. The first trip I took one audio rack and a pair of Infinity RS-1b's, of which I am very fond of. I took my worst set as I had to concern myself with the possiblity of breakins due to the fact the house had been empty for decades. Let me tell you nothing beats large rooms with hi ceilngs for sound systems to sound their best. They sound so much better now that they are able to breathe! I put them in the master bedroom which I had finished restoring. Next room was one of the front parlors, I brought a pair of small Infinity Quantum Line Source 5's which is a small three way speaker which sounded pretty good but nothing like the big Infinitys. Another trip and I pulled my pair of Phase Linear III's out of their storage, grabbed a Mcintosh preamp that I had sitting around un-used, looked around for an amp, and the only thing that I had no already in a rack was on old Crown 400 amp. I was amazed out how great that system sounded, blew me away, as I liked the overall sound better than my big Infinity's. The bass quantity certianly lacked in shear volume over the Infinity's bass towers, but the bass seemed somewhat better in the very deep lows, in the region which you can barely hear and just feel the bass was better than the Infinity's towers. They are more like the QLS-1's with their Watkins dual voice coil drivers, where the RS-1b's have two bass towers with six bass drivers in them they don't seem to hit the real lows like the PL speakers do. I am back here in Florida right now at my other house for a few weeks and was so impressed with those PL III's I didn't want anything to happen to them so I loaded them back in my van and brought them back with me, even though I have insurance on the house finding another pair to replace this mint pair would be hard. Just thought you all might be interested in my thoughts on those old Carver speakers.

On a second note, I never got a chance to send out a Phase Linear amp that I wanted to get repaired. What I need if anyone here knows which I know some of you do, is the layout of the transistors on the back of a PL 700 II amp. I thought tomorrow I might pull out all the transistors and check them to find which are bad and go to the electronics store and buy some to new insolator pads and grease, and replace any bad transistors. It is blowing the fuse when you power it up, everything inside looks like new, the main power caps look they are mint like someone already replaced it, but I see some of the main transistors on the back have been replaced with newer ones and some are the old orginal ones. I am hoping that is my problem as I would like to use this amp if I can get it working and take it back with me next week when I go back. I remember one of you all posting the layout of the back transistors. I got a combintion of trantistors mainly Motorola MJ 15025's, TR9054's, ON MJ15025's.

Looks like they all face one way except the bottom transistors in all rows are reversed except the third row from the left when looking at it from the rear that row two of the MJ15025's are reversed. I hope that is a good explaination. If anyone has a drawing of the layout of the transistors it would be helpful The row of TR9054's are old ones that are different the rest of the other three rows, will replace all of them. A friend of mine works at the cape on the Shuttle and has a testor to test all the transistors so I would like to use all the same brand of transistors and replace any that test bad. But many of them look like new ON MJ15025's which are probably later replacements that might be ok. Any help would be thankful, thanks everyone.

If any more Phase Linear III's come my way I will certianly grab them up as I love them speakers, but hopefully I won't have to pay that much, I only paid 400 dollars for my pair with the Bass Comode and the electronic controller with it. I had to replace one of the audax tweeters if you all recall and I found a pair on ebay so I have a spare. I do have one problem which is one of the mids has a small buzz on some songs if you touch it very lightly it goes away and the surround looks very old but it is still not torn. I think it is weak and allowing the voice coil to rub slightly. It will probably be harder to find it is one of the two near the top one faces forward and then right above it one faces to the rear. They have a black back on them with a hole in it. If anyone sees one for sell give me a shout back as I would like to get a replacement just in case it gets worse. They didn't use foam on these but rather a cloth type of tape on the surround.

BankShot
11-04-2010, 01:43 AM
Hello down there in Florida Ken -

Don't know if you're aware but I recently bought a second PL Andromeda III system. Lucked out, it was in decent shape, original owner and everything worked. Did have to have the bass module re-coned and after inspection, I thought it best to re-edge the four midrange drivers. Also doing the ones in my original system at the same time due strictly to age. Anyway, point of all this being, I believe the drivers used are the Peerless M122 which has long since been discontinued by the mgfr. Trying to locate them is almost impossible now so you will probably have to rely on finding another system in tact if you are in need of replacing that one of yours that is making the buzzing sound. Could be however as you said, the voice coil is rubbing against the surround. I am now running both systems in the same room and the sound of both together is nothing short of just plain awesome. The added bass module has evened out the bass throughout the entire room and as SLF noted in a response, it really is a "crushing" experience. The guy that re-coned both bass modules has them now playing cleanly and tightly down to 21Hz, which is 3Hz below what the system is capable of new. Hope you can find someone in your area to either re-edge and/or re-cone those mids for you. I don't have mine back yet so can't tell you how they sound but will shortly. If push comes to shove I can put you in touch with him as it would be only a modest cost I believe to ship them out to him. He does excellent work and only takes three to four days to do the job. These systems are becoming more and more difficult to find, especially in good to mint condition after all these years. I am even right now looking around to see if I can turn up a third complete system in decent shape that I will use as a parts system only. Then again, maybe three of these in one room may be worth a try perhaps..............Ha!

Regards, Terry :music::thmbsp:

Ken Boyd
11-04-2010, 02:24 PM
I can only imagine setting up a surround setup using my PL 6000 audio delay runing into another PL 700 II paired to another pair of PL III speakers. I knew you were wanting to find another bass comode but I didn't know you wanted a complete setup. And don't hog all the systems out there save an extra set for me, here on the east coast they are much more hard to find. As far as the layout for the transistors I found a print out in a pile on my desk where I have the info. One of the transistors in my amp seems like it is backwards.

Ken Boyd
11-04-2010, 09:59 PM
Damn I thought I had fixed my PL 700 II that was until it just made a small pop and died. I see a few resistors and two small transistors on the small board that look burnt. Now I have to get replacements and solder them in and hope that what ever caused that won't do it again. I didn't have them hooked up to any speakers and had all the 5 amp fuses out. It was blowing the main fuse before and I pulled all the fuses and put one in at a time until I found the one that would cause the main to blow. It was the second row of power transistor fuse and I checked all the transistors found one bad one replaced it and put in all the fuses seemed ok hooked it up and it played music great for a little while until it dropped that channel. Back to the drawing board.

waynedb
01-05-2011, 03:30 PM
Hello again everyone. I have been out of the loop for a while, mostly due to my job but I have been able to spend alot of time with my Andromedas. Last time I was on here I was looking for a replacement subwoofer due to one having melted it's voice coil -and I was having amp/preamp questions - here is an update.

I purchased another Carver pm1.5 amp on ebay for less than $150, and bi-amped my system. The Sunfire TGP2 has a seperate subwoofer out with built in crossover points and adjustable subwoofer levels - I put one amp to the subs, the other to the panels - this is a great setup! You can adjust the subwoofer level (instead of Bass level) from the remote. And fyi, I do not use the Motion Control module, I use xlrs from the preamp to the amp, I found that this gives superior sound quality. As for the drivers, I actually contacted Bob Carver and told him my problem. He reccomended replacing both drivers with some "cheap drivers from Parts Express, don't pay over $25 a piece for them"... Well I took his advice, I have not been very happy with the bass reproduction - it isn't as low and rumbly as I remember, its more loud and boomy even after setting the subwoofer crossover in the Sunfire TGP2 down to 80hz. I have decided to go with a recone as previously reccomended in the thread. One funny problem, we use the bass module for a coffee table complete with a table lamp. I typically blow a 40w light bulb every time I crank it up, might have to get a rough service bulb for that lamp before its all over.

I did finally do a transistor check on the Phase 700 series 2 amp that Dad bought new with the Andromedas, found 2 dead transistors and replaced all 20. Every once in a while I hook the Phase up to the panels for what I find to be extra clean and lively music listening. But for long extended plays I revert back to the Carver 1.5, just to keep from overworking the Phase. I have expanded my audio gear to include a Monster power distribution system, a Sony 6 disc cd changer with digital audio outs, and an Akai record player that I have yet to hook up. Maybe I will post a picture sometime soon, I did recover the speaker grills with black speaker cloth due to the original being stained, the black actually makes them look more modern in some ways.

Thank you guys for your help and support, and for keeping these vintage speakers up and going. I will try to be more in touch this year.

danb44
02-10-2011, 04:13 PM
Great speakers, I have a set I bought new in '79. Powering them right now with Carver equipment (had that for about 20 years too), used to use Sansui. They are power hungry but they sure do sound good. As with most folks here, I'd love to find a second set. - dan

waynedb
04-04-2011, 10:39 PM
Hello again guys, I am certifiable crazy - at least if you ask my wife.. Here is what I did Friday. I drove from Western Nc to Cincinnati Oh, about a 5 1/2 hour drive (one way) to pick up an orphaned Andromeda Sub Module I found on the CL. Got it for $120, cost me $150 in gas and a whole day in the car. Bad news is the subs are sagging, and it smells like mold - it has apparently been around some moisture in the past,(which you can't see in pictures for some reason) with some seperation in the joints, it actually ohmed out ok so I hooked it up - turned it up a little and the top started rattling and fell off when I turned on edge to unhook it. Sighh....
So I am going to get the drivers reconned, and I have already done the carpentry work on the cabinet.. All this talk of adding a second module to the system keeps me driven. I currently am running a Carver 1.5t to the panels, and a pm 1.5 to the current module, I have a matching extra pm 1.5 for the new module - I keep hearing an evil laugh in my head when I think about wiring all this up and cranking it for the first time...
I'll keep you posted.

BankShot
04-04-2011, 11:28 PM
WAYNEDB Glad to hear you successfully located and bought that second bass module. Once you get it re-coned and working correctly again, I think you will notice a definite difference in your overall bass in the room. For one thing it should be smoother and more evenly balanced and it will also be a bit bigger and fuller than with just the single module. Powering it separately will also help it perform to its best. I am totally pleased running the two Andromeda systems together but may at times take out the second set of panels as I did buy them originally to be used as a backup pair but have gotten myself hooked bad by running the two sets together now. I will always run the second bass module no matter what tho..............

Continued good listening to you, keep us posted on how you like the results once you do get it done and hooked into your system.............

Regards.........Terry:thmbsp::music:

waynedb
04-11-2011, 11:10 PM
Not to get off the subject here guys, but I picked up a set of the Carver Amazings last weekend on the CL... Got them for what I think was a steal - 600, not sure what I was wanting to hear as far as difference but for now I am still more partial to my Andromedas, I actually am running my sub module with the amazings right now... This is a heck of a setup, and leaves me to ponder the question... Can Bob Carver do any wrong??

BankShot
04-12-2011, 03:09 AM
Not to get off the subject here guys, but I picked up a set of the Carver Amazings last weekend on the CL... Got them for what I think was a steal - 600, not sure what I was wanting to hear as far as difference but for now I am still more partial to my Andromedas, I actually am running my sub module with the amazings right now... This is a heck of a setup, and leaves me to ponder the question... Can Bob Carver do any wrong??

Now's there's a combo I have never even thought of trying. Running an Andromeda bass module with Amazings. I can't see why it wouldn't be a great sounding combo as long as the crossover points were within parameters, etc. and I would guess they most likely are according to what you say about them together. Good on you there waynedb, it's experimenting like this that can lead to some great sound and it appears that you have done exactly that. Darn!!! Now I'll have to start looking for some Amazings so I can try this out for myself................Ha!

Regards..........Terry:thmbsp::music:

Bucky Badger
04-12-2011, 03:34 AM
Calm down Terry. Just back away from your computer, very slowly......:D

Bucky Badger
04-12-2011, 03:41 AM
Not to get off the subject here guys, but I picked up a set of the Carver Amazings last weekend on the CL... Got them for what I think was a steal - 600, not sure what I was wanting to hear as far as difference but for now I am still more partial to my Andromedas, I actually am running my sub module with the amazings right now... This is a heck of a setup, and leaves me to ponder the question... Can Bob Carver do any wrong??

Hey waynedb, Glad to hear of another Andromeda owner. Sounds like you and TSOQ should not be left alone in the same room. Could be very dangerous.:yes:

waynedb
04-12-2011, 09:27 AM
Hey waynedb, Glad to hear of another Andromeda owner. Sounds like you and TSOQ should not be left alone in the same room. Could be very dangerous.:yes:

Ha! Roger that Bucky! But what is truly dangerous is having a wife that doesn't get it.. I have been lucky so far with mine, she is VERY understanding, but I am going to have to lay off buying gear for a while - she is starting to look at me funny..

Terry, I am not real sure of the crossover points on these 2 different systems, I run mine though a Sunfire TGP2. Run full range to the panels, or in this case I just unhooked the panels and substituted the Amazings, and a subwoofer out to the Modules - crossed over at 80hz. I can say if you go to look for some Amazings you will have to find a heck of an amp.. I had my Phase panels hooked up to a M1.5t (1200 watts) and had more power than I ever needed, with the Amazings hooked the same way I quickly sucked the amp dry and put it into clipping, and didn't reach anywhere near the same sound levels as I got from the PLs. I pulled out a spare/reserve Pm1.5 which is a little heartier pro version of the 1.5t, and it seems to do a little better.

I really honestly didn't want to buy anymore speakers this soon after the day trip to Ohio for the orphaned Andromeda module a week earlier, but I see all these Carver products needing a good home, my heart just goes out to them and I just have to go adopt... Kind of like a Madonna/Branjelina concept except with great audio equipment, if you pardon the crude comparison and catch the obvious sarcasm.

On the same note - LOL.. Anyone in the ATL area??? No affiliation at all, I am not even going to contact this fellow, I am afraid if I even mentioned these to the wife what she might do...


http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ele/2315077399.html

BankShot
04-12-2011, 10:17 AM
"Bucky Badger" I will not look for Amazings, I will not look for Amazings, I will not......do not think I'll look for Amazings, I do think I'll look for Amazings. Tempting but won't be happening in the near future, I promise.........

"waynedb" I do know of a PL owner who was? looking to buy another set. He lives in Florida and is within striking distance of this CL set. Hey KEN BOYD!!! Are you still reading this thread down there in the Sunshine State? Here's your chance to jump on the "Dualing Andromedas" bandwagon and satisfy your innermost desires............Ha!

Tell you all one thing, these systems are starting to really climb in price lately. Not too long ago you could grab an entire system for peanuts, shelled ones at that.........!!!

Good listening to all.........Terry:thmbsp::music:

BankShot
04-24-2011, 02:33 PM
Hi All -

Was perusing thru the various PL Andromeda/Phase III threads and ran across this one. Thought I'd revitalize it and bring it back up front for another pass thru. All the changes I have been making in my system are accomplished (at least for the time being) and I am enjoying some truly great sound with both Andromeda systems operating at their peak performance currently. Can't seem to get in enough listening time lately but when I manage to get an evening to myself I am thoroughly enjoying the outcome of all my additions, changes, cleaning,tweaking, and in general just messing around. Wish I didn't live out here in the hills as I do and that I could meet up with some of you Land of Carver folks who seem to have a corner on the market for our type of speakers but someday I hope to meet with some of you and shake a few hands. I've PM'd a couple of you recently but haven't heard anything back. Not to mention any names here but "BB" and "KB" come to mind first..........Ha! Hey "KB", did you ever check into that PLIII system for sale in the Atlanta area yet? As for "BB" you seem to be the one who cornered the market on these speakers, can we come to you for parts if needed..........Ha! Hey, hope everyone enjoys a nice Easter holiday. I for one am looking forward to summer and for all this rain and snow to stop falling so I can get my Harley out and go riding.............!!!

Good listening to all.........Terry:thmbsp::music:

PS: Anyone in need of driver re-edging or re-coning, there is a guy here in the Sacramento area who does truly great work at reasonable prices. Used him to do both my bass modules and all eight mids.......

danb44
04-28-2011, 02:03 PM
Just thought i would BTT this thread, and keep it going. I missed another set of these speakers in the Toronto area by about half an hour when I called (I'm working nearby this week). Damn! Oh well, the hunt goes on. - dan

Bucky Badger
04-28-2011, 02:47 PM
Hi All -

Was perusing thru the various PL Andromeda/Phase III threads and ran across this one. Thought I'd revitalize it and bring it back up front for another pass thru. All the changes I have been making in my system are accomplished (at least for the time being) and I am enjoying some truly great sound with both Andromeda systems operating at their peak performance currently. Can't seem to get in enough listening time lately but when I manage to get an evening to myself I am thoroughly enjoying the outcome of all my additions, changes, cleaning,tweaking, and in general just messing around. Wish I didn't live out here in the hills as I do and that I could meet up with some of you Land of Carver folks who seem to have a corner on the market for our type of speakers but someday I hope to meet with some of you and shake a few hands. I've PM'd a couple of you recently but haven't heard anything back. Not to mention any names here but "BB" and "KB" come to mind first..........Ha! Hey "KB", did you ever check into that PLIII system for sale in the Atlanta area yet? As for "BB" you seem to be the one who cornered the market on these speakers, can we come to you for parts if needed..........Ha! Hey, hope everyone enjoys a nice Easter holiday. I for one am looking forward to summer and for all this rain and snow to stop falling so I can get my Harley out and go riding.............!!!

Good listening to all.........Terry:thmbsp::music:

PS: Anyone in need of driver re-edging or re-coning, there is a guy here in the Sacramento area who does truly great work at reasonable prices. Used him to do both my bass modules and all eight mids.......

PM sent. Sorry for the delay Terry.

esya
04-28-2011, 11:40 PM
This site is amazing...just realized my neighbors have a set of these that I doubt they ever listen to....what years were they made?

Bucky Badger
04-29-2011, 01:00 AM
I believe from 1976 to 1978 or so.
Maybe you should make them an offer since they never listen to them. Maybe a trade for some 'smaller' speakers they would listen to more often. If you have the room for them and your sig. other approves of course. Heck, you could sneak them into the house and before anyone can say NO, you could turn them on and let the sweet sweet music do the talkin' for ya'.
Just trying to help.

BankShot
04-29-2011, 01:40 AM
This site is amazing...just realized my neighbors have a set of these that I doubt they ever listen to....what years were they made?

If memory serves me, the Andromedas were first introduced sometime during late 1976 but were changed at some point in 1977 to the name Phase III due to some conflicts over the name Andromeda. They were only sold in the various audio shops for a few short years before being discontinued. I bought my first Andromeda system in 1977 and still own it today. I managed to buy a second complete Andromeda system last year. I have never owned a Phase III system. It has some differences to the Andromedas, the main difference being a forward facing lower middle tweeter of a dome design, instead of an upward firing cone as the other four upward firing tweeters in the panels are. My understanding is the highs in the Phase III system are a tad smoother than in the original Andromedas. I did my own "tweak" in this area a few years ago by removing the center tweeter in my Andromedas and turning it to fire forward. If your neighbor does have either the Andromeda III or the Phase III system do you think he may be in the market to sell it? If he is and you aren't interested in buying them, I know somebody that might be interested in them. Where in the western US do you reside? Shipping them is going to be a tough situation due to their size, weight and the way they are designed and built, etc. You on the other hand could simply grab a friend with some strong arms and the two of you could carry them to your house. These are some pretty rare speakers but they aren't for everyone as they require a huge amount of power to make them really come into their own. Plus they take up a fair amount of space as in addition to the two large panels there is also a good sized and fairly heavy separate bass module. They can suck an average sized amp dry quickly, I found this out early on with mine. I think there will be several guys who will be interested to find out more about them so hope you will respond again and bring us up to speed, etc...........

Thanks for the post and the info.............

Regards............Terry:thmbsp::music:

BankShot
04-29-2011, 01:52 AM
Hey Dan - What are you doing up so late? Isn't it past your bedtime? You don't need no more Andromeda/Phase III systems in your house but I could use one more set to keep up with you..............Ha!

Now get to bed.........!!! Terry:thmbsp::music:

vintageblog
05-18-2011, 11:57 AM
Those by all engineering standards are simply incredible. I would jump at the opportunity to aquire these. I have yet to see a set for sale up here in Toronto.
I write http://vintagesound-vintagesound.blogspot.com and there is very little market for these kind of gems. At least compared to your US audio lovers.
Are you still listening to these? Tell me about the clarity and musicallity, as I have never had the pleasure.

BankShot
05-18-2011, 03:27 PM
Those by all engineering standards are simply incredible. I would jump at the opportunity to aquire these. I have yet to see a set for sale up here in Toronto.
I write http://vintagesound-vintagesound.blogspot.com and there is very little market for these kind of gems. At least compared to your US audio lovers.
Are you still listening to these? Tell me about the clarity and musicallity, as I have never had the pleasure.

Hello up there Vintageblog - I am a Vancouverite Canuk but have lived down in the states most of my life. The Andromeda/Phase III systems are really getting hard to find anymore and when a set does show up most of the times it is pretty much thrashed and the cost of shipping and repairs makes them a hard sell/hard buy unless you are very close by the seller. As to their sound I am just ever so slightly biased so if you can contend with that I'll just say their clarity in the mids and highs is so spot on it is almost uncanny how real they do sound. As for the bass it is very tight, clean and deep. That is of course if you are able to drive them with sufficient power to allow them to show it all to you. I currently run two complete Andromeda systems in my listening room as my front mains. Each system is powered by a separate amp but controlled by the same preamp. The bass modules are positioned in opposing corners of an 18x24 foot room and needless to say the bass response is awesome for the lack of a better word. If you ever do run across a set close by and can go check it out do so. If it is in good overall condition with all drivers working as they should and complete with the MCM, by all means grab it if the price is right. You will not be sorry you did. There may be more expensive and newer technology speakers in today's market but the Andromedas will hold their own up against almost anything but the very highest end speakers and most expensive speaker systems of today. Some may wrinkle their brow at me saying that but unless you have heard them set up correctly, you just cannot know how true that statement is.....................

Happy Listening..........Terry:thmbsp::music:

vintageblog
05-18-2011, 04:35 PM
I hope your not cheering for San Jose Terry!
We are all proud of the Canucks and hope they go all the way.
I really appreciate the feedback and you have further described what others have told me that the precision in these Andromeda systems are top shelf. I will post one day when I find a set worthy of restoring.

BankShot
05-18-2011, 07:57 PM
I hope your not cheering for San Jose Terry!
We are all proud of the Canucks and hope they go all the way.
I really appreciate the feedback and you have further described what others have told me that the precision in these Andromeda systems are top shelf. I will post one day when I find a set worthy of restoring.

Nope, I am pulling for the Canucks to win as that is my home town. Hope to be reading a post from you soon telling us about your newly acquired Andromeda/Phase III system purchase. I know you won't be dissappointed. BTW, I own both the Lincoln Mayorga and Thelma Houston vinyls you show on your website and they sound "wonderful" thru the Andromedas...........

Regards...........Terry:thmbsp::music:

vintageblog
05-18-2011, 08:36 PM
Terry, Aren't those wonderful recordings? I'm jealous. I need to hear them through the III's. I have a wonderful pair of Ohm Walsh's and a set of Energy Pro 22's that do the job but it's time to move to a new dimension! Thanks again

waynedb
05-22-2011, 03:50 PM
Those by all engineering standards are simply incredible. I would jump at the opportunity to acquire these. I have yet to see a set for sale up here in Toronto.
I write http://vintagesound-vintagesound.blogspot.com and there is very little market for these kind of gems. At least compared to your US audio lovers.
Are you still listening to these? Tell me about the clarity and musically, as I have never had the pleasure.

I have personally had the pleasure to grow up on an amazing set of the later Phase 3s' that were purchased new by my father in 1980 - when I was one year old. These speakers have been the benchmark for every other speaker I have ever listened to, and they set the bar very high. I acquired mine from my dad last year when he upgraded to a set of Amazings, which is the only other speaker I have ever heard come close to reproducing the sound quality of the Andromedas.
Try to imagine a speaker that is totally non directional, but at the same time puts the vocals and instruments exactly in thier place.. It is a difficult task to try and describe the clarity of the sound that comes from these speakers, and honestly mine are a bit run down compared to what they were new, but they still can perfectly reproduce any type of music they are asked to handle.
I have rotated mine out of the system for a while - since I bought a pair of the piano black Amazings in mint condition a couple of months ago. But when I was running them (Phase 3s) I had them bi-amped and hooked to 2 carver m1.5t amps, they do require loads of power. Funny thing is, when I took the panels out I left the sub in my listening room, and still run it with the Amazings. This is a great setup, you can't beat the room shaking bass that the Andromeda subs have. The Amazings do come close to the Andromedas sound, but they are exremely directional - with only about a 6' wide sweet spot, which is totally opposite of the Andromedas.
Hopefully you will get your hands on a pair, I have only seen serveral sets go by in the last couple of years. And be prepared to get Terrys speaker guy to do some reconning, most of the subwoofers have basket sag from years of gravity pulling down on the downward firing woofers. But if you can find a pair and put a little money in repairing them to factory (or better than factory - Terry) specs, you are going to be in for a great ride. I still can't wait to get home some days, just to listen to my system.

vintageblog
06-05-2011, 11:29 PM
Thanks waynedb for your input. Spoiled since a toddler eh? Nice way to grow up though!

vintageblog
06-08-2011, 03:47 PM
If anyone wants to sell their Andromedas I would love to talk to you. It might take years to find a set in Canada. None available in the past 2 years anyways.

BankShot
06-08-2011, 04:31 PM
If anyone wants to sell their Andromedas I would love to talk to you. It might take years to find a set in Canada. None available in the past 2 years anyways.

vintageblog- I wouldn't imagine there being too many sets of Andromeda/Phase III systems floating around up there in Canada but just the same keep those feelers out, you never know when a set may just turn up. If I run across anything up in the mid northern/atlantic parts of the states I will post you and let you know as shipping them out here to CA would be a nightmare and an expensive one at that. You however could just jump in your pickemup truck and go gettem...........

Continued Good Listening to you...........Terry:thmbsp::music:

vintageblog
06-08-2011, 09:18 PM
vintageblog- I wouldn't imagine there being too many sets of Andromeda/Phase III systems floating around up there in Canada but just the same keep those feelers out, you never know when a set may just turn up. If I run across anything up in the mid northern/atlantic parts of the states I will post you and let you know as shipping them out here to CA would be a nightmare and an expensive one at that. You however could just jump in your pickemup truck and go gettem...........

Continued Good Listening to you...........Terry:thmbsp::music:

That sounds excellent Terry! Be well!

Ken Boyd
10-11-2011, 06:15 PM
I have to agree about the fantastic qualitys of the Phase Linear III speaker system. I purchased a pair just out of interest of the design, as I mainly collect the larger Infinity systems, and I have to admit, my favorite system to listen to is the Phase Linear III's. They won't match my Infintiy RS-1b's in sheer volume and ablity to create a huge sound stage but they sound more refined and the bass is deeper. I almost purchase another pair which were in Atlanta but the auction claimed them to be in very poor shape, with most drivers not working and some not orginal, and they did not have the electronic controller that is suppose to be with them. I should have bought them just for the bass commode as I would like to do like Terry has use two bass Commodes one for each channel and drive them with their own amps.

stevesailor
10-12-2011, 05:36 PM
I will be doing a road trip in two weeks to pick up a set of Andromeda speakers including the woofer (no controller box, though...) that a friend is giving me. They aren't very pretty cosmetically and have some of the dispersion cones broken on the up-firing tweets. I'm hoping I can resurrect them as I'd like to have a listen and decide if I want to keep them or not. We have a very small living space so they may be overkill.

I've heard they need a lot of power to come alive properly. I have the power (yet to be tested) in the form of the Dual 500 Series II amp which the same friend gifted to me to repair a while back. How do the Andromedas sound at lower volumes?

frankxbe
10-12-2011, 05:43 PM
wonder how they sound with a 700b or dual 500

Ken Boyd
10-12-2011, 05:57 PM
Right now I am running them with a single PL 400 II amp, with a Mcintosh C28 preamp. But sometime in the future I will bring my big amp rack which is all Phase Linear in a 8 foot Middle Atlantic rack. At that time I will run them with a pair of PL 700 II bi amped. I also have the PL time delay unit to run a rear pair of speakers, not sure what pair of speakers I will run as rear channels but probably a pair of Infinity QLS-2's. They sound very good at low levels.

BankShot
10-12-2011, 06:49 PM
PL Andromedas and the later model Phase III systems both require an amp with high power and headroom to really make them come alive. I've gone thru several different amps and amp combos to drive mine and found that each time I used a higher power amp this system just got better and better. I've owned them since 1976 and just last year added a second set to my front setup, powering them of course with a separate amp. As I've said several times in previous posts........WOW!!! There may be better but I've yet to hear it. With regards to listening to them a lower levels if you have the amp/amps behind them they sound superb. The bass comes thru very strong and detailed as do the upper octaves. You should be able to find some dispersion cones or have them made by a plastic fabricator as they are there for a reason.........they work and do the job intended of them with an upward firing tweeter. Make sure to check the bass module over good as woofer sag is common after all these years and I can recommend a guy who can recone them for you if needed. He does great work and is out of Sacramento, CA. I've had him do both of my bass modules and am very pleased with the results. One more thing, in addition to requiring a good powerful amp these speakers also require a fairly large room in order to really show off their imaging and presence, etc. These speakers were way ahead of their time when Bob Carver designed them and they will hold their own with just about anything out there today regardless of price. Do I sound prejudice? Of course I am but once you've got them set up and powered correctly they will blow your socks off and more...............

Enjoy, and keep us posted on how you end up setting them up and how you like them. They are addicting and I am thinking you will find out just how addicting they really are.................

Regards, Terry

PS: If you can ever locate an MCM by all means grab it. Some like it, some don't but it does the job intended and gives you the opportunity to tweak the highs, mids and lows to your listening room...........

I will be doing a road trip in two weeks to pick up a set of Andromeda speakers including the woofer (no controller box, though...) that a friend is giving me. They aren't very pretty cosmetically and have some of the dispersion cones broken on the up-firing tweets. I'm hoping I can resurrect them as I'd like to have a listen and decide if I want to keep them or not. We have a very small living space so they may be overkill.

I've heard they need a lot of power to come alive properly. I have the power (yet to be tested) in the form of the Dual 500 Series II amp which the same friend gifted to me to repair a while back. How do the Andromedas sound at lower volumes?

Bucky Badger
10-12-2011, 11:13 PM
Right now I am running them with a single PL 400 II amp, with a Mcintosh C28 preamp. But sometime in the future I will bring my big amp rack which is all Phase Linear in a 8 foot Middle Atlantic rack. At that time I will run them with a pair of PL 700 II bi amped. I also have the PL time delay unit to run a rear pair of speakers, not sure what pair of speakers I will run as rear channels but probably a pair of Infinity QLS-2's. They sound very good at low levels.


Wow. You will really notice a dif. when you put a bit more power to them. Biamping is definitely recommended.
QLS-2's for rears.... Wow.


PS.
Hey Terry,
I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to you lately. I have been in escrow and out of escrow and all points in between. Hope you are well and happy.

stevesailor
10-13-2011, 02:17 AM
@ TSOQ: My listening room is pretty small. My wife and I live in what some would call a "cabin in the woods"... But I still want to get them repaired, hook up the Dual 500 and hear what they sound like. I will keep in mind your offer to hook me up with the fellow who can re-cone the woof if needed. Thanks. I'll keep you fellows posted as things progress.

(If this whole setup is too much for our small place, guess I'll have to find them a new home..:sigh:)

BankShot
10-13-2011, 10:45 AM
STEVESAILOR - Andromedas under power will definitely overpower a small room but they will still sound fine. They definitely need some breathing room to come alive and show off what they are capable of. I'm sure it you find them to be too much for your space you will find a few on this site that will gladly take them off your hands. I live in No. Calif. and have friends that live just north of Vancouver that I visit about once a year so I might possibly take them off your hands to use as a parts system if that worked for you. I hope you do get them working and hooked up with that Dual 500 and like them and enjoy them.............

DAN - Had sent you a couple of PMs and am glad to hear you are still alive and kicking. Sounds like you must be moving, or not moving, or in limbo up there. Whatever is going on I hope you get settled in and hunkered down for the upcoming winter ahead. A good hot toddy on a cold winter night, fire burning in the fireplace and the Andromedas doing their thing. Doesn't get any too much better than that. Well maybe with two hot toddys it would..........Ha!

Regards to both you Washatonians.............Terry

Bucky Badger
10-13-2011, 12:24 PM
I have noticed something interesting.
With the right room and power, these speakers will sing you a very nice song. AND
They seem to sound better and better the more 'hot toddies' I drink.....
:scratch2::D
Ya, right now the wife and I are actively looking for the right room in the right house to set the PL's up in. (it's harder than you might think)
I walk into every house we look at with a few 'must haves' in mind.
1) A room for the Andromedas and 2) Corners for the Khorns.
I'll keep lookin'.
Glad to hear that you are doing well Terry. Sounds like your all set for the winter and your 'Andros' are sounding good to you and the neighborhood. :D

And good luck to you stevesailor. I have had the same problem with not having the right amount of space to really let the speakers do their thing but with the right power, even at low volume, they can sound very nice.
I had the same problem with some broken dispersion cones and when I went up to see Bob at Ritas I asked him what to do.... He told me, " Do you see those paper drinking cups that are sittin' over by the water cooler?" I said yes and he told me to go over there, grab a few, and stick them in the space the broken plastic cones were in....... My(his) point being, if you can't find a stash of the plastic cones, you can make your own.
Keep us posted.

BankShot
10-13-2011, 04:06 PM
Hey there Dan - The guy I bought my second Andromeda system from had them hooked up in a room approx. 11x12 and was running them with a 60 wpc receiver. And they still sounded impressive in that environment. Like many other speaker systems it for sure takes the right combo of amp and room to make them come alive and speak their piece. I get a great kick out of having someone who has never heard a really good system come over. If it isn't at night then I have a nice pair of eye blinders I ask them to wear before they go into the room. I always ask them to bring along their favorite CD. After only a brief minute to two they are always totally blown away by what they hear and by what they haven't heard on that CD before. They all guess that I have some really major bucks tied up in the system and the very few that know something about audio and components, etc. are truly amazed by what they have just listened to. Most never even heard the name PL Andromeda III before. I love it when that happens.........

Sometimes I just want to relax with a glass of wine and listen at low levels to some soothing music and even at some really low levels the bass still comes thru solidly and defined and the sound stage is still there even tho it is subdued quite a bit................

Will be anxious to hear about your new digs once you find the right place and get settled in.............

Regards........Terry

I have noticed something interesting.
With the right room and power, these speakers will sing you a very nice song. AND
They seem to sound better and better the more 'hot toddies' I drink.....
:scratch2::D
Ya, right now the wife and I are actively looking for the right room in the right house to set the PL's up in. (it's harder than you might think)
I walk into every house we look at with a few 'must haves' in mind.
1) A room for the Andromedas and 2) Corners for the Khorns.
I'll keep lookin'.
Glad to hear that you are doing well Terry. Sounds like your all set for the winter and your 'Andros' are sounding good to you and the neighborhood. :D

And good luck to you stevesailor. I have had the same problem with not having the right amount of space to really let the speakers do their thing but with the right power, even at low volume, they can sound very nice.
I had the same problem with some broken dispersion cones and when I went up to see Bob at Ritas I asked him what to do.... He told me, " Do you see those paper drinking cups that are sittin' over by the water cooler?" I said yes and he told me to go over there, grab a few, and stick them in the space the broken plastic cones were in....... My(his) point being, if you can't find a stash of the plastic cones, you can make your own.
Keep us posted.

stevesailor
10-14-2011, 12:10 AM
...right now the wife and I are actively looking for the right room in the right house to set the PL's up in.
I was just thinking something like this yesterday! Remember the stories that used to be told about how the housewife put a new rug down in the living room and then decided nothing matched it? Soon, big bucks were spent for all new furniture, new drapes, new paint, new kithchen cabinets, appliances and counter tops that would "look good" with the new rug? So, can I tell the wife that we gotta get a house that "sounds good" with my new speakers??:D


I had the same problem with some broken dispersion cones and when I went up to see Bob at Ritas I asked him what to do.... He told me, " Do you see those paper drinking cups that are sittin' over by the water cooler?" I said yes and he told me to go over there, grab a few, and stick them in the space the broken plastic cones were in....... My(his) point being, if you can't find a stash of the plastic cones, you can make your own.
Keep us posted.
Good to hear. I figure I can do some fiberglass and epoxy repairs if they're not too trashed. And if they are trashed, I can probably still fix 'em. :thmbsp:

Bucky Badger
10-14-2011, 12:17 AM
I was just thinking something like this yesterday! Remember the stories that used to be told about how the housewife put a new rug down in the living room and then decided nothing matched it? Soon, big bucks were spent for all new furniture, new drapes, new paint, new kithchen cabinets, appliances and counter tops that would "look good" with the new rug? So, can I tell the wife that we gotta get a house that "sounds good" with my new speakers??:D


Yes. :yes:

Bucky Badger
10-14-2011, 12:21 AM
Good to hear. I figure I can do some fiberglass and epoxy repairs if they're not too trashed. And if they are trashed, I can probably still fix 'em. :thmbsp:


Good for you. That's the 'can do' attitude we like around here.

moresound
10-25-2011, 02:08 PM
Hello all, I am brand new here. Have owned Andromedas since 1987. Bought them from my brother, who purchased them new--he switched to Klipschorns, quite the case of apples and oranges. While I like the horns, I think he made a big mistake--have absolutely loved the Andromedas, and cannot see ever parting with them. Driving with a Carver M 500T. I just recently came into a 1.5T, which is not working. I thought I remembered that someone here knew of a former Carver guy who repaired the old stuff--any thoughts would be appreciated.
Also, once I get the 1.5T up and running, I am thinking of using it to drive my Andromeda sub, with the 500T driving the panels. I could go the other way around, but the thought of 350 watts per side driving the sub seems too good to pass up. Thoughts?

BankShot
10-25-2011, 06:59 PM
First off welcome to the AK forum. It is always good to have another PL Andromeda owner in the ranks. First question, do you want to sell yours? Second question, where do you live and do you accept cash? Some of the others involved in this thread and in others pertaining to the Andromedas and Phase III systems will no doubt warn you about me as I am always on the lookout for another set at a good price..............Ha!

I'm with you in that I too will never part with my two sets. Both are currently in use and are what makes up my two channel system. I run both pairs in unison, powered by two separate amps controlled by one single preamp. They sound awesome playing in unison and the bass output from two bass modules in opposing corners of the room also do their thing very, very nicely..............

I have found over the years and by experimenting with several amps both singularly and bi-amped etc. that the more clean power you can feed these puppies, the better they like it and the better they sound. About as close to being at a live performance as it gets IMHO..............

Running the amp combo you mention, for the panels and the bass module should do the trick nicely for you. Let us know how you like it set up that way and the differences you notice in running two amps...............

Regards, Terry

Hello all, I am brand new here. Have owned Andromedas since 1987. Bought them from my brother, who purchased them new--he switched to Klipschorns, quite the case of apples and oranges. While I like the horns, I think he made a big mistake--have absolutely loved the Andromedas, and cannot see ever parting with them. Driving with a Carver M 500T. I just recently came into a 1.5T, which is not working. I thought I remembered that someone here knew of a former Carver guy who repaired the old stuff--any thoughts would be appreciated.
Also, once I get the 1.5T up and running, I am thinking of using it to drive my Andromeda sub, with the 500T driving the panels. I could go the other way around, but the thought of 350 watts per side driving the sub seems too good to pass up. Thoughts?

moresound
10-26-2011, 06:00 PM
Terry,
I live in the burbs of Chicago, but I don't want to sell--good thing you are not asking my wife, like others here, I have received my share of flak for the size of the PLs. We have moved 3 times, each time she is hopeful I will find them a new home--nope! I even pretty much designed a section of my basement in our new home so I would have an appropriate lstening area. I only wish I made it a little wider so I could try to have 2 sets up and running like you do--that must sound incredible.
Joe

SpeakerLabFan
10-26-2011, 07:57 PM
Hello all, I am brand new here. Have owned Andromedas since 1987. Bought them from my brother, who purchased them new--he switched to Klipschorns, quite the case of apples and oranges. While I like the horns, I think he made a big mistake--have absolutely loved the Andromedas, and cannot see ever parting with them. Driving with a Carver M 500T. I just recently came into a 1.5T, which is not working. I thought I remembered that someone here knew of a former Carver guy who repaired the old stuff--any thoughts would be appreciated.Also, once I get the 1.5T up and running, I am thinking of using it to drive my Andromeda sub, with the 500T driving the panels. I could go the other way around, but the thought of 350 watts per side driving the sub seems too good to pass up. Thoughts?

Thanks for signing into the Phase Linear Andromeda owners club thread and sharing your story. :wave:

I can definitely see an apples / oranges comparison between Khorns and Andromedas. I wouldn't choose - would keep both given the chance. ...and my Andromedas aren't going anywhere.

For repairs - you might check out this resource (http://carverservice.com/index.html) if you don't mind shipping your 1.5T out to Washington State.

Ken Boyd
10-26-2011, 08:20 PM
Hey all, sounds like more PL IIIs and andomeda's survived than I figured. I wanted to know a techincal question regarding the best way to run two bass commodes with my PL III's. The bass commodes have two sets of terminals, one set as inputs and the other as ouputs to the panels. I am curious as to how I could run a bass commode and a panel on one channel and another on another channel. I do have a pair of amps and could bi amp them but in order to power both 12" subs in the commode playing one channel I am not sure how I could do that. If I was to take a jumper wire from one input to the other that would probably lower the inpedance to 2 ohms. as I think these are 4 ohm speakers. What would happen if I used two amps one for each channel of music. would their be a problem if I ran both of the two outputs and put them into the single post of a panel? I don't want to mess up my amps! I am not sure I am describing the problem well. Since the commodes have two speakers made to run off two channels and the panels are made to run off one channel I am not sure how to wire them correctly. I am working on getting thise second commode, have a line on a set of PL andomeda's in really bad shape, in fact the commodes don't have the orginal bass drivers. But I will deal with that if I get them. I also would like to have some extra drivers. Knowing my luck they will be in too good of shape to use for parts and I will end up fixing them up. I think my PL III's are probably a better sounding speaker than the older andomeda, because the orginal ones use an extra cone firing speaker in the center and the new version uses an Audax silk dome driver firing forward. That little Audax speaker really puts out the high's right out at ear level. When I first purchased my pair one of them Audax speakers was dead, and you could tell right off the difference from the other panel. I was able to find a pair on ebay so I still have one extra spare. If I get this pair and deceide to part it out, and any of the plastic cones are good, I would be willing to give them and other parts to other PL owners who need them for restoring their systems. I will let you all know if I get them and if their not worth restoring, and I part them out.

I bet Terry yours sounds incredible, and I recall you being one of the first to help me and convince me of how good these sound. Unforunatly these PL III's are probably my smallest set of speakers other than my QLS-2's, I don't have room to run a pair side by side. Between pocket doors, windows and Fireplaces I just don't much free wall spaces not to mention two piano's. But I am going to sqeeze another sub to balance the bass on the opposing wall. Will probably have to turn the gain down on the amps running to bass commodes.

BankShot
10-27-2011, 01:00 AM
Hi Ken - I'm still working on how you want to run those two bass modules but haven't figured it out yet. BTW, the Andromedas are a 6 ohm system if that helps you any. I've sung the praises of the Andromedas for many years but unless a person has actually experienced two sets set up together, being driven with enough clean power, and positioned correctly, it is difficult to try and tell them just how incredible they do sound. I often wondered if Bob C ever tried this? Somehow I don't think he ever did but you never know about Bob. He and those on his team that helped him build the Andromedas were decidedly ahead of their time with regards to the overall presentation of a live performance this system is capable of. I realize at times I must sound like a broken record or an endless loop tape but I am so sold on this system I doubt I will ever find another speaker to duplicate it let alone surpass it for less than triple or quadruple, or more, than what it would cost to purchase if they were being made today. They are simply one of the best speakers ever sold IMHO and I will take that statement to my grave, you can count on it......

We've been blessed with some of your Florida sunshine out here this past couple of weeks but soon, very soon, the snow will start to fall and winter will hit us square on.............

Regards, Terry



I bet Terry yours sounds incredible, and I recall you being one of the first to help me and convince me of how good these sound. Unforunatly these PL III's are probably my smallest set of speakers other than my QLS-2's, I don't have room to run a pair side by side. Between pocket doors, windows and Fireplaces I just don't much free wall spaces not to mention two piano's. But I am going to sqeeze another sub to balance the bass on the opposing wall. Will probably have to turn the gain down on the amps running to bass commodes.

Bucky Badger
10-27-2011, 01:52 AM
I was able to find a pair on ebay so I still have one extra spare. If I get this pair and deceide to part it out, and any of the plastic cones are good, I would be willing to give them and other parts to other PL owners who need them for restoring their systems. I will let you all know if I get them and if their not worth restoring, and I part them out.



That's mighty nice of you Ken.
:thmbsp:

Time-Travel
10-27-2011, 06:57 AM
Would any of you PLIII owners have a mid to get rid of? I have a set of these without the lil module but I have the 2 panels and the bass box, a good start anyway. These were given to me when I picked up a Pio rack system a while back. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks James

Bucky Badger
10-27-2011, 12:22 PM
Do you mean you need the Motion Control Module (MCM) or are you looking for a mid. driver? And congrats on being GIVEN a pair of panels and the sub. Wow.

stevesailor
10-27-2011, 02:18 PM
Just got home last night from a three day trip to pick up my Andromeda III's.:banana:

They're in better shape than I had expected. All the tweeter "scaffolding" is unbroken, though there are some cracks in the dispersion cones -- should be relatively easy to repair them with a little epoxy and fine fiberglass matting...

They're still in the van along with the woofer. I'm hoping to get my wife to help me get them in the house today. I have my fingers crossed that the wife will not be too "cross"..:twak:

I'll eventually be driving them with my PL 3500 pre-amp and Dual 500 Series Two amplifier. First I'll test them with my Sansui to see if any drivers are Tango Uniform. Second, I'll be recapping the cross-overs....

Any advice on cleaning the speaker cloth? I can probably remove and re-staple the cloth without too much hassle. Should I try some kind of spay-on cleaner first? Just remove them and have them dry-cleaned? They appear to have some kind of elastic property to them. I don't want them to shrink and become a pain to refit...

Ken Boyd
10-27-2011, 05:59 PM
They actually have two different mids, two mid base speaker forward facing at the bottom of the panels, and then they have two mids one facing forward and one firing to the rear, which ones are you needing? As far as the MCM, I don't know if I really like the effects of that controller, it seems to have two functions, first it is a simple eq and not a very good one at that, and second it has a control knob which blends the two channels together. I have run the panels with and without the controller and to be honest I usually leave the control knob all the way off, and the eq switches on on the flat setting except the bass I have in on the negative setting. I find the bass a bit boomy in my room, but then again that has a lot to do with the room I have them set up in. I suppose if you had a concrete block or brick home with wall to wall carpet and lots of drapes it might be a different story.

BankShot
10-27-2011, 06:08 PM
Just got home last night from a three day trip to pick up my Andromeda III's.:banana:

Any advice on cleaning the speaker cloth? I can probably remove and re-staple the cloth without too much hassle. Should I try some kind of spay-on cleaner first? Just remove them and have them dry-cleaned? They appear to have some kind of elastic property to them. I don't want them to shrink and become a pain to refit...

Years ago I was going to try and clean the fronts of my panels also but decided instead to dye them black. I liked the looks when they were done and did the same with my second set a week after I got them. I left the rear coverings original just in case someday I want to go back to the "stock look" again. Have you checked into a spray cleaner that might do the trick as I believe there are a few out there that will clean them up nicely..........

Glad you got them home safe and sound and that you are not suffering from any bangs or bruises from the Mrs...............yet! Let us know if you feel the recapping made a difference or not. I have never touched either of my sets but no doubt will at some point. The same guy I used to recone the bass modules and mids does that also so when the time comes, in they will go as I don't feel like messing with them any longer. I be lazy now in me olde age.................Ha!

Regards, Terry

Time-Travel
10-28-2011, 07:03 AM
Do you mean you need the Motion Control Module (MCM) or are you looking for a mid. driver? And congrats on being GIVEN a pair of panels and the sub. Wow.


ok maybe i'm confused, The speaker i'm looking for is the second 1 from the top facing the front, its in a square hole. The guy that gave them to me had replaced it many years ago because his lil one had poked a hole in it.

The guy had them with his pio rack system, He had an sg-9800 eq hooked up, I'm assuming thats why there was no (MCM) It doesn't really bother me that I didn't get the mcm but I always wondered what the sound difference was with it. I had them hooked up to my spec 4 for a while and I really liked them but I thought I needed more power so I hooked them up to one of the ol 1980's and wow they came alive with a few extra watts.

moresound
10-28-2011, 09:59 AM
Thanks for the link--I will check it out, the more I read here, the more anxious I am to run the sub with the 1.5T.
Joe

moresound
10-28-2011, 10:08 AM
Just got home last night from a three day trip to pick up my Andromeda III's.:banana:

They're in better shape than I had expected. All the tweeter "scaffolding" is unbroken, though there are some cracks in the dispersion cones -- should be relatively easy to repair them with a little epoxy and fine fiberglass matting...

They're still in the van along with the woofer. I'm hoping to get my wife to help me get them in the house today. I have my fingers crossed that the wife will not be too "cross"..:twak:

I'll eventually be driving them with my PL 3500 pre-amp and Dual 500 Series Two amplifier. First I'll test them with my Sansui to see if any drivers are Tango Uniform. Second, I'll be recapping the cross-overs....

Any advice on cleaning the speaker cloth? I can probably remove and re-staple the cloth without too much hassle. Should I try some kind of spay-on cleaner first? Just remove them and have them dry-cleaned? They appear to have some kind of elastic property to them. I don't want them to shrink and become a pain to refit...

My cloth was stained badly due to little kids running by with juice cups and the like, at least they never ran into/tipped over the panels, but they knew not to touch daddy's speakers. I found stretch black speaker cloth online years ago, can't recall from where, and recovered them. I opted to place the badge in the middle of the bottom of each panel. They look great, quite modern.
Joe

stevesailor
10-28-2011, 04:31 PM
@ moresound:
The tan cloth on mine have water stains and even a bicycle tire mark from when they were stored in a garage...
I will see how well they clean up with something like Woolite. May also dye them black. I also discovered a useful thread here about acoustically transparent cloth and there appear to be a number of good choices.

Have to do some repairs to them before worrying about the esthetics, though. :o

Ken Boyd
10-28-2011, 10:05 PM
ok maybe i'm confused, The speaker i'm looking for is the second 1 from the top facing the front, its in a square hole. The guy that gave them to me had replaced it many years ago because his lil one had poked a hole in it.

The guy had them with his pio rack system, He had an sg-9800 eq hooked up, I'm assuming thats why there was no (MCM) It doesn't really bother me that I didn't get the mcm but I always wondered what the sound difference was with it. I had them hooked up to my spec 4 for a while and I really liked them but I thought I needed more power so I hooked them up to one of the ol 1980's and wow they came alive with a few extra watts.

I have never seen any Phase Linear III's or Adomeda's with a square hole for a driver, the four up firing lower range hi speakers use a kind of rectangular cutout and the two mids use a round hole. Their is a square cut out for a single tweeter with faces forward on the III model but its right above the two lower mid bass drivers slightly below the halfway point on the panel. You should take a picture of your speakers showing which driver your missing, so if someone can help you better. I am thinking your missing a midrange driver, which there are usually two of, one firing to the rear and one firing forward. Maybe someone replaced one at one time and cut the hole out different to put in an aftermarket midrange driver.

Time-Travel
10-30-2011, 12:07 PM
I have never seen any Phase Linear III's or Adomeda's with a square hole for a driver, the four up firing lower range hi speakers use a kind of rectangular cutout and the two mids use a round hole. Their is a square cut out for a single tweeter with faces forward on the III model but its right above the two lower mid bass drivers slightly below the halfway point on the panel. You should take a picture of your speakers showing which driver your missing, so if someone can help you better. I am thinking your missing a midrange driver, which there are usually two of, one firing to the rear and one firing forward. Maybe someone replaced one at one time and cut the hole out different to put in an aftermarket midrange driver.

Ken, Yes you are correct, At 5:00am everything looks square to me. lol. That is the one I'm looking for. Taking a pic is inpossible right now as they are buried in the back so when I have guest over there not bugging me to sell them.

On another note, I understand these take alot of power to run, I was told that hooking them up to my newly aquired tubage gear was not a good idea. Any thoughts on this? After I move in a few weeks I will finally have my man cave with the space to get to everything. I wanted to try them with my model 9's with my mac gear. :scratch2:

Ken Boyd
10-31-2011, 12:24 PM
You would need a pretty powerful set of tube amps to run these well, maybe 200 watts. Conrad Johnsons or AR amps but you will pay a lot for them. I have ran the PL III's with no problem on a PL 400 and they sound great. A PL 700 would be better. I just got PL Anodmeda's on Saturday, they look pretty beat, but I was able to get the bass commode working although it has a pair of Sansui bass drivers in it. I had to rewire them as they were not even wired that is why they didn't work. I have yet to check out the other drivers. I will update everyone when I get the panels out of the van and check them out.

BankShot
10-31-2011, 12:33 PM
Hi Ken - Shame those Andromedas didn't have the original woofers in the bass module as you could have shipped them out to the guy that reconed mine and had them like new again. At least you've got some panels that can hopefully be used as a parts system as they are becoming pretty difficult to find anymore. Let me know if you think you might want to unload a couple of those diffuser cones for the tweeters, I could use them............ Terry

You would need a pretty powerful set of tube amps to run these well, maybe 200 watts. Conrad Johnsons or AR amps but you will pay a lot for them. I have ran the PL III's with no problem on a PL 400 and they sound great. A PL 700 would be better. I just got PL Anodmeda's on Saturday, they look pretty beat, but I was able to get the bass commode working although it has a pair of Sansui bass drivers in it. I had to rewire them as they were not even wired that is why they didn't work. I have yet to check out the other drivers. I will update everyone when I get the panels out of the van and check them out.

Ken Boyd
10-31-2011, 06:04 PM
Most of the diffuser cones look to be in pretty bad shape but I will see if their are any that might be useable for you. As far as the bass commode, I do have a few extra Watkins dual voice coil 12" drivers I will have to see what caps and electronic I would need to try them in it. The sansui bass speakers don't sound to bad. After having the commodes apart I did see that the mid-hi panels just pass thru the commode so a person doesn't really have to run the panels thru the commodes they can just go straight from their amps to the panels as the panels have their own passive crossovers and filters on them. Two of the mid bass speakers are some other brand as well, but the other two seem ok and are OEM. The four mids are OEM but the surrounds look to be in pretty bad shape, I need one as one of mine the surround is getting kind of soft, and I have yet to find a suitable replacement and am not sure a foam surround will work on them, as they use a cloth surround. I will test all the hi frequency drivers to see how many of them are ok, as spares would be nice and if anyone else needs one I can help them. Don't know about the crossovers either they are both there and seem ok just don't know if they are still working. The panels themself seems to be in good shape and so are the grills, other than a few stains. I saw a listing on ebay for speaker grill cloth that appears to be the same color, don't really need the grills and they are pretty large to ship, but I was thinking I could try and make a modified line source pair of speakers using the panels as I don't think their is enough here to restore these since getting parts for them is most difficult.

stevesailor
11-01-2011, 10:32 PM
..I just got PL Anodmeda's on Saturday, they look pretty beat, but I was able to get the bass commode working although it has a pair of Sansui bass drivers in it. I had to rewire them as they were not even wired that is why they didn't work. I have yet to check out the other drivers. I will update everyone when I get the panels out of the van and check them out.

Another set shows up... :thmbsp: Seems these will be your parts unit, yes? If you do part them out and there are more dispersion cones than TSOQ or you need, I'd be interested as well. Even if they're in bad shape, I could practice some epoxy repairs on them before attempting repairs on mine. Just thinking :scratch2:...

BankShot
11-05-2011, 07:21 PM
STEVESAILOR If you are in need of those diffuser cones KEN BOYD may have a few extras of, go ahead and get them. I only would take a couple to use as spares should anything happen to one of mine or should I lose one, etc. I was missing one off of the second Andromeda system I picked up but the other day while going thru some boxes I found the two original diffusers I took off of two tweeters in my original system when I repositioned them to fire forward, as the newer Phase III system does. So I have all upward firing tweeters "diffused" now and all is well in the world once again......... So Ken, if you're reading this one, STEVESAILOR can take my place in line for any diffusers you might consider giving up........

Regards everyone, Terry

Another set shows up... :thmbsp: Seems these will be your parts unit, yes? If you do part them out and there are more dispersion cones than TSOQ or you need, I'd be interested as well. Even if they're in bad shape, I could practice some epoxy repairs on them before attempting repairs on mine. Just thinking :scratch2:...

stevesailor
11-06-2011, 01:24 AM
So Ken, if you're reading this one, STEVESAILOR can take my place in line for any diffusers you might consider giving up........

Regards everyone, Terry

Thanks Terry! You are a true gentleman!!:yes: PM sent to Ken... If I end up successfully repairing mine, I'll offer up any extras here on AK again. :thmbsp:

BankShot
11-07-2011, 02:55 PM
Not a problem at all. There aren't too many of us Andromeda/Phase III owners around anymore so when we can help each other out like this, that's what it's all about IMHO................

Thanks Terry! You are a true gentleman!!:yes: PM sent to Ken... If I end up successfully repairing mine, I'll offer up any extras here on AK again. :thmbsp:

stevesailor
11-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Ken will be sending me a couple diffusers. Ken, you are also a scholar and a gentleman!:thmbsp:

Ken, nice talking with you the other day!...

SpeakerLabFan
11-13-2011, 12:54 AM
Hi guys. Heads up (and since this is the Dollars and Sense forum), I am seeing a listing on Seattle Craigslist in my neck of the woods for a pair of "Phase Linear Andromeda Speakers". The entire listing is less than descriptive, it's a sentence fragment of 10 words in no-puncuation cell phone style language, with a picture of a pair of the panels. No indication whether this is a complete system with the bass module and EQ.

I have no affiliation, and I'm not really interested in pursuing another pair of Andromedas but I thought I'd mention that I spotted another of these relatively rare speakers. I think you'll find the listing if you search Seattle CL with the quoted string (it's the listing's title).

Ken Boyd
11-13-2011, 09:34 AM
What looks like a very clean, all complete Phase Linear III with controller in Tampa for 350 dollars, I am trying to keep myself from picking them up, please someone here get them! Its on CL. Not mine, and I have no idea who it is.

BankShot
11-13-2011, 03:37 PM
Shame this guy wasn't more specific and detailed in what he has here. From the small photo the panels appear to be in decent shape but it would be nice to see what shape the drivers are in, etc. as well as to know if the bass module and MCM are included. If this set is in good condition and has everything with it, I'd be inclinded to take a drive up there and grab them for myself. If you are able to find out anything more about them could you let us/me know if you feel it would be worth the drive up? Thanks SpeakerLabFan for the heads up on these..............Terry

Hi guys. Heads up (and since this is the Dollars and Sense forum), I am seeing a listing on Seattle Craigslist in my neck of the woods for a pair of "Phase Linear Andromeda Speakers". The entire listing is less than descriptive, it's a sentence fragment of 10 words in no-puncuation cell phone style language, with a picture of a pair of the panels. No indication whether this is a complete system with the bass module and EQ.

I have no affiliation, and I'm not really interested in pursuing another pair of Andromedas but I thought I'd mention that I spotted another of these relatively rare speakers. I think you'll find the listing if you search Seattle CL with the quoted string (it's the listing's title).

Ken Boyd
11-13-2011, 06:26 PM
Here is a pair Terry, the owner states in great condition and it includes all the OEM drivers, bass commodes, and speaker controller, all for 350. A couple of hours drive from my house in Florida.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ele/2671363015.html

You could get UShip.com to ship them for you, I have used them before, in fact my first set of PL III's I had shipped by a person using them.

BankShot
11-13-2011, 07:22 PM
Hey there Ken - I don't have a clue as to what the shipping charges would be from Florida to No. Calif. but I do know it wouldn't be cheap when you calculate the total weight of the entire system. I'd be willing to drive north to the Seattle area and possibly pick up the set SpeakeLabFan mentioned in his post but that's about the limit I'd drive for one. You ought to go grab them yourself and if they are in really good shape, just hold onto them for a while as for almost certain you could find someone to sell them to and make a nice profit for yourself. As I've mentioned in previous posts, these things are getting about as scarce as hen's teeth and finding a complete system in really nice condition is ever a much rarer find. I'd love to find a third system but getting them home at long distances is the problem. On top of that I don't think I'd trust UPS or FedEx with the shipment, I'd rather go with a shipper who is familiar with shipping speakers as fragile as these are. Thanks for the tip however, I hope they end up going to someone who will appreciate them as most of us do..............

Regards, Terry

Here is a pair Terry, the owner states in great condition and it includes all the OEM drivers, bass commodes, and speaker controller, all for 350. A couple of hours drive from my house in Florida.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ele/2671363015.html

You could get UShip.com to ship them for you, I have used them before, in fact my first set of PL III's I had shipped by a person using them.

SpeakerLabFan
11-13-2011, 08:11 PM
If this set is in good condition and has everything with it, I'd be inclinded to take a drive up there and grab them for myself.

Give him a call - phone # is in the listing if memory serves.

Ken Boyd
11-13-2011, 09:10 PM
Hey Terry, I already have about a dozen speaker systems and most of them are quite large at that. The last thing I need is another set of speakers. But trust me it is really bother me that they are still there, I hope someone gets them soon. As far as shipping I have used that shipping method I recommended for quite a few sets of speakers larger than the PL III's and in fact I purchased my PL III's from a person somewhere in the mid west and the shipping was less than two hundred dollars. Lots of people who are in the shipping business are always looking for additional items to backhaul and make a little extra cash. You just list your item at that website include a pic and the dimensions and then people bid on the price to ship your item. You can take what ever bid you feel comfortable with. And they have a feedback system where other people who have used the shippers services leaves comments so you can make sure you don't get someone who will damage them. The PL III's are much safer to transport than the orignal ones as they have a metal bracket to protect the diffuser cones. When I move mine I just shrinkwrap them, lay them on their sides along the wood and put a moving blanket stuffed up on the sides so they won't fall over, works like a champ.

I don't know what they used to make that commode box, but it is one heavy box for only having two speakers in them. When I opened up mine I didn't see that much bracing in them, but I hate moving them they are heavy. Have to put pads under the feet on mine so I don't scratch the wood floors.

Bucky Badger
11-14-2011, 09:40 PM
I saw that ad on the Tampa CL Ken and boy that WOULD be tempting. 350.00 for a complete set.....WOW..... I admire your self control sir.
Top notch, Top Notch.

Bucky Badger
11-15-2011, 01:42 PM
I spoke to the seller up in Seattle today and asked him a bunch of questions when he was standing in front of them. First off, there is no sub or MCM with these panels. He said that all of the plastic cones look good. 1 of the 4" backward facing mids has a bad surround and all of the drivers appear to be working. He played some music through them and put his hear up to each driver.... The Xovers looks clean and nothing is hanging off of them. He has tan grill covers that he says are in ok-good condition but do not have their badges.
You probably don't want to make the drive up here for these Terry but maybe you stevesailor would be interested. I asked him if he would accept less than his asking price and he said that he would. I will send a PM to you steve with my # if you want to find out what he would accept.

stevesailor
11-16-2011, 05:46 PM
I just got back from picking up the Andromeda III's from the Seattle CL seller, thanks to the heads up from SpeakerLabFan and the phone footwork of Bucky Badger. :thmbsp:

As mentioned, he only had the panels. But the drivers all look to be in reasonably good shape except for the one surround and a few breaks on a couple cones. I will now be able to put together at least one operational pair and still have another pair as a parts-donor pair (if not also operational...). :yes:

Thanks very much fellas!:beerchug:

BankShot
11-16-2011, 06:23 PM
Howdy Dan -I kind of figured that this would be the situation, no bass module and no MCM and the drive up would have been basically just to have a few "extras" as spares, etc. Fortunately stevesailor can use these and I am happy that he was able to go grab them. Nice to see somebody benefit from the forum like this. A phone call here and a PM there and we all benefit at one time or another. Hey stevesailor -Hope you are able to make up one really good working set from everything you have now. I've still got my eyes open for a set to come up for sale down in my neck of the woods again as I will be on it like mold on cheese for certain................

Regards, Terry

I spoke to the seller up in Seattle today and asked him a bunch of questions when he was standing in front of them. First off, there is no sub or MCM with these panels. He said that all of the plastic cones look good. 1 of the 4" backward facing mids has a bad surround and all of the drivers appear to be working. He played some music through them and put his hear up to each driver.... The Xovers looks clean and nothing is hanging off of them. He has tan grill covers that he says are in ok-good condition but do not have their badges.
You probably don't want to make the drive up here for these Terry but maybe you stevesailor would be interested. I asked him if he would accept less than his asking price and he said that he would. I will send a PM to you steve with my # if you want to find out what he would accept.

Bucky Badger
11-16-2011, 07:21 PM
Glad it worked out for ya stevesailor. Thanks for the heads up SLF. With all of us looking out for ya you are sure to get another pair Terry.

SpeakerLabFan
11-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Great to hear about the rescue and reuse of these. :banana::thmbsp:

These are special speakers, as anyone knows when they get a chance to hear these. A comment that I read recently -

"there are few speakers that can deliver a 'wall of sound' like the Andromeda can!."

Keep us posted on your progress, stevesailor.

stevesailor
11-19-2011, 04:11 PM
Last night I set up the "rescued" Andromedas to give a test listen. I hooked them up direct rather than through the subwoofer. Even with the bad surround on one speaker, they sounded astoundingly good. I drove them with my Sanui G-8700DB and had to crank the volume knob a bit higher than usual to get them to even "wake up" to a relatively low listening level. I put on Eric Clapton's EC Was Here and then JJ Cales Naturally. All I can say is WOW.. (I hadn't yet listened to my previous pair due to needed repairs...)

I'm a noob as far as evaluating speakers and knowing the right terms to use. In my ignorance I'd say I experienced the music "in my face" rather than coming out of speakers. It took a while for my ears to appreciate this "aggressive presentation" but, man, it quickly became addictive... Even the wife found them impressive. :thmbsp:

I can only imagine what they will sound like with the one driver repaired/replaced and the woofer hooked up. I'll be "swapping and repairing" when time allows. :D

Audio Fan
11-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Must be a sudden fire sale on these. Another pair here locally hit our CL (no affil).

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/2710627029.html

stevesailor
11-19-2011, 04:57 PM
Great price, too! :yes:

OK, couple questions. I was reading the owners manual for these and it says the stands are tilted back to aid dispersion. Anyone know what the stock angle is? Also, it talks about wood trim pieces to cover the metal legs sticking out the front. I've never seen pics of those. Anyone have pics? (I may want to make some eventually.)

BankShot
11-19-2011, 06:31 PM
stevesailor - Congrats on getting those panels up and running. In reading your post I didn't quite understand something. You said you hooked them up direct and not thru the bass module. Do I take it that you didn't even use the bass module and were just listening to the panels alone? If so, wait till you get the bass module running with them, it's a whole new ballgame then. Also, if you can buy, borrow or steal a nice big high wattage amp like a PL700, Crown or other monster amp, those puppies will really open up for you and come alive. They love to gobble up power and they can take it too..........

I think I may have a pic of those wooden trim pieces you asked about in your other post. PM me with your email address if you want and I'll send you that pic that shows them. Should be fairly easy to make a set if you're handy with a saw, glue and some stain. Finishes off the panels and covers up those ugly looking metal feet that stick out. Also as to the degree of tilt, I don't remember ever seeing a specific tilt angle ever mentioned or shown by PL but just from looking at both my sets, they are only tilted back very slightly, maybe 3 to 5 degrees? One of the panels on my second set was bent a tad when I got it home so I simply went at with a 20lb hammer and got it back to where it should be again...........Ha! Seriously, you have to unscrew the screws that hold it onto the frame and bend it or straighten it and then tighten it all up again..........

If you weren't using your bass module, let us know how it all sounds once you do. The PL Andromeda/Phase III is really fine system, one that continues to amaze and impress to this day just about anyone who listens to it. A true "wall of sound" and capable of reproducing a sound stage that takes a back seat to no other speaker IMHO. I have found over the years that on just about any piece of music or music source, you just flat out cannot "see" the speakers or where the music is coming from. Enjoy.........

Regards, Terry

PS: What's your first name? All us PL Andromeda/Phase III owners have first names............Ha!:music::thmbsp:

BankShot
11-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Hey Audio Fan - If I lived anywhere near the Raleigh area I'd be in my truck so fast and on my way to pick those puppies up before someone else grabs them. From the pics they look to be in pretty good shape with no nicks or gouges on the bass module and panels that are at least clean and not full of holes or tears, etc. $200 for a set of these is a steal! In fact it could be considered to be "taking advantage of some poor soul who has no idea of what he has".................. Go Gettem.....!!!

Regards, Terry:thmbsp::music:

Must be a sudden fire sale on these. Another pair here locally hit our CL (no affil).

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/2710627029.html

Bucky Badger
11-19-2011, 07:29 PM
:yes::yes::yes:

BankShot
11-19-2011, 07:33 PM
Hey SpeakerLabFan - Did you ever in your wildest dreams think that when you posted this original post, it would receive just over 13,000 views and with this one, 205 responses............? Well, if there weren't very many folks "familiar with these" then, there sure are now.......... Great post, lots of great responses from some really fine folks...........

I'll close this one by saying.........."Man want Turkey"...............

Regards, Terry

I'm looking at a set of these speakers later this afternoon, and I'm interested in comments from anyone who is familiar with these speakers. Described as a 4-way system with 2 (very large) flat panels, a sub, and something called a motion controlled module, or active equalizer. From the limited information I can get on the web, these sound like a unique set of speakers. :music:

It sounds like these speakers like to have a bit of juice - described as very inefficient on the phase tek site. Any suggestions, caveats, things to look for? I've attached a couple of pics from the auction site. thanks. :thmbsp:

stevesailor
11-19-2011, 08:37 PM
stevesailor - ..... Do I take it that you didn't even use the bass module and were just listening to the panels alone? If so, wait till you get the bass module running with them, it's a whole new ballgame then. Yep, no woof! I hope to get it wired up soon for a test as well.
Also, if you can buy, borrow or steal a nice big high wattage amp like a PL700, Crown or other monster amp, those puppies will really open up for you and come alive. They love to gobble up power and they can take it too..........
I have a Dual 500 Series II that I think will do the job..:yes: It's not in my rack right yet so, another "test" coming up soon!

I think I may have a pic of those wooden trim pieces you asked about in your other post. PM me with your email address if you want and I'll send you that pic that shows them. Thanks, done.

As to the tilt, the original set I had were completely vertical. This second set was bent back to where they were teetering. I've now bent them back to about 5 degrees. Seems to be just about right.


PS: What's your first name? All us PL Andromeda/Phase III owners have first names............Ha!:music::thmbsp:
Hmmm... :D
Cheers,
Steve

Audio Fan
11-19-2011, 10:01 PM
Hey Audio Fan - If I lived anywhere near the Raleigh area I'd be in my truck so fast and on my way to pick those puppies up before someone else grabs them. From the pics they look to be in pretty good shape with no nicks or gouges on the bass module and panels that are at least clean and not full of holes or tears, etc. $200 for a set of these is a steal! In fact it could be considered to be "taking advantage of some poor soul who has no idea of what he has".................. Go Gettem.....!!!

Regards, Terry:thmbsp::music:

Well, strictly on your advice, I sent them an email. :thmbsp:

I am sure too late. We are in the process of selling our home, so have tried to focus on moving things out vs adding to the collection. I have most things already packed up. We'll see what happens.

Ken Boyd
11-19-2011, 10:26 PM
Hey all, I would bet they still have them, for some reason people just don't seem to hop to fast to get these. I have passed up several sets just because I have to many speakers and not enough amp racks to power what I have. I need to concentrate on getting some TOTL amps, preamps, and sources for a few speakers I already have, and to be honest I have enough to put a big rack and big speaker system in everyroom. I guess I could get one more set for the bathroom.

I was changing out some gear in my rack and mess up, wired up all the gear and forgot one thing the output wires from the Speaker motion controller to the amps I turned in on and it sounded like a fire alarm in my home, really loud hi pitch screaming. I hurried up and killed the power, but when I fired up the panels I only had sound to the two bass commodes. I blew both fuses to the hi panels. I don't know why it made that noise just because I didn't have any input cables on the amps. Replaced the fuses seems all the drivers are ok, scared the heck out me.

I recently got a good deal, I hope if it is in good shape on a Phase Linear turntable. It is on its way. And today I for some reason purchased another PL amp, a PL 400 II, it has no output but looks very clean, and it doesn't blow fuses, just no output. I figured it to be my other amp for the other channel on my PL III's. I will run the two panels and two commodes on a pair of PL 400 II's, one channel driving one bass commode, and one panel and the other amp driving the other commode and the other panel.

And Steve it will really add the extra deminsion of depth when you add that bass commode, some really tight deep low bass. I find the bass on these speakers almost sub bass, maybe lacking in the lower mid bass but not in the deep bass.

Bucky Badger
11-19-2011, 10:32 PM
I was changing out some gear in my rack and mess up, wired up all the gear and forgot one thing the output wires from the Speaker motion controller to the amps I turned in on and it sounded like a fire alarm in my home, really loud hi pitch screaming. I hurried up and killed the power, but when I fired up the panels I only had sound to the two bass commodes. I blew both fuses to the hi panels. I don't know why it made that noise just because I didn't have any input cables on the amps. Replaced the fuses seems all the drivers are ok, scared the heck out me.


:yikes: I hate when they do that.

Glad it was only the fuses.

nolasally
11-21-2011, 10:53 PM
I picked these up today! Unfortunately they have to go into storage until I move into larger home. Currently 800sq ft. These are amazing 9 speakers per panel. The mids need foam/paper surrounds replaced. Woofers are rubber surrounds. These came complete with sub and module! I plan on running these with a pair of Carver pro audio PM-350 I have been saving up. Pics only of sub. Cant drag the panels in the house with out wifey blowing a gasket. The best 200.00 I have ever spent!!!! The original owner won them from a stereo shop raffle in the late 70's.

SpeakerLabFan
11-21-2011, 11:04 PM
Thanks for posting about picking up those PL Andromedas listed in NC, and congratulations. :thmbsp:

It should be easy enough to put new surrounds on the mids, and then do yourself a favor and give these a listen with some favorite program material. Maybe hook them up when the wife is out for the day. Even in a small room - no placement fussiness with these, and you will be on stage with the musicians. :music:

Audio Fan
11-21-2011, 11:28 PM
:lmao:

I had a feeling....:D

Congrats! Now, just make some standing room over there so we can gather round to hear them!!

mech986
11-22-2011, 12:21 AM
Congrats on the NC pickup! Does anyone have some detailed pics of the panels with their drivers? I remember them in another thread but am having some trouble finding it.

Boy, you guys are gonna be the PL Andromeda fan club (as opposed to the Sumo Andromeda, which BTW, would be a nice combo of speakers and amp) and flush these systems out of the woodwork where they've been hiding. :banana::tresbon::thmbsp:

The Andromeda - 200W/ch @ 8ohms. The later Andromeda II was a Mosfet design after Jim Bongiorno's departure, not nearly as easy to find or fix.
http://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/666Sumo_Andromeda.jpg
http://www.fingerpick.com/sumo/sumo03.jpg
http://www.fingerpick.com/sumo/sumo02.jpg
http://www.fingerpick.com/sumo/sumo07.jpg

SpeakerLabFan
11-22-2011, 12:41 AM
Congrats on the NC pickup! Does anyone have some detailed pics of the panels with their drivers? I remember them in another thread but am having some trouble finding it.


Ken had a good detailed pics on page 5 of this thread of his PL IIIs, here's one of the pics...


http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab252/millenniumpower/KENNYSPICS962-1.jpg

and a shot of the rear on one of my (earlier vintage) Andromeda panels with the rear facing driver...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/speakerlabfan/IMAGE_00447.jpg[

Bucky Badger
11-22-2011, 01:12 AM
Congrats on a great score. 200 for the panels and sub and MCM.......
All I can think of to do is :banana:

Man that is some piece of iron mech986

Bluesq
11-22-2011, 02:09 AM
I have a matched set of these. They're the newer Phase III models with the midrange in the middle. I don't know what it is - there's nothing outstanding just a bunch of drivers attached in different directions to particle board it almost looks like an experiment...but my god do they sound good. Live music especially. Some tracks are just haunting.

BankShot
11-22-2011, 12:16 PM
I've owned mine since 1976 and have thought that very same thing many times over the years. They really are nothing special to look at. No separate enclosure for the mid bass or mids, etc., the drivers are simply attached to a piece of particle board with some firing forward, one backwards, and the others firing upward. Who'd a thunk this thing would produce sound such as it does. I certainly didn't when I first saw them with the panel screens removed. But boy do they!!! And more!!! They will make a believer out of you real quick like and as you stated, live performance stuff is astounding to listen to thru them. An acoustic guitar sounds so real I sometimes have to open my eyes to make sure I haven't been transported to the place it is being played. Just last night I listened to one of my all time favorite CDs, "Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live", and I WAS THERE............

Happy Holiday to everyone..........Terry:thmbsp::music:

I have a matched set of these. They're the newer Phase III models with the midrange in the middle. I don't know what it is - there's nothing outstanding just a bunch of drivers attached in different directions to particle board it almost looks like an experiment...but my god do they sound good. Live music especially. Some tracks are just haunting.

Bucky Badger
11-22-2011, 01:40 PM
And a big Happy Thanksgiving to you Terry and all of you guys. Let's keep that music playing

stevesailor
11-22-2011, 02:02 PM
nolasally: Wow, the full shebang for $200 bucks! Great score, even if you have to wait a while for the new, Andromeda-friendly house! :thmbsp:
If you get to replacing your surrounds before I do, it would be great to hear where you got the surrounds and how the process turns out.

BankShot
11-22-2011, 03:49 PM
Just a short one here to let you newer Andromeda/Phase III fans know that if you need re-coning or even just re-edging done on your systems I have a source here in the Sacramento area that I highly recommend. He did all my mids and both Bass modules and did a incredible job. He got my bass mods down to 21 Hz, a tad below where they'd go from the factory. His pricing is very reasonable and turnaround time is about 3-4 days normally.............

Terry:thmbsp::music:

Ken Boyd
11-22-2011, 06:14 PM
Hey Terry, just wondering what material they used on the mid range, the one with the brown cloth surround.

BankShot
11-22-2011, 08:49 PM
Hey Terry, just wondering what material they used on the mid range, the one with the brown cloth surround.

Hi Ken - I actually just had the mids re-edged as the cones themselves were all in good shape. The guy tried to locate the same cloth surround that was used new but couldn't so he used a really high end foam instead after getting my approval. I got them home and did notice a slight difference in the sound they produced. Not a bad difference just not quite as smooth as I had been use to hearing. I called the guy and he told me to give them a few hours playing time and they should smooth out, which they did. I think possibly my ears also having just adapted to the new sound a bit too, but for what it's worth they really do sound very, very good to me and I am a critical SOB when it comes to my sound. I was hoping that he would be able to get his hands on the cloth surrounds but had to settle for these. That's one of the big issues with owning this system. Drivers that work and will produce that open, airy Andromeda sound are really getting hard to come by anymore. That's why I continue my search for yet another full system in order to have some spare stuff in my cupboard should I need it. I tried buying 8 brand new Peerless mids from the UK a while back and found a guy that said he had them. Then I did some checking on him and it turned out he was a scam artist. Peerless has long ago discontinued making the mids that are used in the Andromedas but there probably are a few here and there still floating around new in their boxes, etc. I keep my eyes and ears open for them to show up on Ebay, CL or some of the other audio websites..................

I really do recommend the guy I used as he does fine work and you can ship directly to him and know you are going to get a first class job done. I'd sure use him again.................

Enjoy your Thanksgiving holiday down there in the Sunshine State.... Terry

Ken Boyd
11-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Thanks, Terry as I have tried in vain to find that cloth to replace all the surrounds on my mids. I have found a manufactor of what appears to be very much like them but they sell to manufactors of speakers not to individuals. And I was worried that the foam or rubber surrounds would not support the voice coils in the center of the motor. I have one that is not torn but that cloth is getting kind of gooy, and on some passages I can hear the speaker have a buzz. I can touch it just so slightly and it goes away. I rotated it 90 degrees and it has gone away, but I know its just a matter of time. When I am ready I will get with you and get the guys adress and ship hime a few to repair off that panel that I just purchased, they all work but they are soft too.

Ken Boyd
11-22-2011, 09:56 PM
By the way I just got hold of guy that has a Yamaha PX2 for sale and I am suppose to be able to pick it up on Sunday. I think those are suppose to be pretty good TT, I will hopefully be able to give everyone a reveiw between it and the Phase Linear PL 800, not that I am any authority of TT but I will give it my best shot. That is if the deal works out and that PL turntable arrives in playable condition. According to the tracking it might be here tommorow, but I am leaving for the week end to go to Florida, maybe I will take it with me and hook it up to my big PL rack and test it on the Big Infinity QLS-1's. When I get back here after the weekend I will use the Phase Linear TT on my PL III's and use the Yamaha TT on my Infinity RS-1a's.

mech986
11-23-2011, 04:30 AM
is the mid a peerless KO40MRF enclosed back midrange (also numbered 122 MF 26/72 SP and 821385 when Peerless was in America)? IIRC, didn't these have a foam type surround as OEM? They may not break down like regular foams because they had a very thin plastic coating or doping on them originally which probably has extended their life a lot. And the surround were all concave when viewed from the front.

Do they have these dimensions on the surround?
DIMENSIONS OF SURROUND

A: 103 MM, OUTER DIAMETER OF SURROUND
B: 93 MM, WHERE THE ROLL STARTS
C: 76 MM, WHERE THE ROLL ENDS
D: 69 MM, INNER DIAMETER OF THE SURROUND

Just trying to understand if there are good sources for surrounds for possible repair. This particular midrange was used on the Gale 401's, some IMF and Infinity, and Dahlquist speakers, as well as a number of British and European speakers and DIY designs.

There are pics of the mid and a foam repair on the Vintage Gale website, look in Gallery 1 and 2:
http://www.vintagegale.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=11

Also here:
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showpost.php?p=913727&postcount=67

HomerJSimpson
11-23-2011, 08:16 AM
That foam look alot like a Bose 901 foam.....

Ken Boyd
11-23-2011, 11:46 AM
is the mid a peerless KO40MRF enclosed back midrange (also numbered 122 MF 26/72 SP and 821385 when Peerless was in America)? IIRC, didn't these have a foam type surround as OEM? They may not break down like regular foams because they had a very thin plastic coating or doping on them originally which probably has extended their life a lot. And the surround were all concave when viewed from the front.

Do they have these dimensions on the surround?
DIMENSIONS OF SURROUND

A: 103 MM, OUTER DIAMETER OF SURROUND
B: 93 MM, WHERE THE ROLL STARTS
C: 76 MM, WHERE THE ROLL ENDS
D: 69 MM, INNER DIAMETER OF THE SURROUND

Just trying to understand if there are good sources for surrounds for possible repair. This particular midrange was used on the Gale 401's, some IMF and Infinity, and Dahlquist speakers, as well as a number of British and European speakers and DIY designs.

There are pics of the mid and a foam repair on the Vintage Gale website, look in Gallery 1 and 2:
http://www.vintagegale.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=11

Also here:
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showpost.php?p=913727&postcount=67

That second link is a pic of them.

BankShot
11-23-2011, 12:12 PM
From all I've been able to learn over the years, the KO4OMRF/M22 is the midrange that was used in the Andromedas and I believe also in the Phase IIIs. Both are no longer made by Peerless and are very hard to come by. In the past I've seen one or two come up for sale and there may be a source somewhere that may still have some in their old stock dept. but I haven't found that source as yet. The nice thing is that this mid can be both re-coned and/or re-edged and it will sound every bit as good as the original does with just a very slight difference that your ear won't even detect after a few hours playing time. The mid bass and woofers in the bass module can easily repaired or replaced still and in the case of the bass module, if you find someone who knows what they are doing, the bass module can be nicely re-coned and tweaked to go even lower than it did stock from PL.

Really nice that there is a band of us here on this forum that can help each other when the need arises. We be small in numbers but we be BIG in sound...............

I can smell the bird baking in the oven and it isn't even tomorrow yet.....

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone..........Terry :beerchug:

mech986
11-23-2011, 06:28 PM
That second link is a pic of them.

From all I've been able to learn over the years, the KO4OMRF/M22 is the midrange that was used in the Andromedas and I believe also in the Phase IIIs. Both are no longer made by Peerless and are very hard to come by. In the past I've seen one or two come up for sale and there may be a source somewhere that may still have some in their old stock dept. but I haven't found that source as yet. The nice thing is that this mid can be both re-coned and/or re-edged and it will sound every bit as good as the original does with just a very slight difference that your ear won't even detect after a few hours playing time. The mid bass and woofers in the bass module can easily repaired or replaced still and in the case of the bass module, if you find someone who knows what they are doing, the bass module can be nicely re-coned and tweaked to go even lower than it did stock from PL.

Really nice that there is a band of us here on this forum that can help each other when the need arises. We be small in numbers but we be BIG in sound...............

I can smell the bird baking in the oven and it isn't even tomorrow yet.....

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone..........Terry :beerchug:

Thanks for the confirmation. My mistake, the Infinity midranges that I've checked so far are Philips branded and bear a superficial resemblance due to the hexagonal frame and subchamber.

There is a pair of KO40MRF's out of Australia, search for item 190604189811. Shipping is some $$ though but if you need a spare...

Sounds like the tweeters aren't hard to find though?

Bucky Badger
11-26-2011, 04:43 AM
Looks like a pair of panels and the subwoofer are up on Louisville CL for 225.00. They look to be missing some parts but maybe he would let them go for a lot less???

Just FYI and no afil.

BankShot
11-26-2011, 06:37 PM
These things are starting to come out of the woodwork all of a sudden! I couldn't find the ones you mentioned Dan but I only checked the past two days. Or perhaps I just overlooked them. I check CL down here in the Sacramento area every so often but have yet to turn up a set on it. I keep hoping tho. Sure would like to run across another set as nice as the one I picked up last year. I really lucked out on that one.............

Regards, Terry

Looks like a pair of panels and the subwoofer are up on Louisville CL for 225.00. They look to be missing some parts but maybe he would let them go for a lot less???

Just FYI and no afil.

stevesailor
11-30-2011, 04:51 PM
On "ePrey" right now there is a fellow listing all the drivers from a set of Andromedas, including the bass drivers and the tweeter dispersion cones. Some of the drivers look to be in poor shape, but if you're willing to repair them, they might be of interest. Just search for Phase Linear and you should find the listing.
No affil...

Bucky Badger
12-01-2011, 03:01 AM
Thanks for the heads up Steve.

BankShot
12-01-2011, 03:05 AM
It's after midnight Dan, shouldn't you be in bed.................? Ha!

How did you survive all the rain going on up there lately...........?

Regards, Terry

Ken Boyd
12-01-2011, 12:05 PM
Second on that heads up, I can really use those to bass drivers to replace the Sansui ones that are in the second commode that I purchased, hope they don't go to high as it looks like most of the other drivers are pretty bad off. That shipping seems very high to me.

Bucky Badger
12-01-2011, 01:08 PM
128.00 to ship ???? Seems high to me also. Good luck Ken, hope they don't go to high in price.
I went to bed right after my last post Terry. Picked up a pair of Chorus II's and have been burning the midnight oil on some listening sessions. Thanks...
It has been raining up here quite a bit lately. Cold as well. What can I say, it's a beautiful place to live. While you, Ken and others are basking in the sun, those of us fortunate enough to live up here are slowly rusting away.

BankShot
12-01-2011, 01:44 PM
Ken - If you work out a deal on these drivers and need to get them re-coned, etc., as I mentioned prior, just let me know and I'll put you in touch with my guy out here...............

Regards, Terry:thmbsp::music:

Second on that heads up, I can really use those to bass drivers to replace the Sansui ones that are in the second commode that I purchased, hope they don't go to high as it looks like most of the other drivers are pretty bad off. That shipping seems very high to me.

BankShot
12-01-2011, 01:53 PM
I've seen those Chorus II's and they are one very nice sounding speaker. Great find Dan. I wish I had held onto my last, and original, set of Rec III's but at the time I was no longer using them and I didn't have a place to store them, etc. Got my money back on them from what I paid for them new. Hope you enjoy many good listening hours in front of those Chorus II's.................

We be basking in sun today but unfortunately we have high winds and some icy cold temps along with them. Time to fire up the SAE P500 and the two PL 400s and light up the Andromedas whilst the fire be a burnin' in the fireplace. Bottoms up.........:thmbsp::music:

128.00 to ship ???? Seems high to me also. Good luck Ken, hope they don't go to high in price.
I went to bed right after my last post Terry. Picked up a pair of Chorus II's and have been burning the midnight oil on some listening sessions. Thanks...
It has been raining up here quite a bit lately. Cold as well. What can I say, it's a beautiful place to live. While you, Ken and others are basking in the sun, those of us fortunate enough to live up here are slowly rusting away.

stevesailor
12-01-2011, 02:30 PM
128.00 to ship ???? Seems high to me also. Good luck Ken, hope they don't go to high in price.
...
It has been raining up here quite a bit lately. Cold as well. What can I say, it's a beautiful place to live. While you, Ken and others are basking in the sun, those of us fortunate enough to live up here are slowly rusting away.

I thought the shipping was too high also. Maybe an email to the guy might get him to recheck actual costs...

As for the weather up here in the "Great NorthWet", just remember: Pacific NorthWet Monsoon Season runs from January 1st to December 31st!! :D

Bucky Badger
12-01-2011, 02:42 PM
:grnbounce

WoooHooo

Ken Boyd
12-01-2011, 06:12 PM
It was warm in Florida for the holiday, but here in Georgia is pretty cool, right about freezing at night and mid 50's for the high. It is pretty hard to get use to as this old house is to large for me to afford heating any rooms other than a few, for now anyway. Yeah for the price the guy wants for shipping he must be adding a lot for packing labor. The price he wants for shipping I can get an entire system complete. All I really need is the two bass drivers, but a few of the mid bass spares would be good as I need two if I want to restore that last set of panels i purchased.

I have a real mixed up group of equipment right now set up just for putting time on the Yamaha TT that I got. A Sansui CA2000 preamp, a Phase Linear 300 II amp, the Yamaha PX2 TT, and for speaker duty, a pair of Infinity QLS-5's, but to be honest, they all sound great together. If it wasn't as cool as it is right now I would go get the QLS-2's that are in the van and bring them in and start messing with them. They were ones I purchased for spares, but unfortunetly they were in to good of shape to part out, so now I need to restore them. I think I have enough spares to get them all working. Yeah Terry that one bass driver has a tear in the cone, don't think I could live with that, even though you can't see it, I know its there.

BankShot
12-02-2011, 12:32 PM
I did see that tear in that one bass driver. You could probably do a patch repair on it but I would bet that there is more going on with them than just that tear after all these years. You'll know more once you have them in hand, if you do get them. I'd be calling UPS/FedEx and asking them how much shipping would be to your place as that charge being quoted seems a tad high to me too. Good luck with this, hope you can get them and use them as needed. I continue to keep my eyes and ears open for us all. A few more have surfaced recently but the ones in really nice condition are commanding some fairly decent money now. I keep hoping to run across a garage sale and see a set with a "$50 buys all" on it. And find out they've been stored away for 30 years in a nice cozy insulated room. Yeah, like that is going to happen...............Ha!

Happy Holidays! I can visualize you on Christmas day sitting out by the pool with a margarita or (?) firmly in hand, sun shining brightly above and music coming out from the screen door to the listening room. And here I'll be, watching the snow covering my driveway, hot mug of something in hand and not listening to any music because the power has gone out...........

Regards, Terry:thmbsp::music:



Yeah Terry that one bass driver has a tear in the cone, don't think I could live with that, even though you can't see it, I know its there.

Ken Boyd
12-02-2011, 06:41 PM
Maybe you should invest in a small genset that you can use to run power to your PL sound system, they sound great when the lights are out with just candle light.

BankShot
12-03-2011, 07:31 PM
:lmao:Good one Ken! I be one step ahead of you tho. Already have a 5,500Kw generator but only use it to power up the fridge, stove, MW and a few other needed appliances. You've given me a good idea, who needs a fridge and MW when you can be enjoying music.........right? As for the candle light, got you there too on that one I think. I burn those "big Muthas" that smell like the scent of fresh burned electrical wiring. Allows me to feel like the electricity is frying the innards of my Andromedas.:nono:

Don't pay any attention to me Ken, I've been out raking and burning leaves and pine needles all day long and I think the smoke:smoke: must have gotten to me a bit. Really had a nice listening session last night. I think I must have really shaken up the neighborhood when I put on Nils Lofgren with the volume up a tad more than I normally have it. My neighbor across the street asked me today if I had a live group playing at my house last night and I told him yes, just a few of my close guitar playing friends. He said next time to invite him over as he liked the music they played. Now I have to figure out how to tell him I lied to him...........:scratch2::nono::naughty:

Cheers to you:beerchug:

Terry:thmbsp::music:


Maybe you should invest in a small genset that you can use to run power to your PL sound system, they sound great when the lights are out with just candle light.

Bucky Badger
12-03-2011, 09:17 PM
That's a really good testimonial as to how the Andromedas sound Terry.
Maybe your neighbor will bring the beer the next time you have a live concert in your house.....:lmao:

Ken Boyd
12-03-2011, 11:19 PM
Just tell him that you recorded the session and invite him to come listen to them on your Andromedas.:music:

Ken Boyd
12-03-2011, 11:30 PM
By the way I got both the Phase Linear PL 8000 II, and the Yamaha PX2, all just kicking butt, They both sound so different probably because of the different cartridges and systems they are being used on, but they both sound so good. I just finished replacing the spring seats from that link I posted, all the rumble is now gone. Not sure that was the problem as I also worked on the tone arm height as well as the tracking wieght. Cleaned it all out, cleaned the rails, works like new. Not really sure which one I like the most to be honest. But its nice to finally get the PL TT to go with my PL equipment. I have another amp coming to run my other bass commode with, as currently I have been using a Crown com tech 400 to power it, while the rest of the panels and other commode are being driven by a PL 400 II amp. I plan to run one bass commode and one panel on one PL 400 II amp and then run the other side on the other PL 400 II, anyway thats the plan. I emailed that guy twice on the shipping charges, first reply was thats all the speakers being shipped. My reply I understood that do they wieght that much and how big a box is it. The second reply was 52 pounds. Well I know from experince 52 pounds coming from Kentucky should run about 50 dollars, so I think he is padding his auction with some extra charges using the shipping as a cover.

BankShot
12-04-2011, 01:02 AM
You got that right Dan. I just hope that some day one of you guys can get a complete double set of these up and running as the difference is amazing (pun not intended). Last night I listened to a CD thru just the one system. Then I listened to it a second time with both systems running. Everything just got bigger and more balanced in the room and the overall volume of sound even tho bigger was also more open and airy on the soundstage in front of me. I know I have expounded on the Andromedas in many prior posts but they just continue to amaze me every time I listen to them. I must have done something right in my room and I would love for all of you to have an AK meeting in my little town sometime. Not much chance of that happening tho but still it would be nice to have you all over so you could see I am not smoking whackyweed:beatnik:.......Ha!

That's a really good testimonial as to how the Andromedas sound Terry.
Maybe your neighbor will bring the beer the next time you have a live concert in your house.....:lmao: