Back in 1985 to be exact my brother bought a nice Pioneer sterio. It was a samll sterio but very powerful. I have always search for the speakers that came with it. I don't have and idea of the model number. All I can remember is that for one they are the only Pioneer speakers that I have ever seen with a metal Grill they where 8 inch sub and and had a bass exit at the bottom. Boxes where small really nice. If you can help me find the model number or a picture. Can I get Pioneer pictures to see if I find them