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HomeBody
01-17-2010, 10:49 AM
I have died and gone to heaven....window shopping.
As I've taken to plunge into vintage audio equipment, I've spent hours mentally laying out how I would construct a console cabinet to at least emulate certain Fisher models that I remember and grew up with in the '60s.

thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread.
Long Live THE FISHER -

analog addict
01-17-2010, 11:48 AM
I managed to get an operating manual for my Consolette 610 and matching Companion Speaker (which are in process of being restored). So I thought I would share.

This will take two postings (it's 8 pgs total).

I have the Fisher 610 paperwork that includes the schematics. PM me and I will scan them and send them to you via e-mail. Anyone else that wants them can have them too....:thmbsp:

Stephen J
02-05-2010, 07:52 AM
..mono ? got any pics of what type of amp this may hold? :scratch2:

TheRed1
02-05-2010, 04:12 PM
That's either a Fisher 'Contemporary' from 1958 which has the ubiquitous R-20 mono chassis, or the much more interesting 'Contemporary II' from 1959 with the stereo-capable R-30-S chassis. I did a quick search for pictures of those chassis but came up empty-handed. Someone else might have better luck.

I think that cabinet is particularly desirable (especially the Contemporary II model which adds the possibility of adding the matching 'Stereo Companion' extension speaker - model 560) what with it's small size, modern styling, front-facing controls and most importantly - those great tambor doors. Definitely among my personal top 5 favorite Fisher consoles . . .

jerryd
02-12-2010, 05:26 PM
Darn... I looked all through this thread and still cant find the Fisher console that used to keep me rockin' at my parents home when I was a kid. My mom won it in a contest... I think from Sears. From what I remember it was probably either very late 60's or early 70's. It used to shock me from time to time and the record player made my RUSH "all the worlds a stage" album sound magical. And because I loved that thing so much... it made me a tube junkie. That thing would get LOUD!!! :thmbsp:

TheRed1
02-13-2010, 11:05 AM
Stephen J: Any luck?

I don't know why Google didn't find this when I first searched for the R-30-S chassis (perhaps it was just listed) but I lifted these excellent photos from Grand Canyon Tube Audio's website. Same concept as Fisher 610-ST: AM/FM tuner, STEREO pre-amp and mono PP EL-84 output. Intended to be paired with Fisher's matching 'Stereo Companion' B-channel speaker/amplifier combo housing their nifty 30-A monoblock amp chassis. The nice thing about the R-30-S is that it appears to have the normal 4-8-16 ohm transformer taps instead of the 610-ST's whacky single 2.5 ohm tap.

The Fisher R-30-S:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/FishertunerchassisR-30-S005.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/FishertunerchassisR-30-S004.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/FishertunerchassisR-30-S001.jpg

TheRed1
02-13-2010, 11:33 AM
Darn... I looked all through this thread and still cant find the Fisher console that used to keep me rockin' at my parents home when I was a kid. My mom won it in a contest... I think from Sears. From what I remember it was probably either very late 60's or early 70's. It used to shock me from time to time and the record player made my RUSH "all the worlds a stage" album sound magical. And because I loved that thing so much... it made me a tube junkie. That thing would get LOUD!!! :thmbsp:Jerry, have you tried the links to Fisher's late 60s catalogs here (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3009237&postcount=182)?

While I hate to disillusion you, I have to tell you that Fisher's last tube consoles were from 1966. All their late 60s and 70s consoles would have been completely solid-state.

jerryd
02-16-2010, 02:25 PM
Jerry, have you tried the links to Fisher's late 60s catalogs here (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3009237&postcount=182)?

While I hate to disillusion you, I have to tell you that Fisher's last tube consoles were from 1966. All their late 60s and 70s consoles would have been completely solid-state.

Thanks for the link, although I still haven't seen the console that I used as a kid. I could be off on the years... I was a little kid, but I do remember it was tube because I robbed them for my guitar amps many years later when my parents decided it was an eye sore and set it outside for the junk man. Yikes! and if I remember correctly I also pulled out a pair of jenson speakers? maybe 12's? at that time I may have been around 15 years old. after looking at all these consoles, they start to look similar. I have seen a couple that are close and very well could be what I had. it was a long long time ago. :thmbsp: I'll have another before too long. that's one of my goals for 2010. Thanks for all the great info in this thread!:music:

jonboy55
02-19-2010, 08:26 PM
I have an opportunity to buy another (my third) Fisher Custom Electra II.

The owner says the turntable turns (which I could care less about) but the radio is dead and doesn't even light up.

Here is a picture of the chassis. It is supposed to have 2 EL37 tubes as the outputs but it looks to me like someone put in 6L6's. Does anyone have any opinion on this?

The cabinet is in very nice condition.

The total cost would be about $75.00.

Thank you.

Jon

larryderouin
02-20-2010, 08:17 AM
I have an opportunity to buy another (my third) Fisher Custom Electra II.

The owner says the turntable turns (which I could care less about) but the radio is dead and doesn't even light up.

Here is a picture of the chassis. It is supposed to have 2 EL37 tubes as the outputs but it looks to me like someone put in 6L6's. Does anyone have any opinion on this?

The cabinet is in very nice condition.

The total cost would be about $75.00.

Thank you.

Jon


Jon; TDSL is showing the 6L6 as a sub for the EL-37 with different rating or performance. 6L6 is a slight bit stouter, so a bit more strain on the power supply and possibly different ratings on BIAS, plate and cathode voltages IIRC. Could be the lights are burned out? By the turntable turns, does he mean by hand or under power???

If this was completely running, I'd think hard on $75. But with it questionable, no chance on anything over $40. but that's me.

You wouldn't happen to have an extra dial face laying around somewhere would ya? Mine is cracked on the 65 Electra.

LArry

WarrGo
03-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Here is a pic of my The Fisher custom Electra IV its a early american maple.

I just did a fresh recap. every cap including the ones on the speakers have been replaced.

I haven't gotten the AM side to work, also I have what sounds like an open on one side of the stereo input of the phono. A slight sixty cycle hum that doesnt' change with the volume. ONe EL84 is redplating a bit. I have moved it and it still redplates. Going to try to get a single good tube to replace it before buying a matched quad.

Warren

larryderouin
03-09-2010, 10:24 PM
Make sure all your RCA Connections are clean and TIGHT! A loose RCA Jack will give you a 60Hz hum. Also check the Tonearm wires underneath and the interconnects at the same point. You might have an open there.

Get a tube tester. Even a cheap emission only will be better than nothing and they all test for shorts. A DVM also come in handy for checking voltages, and bias.

Larry

relaximus
03-13-2010, 09:35 AM
Red:

I'm going to look at a 1956 Custom Futura this afternoon. Is there anything you could tell me about it?

Cheers!
Dave

TheRed1
03-13-2010, 10:00 AM
I don't really know much more than I posted on this (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285615) recent thread that I'd wager refers to the exact same console. I find the one-year-only models interesting if just for the implied rarity. If it is the same console, the cabinet looked to be in very good shape. The R-20 chassis isn't terribly exciting but it's a The Fisher so it'll be a notch or two above most of its contemporary competition. I've never personally encountered a Fisher console from that era so I'd be excited just for the opportunity to see one up close.

What happened with the Scott console?

relaximus
03-13-2010, 10:16 AM
... What happened with the Scott console?
I came to my senses. ;)

Dave

relaximus
03-13-2010, 10:17 AM
... I've never personally encountered a Fisher console from that era so I'd be excited just for the opportunity to see one up close.
I'd like to see how it compares to my '58 Moto.

Dave

relaximus
03-13-2010, 01:53 PM
I don't really know much more than I posted on this (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285615) recent thread that I'd wager refers to the exact same console.
Red:

It is, in fact, the exact same console. In fact, I've bartered with him before. Good guy. I've already spoken with him and we're going to try and work something out.

Dave

madwing
03-23-2010, 05:40 PM
anyone know which fisher consoles came with (a) a 500b receiver, and (b) in an asian-themed cabinet? i just posted about one in long island in D&S, and i've never seen anything like it. beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

TheRed1
03-25-2010, 10:04 PM
As far as I know, there were no consoles made by Fisher with the 500-B. If I remember correctly the 500-B was available roughly 1961-62. None of Fisher's consoles from those years used the 500-B. Fisher did advertise at least one "Far East Contemporary" styled console in 1965, The Executive X - but that was a transistorized model.

More than likely it's a custom cabinet with a Fisher receiver - I have one myself: The Commander's Console. As a console it's probably just as desirable as a Fisher-built model. You figure that if someone was going to go the extra mile to get the Fisher components, they probably wouldn't stick them in a cheap cabinet.

TexAg71
04-01-2010, 06:13 PM
This is a Fisher Ambassador console on CL here in Houston. I'm guessing the components alone would be worth two or three times what the seller is asking ($350). The TT is a Dual 1009. And I've NEVER seen a Fisher-branded RTR before.

Duffinator
04-01-2010, 07:18 PM
That's a nice one. Have you picked it up yet? :D

Here's a photo.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=203631&stc=1&d=1270163864

RuSsMaN
04-01-2010, 10:20 PM
Cool thread, just looked up mine on your site, it's a "E-49-IP (Italian Provincial//Distressed Walnut)"

That's really cool.

Cheers,
Russ

larryderouin
04-02-2010, 08:03 AM
This is a Fisher Ambassador console on CL here in Houston. I'm guessing the components alone would be worth two or three times what the seller is asking ($350). The TT is a Dual 1009. And I've NEVER seen a Fisher-branded RTR before.

1965 Ambassador VII (Model A-690-TD (Traditional/Mahogany)) Hybrid AMP. Amp is the 59A and Tuner is 59T.


18 Tubes, 9 Transistors/65 Watts

Price: $1045 (Mediterranean/Traditional)
TT: Dual 1009
*W/R2R: Fisher Model L22 - Add $279.50

SWEET!! But NOT worth $350.

Running gear is the Same as the '65 FUTURA VIII

After looking at the control panel a bit more, it could be a 1966 also. This one has a strength meter instead of the "Stereo Beacon" Eye Tube.

It's still a sweet unit tho.
Larry

TheRed1
04-12-2010, 06:20 PM
The 290-T chassis was used in the Fisher Philharmonic III model P-28 (1963), the Philharmonic IV model P-29 (1964) and earlier Philharmonic V model P-290's (1965). Note the absence of a EM84 "stereo beam" and the optional, plug-in MPX 77 adapter.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/FisherPhilharmonicP-29Chassis.jpg

The 29-T chassis was used in some later Fisher Philharmonic V model P-290's (1965) and all Philharmonic model P-291's (1966). Note the EM84 "stereo beam" and the integrated MPX-120. Otherwise these two chassis appear identical.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/PhilharmonicP-291TubeLayout.jpg

perchdog
04-24-2010, 08:10 PM
Found this listed on the local craigslist Thursday after work, went to check it out with cash in hand of coarse. Really did not realize it was an Execuctive looking at the pics in the listing, what a pleasant surprise...

It is a model 960 from 1964, features the 800C receiver, Garrard type A and a Ampex 1250 R2R. The cabinet is in really nice shape, the majority of wear is shown in one of the pics. All damage is on or near top, one deep gouge on front edge, top near the front corner and along side edge. All in all it should clean up real nice. We stripped every thing out of it and removed all possible panels to move it, this is one heavy sucker.

The reciever has sylvania output tubes, the rest appear to be stock. It does play but has huim in one channel and volume is noticably lower than the other. I have not tested tubes but this one is scheduled for re-capp real soon. I have been working one the X-202 from my other Executive, that seems to be quite a complicated little amp, I may just push the 800C ahead of it. The R2R is also full of tubes, I know there is a couple of RCA'S a couple of Tele's as well, I have no idea what is hiding under under the tube shields.

No doubt I was in shock when the listing came up, I jumped on it hard.

perchdog
04-24-2010, 08:20 PM
The 800C, really nice cosmetic shape inside and out. I know 2 of the knob brights are missing in photo, found one of them in the cabinet. The first chassis pic is as recieved. The 2nd chasis pic shows after cleaned with vacuum micro cleaning kit only, absolutely no fluids used...

perchdog
04-24-2010, 08:25 PM
more pics

TheRed1
04-24-2010, 08:59 PM
I have been working one the X-202 from my other Executive . . .Other than perhaps Fisher salesmen way back when, who ever gets to say the phrase "my other Executive"? The green color represents envy but I am also very excited to see your "Executive Lounge" once you get them both up and running and properly installed.

If I am interpreting the picture of the speakers correctly, then the space behind the two lower "drawers" is part of the speaker enclosure. I was wondering if the two bottom drawers opened for record storage but I guess Fisher figured that acoustics were more important.

I am amazed how close this was for you. Congratulations on another great find.

spaceman
04-24-2010, 09:04 PM
Very nice, perchdog, we don't see many Executives. :thmbsp: I'd love to find one around here cheap, but who wouldn't. :D

perchdog
04-24-2010, 09:07 PM
Thanks Carter....
Yes each speaker encloser is approx 1/2 the width of entire console. Not so sure I like the fisher speaks.. I have been thinking about trying some ev's or wolverine 3-ways in the other, the 960 should have more than adequate volume for what ever i decide to use. Please not how easily the baffles will be to change out, unfortubately i do not think there is room for a 15"

Carter, once these are up and running you are definately welcome..

Thanks Spaceman...

Stephen J
04-24-2010, 09:25 PM
I been waitin' all day for you to post the pics and info.
Nice score !
There is a lady in Clinton Township with some EV stuff.
One of the SP12's is no good,but she has wolverine tweets,mids and XO's

larryderouin
04-25-2010, 01:06 AM
HEY PERCHDOG! Quit scarfing up all the GOOD Stuff.

Seriously. GREAT SCORE! And with accesories too. Plus the R2R. It looks a lot like my Custom Electra VIII. Or my Electra looks a lot like it.

Larry

perchdog
04-25-2010, 09:47 PM
Thanks Larry...
What can I say, I am a junky...

larryderouin
04-26-2010, 12:23 AM
Thanks Larry...
What can I say, I am a junky...

Me too........pass the needle(stylus). It's clean, right???

(3 astrosonics, 1 magnasonic, 3 Fishers(2 hybrids, 1 SS.), 1 Olympic(only full tube).

Larry

WarrGo
04-26-2010, 10:41 AM
Awsome find. I have a accousticraft with 800c and ev 15trx waiting a restore. What brand is the R2R?

perchdog
04-26-2010, 05:53 PM
Awsome find. I have a accousticraft with 800c and ev 15trx waiting a restore. What brand is the R2R?

Hi,

The R2R is a Ampex 1250 I believe...

I have a pair of Accousticraft speakers with a later univerisity 312 load in them. I would b real interested in seeing some pics of thaty console. They sure did manufacture some quality cabinets...

TheRed1
05-01-2010, 08:51 AM
It has been almost 3 years since I found my first Fisher console, breathed in my first lung-full of cadmium oxide-laced chassis dust and contracted a severe case of the console disease. It’s a chronic condition that has literally changed my life. There being no effective cure as far as I know; all you can really do is treat the symptoms: spend all your disposable income on your wife/girlfriend/SO before it adds up to console money; have a computer-savvy toddler set the parental controls on your computer to block CL; sell whatever van, SUV or other console-wagon you use to get your fix (that’s what I did recently) - OR you could go the extreme route and build, buy or rent enough square footage to accommodate your habit. That, sadly, is bound to be no more than a temporary cure.

Perhaps the most effective therapy I’ve found so far is by experiencing the excitement of others' Fisher console finds vicariously through the posts here at AK. To that end, and for the sake of all of the afflicted, I’ve compiled a retrospective index of the Fisher consoles that have surfaced over the last 3 years with links back to the original post. This can also serve as a roster of AK members who are most likely already afflicted and who should be PM’d if you note a Fisher console in their neck of the woods. Don’t expose yourself needlessly if you feel you are at risk of contracting this terrible malady. Let someone for whom it is already too late properly dispose of these especially hazardous Fisher consoles.

If you're not on this list but feel you should be, I encourage you to step out of the shadows and be recognized. Share your story and post some photos of your Fisher console(s). You’ll feel better and, at the same time, be doing a service for your Fisher-striken fellows. If you’re on this list and have somehow broken free . . . I don’t think I really want know anything about that as it would tend to contradict my rather delusional world view. If, on the other hand, you are on this list and would like to update your story; that would be delightful.

I have noticed, in many of the older posts, that the links to the photos are no longer functioning and I worry that something bad may have happened. It would ease my mind if these could be fixed. There are also a few cases of people joining AK, posting a few times about their Fisher console and then dropping off the face of the earth. It is my sincere wish that those folks are OK and, perhaps, at this very moment, enjoying their now fully-restored Fisher consoles. If they subsequently sold that console using the information posted herein, I fear the delayed onset strain of the disease can be especially vicious.

Unrepresented below are the saddest cases: AK members who have inherited Fisher consoles through their families. They are truly blameless; having grown up with the high fidelity and never knowing any other mode of existence. Off the top of my head I can only think of only one such case: Duffinator and his beautiful 1955 Custom Electra II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1167416#post1167416). Are there others?

If I have missed any AK Fisher consoles please let me know as every last one helps.

------------------------------------------------------

5-16-07: 1960 Premiere (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112001) - TheRed1

6-25-07: 1957 Medalist II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1218354) - vendo81

6-27-07: 1957 Series 60 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1221210) - elduce

11-01-07: 1966 Custom Electra (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=132848) - TheRed1

11-09-07: 1960 Custom Electra III (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=133705) - TheRed1

2-06-08: 1964 Ambassador VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1632908#post1632908) - skibjr

2-16-08: 1962 Ambassador IV (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1658058#post1658058) - pich

7-31-08: 1961 Statesman II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176951) - mcsteam22

8-28-08: 1963 Custom Electra VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=180894) -relaximus

9-11-08: 1962 Custom Electra V (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183310) - skykng

9-22-08: 1963 Regent (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185023) - schwarcw’s friend

10-19-08:: 1964 Allegro/1965 Allegro II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2192974#post2192974) - analog addict

10-19-08: 1964 Allegro/1965 Allegro II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2193080#post2193080) - barrynsue

11-13-08: 1959 Series 510 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2246764#post2246764) - TheRed1

11-22-08: 1964 Custom Electra VII (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2251165) - auxtech66

11-22-08: 1961 Executive VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2267058#post2267058) - Jimmy64>Joe11611>perchdog (see below)

11-24-08: 1964 Executive IX (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2272756#post2272756) - scootchu

11-26-08: 1964 Diplomat II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2276157) - cbrann

12-04-08: 1962 Futura III (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2296815#post2296815) - jean lafite

12-6-08: 1966 Allegro A-190 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197024) - mpholland

12-13-08: 1959 Series 510 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198147) - Jcricket

1-02-09: 1958 Custom Electra II (Normandy) (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2370315#post2370315) - jonboy55

1-03-09: 1961 Custom Electra IV (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2372988#post2372988) - p.dow

5-11-09: 1960 Custom Electra III (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2758101) - tlgibbs

6-09-09: 1965 Warwick (Futura V?) (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2799477) - mgzny

7-11-09: 1963 Ambassador V (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2873337) - grinder029

7-13-09: 1962 Philharmonic II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2877945) - k7cid@me.com

7-30-09: 1966 Custom Electra (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2915360#post2915360) - the fish

8-10-09: 1965 Custom Electra VIII (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2943520) - larryderouin

8-16-09: 1966 Philharmonic (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2957586#post2957586) - nerdorama

8-31-09: 1965 Futura VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=249012) - larryderouin

9-01-09: 1964 Philharmonic IV (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2996800) - Saint Johnny

9-12-09: 1960 Custom Electra III (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3025240#post3025240) - deadbeat son

9-28-09: 1959 Series 610 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254422) - visman

10-30-09: 1958 Custom Electra II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3151319#post3151319) - jonboy55

11-07-09: 1961 Custom Electra IV (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3171176) - WarrGo

11-24-09: 1961 Executive VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3218388#post3218388) - perchdog

12-02-09: 1958 Series 61 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3238442#post3238442) - jonboy55

12-04-09: 1964 Allegro (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267070) - rcflybob

3-03-10: 1963 Custom Electra VI (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285067) - that70sguy

3-15-10: 1960 Custom Electra III (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3539111) - ziphius

3-20-10: 1956 Custom Futura (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285615) - relaximus via sobr1

3-27-10: 1964 Futura V (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=290376) - achilles_bog

4-01-10: 1964 Custom Electra VII (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3585630#post3585630) - RuSsMaN

4-02-10: 1950 Coronet/Allegro (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3587479) - cooljjay

4-11-10: 1966 Philharmonic (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3610352) - vinyldavid

4-24-10: 1964 Executive IX (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3642791#post3642791) -perchdog

shacky
05-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Awesome links. Thanks Red :banana: :thmbsp:

visman
05-07-2010, 04:30 PM
Red - excellent compilation!

I am still working on the restoration of my Series 610 and 560 Stereo Companion.

With the unbelievable help of many AK'ers (providing schematics, ubber rare bulbs, Capacitor kits and even Red hand drawing the tuner stringing) I have now restored both the 610-ST chassis and the 30-A Chassis. Both sound amazing (though I have not matched them back together yet with the Jensens - something to look forward to:D).

Some shots attached.

I am ready to start on the Garrard RC 120 Mark II turntable this weekend and get the cabinets cleaned up with some elbow grease and Howards restore-a-finish.

After that it all gets put back together in it's console splendor :banana:

But no question I owe a great debt of gratitude to all the AK'ers that helped!

larryderouin
05-08-2010, 09:46 AM
RED: Great compilation. Short of two '66 philharmonics I've got the youngest sets. One slight OOOPPSSS on the list that I found. "6-09-09: 1965 Warwick (Futura V?) - mgzny" Change the Futura V? to C.E. VIII) Futura had the 59A/T combo for '65. and the C.E. had the 49A/T.

NOTE TO ALL: If you need a copy of the 49A/T and or 59A/T manuals PM me. The only difference between the two amps I see is the # of transistors. The tuners are totally different.

Larry

rcflybob
05-08-2010, 09:40 PM
Hi Red,

I have to say that you have done a wonderful job of compiling the info for the Fisher consoles and the links for who has what type. This kind of information is truly invaluable in helping us to know exactly what kind of Fisher we have. I would like to add my name to list of what I consider fortunate people who have grown up with a Fisher console, although I agree that it is a very powerful affliction, and nothing else you hear will ever measure up, unless its another Fisher of course. I would like to add this link to the restoration thread I did on my Allegro, which I could not have done without the wonderful help from the folks here at AK. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=270435
In addition I would like to update the status of my Fisher, I recently replaced the non polarized electrolytic caps in the speakers, they were the original Callins 4microfarad at 50v caps. I have been listening to it every day now for at least a couple of hours. It probably has roughly 200 hours on it since the recapp and it just keeps sounding better and better.
As I'm writing this I am listening to some fantastic Pete Fountain clarinet jazz spinning on the turntable that has a nos ceramic cartridge and nos stylus. Really brings back the childhood memories, on the lookout now for my next console, maybe an Executive or the ever elusive President model.

TheRed1
05-09-2010, 09:12 AM
Visman, it's great to hear the progress you've made on your 610/560 combo. I'm looking forward to photos showing how they'll look with your existing furniture.

Your Fishers are pretty close to what I've decided would be the ultimate console for my living room: The '59 Contemporary II with matching Stereo Companion. I started with the concept depicted in the Stereo Companion page of the '59 catalog. Then I overlaid a grid scaled to the known dimensions of the 510/610 to approximate the size of the record cabinet which would seem to be a fairly straightforward carpentry project to build. (The grid also revealed that the 560's width is somewhat exaggerated in this rendering.)

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/59StereoCompanion560CatalogA.jpg

Next I reversed the image to match my living room, removed the table and replaced the 510/610 with the Contemporary II. Then I went completely nuts and overlaid a scale grid over a scan of a floor plan of my living room. I created a dozen or so separate additional scale overlays for all existing and contemplated pieces of furniture so I could re-arrange them at will. This is all in the way of a proposal I can set before my wife should I ever come across a Contemporary II with a matching Stereo Companion. I like to be prepared.

Proposed view from the big chair:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/ME-3.jpg

Existing arrangement:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/LIVINGROOMGRID2.jpg

Proposed 2nd console in living room:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/LIVINGROOMGRID4.jpg


One slight OOOPPSSS on the list that I found. "6-09-09: 1965 Warwick (Futura V?) - mgzny" Change the Futura V? to C.E. VIII) Futura had the 59A/T combo for '65. and the C.E. had the 49A/T.Larry, I put Futura V? because of the ad below. You are correct to point out that the chassis were shared with the C.E. VIII. I think that is discussed in the original post but I'm glad you mentioned it because I don't think I've ever posted this ad. I wish mgzny would have posted a picture of his Warwick to confirm that Fisher recycled the '64 Futura cabinet with '65 Custom Electra level electronics installed. Note the original price quoted in the ad is the price of a '64 Futura V.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/65WarwickSept65.jpg

Rcflybob, thanks for adding the link to your restoration thread. I'm very glad to hear you've put the Allegro back into condition for everyday use. Sounds like you've got it pretty bad if you're having Presidential/ Executive dreams. I used to think the ultimate Fisher for me would have been the 1958 President II but a more realistic assessment of the square footage available has led me to the Contemporary II. The President would technically fit where the Premiere is but I think it would be a just a bit out of scale for a townhouse like mine. It really needs a big room with a pretty long wall of its own.

visman
05-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Red, that was one of the greatest postings ever! A sales pitch (to your wife) for the eventual arrival of your '59 Contemporary II with matching Stereo Companion! I had to show my wife and she was truly impressed (we both feel you will succeed in obtaining approval):yes:. That combo (with the record case) would be amazing (i'm a little jealous just thinking about it.:D

I am toying with the idea of placing my system on both sides of my living room fireplace - as in your case this will require some moving of furniture (and convincing of wife).:D

jonboy55
05-09-2010, 10:00 PM
Red -

Thank you for posting that excellent post. I was surprised to see my user name mentioned 3 times. Two were for Custom Electra II's and one for a Series 61.

I've just started to get into web design because of changes at my work place and have been thinking about a simple web site that I can practice designing. Maybe a site devoted to Fisher Consoles?

I'm fortunate to have obtained an excellent program for designing web sites called Dreamweaver.

Humm....I'll give this some thought.

Jon

PS - I'm still looking for a schematic for the Series 61.

Sam Cogley
05-09-2010, 11:35 PM
I want his couch. And tie.

audiodon
05-10-2010, 09:13 AM
TheRed1,
I've been guilty of being an enabler of consolitis. I've sent you, I believe, two owners manuals for Fisher consoles.
I've seen a few, but haven't found any I'd consider a keeper yet. That day will come but hasn't yet.

petch
05-10-2010, 10:08 AM
hi Red1

I just got a fisher look alike the TA600 but it's stamped Premier instead of "the 600". Wondering if it's took from the Premier Console or not?

Petch, Bangkok Thailand

TheRed1
05-10-2010, 04:59 PM
Hi Petch. Congratulations on your Fisher TA-600. Yes, it was originally from a 1960 Fisher Premiere console like mine. I see you found the date stamped on the back of the face plate. Mine is from June, 1959. I forget the exact date but I have it written down somewhere. Did you find yours in Thailand?

There should be at least one other Fisher in Thailand. In 1950 the President of the United States, Harry Truman, gave the King of Thailand a Fisher console as a wedding present.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2706411#post2706411

My best friend is married to a woman from Phitsanulok. He was in Thailand last month and said it was very, very hot. I had asked him to see if he could find out if the King still had the console. He said that security at the palace is very, very tight. No visitors.

Do you have any connections to the King? Is it possible to write or email him a question?

petch
05-11-2010, 02:27 AM
Hi Red

Thanks for valuable info. now i clearly realise that i just got a very first age fisher's stereo receiver :). I’ve never seen this item here in Thailand before (i means the one stamped Premier instead of the 600), so many of 500c, and i found just 2 items of TA-600 when i did google.

i read the very interesting article "the million dollar avocation", wondering what the date of it. Our King's marriage occurred in 1950, i heard the Fisher's console was start from mid50s(???), also the illustration look similar to TA600 which began the production line in 1959.(???)

i am new for the vintage world, this is my first fisher's amp.

My vintage's story begins last 2 years on the day when my friend asked me to go to see her mom, she wanted my help to get rid of the old audio stuff of her husband (he passed away 2-3 years ago). i got my first vintage : Marantz 4400 on that day.

one year later, i found a very nice tube amp : Sansui AU-111 when i brought my 4400 to clean up and wanna get it checked because one small light didn't work properly. the shop's owner just got the au-111, he was running for the test when i was there. i fell in love with the sweet tube sound then. i so bought it and took it home.

Just last week, i saw the TA600 in mint condition was selling on net, i did call the seller suddenly and told him that i wanted to go to see this item. at first i thought it's 500c but i found that it's early. The seller said it came from The US(110V). i dont familiar so much about the Fisher but i love the sound and the price was reasonable, i so took it home.

petch
05-11-2010, 11:22 AM
Ta-600

julianburke
05-12-2010, 05:18 PM
I have a Fisher Premiere Provincial (1960) which is in very nice condition. Yeah, I had to shell out $60 for it! It came with two Fisher catalogs for 1960. I need a way to scan them for you all to see. I even have a price list for all the console models starting 15 June 1959. Mine was $945.00. I can't believe it has the Garrard RC-80 in it as I thought that was obsolete in 1960.

raymanretro
05-14-2010, 02:53 PM
Did Fisher make audio equipment for other companys like Sears and so on?

TheRed1
05-14-2010, 05:16 PM
In the late 1940s Fisher and B. Altman & Co. paired up to produce what were advertised as Altman-Fisher radio-phonographs. Hardly the equivalent of Sears, B. Altman was perhaps a little more upscale with their flagship store covering an entire block on 5th Avenue in New York City. If you ever run across an Altman-Fisher . . . buy it immediately! These were extremely high-end, high-fashion radio-phonographs running in the $1,375 to $2,550 range in 1947. Who knows what kind of chassis Avery was stuffing in these but they had it all: Broadcast, "New" FM, SW, Garrard changer with Nylon pick-up . . . 23 tubes in all. The furniture itself tended not to look like radio-phonographs but more like your typical stylish furniture from the late 40s. Consoles incognito at a premium price.

Fisherdude
05-14-2010, 09:11 PM
Did Fisher make audio equipment for other companys like Sears and so on?

They definitely made equipment under the Sears brand. Not sure about other companies.

Sam Cogley
05-14-2010, 10:54 PM
They definitely made equipment under the Sears brand. Not sure about other companies.

Most interesting. I've never seen anything like that.

TheRed1
05-15-2010, 07:30 AM
They definitely made equipment under the Sears brand. Not sure about other companies.Are we talking Avery Fisher's "The Fisher" brand or the Emerson/Sanyo "Fisher" brand? I've never run across any information indicating that Fisher ever sold any tube electronics under what would have been the "Silvertone" brand. The only true "The Fisher" chassis I've ever heard of that wasn't branded as such was the anonymous Fisher Radio Corp. built tuner chassis found in some late 50s Ampex consoles.

Fisherdude
05-15-2010, 07:46 AM
It was definitely during the Sanyo era. Actually, the Fisher/Sears receivers are quite common and pop up on eBay all the time. Iirc, it says something like "By Fisher" on the unit, and they have the usual Sears 142.XXXXXXX model numbers or the like.

Because of the Sears branding, they never fetch very good prices, so if the unit is functioning, they're usually bargains.

Smirshkahoven
05-18-2010, 09:14 AM
Got this Friday and had to leave it in the car until I could rustle up the manpower (and permission) to bring it in the house on Sunday.

I hope the wife gets used to it - I had to shoehorn it into the rec room. I really like it - everything works right out of the chute. Brought it up on a Variac that I was lucky enough to pick up at an estate sale. I had to DeOxit two of the switches which felt frozen. The 7951s seem pretty hot, so I've only run it full out for about twenty minutes at a time. It sounds pretty nice - I'll try it with some better speakers today.

I suppose that the 800C needs some attention in order to be ready for long term use. Do you guys know of anyone in the northern VA area? How about elsewhere? I don't trust myself doing real work on this.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_008_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=008_1.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_001_1-3.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=001_1-3.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_002_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=002_1.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_003_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=003_1.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_004_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=004_1.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_006_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=006_1.jpg)
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/th_007_1.jpg (http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk222/smirshkahoven/Fisher%20Executive%20IX/?action=view&current=007_1.jpg)

Fisherdude
05-18-2010, 09:19 AM
That is a MAJOR high quality piece of furniture you got there!! Hope your wife appreciates it.:thmbsp:

Naptown Rob
05-18-2010, 11:16 AM
Wowza!! That is exactly what I'm looking for. And believe it or not, it was the wife's idea...

perchdog
05-18-2010, 11:25 AM
Got this Friday and had to leave it in the car until I could rustle up the manpower (and permission) to bring it in the house on Sunday.

(2) questions, maybe 3

how the heck did you get it into the car ?
if it is a car, what are you driving a chrysler newport ??
did you have to stiffen suspention ???

just kidding, nice score.... i am jealous appears to be in awesome shape.

also, please study the sticky's on older tube equipment. most likely a 1964 model you may want to seriously consider not running the receiver untill it has been properly serviced. if you don't mind spending money to get it done, you may want to contact Terry Dewick. he is a site sponser, his contact info is very easy to find.

What is it about the d.c. area. i swear 50% of the nice consoles come from there..

Smirshkahoven
05-18-2010, 11:44 AM
Naptown Rob, you're welcome to come by and play with it.
BTW, my brother runs a B&B over in Eastport.

perchdog, I have an Escort station wagon. The guy who sold it to me got it down 4 stairs and across the yard with a hand truck - my son and I just helped balance the thing (I ruptured a disk in December).

Somehow we loaded it without damage. Had to move the seats forward just a bit and got it all in. The car has a standard suspension, but it's butt was hanging pretty low, LOL.

I had three friends unload it and bring it in the basement for a six-pack and half a bottle of wine. I would have ponied up steaks, but they all had to get back to the wives/girlfriends.

perchdog
05-18-2010, 11:49 AM
your a better man than i. the last one we completely disassembled and used a trailer. lol
mine is a 1964 just a few posts up (post #275-277). it has same 800c, r2r and tt. one heavy sucka to be sure. not many around, you are truely fortunate..:yes:

Smirshkahoven
05-18-2010, 11:56 AM
Speaking of the DC area, there is a console in Springfield right now that I know my wife won't let me have so I dropped the ball on it.

It's on DC craigslist under "Antiques". Search "Garrard". He listed it as a turntable with a 50's-60's amp and says it's half full of records. Two hundred is the asking price. May or may not be Fisher - Ampex maybe? I haven't asked.

If it's nice, you can thank me later!

Smirshkahoven
05-18-2010, 12:20 PM
Speaking of the DC area, there is a console in Springfield right now that I know my wife won't let me have so I dropped the ball on it.

It's on DC craigslist under "Antiques" or "Furniture". Search "Garrard". He listed it as a turntable with a 50's-60's amp and says it's half full of records. Two hundred is the asking price.

If it's nice, you can thank me later!

Smirshkahoven
05-18-2010, 12:23 PM
perchdog, that is a fine looking Executive. Not much difference between the two except the styling. My speaker baskets are also covered in that aluminum oxidation, plus I found an acorn and signs of trespassers in one side. Haven't looked inside the other enclosure.

TheRed1
05-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Smirshkahoven,

Very, very, very nice. Not only are there a lot of nice consoles coming from here in the DC area, there also appear to be a growing number of folks from around here who appreciate them and are willing to invest some time and money in fixing them up to give them a second life.

What neighborhood did you find that exquisite Executive in? My Premiere came out of Mantua, the Commander's Console (also with an 800C) came out of Mclean. I've also found Fisher consoles in Burke, Old Town Alexandria and NW DC. Larry bought one of his Fishers in Chantilly, I seem to recall. Seems like we should be able to plot it all on a map and work out the neighborhoods with the highest probability of producing the next Fisher console.

As far as recommendations for a local tech, if you have deep pockets you could try Music Technology Incorporated in Springfield. I have a friend who had his Vox amp restored there and they did very good job. However, their initial estimate was very low compared to the eventual cost. If you know exactly what you want done and can articulate it effectively you might try Ft. Myers TV & Electronics in Vienna. I used them for my 800C. It did take two visits to get everything right but there was no extra charge for the additional work they did and overall, especially considering their location, it was very inexpensive. It was not, however, a complete restoration.

For a really top-notch restoration at reasonable rates I can highly recommend Craig at NOSValves who did my Fisher 400. However, this will require shipping to and from Michigan with the attendant risk of damage in transit. If you go this route, pack it as if it were to be dropped from a 3rd story window onto jagged concrete - I speak from sad experience. I also understand there are a handful of other good techs out there that some further searching here in AK's forums should reveal. One other possible resource for (semi-) local tube techs is The Radio and Television Museum up in Bowie, Md. You might even consider joining the Radio History Society based there for free access to their extensive technical library and restoration facilities if you were considering doing the work yourself but wanted some experienced guidance.

Congratulations on that beautiful Executive - yours is the Modern cabinet that so many of us lust after. Do you know the year or model number? That style with the 800C ran 1963-64 basically unchanged. Did you get any documentation with it?

Smirshkahoven
05-23-2010, 02:56 PM
TheRed1,

I think this Executive is from 1964. It is labeled Model 960. I didn't get any documentation unfortunately. I got it off of craigslist as a console stereo with Garrard turntable and it was from a house off of Burke Center Parkway in an older neighborhood.

The realtor selling the home had listed the console to get it out of the way for sale. He told me the owners had lived there for 40 years, so they must have owned it before they moved here.

I appreciate the advice on repair shops - I've had a bad experience with Bill at Music Technologies and I'm not sure that he doesn't put money over love of the art, but I have heard from others who swear by him. I'm near Vienna and a Vienna native, so might try Ft. Myers Electronics. Not sure how long they've been there, but I seem to recall that name from long ago. I've also read about Craig. All good.

I can't say I'm going to be able to keep this in the house as much as I would like to be able to. We are in a townhouse and I already have a fairly major setup in the basement room where this resides. I will not give it up without finding a loving home for it however.

Sam Cogley
05-23-2010, 03:07 PM
What is it about the d.c. area. i swear 50% of the nice consoles come from there..

The Stromberg-Carlson console I stripped even came from there.

tomcza11
05-28-2010, 04:55 AM
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=301605

jonboy55
06-05-2010, 12:31 PM
This post may not qualify for the Fisher Console thread but I thought I would bring it to your attention.

I just came from looking at a "Fisher Entertainment Center" that was advertised on CL.

It ended up being a 7 foot custom console circa 1963.

The son of the owner said his father bought the custom console and built the Fisher (Stratakits) components himself:

1. Fisher KX-200 amplifier
2. Fisher KM-60 tuner
3. Dual 1009 turntable
4. AR 2a Speakers (guess which one still works)

The tubes are mostly original branded Fisher but I noticed some Amperex Bugle Boy 12AX7's. The amplifier has 2 broken slide switches which I've sent out some emails to look for replacements. One knob cap is missing.

Unfortunately, I couldn't take the console. It was a well made piece of furniture. The 2 speakers fit in the end sections where the speaker grills are located. If anyone is interested in the cabinet, it's located in Central New Jersey. I was told the cabinet was made by a New Jersey company.

Here are some pictures.

PS - On the way out they said they had found 2 1951 bakelite radios. One is a Stromberg Carlson 1500H and the other a generic bakelite with "WOR" on it. Aparently, the wife won it in a radio contest! They gave them to me. I'll add a photo in the next post.

Sam Cogley
06-05-2010, 07:21 PM
Your Fishers are pretty close to what I've decided would be the ultimate console for my living room: The '59 Contemporary II with matching Stereo Companion. I started with the concept depicted in the Stereo Companion page of the '59 catalog. Then I overlaid a grid scaled to the known dimensions of the 510/610 to approximate the size of the record cabinet which would seem to be a fairly straightforward carpentry project to build. (The grid also revealed that the 560's width is somewhat exaggerated in this rendering.)

Next I reversed the image to match my living room, removed the table and replaced the 510/610 with the Contemporary II. Then I went completely nuts and overlaid a scale grid over a scan of a floor plan of my living room. I created a dozen or so separate additional scale overlays for all existing and contemplated pieces of furniture so I could re-arrange them at will. This is all in the way of a proposal I can set before my wife should I ever come across a Contemporary II with a matching Stereo Companion. I like to be prepared.

Proposed view from the big chair:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/ME-3.jpg

What components were used in the Contemporary II? I have a line on the cabinet with the turntable and speakers, but the tuner/pre and amp are gone.

TheRed1
06-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Sam, I believe it was the R-30-S which was very similar in concept to the 610-ST, an all-in-one tuner/stereo pre-amp/mono amp. Not terribly common but very likely the same sized face plate as the 610 and Fisher's older mono tuners and receivers (the '58 Contemporary used the R-20).

Sam Cogley
06-05-2010, 07:41 PM
If I get it, I'll figure out what I want to do with it. The main goal of the chase is the GE VR cartridge on the headshell...

Sam Cogley
06-06-2010, 09:09 PM
It's not in my possession yet, but another AKer picked up the Contemporary cabinet for me today. Now to figure out what to do with it. The Contemporary came with the R-20 chassis, and the II came with the R-30-S. Anyone know what else would physically fit in the opening?

visman
06-11-2010, 11:29 AM
Was anyone else following this 1959 Fisher Console (Model 320) on EPay?

Did an AK'er win?

It ended up going for an awful lot of money....!

Here are the pics taken from the listing ....

shacky
06-11-2010, 06:01 PM
That's a beauty. No radio :scratch2:

Sam Cogley
06-11-2010, 06:28 PM
Was anyone else following this 1959 Fisher Console (Model 320) on EPay?

Did an AK'er win?

It ended up going for an awful lot of money....!

Here are the pics taken from the listing ....

Just a minor clarification - model 310 was the 1959 version, 320 was 1960. The companion speaker was 130 in 1959 and 140 in 1960. No idea what practical difference there is, if any.

http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/Promenade.html
http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/PromenadeII.html

TheRed1
06-11-2010, 07:14 PM
Here's the '59 Promenade for comparison:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1959Promenade-1.jpg

Note how the lid does not cover the controls as the much larger and taller lid on the '60 Promenade II does. Otherwise, I believe they are identical. The specs in the catalogs are the same, word for word, for both models.

Sam Cogley
06-11-2010, 07:41 PM
The chassis numbers are different, but I don't know where to find a schematic for comparison.

visman
06-11-2010, 10:08 PM
According to Sam's link the 1960 Promenade II - model 320 also has an AM/FM Radio and a 610 Chassis. But this one (labelled as a Model 320) clearly has no AM/FM Radio.

Looks like a 59/60 Hybrid - 60 cabinet with 59 phonograph.

TheRed1
06-11-2010, 10:58 PM
According to Sam's link the 1960 Promenade II - model 320 also has an AM/FM Radio and a 610 Chassis. But this one (labelled as a Model 320) clearly has no AM/FM Radio.

Looks like a 59/60 Hybrid - 60 cabinet with 59 phonograph.

My apologies to the Fisher community: that is an error on my website. There was no Promenade model with a radio as far as I know. The '59 and '60 catalogs list phono-only Promenades exclusively. I believe I was under the impression that the 310/320 models were with and without radio similar to the 510/610 consolettes.

I hate to tinker with HTML because I have forgotten most of the codes. I'm a quick study but I forget just as fast. I will certainly try to correct the error as soon as the wine wears off - perhaps tomorrow. It is my hope that AK member Jonboy will be able to launch a new and improved version of the Fisher Consoles website in the not-to-distant future. I have pledged to provide as much content as storage and bandwidth will permit.


EDIT: 6/12/10 - Corrected file uploaded. http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/PromenadeII.html

Sam Cogley
06-21-2010, 02:52 AM
The 1958 Contemporary is in the house. This is probably the most odd console situation ever - I don't have the R20, but I have every bit of paperwork - including the hang tags from the knobs. It needs a tiny bit of veneer repair and some touch up to correct a few dings and scratches. I'm a bit confused by the model number - it says C800P, but according to TheRed1's site, there was no C800P, just these four:
C-800M - Mahogany
C-800W - Walnut
C-800T - Teak
C-800C - Cherry

"P" on most Fisher consoles stood for "Provincial" - a cabinet style, not just a finish color. I think it must mean "Pecan" in this circumstance. I wonder if it was a special order?

TheRed1
06-21-2010, 05:57 PM
That is odd, Sam. A Provincial Contemporary would be somewhat of an oxymoron. Perhaps, since the Provincial models almost universally used cherry wood, someone at Fisher's cabinet works mistakenly used the "P" on what should have been an C-800C. In which case it might be fitting to install an 800-C in a C-800C . . . if only it would fit.

Speaking of which: Now that you have the cabinet, what are the dimensions of the cut-out for the R-20? It's my impression that the chassis sizes for Fisher's squarish tuners and receivers in the mid-to-late 50s were all over the board. I wonder if a TA-500 would come close to fitting - they seem to be fairly plentiful and comparatively inexpensive.

Sam Cogley
06-21-2010, 06:35 PM
The finish doesn't look like Cherry at all. Pecan or Teak, maybe. Rather light for Walnut. There's a decent picture in my thread about the cabinet.

I'll measure the opening tonight. I was thinking that a TA-500 might be a decent replacement, though I'd rather love to find an R-20 (and comparatively, I'd figure that it should be even cheaper than the 500). This thing is super complete, except for the rather glaring exception of the receiver and back plate from the speaker cavity. Every scrap of related paper is here.

jonboy55
06-21-2010, 09:58 PM
For those of you interested, there is a Fisher Custom Electra chassis listed on E*** going for $150.00. It is the 3rd time the owner has listed it. It originally started at $500.00.

This chassis uses 4 x 6V6 outputs which makes me think it is the Custom Electra I (K14 chassis).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110548472332

My concern with it is that he powered it up but made no mention of connecting speakers.

This is not my listing and I have no involvement with it.

Jon

sheltie dave
06-21-2010, 10:02 PM
Sam, while I didn't cast a jaundiced eye on the grain, my presumption was it was a tawny walnut finish, like what McIntosh did with some of their 50s cabinets. It ends up looking like a light teak or slightly darkened pecan.

However it falls, it falls pretty. :thmbsp:

Duffinator
06-21-2010, 10:06 PM
For those of you interested, there is a Fisher Custom Electra chassis listed on E*** going for $150.00. It is the 3rd time the owner has listed it. It originally started at $500.00.

This chassis uses 4 x 6V6 outputs which makes me think it is the Custom Electra I (K14 chassis).

My concern with it is that he powered it up but made no mention of connecting speakers.

This is not my listing and I have no involvement with it.

JonThat's the same chassis in my Custom Electra. :yes:

jonboy55
06-22-2010, 10:29 AM
That's the same chassis in my Custom Electra. :yes:

I emailed the seller. It is a K-15 chassis.

TheRed1
06-22-2010, 04:24 PM
Jon, since you are the de facto expert on Fisher consoles from this period let me ask you if the following jives with what you've found in your consoles.

My database indicates the K-15 and the K-100 chassis were introduced during the 1957 model year on Fisher's Custom Electra and Custom Electra II consoles, respectively. Both were discontinued by 1958 which would tend to make them rarer than the K-14 which ran from 1955 through at least part of 1957 on the earlier Custom Electras.

Which of these chassis do you have in your collection and what are the differences?

jonboy55
06-23-2010, 12:59 AM
Jon, since you are the de facto expert on Fisher consoles from this period let me ask you if the following jives with what you've found in your consoles.

My database indicates the K-15 and the K-100 chassis were introduced during the 1957 model year on Fisher's Custom Electra and Custom Electra II consoles, respectively. Both were discontinued by 1958 which would tend to make them rarer than the K-14 which ran from 1955 through at least part of 1957 on the earlier Custom Electras.

Which of these chassis do you have in your collection and what are the differences?


Well, I'm really not an "expert" on these but I've worked on both the Fisher K-14 and K-100 chassis. I own 2 Custom Electra's with the K-100 chassis. The cabinets are the Normandy model.

About a year and a half ago I met a local man who had a Fisher Custom Electra with a K-14 chassis that he originally purchased in 1955. It wasn't working and he asked me to repair it. I obtained a copy of the service instructions for a K-14 chassis which says "Custom Electra - Series K-14". On the poor photocopy of the service instructions someone had hand written K-15 on the schematic page. About a year ago someone sold a Custom Electra on E*** with a K-15 chassis. The photos of that chassis looked exactly like the K-14 I had worked on. The dial glass on both these models say "Custom Electra" on the glass. There are 4 indicator lights on the K-14: TV, Phono, FM, and AM. The K-14 has 6 knobs but its been so long since I've seen the chassis I'm not sure of the applications. The far right knob controls the station frequency and they made a big deal about the "Z-Matic" control. I didn't feel the "Z-Matic" control did much of anything.

The K-14 chassis has the following tubes:
1. 6BQ7
2. 6CB8
3. 6BA6
4. 6BA6
5. 6BA6
6. 6AL5
7. 6BQ7
8. 6E5
9. 12AX7
10. 6BA6
11. 6BE6
12. 12AX7
13. 12AT7
14. 12AX7
15. 6V6
16. 6V6
17. 6V6
18. 6V6
19. 5U4

The K-100 chassis has the following tubes:
1. 6CB8
2. 6U8
3. 6BA6
4. 6AU6
5. 6AU6
6. 6BA6
7. 6BE6
8. 12AX7
9. 12AX7
10. EL37
11. EL37
12. 12AX7
13. 5V4
14. 6X4
15. EM35

The K-100 chassis has 6 indicator lights: Aux 1, Aux 2, Tape, Phono, FM, and AM. The K-100 Selector switch has 9 positions: AM, FM, AES, RIAA, LP, NAB, Tape, Aux 1, and Aux 2.

The K-100 chassis has 5 knobs: selector switch, volume level/loudness control (4 position), tone control - bass/treble, on/off, and station control.

Both my models also have Presence and a Brilliance controls in the upper left and right corners of the front panel.

On the K-100 chassis the "Custom Electra" words are on a plaque on the wood (I own 2 of these models), not on the dial glass.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Sorry, if this is too much information.

Diegoenusa
06-24-2010, 03:56 PM
Hi Guys, I've been looking for an amp for my 1963 Statesmen III with no luck so far. I'm running out of time since my wife is getting impatient... she wants it out of the house if I cannot get it to work! Any ideas? There is nothing on ebay or my local Craigslist. Thanks! Diego (dnorri@gmail.com)

larryderouin
06-25-2010, 07:09 AM
Diego; does it not have the amp in it, or does the amp not work. If it's not working, there are guys who may be able to get it working if you put your town and state in your header. See at the upper right hand corner of my post it gives my town? You need to go into your control panel and make the addition.

FISHER Amps are fairly easy to work on but they have the same restrictions with regards to high voltage as all the rest.

Larry

davis419b
06-27-2010, 11:22 AM
I recently got into the sound of tubes and love the sound. I was looking through CL the other day and saw this console. When I called to ask about it the lady said it had a 500 receiver in it. I will not lie I admit at first I was only thinking of the receiver. When I went and looked at it it was not a 500 it was a TA-600. It seemed to have some issues with the right channel but was in very, very nice condition. She was asking what I thought to be too much for it so I told her I would research it and call back with an offer. In my search I found this sticky with tons of info, thank you very much. When I saw The Red 1,s Premiere all thoughts of robbing the receiver out of it went away quickly, that is one beautiful console. I went back the next day and bought it. I have to admit there is alot about the receiver settings I do not understand but I would like to restore it. I am posting some pictures of it hoping to get some advise about it. These pictures are as it was when I picked it up and have not cleaned anything yet. I am not sure what the little bag of goodies is that was inside the right speaker cabinet as I did not want to open it, sounds like screws.

Don

shacky
06-27-2010, 12:16 PM
That is a beautiful console. Glad someone who appreciates it's sonic value got it :yes:

davis419b
06-27-2010, 12:26 PM
That is a beautiful console. Glad someone who appreciates it's sonic value got it :yes:

Thanks Shacky, now if I can just figure out the controls I can find out where I am at with it !

Sam Cogley
06-27-2010, 01:38 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/59StereoCompanion560CatalogA.jpg

I showed my mother that picture, she said she's seen one of those tambour-door record cabinets at some point in time.

TheRed1
06-27-2010, 04:54 PM
Unfortunately, mine didn't come with a little baggie stashed in the speaker enclosure but I did get a cigar box full of spare tubes, repair receipts and pages of notes on operation, assembly and problem diagnosis flow charts. Depending on what's in your mystery bag, I wonder which one of us got the better deal.

The TA-600 is one of Fisher's great sounding receivers. I would suggest having it restored by someone with a good deal of experience since it is pretty densely populated with components. I have the schematic if you'd like a copy. The 600's FM-AM stereo simulcast receiving feature might take a little explanation - suffice it to say that it isn't very useful in the present. Otherwise, you've got mono FM and mono AM settings and connections for adding an external MPX decoder for FM stereo. Set the selector to FM-AM and use the mono-stereo selector set either to A (FM) or B (AM) which are the regular mono settings. Don't use the stereo setting for radio unless you hook up an external MPX decoder or you'll only have one set of speakers working.

I had a problem in one channel when I first got mine - a crackling sound that turned out to be speaker related. New crossover caps would probably have solved my problem but I decided to replace the Jensen 3-ways with full-range speakers. Stick with your Jensens if you want to keep that warm, nostalgic, magic mid-range that compliments music recorded in the 50s and early 60s so well. You might also try hooking up external speakers for those types of music that the Jensens don't do so well.

I saw another Provincial Premiere a few months ago in the Pomona, CA CL. The seller correctly listed the TA-600 and was asking quite a bit for it. What part of the world did yours come from? I'm very glad and not terribly surprised that you've chosen to keep yours whole. I believe the high-end cabinets for The Fishers from this era were being made by the Widdicomb Furniture Co., of Grand Rapids, MI - probably at their New York plant. I love just looking at mine. Yours looks like it is in as good as (if not better) shape as mine. Take good care of it.I recently got into the sound of tubes and love the sound. I was looking through CL the other day and saw this console. When I called to ask about it the lady said it had a 500 receiver in it. I will not lie I admit at first I was only thinking of the receiver. When I went and looked at it it was not a 500 it was a TA-600. It seemed to have some issues with the right channel but was in very, very nice condition. She was asking what I thought to be too much for it so I told her I would research it and call back with an offer. In my search I found this sticky with tons of info, thank you very much. When I saw The Red 1,s Premiere all thoughts of robbing the receiver out of it went away quickly, that is one beautiful console. I went back the next day and bought it. I have to admit there is alot about the receiver settings I do not understand but I would like to restore it. I am posting some pictures of it hoping to get some advise about it. These pictures are as it was when I picked it up and have not cleaned anything yet. I am not sure what the little bag of goodies is that was inside the right speaker cabinet as I did not want to open it, sounds like screws.

Don

WarrGo
06-27-2010, 07:26 PM
I am guessing it came from Dallas. It was from the original owner. I called on it but i never got a reply. I didn't have the money with out selling other stuff. Glad an AKer got it

davis419b
06-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Mine did come from the Dallas,Tx, area. I responed to the ad within 30 minutes of posting. Mine has that crackling sound in the right channel as well. I went to hook up Klipsch Heresy,s and was confused by the way it was hooked up originally. I went back and looked at the rear picture of yours and did it the same as you, still had the same problem. My local tech just restored my 400 and it sounds great. I would like to find a manuel or some kind of papaerwork that explains all of the settings to be sure thats not the problem. I used a cd player as a source to elimanate other problems. The sound is very strong form the left and very low from the right. It first sounded like the speaker to me also. The volume control does not move as freely as I think it should. I may try to go in and clean all of the controls. I kinda wanted to wait awhile and try to learn something about this unit first. Could any of the settings on the rear cause this problem ? By the way, yours is way more beautiful than mine at this point. I would like to totally restore it completely but I am not sure how much money to tie up in it !

TheRed1
06-27-2010, 10:06 PM
I believe I have figured out the story behind some of Fisher's "lost" consoles. Looking at the chart (http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/) I created you may notice that certain models appear to have sprung into existence with a roman numeral "II" following their names. Where are the original President, Executive, Statesman, Ambassador, Custom Electra, and Diplomat models?

I've known for some time that the original Ambassador was a 1957 model. And I believe that at $1,195, it was the Fisher's top model prior to the President model. I've also been aware that the original Electra model dates back to Avery Fisher's first company, Philharmonic, back in the late '30s and early '40s.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Philharmonic.jpg

The Custom Electra probably debuted in 1955 and the Custom Electra II is probably from the 1957 model year. The Custom Electra II was touted as an improvement over the original but they appear to have both been available during the '57 model year and at the same price. The CE II had the new K-100 chassis that was discussed earlier by Jonboy.

About a month ago I found this illustration in a book on the history of the phonograph that was published in 1959. For the 1960 model year, the original Fisher Statesman, model 1010:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1960FisherStatesmanModel1010.jpg

Then I heard through a fellow AK member that a Fisher Diplomat D-38 model had surfaced on Yahoo's Fisher Group website. My guess is that it is the elusive original Diplomat from 1963 as shown in this ad from Nov. 62:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/DiplomatNov62.jpg

My assumption is that the original Statesman and Diplomat models were mid-season (Christmas) introductions that didn't make it into the catalogs that probably came out in September. There may have been individual brochures for these models but I have yet to find one. The '63 Diplomat is listed in my chassis database as having the same chassis as the '64 Diplomat: the 290-T.

The big news is that I believe I may have cracked the mystery of the original President and Executive models. I thought that I might be able to pin down the chassis numbers of the Executive II by getting the schematics for that model. From information in the schematics it appears that the '58 Executive II was merely a '58 Executive with the addition of a conversion kit, P-709, which included a stereo cartridge, two model PR-6 RIAA preamps, and an octopus-like Radio/Phono switch with 8 cables attached. Both the Executive, model 1000 and the Executive II, model ST-1000, appear to be from the 1958 model year. I'd wager that there was a similar conversion kit for the President model.

My chassis database lists the Executive II as having 2 1000 amps and a 1000 preamp/tuner. I'd always wondered about these chassis. Certainly the FM-1000 tuner and the X-1000 integrated were from much later. I'd also read that there was another X-1000 chassis that was actually a re-labeled X-101-ST. Those even say "Executive" on the faceplate. Well, here's a good view of the combined faceplate for the tuner and control amp (pre amp) of the 1958 Executive (model 1000)/Executive II (model ST-1000):

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1958Executive.jpg

And the backs of the chassis aboard the '58 Executive look like this:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1958ExecutiveChassis.jpg

After looking at the schematics I was able to identify the tuner as Fisher's 80-R. The stereo control amp (preamp) and stereo power amp still have me baffled. They both appear to be stereo units on a single chassis - in 1958! The control amp has 5 controls: Volume, Bass, Treble, 4-Position Loudness Contour and 7-Position Input Selector. Its tube compliment consists of 3 12AX7s. The power amp's tube compliment is (2) EZ80s, (2) 12AU7s and (4) EL84s. Its power supply also provides power for the control amp through an octal umbilical on the front of the chassis. All other components have their own power supplies but plug into the outlets provided on the power amp. I think that it is probable that the chassis numbers for the control amp and power amp might well both be "1000" and that they were used exclusively on the Executive console and not sold as stand-alone components (especially considering the rather elaborate power supply interconnections via the octal umbilical which also passes AC to the power amp chassis).

I think the 1000/ST-1000 Executive is probably even more interesting than the President/Presidnet II. With the P-709 conversion kit and stereo R2R it contained a grand total of 50 tubes! The new Fisher Console Holy Grail?

WarrGo
06-27-2010, 11:13 PM
Davis did you get the fisher 400 that was in grand prairie? I would have liked to have had that premier but money and WAF would have been a big problem. I like that it all opens to the front so it would make a nice tv stand

davis419b
06-28-2010, 09:12 AM
Warrgo : I saw that one but did not buy it. I bought this one from a Klipsch forum member.

tiga
07-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Any information on this 1963 console? From what little I can tell it's a tube hybrid? Is that a bad thing? any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Tiga

TheRed1
07-02-2010, 10:43 PM
Fisher's model A-69 was the Ambassador VI from the 1964 model year. You are correct that it was a hybrid model and that certainly isn't bad. Still plenty of tubes in there to give it a nice warm sound. The Ambassador fell about dead center in Fisher's 1964 model line-up. It, along with that year's Statesman IV and the Futura V, had the 690-T tuner/pre-amp and the 690-A power amp. The 690-A used 8 transistors instead of tubes in the output section.

There was a Futura V discussed here (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=290376) in this thread not long ago. Everything that was said about that model would also apply to the Ambassador VI. Also some basic information at my website here (http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/AmbassadorVI.html).

jonboy55
07-03-2010, 12:16 AM
Does anyone know which fisher model this is?

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/atq/1812342135.html

Thank you.

Sam Cogley
07-03-2010, 01:56 AM
That's an odd one. Definitely mono, and I would guess 1957 or 58. It looks like the mutant hybrid of my 1958 Contemporary and the 1958 Medalist II I just gutted. The receiver looks to be a K120 or R20, and it has the "brilliance" and "presence" controls like the Medalist and Custom Electra II models.

Something about the receiver panel looks a bit off. I'm going to guess that it's a custom cabinet built to house the parts removed from a Medalist II or Custom Electra II.

nelsress
07-04-2010, 02:32 AM
Do any of you Fisher Console fans know anything about an early Fisher Console, Model P410-P with approximate dimensions of 32'' x 19'' x 36''? It may be prior to 1959, I don't know for sure. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

jonboy55
07-04-2010, 09:51 AM
Do any of you Fisher Console fans know anything about an early Fisher Console, Model P410-P with approximate dimensions of 32'' x 19'' x 36''? It may be prior to 1959, I don't know for sure. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

It may be a Fisher Provence from 1958. Also known as a Metalist II.

http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/Provence.html

It this it?

Sam Cogley
07-04-2010, 10:43 AM
The cabinet is definitely the one for a Medalist II. I just dropped one off at the DAV yesterday (sans electronics).

kelly0995
07-06-2010, 01:34 AM
i have a console about that size......from what i rember , it had a balance l&r and the selector had stereo positions , but the amp ,which was on the same chassis ,(6bq5) was mono , there's rca jack for the other amp .......from what i rember ,the owners manuel showed an optional amp and speaker you could buy , the seperate amp was called the fisher companion ,,,,,,,,,my guess is it's around 1958 when stereo was new.
its totaly buried in the garage, ill see if i can get to it & post some pics of the owners manuel , it's in beautiful cond.

Sam Cogley
07-06-2010, 02:38 AM
i have a console about that size......from what i rember , it had a balance l&r and the selector had stereo positions , but the amp ,which was on the same chassis ,(6bq5) was mono , there's rca jack for the other amp .......from what i rember ,the owners manuel showed an optional amp and speaker you could buy , the seperate amp was called the fisher companion ,,,,,,,,,my guess is it's around 1958 when stereo was new.
its totaly buried in the garage, ill see if i can get to it & post some pics of the owners manuel , it's in beautiful cond.

That would be a '59 model. The lower-tier models were still all mono in '58, including the Medalist II - I stripped one Friday and it certainly had an R-20 receiver, not the stereo-capable R-30-S.

TheRed1
07-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Do any of you Fisher Console fans know anything about an early Fisher Console, Model P410-P with approximate dimensions of 32'' x 19'' x 36''? It may be prior to 1959, I don't know for sure. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

I have that model number listed in my chassis database as a 1959 PROVENCE II with the R-30-S chassis. However, it is not in Fisher's catalogs or price lists from either '58 or '59. A very mysterious and unusual Fisher console with a very interesting semi-stereo chassis. Can YOU tell us any more about it?

jonboy55
07-08-2010, 06:37 PM
For those of you in the Southern California area who are looking for a Fisher Philharmonic II there is one being sold on Ebay.

I have nothing to do with the listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120591730849&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Jon

ddeland
07-11-2010, 12:39 AM
I just picked up an Ambassador V in pristine condition. I bought it from a lady whose parents bought it new in 1963. They gave me the original sales brochure, owners manual, I even got the original sales receipt. You'll notice that it's still in the back of my truck; although I did back it into the garage. I couldn't get in touch with either of my neighbors to help me move it.

I took the tubes out prior to transporting it. It's got some nice Fisher labeled Westinghouse 7591s for the output tubes. Lots of Fisher labeled Telefunken 12AX7/ECC83s and even one Amperex Bugle Boy 12AX7/ECC83. As well as a couple of misc. RCAs and the like.

This is my first console and I’m really looking forward to this one.

kelly0995
07-11-2010, 06:12 PM
thats a beautiful piece for shure !,,,,,,,,,,,most have 6bq5's for output , this must be more top of the line with the 7591's for about @ 25/30 wpc.
what pre/tuner does it have , cornet?......garrard turntable?

ddeland
07-11-2010, 08:27 PM
Thanks man!

It looks like this is an (A-68IP) Italian Provincial cabinet in walnut. The tuner/pre is a 680-T and it has a Garrard Type A turntable

jjohnson
07-12-2010, 06:53 PM
That is sweet. Thanks for being so quick on the draw. If you'd have hesitated, my wife might have killed me for bringing it home.:D

jonboy55
07-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Today I picked up a Fisher Custom Electra IV and a Fisher Chadwick. They both came from the same family. The Electra was purchased in about 1961 and the Chadwick about a year later. The Electra was in the house of the son (now age 72) and the Chadwick was in his fathers house.

The Custom Electra IV is model E44 in the Early American cabinet with chassis 440T and 440A. The Chadwick uses chassis 460T and 460A with a multiplex unit. This appears to be in a Provincial cabinet.

Both are in nice condition with almost no scratches. I was told the Electra doesn't work but with one of the output tubes broken I knew there would be a problems. I didn't test eather of them yet.

It started to rain here and I had to move them quickly into the garage. I hope to have more photographs, especially the speakers within the next few days.

Here are the photographs of the Electra. The next post will have photographs of the Chatwick.

jonboy55
07-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Here are the photographs of the Fisher Chadwick.

I'll have more photographs within the next few days.

WarrGo
07-15-2010, 08:55 AM
Cool finds. I have a custom Electra IV in early American. Yours appears to be a lighter color then mine. Also noted that the wires in the back seem to be not as neatly place as mine was before I worked on it. I would like to see a better close up of the RCA jacks on the tuner. I have seen two different version of them

jonboy55
07-15-2010, 06:46 PM
Cool finds. I have a custom Electra IV in early American. Yours appears to be a lighter color then mine. Also noted that the wires in the back seem to be not as neatly place as mine was before I worked on it. I would like to see a better close up of the RCA jacks on the tuner. I have seen two different version of them

I'm going to get more photographs up in the next few days. It looks to me that the Electra has had some work done on it. If you look closely at the amp you can even see one of the output tubes is broken. I'll get you a better view of the tuner.

TheRed1
07-15-2010, 07:22 PM
Today I picked up a Fisher Custom Electra IV and a Fisher Chadwick. They both came from the same family. The Electra was purchased in about 1961 and the Chadwick about a year later. The Electra was in the house of the son (now age 72) and the Chadwick was in his fathers house.Knowing how addictive these consoles can be, I imagine households with multiple Fishers must have been quite common among the well to do. What must it have been like to walk into a Fisher showroom in the early 60s with a healthy enough bank balance to cover the price of admission? I've only had the opportunity to talk with one original purchaser and I didn't have the wherewithal to ask that question.

Did you happen to receive any documentation with the Chadwick? 1962 sounds about right for the year. I'd love to know where it was purchased and for how much or anything else about this somewhat obscure Fisher console. Here is a post with what little I know of this model:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3747940#post3747940

relaximus
07-15-2010, 09:04 PM
Knowing how addictive these consoles can be, I imagine households with multiple Fishers must have been quite common among the well to do.
Carter:

Are you as jealous as I am with this unbelievably fortunate find? What an amazing Fisher console honey-pot!

Dave

larryderouin
07-15-2010, 09:08 PM
Dave; Count me in on the Jealous wagon. And i've got 3 Fishers (no totally tubed tho.....DAMN!!)

Larry

jonboy55
07-15-2010, 10:00 PM
Knowing how addictive these consoles can be, I imagine households with multiple Fishers must have been quite common among the well to do. What must it have been like to walk into a Fisher showroom in the early 60s with a healthy enough bank balance to cover the price of admission? I've only had the opportunity to talk with one original purchaser and I didn't have the wherewithal to ask that question.

Did you happen to receive any documentation with the Chadwick? 1962 sounds about right for the year. I'd love to know where it was purchased and for how much or anything else about this somewhat obscure Fisher console. Here is a post with what little I know of this model:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3747940#post3747940


Sorry, I really don't have information to add concerning the Chadwick.

The consoles came from Central New Jersey. The wife placed the ad for the Chadwick and said it belonged to her father-in-law. Also mentioned a second Fisher console made within a year of the Chadwick. I asked for pictures of the second Fisher and it turned out to be the Electra IV.

I first went to the son's home where they had the Electra IV in the "den" and were using it as a base for their large color TV. He said that his wife had already owned it prior to their marriage. He was a builder and the house was built in 1962 or 1963. I guess it came along with her in the marriage. The son was 72 and retired. We both lifted it out to the cargo van. He said it hadn't been used in years. Fortunately, he had a nice cloth over it to protect the top from the color TV.

We then drove about 10 minutes to his fathers house and picked up the Chadwick. It was kept in the living room. The only member of the family I met was the son but he said his father is 92 year old! The Chadwick also had not been used for years. Both units had been kept in clean dry sections of the house. I could see that some of the tubes had been replaced over the years with non Fisher brand. I was also told that the Electra turntable was once out for repair for about 3 months.

The son was extremely nice and helpful but not really giving when I tried to ask questions about the equipment. The homes were average middle to upper middle class variety and well kept. The only paper I received was the Electra IV Operating Instructions book (10 pages).

I won't have until this weekend to take additional pictures. I want to see the speakers and take a closer look at the chassis. Right now both units are in my garage. I have a very small home and the only Fisher in it now is the Electra II that is across the room from me in my office room.

My other Electra II and Consolette 61 are also in the garage at this time. My home only has 850 square feet and not much else I can fit in here. My basement will eventually house the Fishers - it's clean and dry down there. I need to sell a few of my over 100 radios and TV's in the basement before I can bring anything else down there. There is also the problem of about 7000 tubes (in boxes) I purchased about a year ago. It takes a long time to sell them.

I paid $150.00 total for both the Chadwick and Electra IV.

Pictures to follow this weekend.

jonboy55
07-15-2010, 10:38 PM
I have posted a copy of the Fisher Custom Electra IV Operating Instructions at the following:

http://users.ntplx.net/~jonk/electra%20iv%20owners%20manual.pdf

Sam Cogley
07-16-2010, 04:29 PM
They should have devised a truly outlandish console above and beyond the President and Executive. It could have been named "The Kingfisher." :D

analog addict
07-19-2010, 03:17 PM
let me add these 610 schematics here. Red if this is a dupe post, let me know and I'll delete it....

A.A.

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/Fisher610ST_Cover.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/Fisher610ST_PartsList.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/Fisher610ST_Schem1.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/Fisher610ST_Schem2.jpg

rshadley
08-29-2010, 12:55 AM
the diplomat. fired it up and fm works fm stereo I get a buz and the right channel works on the phono. Have yet to get inside.

rshadley
08-29-2010, 12:56 AM
i forgot to say 17.50 and it was mine

larryderouin
08-29-2010, 01:09 AM
Diplomat II (1964)
(Model E-39)

Chassis: 290-T

TT: Garrard AT-6

14 Tubes/20 Watts

Price: $549.50* (French Provincial/Italian Provincial)
$499.50* (Modern)

*For Multiplex, add $20

D-39-W (Modern/Mahogany)

rshadley; Yours is the Modern/mahoghany. Clean all the switches, pots with deoxit. Sounds like 99% of your problem is dirty contacts. Nice looking console. Check for the Multiplex add on. That may be the reason you get a buzz in FM STEREO.

Larry

TheRed1
08-29-2010, 08:28 PM
rshadley, that wouldn't be the same Diplomat that was discussed on Yahoo's Fisher Group website recently? Could that be the elusive 1963 D-38 Diplomat (I)? It's not listed on my website or in Fisher's 1963 console catalog or even on their price list. But I did post a blurb about it here along with some other recent discoveries:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3802752#post3802752

Incidentally, I did finally acquire a 1960 Fisher console catalog along with the 1960 price list and the original Statesman model 1010 is, in fact, listed in both. The scan I had relied on previously was missing the Statesman pages. So my theory that the Statesman was a mid-season introduction was incorrect.

rshadley
08-29-2010, 10:41 PM
It is not the one discussed on yahoo fishers group website. It is the D-38 (I) and I came across it at a thrift on friday and actually waited untill saturday as they were having a 50% off sale.

jonboy55
09-02-2010, 09:50 AM
I have made scans of the Operating Instructions for the Fisher Custom Electra II.

It is posted at the following:

http://users.ntplx.net/~jonk/FISHER%20CUSTOM%20ELECTRA.pdf

Also posted is a scan of a 12 page Fisher Console catalog from the late 1950's:

http://users.ntplx.net/~jonk/fisher%20catalog%202.pdf

Let me know if there are any problems in downloading them.

Jon

TheRed1
09-02-2010, 11:11 PM
Jonboy55---Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been looking for the 1957 Fisher console catalog for many years. I thought at first that it was a different version of the 1958 catalog since the contents are almost identical. But when I read "A Quality Tradition That Is Twenty Years Young," and did the math (of course, Avery was counting from his 1937 founding of Philharmonic Radio but we won't quibble) I knew it was THE YEAR - 1957. Fisher was, indeed, advertising STEREO in 1957. I had almost given up hope that there would ever be proof that Fisher was among the first few companies to offer stereo radio-phonographs.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1957President.jpg

I wonder what month the catalog came out. I did note the code 2025F50-57 on the right margin of the last page. I checked the 1958 catalog for a similar code and found 3350F75-58. I can't seem to get a month out of those first 7 characters. Anyone?

Sam Cogley
09-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Looks like it still had a mono TT but a stereo tape deck - just like the early Ampex stereo units. I wonder if Avery actually beat Ampex to market?

It's really amazing how few pre-58 Fisher consoles have turned up. Their early 60s units seem to be as common as fleas.

Bucky Badger
09-03-2010, 03:03 AM
Just picked up my '63 ambassador V yesterday and boy are my arms tired...... Really, they are. This thing is heavy and I can't wait to bring her back to her former glory. Great thread.:yes:

jonboy55
09-03-2010, 08:00 AM
Jonboy55---Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been looking for the 1957 Fisher console catalog for many years. I thought at first that it was a different version of the 1958 catalog since the contents are almost identical. But when I read "A Quality Tradition That Is Twenty Years Young," and did the math (of course, Avery was counting from his 1937 founding of Philharmonic Radio but we won't quibble) I knew it was THE YEAR - 1957. Fisher was, indeed, advertising STEREO in 1957. I had almost given up hope that there would ever be proof that Fisher was among the first few companies to offer stereo radio-phonographs.

I wonder what month the catalog came out. I did note the code 2025F50-57 on the right margin of the last page. I checked the 1958 catalog for a similar code and found 3350F75-58. I can't seem to get a month out of those first 7 characters. Anyone?


Glad to help.

I can't make any headway with the code except for the last 2 digits being the year. The first digits could simply be an internal "production" code used by their promotion department, advertising agency, or printer. Sometimes these codes use 2 of the digits to refer to the week of the year it was produced. We might never been able to find out.

Originally I scanned the catalog in single pages on my home "4-in-1" printer. But I just found out yesterday that our local library has a very large "public" scanner so I was able to scan the 2 page spreads without breaking them into single pages. It makes for a better view of the products. You can then have them emailed to yourself or copy them to a USB drive. Our library doesn't charge for the service.

By the way, I purchased the catalog and Custom Electra instructions on E*** last week.

Westy56
09-08-2010, 08:29 AM
I thought it better to continue this discussion in the console thread.


Yes, the letter code at the end of Fisher's console model numbers indicates the wood/finish. The wood used in your Series 60 looks like oak in your photos. Is that what it is?

The finish on my '60 Fisher Premiere appears to be lacquer. It is very moisture sensitive. However, my '59 Series 510 consolette appears to have some sort of varnish. It has tiny cracks running along with the grain and does not show any of the hazy areas that I associate with lacquer exposed to moisture. Lacquer vs. varnish could be a 1950s vs. 1960s Fisher thing or, more probably, a high-end vs. low-end Fisher thing.

Your Fisher, being a petite blonde model, is a prime candidate for a make-over. I recommend hand-sanding through the damage on top and then staining to match. The damage looks superficial so it could easily be a weekend project and well worth the effort.


I think I have to deal with varnish. I only had turpentine and denatured alcohol to test with. It had no effect on the finish


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/19541/what_type_of_finish_does_your_furniture_pg2.html?c at=6


I'm pretty sure it's a 60-B, although the amp chassis only has "60" stamped on the tag.

Thanks for the help


Steve

TheRed1
09-08-2010, 04:44 PM
I thought it better to continue this discussion in the console thread. I'm pretty sure it's a 60-B, although the amp chassis only has "60" stamped on the tag.The console model number would be 60-B. Fisher chassis have their own ID numbers which in your case is the "60". You would suspect that the chassis number should match the console model number but this is only occasionally true. Very often Fisher, especially with their consolettes, would mismatch one model year cabinet with another model year chassis. There were almost certainly Series 60 consolettes that left Long Island City with either a "101" chassis from the previous model year or a "61" chassis from the next. Yours just happens to match.

jonboy55
10-03-2010, 06:23 PM
Here are the photographs of the Fisher Chadwick.

I'll have more photographs within the next few days.

Here are more photographs of the Fisher Chadwick I picked up in July. You can see the speaker system and closer pictures of the chassis.

I just rearranged the garage and was able to get to it. Soon I hope to start the restorations.

jonboy55
10-03-2010, 06:27 PM
Today I picked up a Fisher Custom Electra IV and a Fisher Chadwick. They both came from the same family. The Electra was purchased in about 1961 and the Chadwick about a year later. The Electra was in the house of the son (now age 72) and the Chadwick was in his fathers house.

The Custom Electra IV is model E44 in the Early American cabinet with chassis 440T and 440A. The Chadwick uses chassis 460T and 460A with a multiplex unit. This appears to be in a Provincial cabinet.

Both are in nice condition with almost no scratches. I was told the Electra doesn't work but with one of the output tubes broken I knew there would be a problems. I didn't test eather of them yet.

It started to rain here and I had to move them quickly into the garage. I hope to have more photographs, especially the speakers within the next few days.

Here are the photographs of the Electra. The next post will have photographs of the Chatwick.


Here are more photographs of the Fisher Custom Electra IV I piced up in July. You can see the speaker system and closer pictures of the chassis.

I just rearranged the garage and was able to get to it. Soon I hope to start the restorations.

Hink
10-11-2010, 02:20 PM
Hi Guys, I could use your help. My 92 year old Grandpa pass a few weeks back and he owned a Fisher Console. I was hopeing the fine folks on here could tell me what I have. It's a Model E492 chassis 21R

here's some pictures

Thanks in avvance for any info or advice

Dave

TheRed1
10-11-2010, 03:06 PM
Hi Dave, welcome to AK. Sorry to hear about your Grandfather. Your Fisher is a 1967 Custom Electra with the Mediterranean cabinet. The 21-R receiver is also known as the Fisher 220. What sort of advice are you looking for? Of course, we here are going to advise you to keep it - maybe put a little work into bringing it into condition for daily use.

Did you inherit any of your Grandfather's record collection? A man who owned a Fisher was probably pretty serious about his music. What type of music did he listen to?

Here's some info from Fisher '67 console catalog:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/1967%20Fisher%20Console%20Catalog/Page_09CustomElectra.jpg

Hink
10-11-2010, 03:25 PM
Thanks for the quick reply Red [Edited by Moderator]

It sounds great to me but the turntable does not spin (belt?) it has sound from the needle. As for records, he had mostly showtunes. He worked at a fine Furniture store in his younger days which may explain why he had such a nice setup.

larryderouin
10-12-2010, 01:59 PM
Hink: Nice Electra. '67 was last year as a CUSTOM Electra. In '68 the name was changed to ROYAL Electra.

The Turntable is an IDLER WHEEL or RIM DRIVE. No belts. Pull the platter off after removing the spindle and the "C" clip. Clean the inside rim of the platter with HOT WATER, DAWN and a Nylon Scrubbie. Rinse and DRY! Remove the Idler Wheel and do the SAME. DO NOT TOUCH THE RUBBER or the INNER RIM of the platter AFTER CLEANING. A drop or two on the IDLER WHEEL SHAFT and the PLATTER CENTER SHAFT of Either Zoom Turbine Oil (Ace Hardware) or Singer Sewing Machine Oil is required.

Re-assemble in reverse order. Fire it up and Thank your GRAMPS for all the MEMORIES. If it has a Pickering V15F Cartridge, get the elyptical stylus. About $30. each on most of the internet needle shops. Turntableneedles.com, LPGEAR.com. or KABUSA.com has them.

Larry

jonboy55
10-14-2010, 06:06 PM
Here is an blurb from Billboard Magazine dated July 15, 1957 promoting the Fisher 3000 President console that will be available for viewing at the 1957 Radio Show in Chicago.

Sorry for the poor quality. The article to the left of the picture has nothing to do with the blurb.

Not a bad deal for $2,495.00!!

ksks
10-21-2010, 07:11 PM
800-B receiver, Garrard Laboratory Series turntable, no tape deck, 3 way speakers. 22 tubes including the tuning eye tubes. Add 11 tubes if the tape deck is included (per diagram).

perchdog
10-21-2010, 07:35 PM
where is the console ??

hmm, info The Red One provided indicates a 800C for that unit. For sure yours is the 800B and has the Executive face plate. Very cool, I prefer the looks of the 800B myself.

TheRed1
10-21-2010, 08:13 PM
Thanks for posting those photos, ksks. Your 990A-PM is/was a 1962 Executive VII Provincial in Mahogany (PM) which IS supposed to have an 800-B:

http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/ExecutiveVII.html

A very appropriate console for this time of year - especially the very rare Winged Death's-Head model shown below:

lhttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Halloween-Console.jpg

perchdog
10-21-2010, 08:22 PM
Thanks for posting those photos, ksks. Your 990A-PM is/was a 1962 Executive VII Provincial in Mahogany (PM) which IS supposed to have an 800-B:

http://members.cox.net/fisherconsoles/ExecutiveVII.html

A very appropriate console for this time of year - especially the very rare Winged Death's-Head model shown below:

Dang, wrong again... could swear I seen 800C... Still preferr the looks of the 'B'..

Winged Death's-Head ? :yikes:

ksks
10-22-2010, 08:58 AM
See here for the speakers that were in the 990-A:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=328414

Unfortunately the cabinet had to go away.

tiga
10-22-2010, 02:37 PM
Hello - just curious if anyone has any info on this model. There is one for sale locally. Looks SS to me. Thanks!
Tiga

TheRed1
10-22-2010, 04:14 PM
The P292 was a 1967 Custom Philharmonic and, yes, it was solid state. The previous year's Philharmonic was the last of The Fisher's tube consoles. So close.

gpsmithii
11-07-2010, 05:16 PM
Hello,

I have recently been gifted a Fisher Ambassador V model A-68.
I'm looking for schematics of the 680-T and 680-A.

Thanks in advance for your help.

larryderouin
11-07-2010, 08:26 PM
FISHER CONSOLE Tuners and Amplifiers schematics are some of the hardest to get hold of. If you can find them they will cost about 20-25 for the set (manuals)for both. But you might get lucky and someone here has a set of schematics.

Fisherdoc has them. Expect to spend about $20.

Larry

gpsmithii
11-08-2010, 11:54 AM
FISHER CONSOLE Tuners and Amplifiers schematics are some of the hardest to get hold of. If you can find them they will cost about 20-25 for the set (manuals)for both. But you might get lucky and someone here has a set of schematics.

Fisherdoc has them. Expect to spend about $20.

Larry

Fisherdoc ? Is that a web site, a user on the form?

I found the web site today.

Thanks!

TheRed1
11-19-2010, 01:44 AM
Welcome to the forum. I think Larry is correct on all accounts. I have an owner's manual for a '64 Philharmonic IV which was based on the 290-T chassis. It shows the 4 RCA plate mounted on the back of the cabinet but not the lone RCA or the switch. The single RCA, as Larry said, has to be the TV input. Not so sure about the switch. Perhaps it toggles between the mono TV audio and the stereo AUX input. It should be easy to figure it out.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/290-T.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/FisherPhilharmonicP-29Chassis.jpg

Your chassis was apparently from a 1964 Living Theatre III. I am guessing you only have the chassis and not the whole console. The '64 Living Theatre III was housed in slightly modified Diplomat II cabinets (long & low) and used the same chassis as the Diplomat II and the Philharmonic IV: the 290-T. My first suspicion as to the identity of the 3 wire plug was the optional wireless remote that was available on this model. But I think Larry is probably correct that it is the power cable for the record changer. The remote receiver may have been integrated into the TV chassis. The sales literature doesn't specifically state whether the remote operates the power and volume for the whole console or just the TV. You would think that Fisher would have done their TV console right but I know Avery Fisher disliked TV. His view was that the TV ought to be relegated to the bedroom whereas the hi-fi belonged in the living room.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/64LivingTheatreIII.jpg

Brian McGowa
11-25-2010, 09:05 PM
Wow did Fisher build there own TV's or did they have another company build them for there living theater consoles?When was the last year that Fisher made a console?Was there a Fisher console made after Emmerson or Sanyo?How many years did Emmerson own Fisher before they sold it to Sanyo?What year did Avery sell the Fisher company?Did the dealerships still exsit after Avery sold the company?Sorry for all these questions,but these are things I always wondred about! I can not comment about the quality after Emmerson took over as I do not think I ever saw a Fisher made by Emmerson except maybe on the internet?Brian

TheRed1
11-26-2010, 04:05 PM
I'm pretty sure Fisher built their own TV chassis. Starting way back in the late 40s Fisher began selling television sets. They advertised "flat-screen" and even projection TVs. But throughout the 50s until the advent of their "Living Theatre" series of consoles in 1961 they concentrated on hi-fi. For the most part I believe Fisher viewed TV as the enemy.

I'm not sure when the last console with the Fisher name on it was produced. The last real "The Fisher" consoles probably date from around 1972. The "4" series (President 4, Executive 4, etc.) from '72 are very intriguing from a price prospective ($3500 for the President 4) and the fact of their being quadraphonic consoles.

Your question about when Sanyo took over from Emerson has a complicated answer. It appears to have happened over a 4-year period from 1973 to 1977. The early 70s was a turbulent period in the US electonics industry with numerous mergers and much shifting of production overseas with the consequent closure of US plants. It's difficult to untangle the complicated web of ownership with regard to the various corporate entities involved.

Emerson itself was a subsidiary of National Union Electric Co. when it acquired Fisher in 1969. National Union also owned DuMont and who knows who else. In 1970 National Union subcontracted the home entertainment portions of its Emerson (which should have included Fisher) and DuMont divisions to Admiral Corp. which was one of the corporate leaders in shifting production overseas. Fisher probably maintained some production facilities here in the US, like the Milroy, Pa. speaker plant, but I suspect the majority of their production was shifted overseas to take advantage of lower labor costs.

After selling his company, Avery Fisher remained active in its affairs well into the 1980s. He was paid in Emerson stock which provided a significant financial incentive for him to continue to promote the company. Plus there was his name and reputation to protect.

Originally Fisher's sales were primarily out of his Manhattan "Fisher Radio Salon" and via mail order. He also experimented with selling through some of the more upscale department stores like B. Altman's in New York and Woodward & Lowthrup here in Washington, DC. Eventually Fisher offered "dealerships" (that might not be the correct term) to select independent music stores throughout the country. It would be interesting to try to compile a complete listing. They would often stamp their name and address on Fisher sales literature. Ultimately Fisher discontinued his in-house showroom in Manhattan sometime in the 60s, I think. Fisher products continued to be offered through select music stores up to the Sanyo period. At that point they pulled out of most of the up-scale music stores (many of which, like Washington, DC's Campbell Music Stores - were having problems staying afloat) and sought wider distribution through chains and department stores.

I have done some investigation of what would have been my local Fisher dealership - Campbell Music. Their history and that of their owner, Earl Campbell, closely parallels Fisher's own history. They both started at about the same time - just prior to WWII - and they both saw the writing on the wall and cashed out in the mid-to-late 60s. Both had some music background and both were patrons of the arts. They were undoubtedly acquainted and I wouldn't be surprised if they were friends.

Brian McGowa
11-26-2010, 06:27 PM
Thank you so very much and I really mean that as I have been wantting to learn about Avery Fisher and his company for quite some time!Was there ever a book written about Avery Fisher and his company?Would my Fisher 450 T Receiver which according to the Fisher warranty to owner card that was filled out it reads that it was purchased on 4/20/73,and the serial number is 23660F.My receiver seems to look older than 1973 so could it have been NOS from our local Fisher dealer which was House of TV and Radio in Wausau Wisconsin.The owners name was Andy Folgert.He was the only place I could find that sold Fisher in our area,although there could have been others?I knew the man fairly well and he used to have a silk or cloth like sign that read
The Fisher Showroom!The sign had fringes all along the bottom and they were either yellow or gold in color!When I asked him about it he said he sold Fishers many years ago and just never took the sign down! That man saved everything,and I do mean everything!When he passed away his wife trusted no one so she had everything that did not have someones name on it hauled away in huge dumpsters for the landfill!She said I doubt I would get the true market value for this stuff so no one is going to get anything that does not have there name on it!It truely was sad as I would have loved to have hung that sign above my Fisher Console!I also would haved liked to have gotten all my tubes back,but since it did not have my name on them I figured I was screwed!That guy had the biggest tube collection I have ever seen!He had no less then 10 to 15 thousand tubes in his shop! I was lucky enough to get from one of the dumpsters a sign for a finacial loan from a local bank!He told me back in the 50's and 60's most people who purchased an exspensive TV or Stereo had to use the payment plain in order to be able to own one and it was done through a local bank!It now sits on the console in memory of him!Brian

TheRed1
11-26-2010, 07:27 PM
Brian, that 'Fisher Showroom' sign sounds so cool! I wonder if there are any more out there. It's a shame all that stuff from the House of TV and Radio was lost. It has crossed my mind to try to locate the old Fisher dealerships around the country to see if any have held on to any Fisher related items. By the way, since you haven't posted any photos of your Philharmonic yet - this "sticky" would be an excellent place to do so when you get around to it.

There are a few good magazine articles from back in the day, but unfortunately, I don't believe anyone has written a book on Fisher yet. I'm not certain that there is really enough material out there on the man and his company to make a proper book. The Fisher Radio Corp. was owned outright by Fisher. Since he didn't have stockholders he wasn't required to make many disclosures about the operations of his company. I know of a few Fisher fans around the world who have bits and pieces of the story but it would be a major undertaking to try to piece it all together. I try to do what I can.

The 450-T dates back to at least 1970. I have a catalog from that year that lists it. A very nice looking receiver, by the way. Does yours still have its RK-40 wired remote for the Autoscan feature?

Brian McGowa
11-27-2010, 10:54 AM
No I do not have the remote and since I do not do Ebay my chances are slim on finding one! I gladly would pay up to $50.00 maybe even more for one that looked almost new and worked like it should! As for pictures I really would love to post some more then anything,but first I need to learn how to take the pictures from any of my
digital cameras and learn how to transfer them to my computer.I do have the USB cable and the software disc for one of my kodaks so maybe I should install the disc and give it a try!Thank you for all your help so far! Brian

Fisherdude
11-27-2010, 11:03 AM
Brian, if you want one you simply have to watch eBay. I got two there, one for the opening bid of $1.99. You could spend the rest of your life looking at local yard and estate sales and never find one.

eBay covers the world.

enewcomb
12-01-2010, 09:53 AM
Hi,

I have information and all the components for a 1956 Fisher President II. I inherited it from my uncle. As for price, my mother told me she remembered it costing her brother around $3,000. in 1956. He knew Avery Fisher, was a big Opera fan, and taped live operas, a few of which I have.

It was exactly at the transition to Stereo. Tape was stereo in 1956. Records were stereo in 1958. FM stereo was via a few experimental broadcast methods in 1956.

It had a pair of fisher 30 watt mono blocks, Mullard EL37s. I use EL-34s now, enough power for me. I will try some 6L6s soon. I am still listening to them every day, they sound awesome. I replaced some capacitors recently.

The speakers were 4 way, all electrovoice drivers, 16 ohms.
15" woofer (15B or 15W, I forget. Woofer weighs 37lbs, 7" thick magnet, chrome spider)
compound diffraction horn, (actually 2 coaxial mountet horns, 1 driver)
horn tweeter, brilliance and presence crossover controls on the back.
I had custom rosewood cabinets made, and listen to them every day. Had the woofers re-coned in NYC years ago, and had electrovoice rebuild a burnt tweeter when they were still in business, as well as a spare pair in case.

The original Viking 75 tape deck was 1/4 " tape, 2 track stereo. It had a switch for either in-line or staggered stereo tapes, and two playback heads. I listened to the 2 track stereo tapes I also inherited and bought at garage sales way back. I cannot describe how great a wide 2 track tape sounds. I need a hard to find drive belt (fabric). If there is anyone who can help me get a belt for it, that would be stupendous.
The Garard changer was mono originally, but Fisher technicians came to my uncles house and added a pair of phono preamps, a new stereo cartridge, and a deck mounted switch for mono or stereo.

Separate Fisher tuners for fm and am, mounted either side of the center control panel. Live binaural stereo broadcasts were being done then. Select FM, tune in WCBS fm for left side of the stage, Select AM, tune in WCBS am for the live right side of the stage. Select Stereo, listen to live stereo. System did not last long.

All the various equalization curves for tape and records were individually selectable in the control panel.

I have all the original manuals for the components, cut sheets of the electrovoice drivers, and the operating instructions from Fisher. (individually typed and assembled in a 3 punch binder).

Let me know if you want any more info.

Elliott

Fisherdude
12-01-2010, 10:04 AM
Hi Elliott, and welcome to AK!

You system sounds stupendous! Speaking for all of us, I'm sure we'd love to see some pictures!:yes: I don't know if you have any photos of the system in its original cabinet from when your uncle still owned it, but those would be awesome as well.

I find the comments about service quality in the past quite amazing. The Fisher techs came to your uncle's house! Wow!

Keep your fingers crossed, somebody might have info on the belt for your tape deck. In fact, I would suggest that you make a short post in the Tape Forum asking if anybody knows of any sources for parts for that deck.

And we're glad you're here!:thmbsp:

TheRed1
12-04-2010, 09:08 PM
Elliot! I don't know how I missed your post until now. I think I saw Fisherdude's response to your post and mistook it for an earlier post. I would love to know more about your Uncle's President. He obviously lived in the New York City area and undoubtedly purchased his President at Fisher's Radio Salon. Do you have his receipt? In 1956 I would expect it would have been at the original 47th St. location in Hotel Marguery. He probably dealt directly with Mr. Fisher.

It wasn't your average opera fan who had the means and the wherewithal to seek out Fisher's groundbreaking new President. Would you mind divulging your Uncle's name? If we can document that he purchased his President in 1956 it would mean that Fisher was undoubtedly the first to put out a stereo console. AK member Jonboy55's recent find of a 1957 Fisher console catalog with the stereo President and Executive consoles confirmed that Fisher was at least among the very first. But not even Ampex had one out as early as 1956.

analog addict
12-04-2010, 10:49 PM
Let me know if you want any more info.

Elliott

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/thread_is_worthless.jpg

moonstation2
01-03-2011, 12:43 PM
Hi all, I just checked out the 3 console sets out that have been sitting outside in the garage for years and years and it turns out one of them is a Fisher, fully intact. I'm going to bring it inside the house today and check it out. I found this forum after looking for info on the set. It looks like a 64 Electra, but I haven't seen an identifying serial # or plate anywhere. I'll post pics soon.

One of the other sets looks like a Sears Silvertone solid state, and the other looks like garbage but I can't remember the name.

Anyway I'm excited to bring it inside and start bringing it back to life.

moonstation2
01-03-2011, 02:52 PM
Pics

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3505.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3506.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3509.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3510.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3511.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3512.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3513.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3514.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/moonstation2000/Fisher%20Console%20Stereo/IMG_3525.jpg

jonboy55
01-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Can you tell us the model numbers on the 2 chassis?

larryderouin
01-03-2011, 03:49 PM
jonboy: It's a E-49-IP '64 Custom Electra VI in Italian Provincial. 590-T,481-A Garrard AT-6 Changer (V15F Pickering Cartridge). $645.00

Moonstation: Can you insert your basic location in your profile, please? That way if you have a problem and one of the members is close, a visual and help would be available.

Nice '64. I've got Service Manuals for 62,63,& 65 Electra's. The Hat-trick would be getting the 60,61,&64 Service Manuals.

Sweet Italian Provincial. Looks like the Electronics are in fair shape. Make up a Dim Bulb Tester(DBT), and start with a 60W for an hour, then 75W bulb for a 1/2 hour, and finally a 100W for a 1/2 hour. Between bulb changes power off no less than 10 minutes. Short cycling hurts the tubes. After 1/2 hour on the 100W, plug it in to the wall and power up.

When on the DBT, you will look and listen for redplating tubes, shorts, arcing, dead tubes (no glow, although the small signal tubes won't show well except in a dark room). If any of the above, power down and fix before continuing.

The 1st link is how to make one, and the 2nd is how it works, and what to look for on the tester when operating.

http://www.antiqueradio.org/dimbulb.htm

http://www.tubehome.com/watch/how-to-use-a-dim-bulb-tester-bad-tube-radio-with-internal-short-circuit-from-www-ppinyot-com

Good Luck.

Larry

moonstation2
01-04-2011, 09:32 PM
Thanks for the advice. I have no service manual for it, unfortunately. It came with some record cleaning supplies but that was it.

I had already started it up when I saw your post. Luckily nothing burned to the ground. Actually it worked well with the exception of the record player, which isn't working correctly. The radio works fine although the volume pot needs cleaning. I ran it for half an hour or so and it worked fine. Sounded great!

Should I still do the test? The console is coming inside tomorrow when I can get my sisters boyfriend to help me carry it, this thing is heavy.

TheRed1
01-04-2011, 11:46 PM
Moonstation2: Congratulations on your Custom Electa VII! You were lucky it powered up without any special effects. Fisher consoles seem to have a knack for defying the odds and continuing to function. I would suggest having a good look inside both chassis and perhaps some prophylactic capacitor replacement if you plan to use it as a daily driver. Otherwise, a nearby fire extinguisher and close monitoring would be in order.

Can you confirm that the chassis are the 590-T and the 481-A?

What is its story? Is it a family piece or did it come with the garage? I don't suppose there's a chance it was previously owned by AK member Auxtech66 in North Western Pa.? If not, it's got a twin across state. He posted some photos of his in this thread including the tube layout diagram which appears to have gone missing on yours:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2266621#post2266621

Larry: I think Moonstation2's CE VII is the modern cabinet. The basket weave grill cover is oriented like the catalog illustration of the IP but note the hardware and the placement of the legs. I think Fisher just changed the basket weave on us to keep us on our toes.

moonstation2
01-05-2011, 01:45 PM
The Red1; My plan is to bring it inside and use it occasionally as a bedroom stereo, probably mostly with an ipod. I'll probably take it apart and clean everything when I get a chance. I'll have to look at the caps and replace them too, I don't want any fires!

Not sure about the chassis, I'll check and post later.

I talked to my Dad about the 3 consoles that were out there. He got them all from the same guy years and years ago but doesn't remember much else. They have been in the attic for a long time and my dad would regularly suggest smashing them up and junking them to make room. I'm glad I checked them out first. I took a look at the pics, they look like twins all right. I wish mine had the diagram, and I would love to have some sort of owners manual. The old Sears Silvertone has the original manual with it.

Btw, the pics of the other one shows something in the lower left corner of the record player pic, attached to the wood. I have a bracket there but what goes in the bracket?

jonboy55
01-05-2011, 01:49 PM
I believe the bracket holds the 45 rpm spindle.

moonstation2
01-05-2011, 03:14 PM
Can you confirm that the chassis are the 590-T and the 481-A?



Confirmed!

perchdog
01-05-2011, 05:51 PM
TheRed1
Nice avatar, very fitting...

TheRed1
01-12-2011, 12:55 AM
Presenting: the complete Fisher President Geneome 1957-1968
(AKA: The Hall of Presidents)
Later Presidents exist but this is the primary sequence most folks would be interested in. The missing President and Executive "V" models have finally surfaced in the form of service manuals on eBay recently. I now believe they were a very short production run in early 1961.

The President V contains two very little known chassis: the 4000-R and the 4000-C. After comparing their schematics to similar chassis from the same period, I feel fairly confident in stating that the 4000-R is basically the console designation for the 101-R. Likewise, the 4000-C is the console designation for the 400-C. There may be some very slight differences but not many.

Note that after 1965 Fisher discontinued the use of Roman numeral suffixes. The 1966 model 9011 was just a plain President. You may also notice the strange absence of a model 5000 President. It is my understanding that this model was, in fact, designed sometime around 1961. But for some reason, it was held back until the 1963 model year and then released as the Regent model 5000 - slotted in between the President and Executive models.

Cabinetry for the President consoles evolved very slowly. There were only three different modern/contemporary cabinets over the entire 12 year span from 1957 to 1968. Each of these designs seems to me somehow evocative of the President and the ethos of those times: the red cabinet = the Eisenhower years; the white = the Kennedy years; the blue = the Johnson years. Reflecting the general downward trend in styling that came to a crescendo the 70's, is the lack of any modern or contemporary President cabinets in the 1969 catalog.

My knowledge of the changers and tape players is still incomplete - especially among the early model Presidents. The '57-'60 changers were probably all Garrard RC-88/4's. The '62 had a Garrard type A and the '61 probably had one, too. The '63-'66 Presidents came equipped with Miracord 10's; the '67 and '68 came with Dual 1019's. '63 and '64 had Ampex 1250 R2Rs; '65 had the Ampex 4452; the '67 and '68 had the Ampex 1150. All other years were undoubtedly Ampex but I don't know the specific model numbers.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/THEHALLOFPRESIDENTS-2.jpg
1957-1961 Modern Cabinet (~70x33x19")
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/PresidentVRedcopy.jpg
1962-1964 Modern Cabinet (~77x33x21")
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/PresidentIXWhitecopy.jpg
1965-1968 Contemporary Cabinet (~76x32x20")
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/PresidentXBluecopy.jpg

larryderouin
01-13-2011, 01:41 AM
I just noticed about the 1961 Coronet (C55) that it came with either the 101T,SA16 combo OR the 500S.

It would be easier, and probably cheaper to find and get a 500S than it would be to reconstruct the 101-T/SA-16 combo in my cabinet. I can live with MONO FM.

Larry

TheRed1
03-16-2011, 11:07 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Welcome-to-the-Family-of-Fisher-Owners.jpg

Here are the results of many hours spent in AK's dusty archives attempting to compile a complete listing of all the Fisher consoles that have passed through these hallowed forums in the last decade. There were quite a few pre-sticky Fishers - many of which have not yet been moved to the Fisher forum. Plus there is the natural tendency to start a new thread with any major new find such as a these Fishers tend to be.

All my earlier attempts at one big list resulted in a high percentage of entries mysteriously vanishing when I hit the preview button. So I split up the list so as not to overwhelm AK's html processing abilities. This list, encompassing 1959-65 (and beyond) contains the majority of entries. I only count 93 entries - I thought there were quite a few more. Either I counted wrong to begin with (quite possible) or AK ate them while I was locked in a seemingly never-ending copy, paste and preview cycle in my attempt to work out all the bugs. If I find the missing entries later on while sifting through AK's litterbox I will append them to the list.

I will endeavor to keep this list updated but please feel free to link to any post-1958 (i.e. stereo) Fisher console post I may have omitted. I am including the hybrid and solid state models, too. I will add a link in post #1 referencing this post to aid future Fisher fans in finding this resource once it becomes buried in the middle of this sticky.

The List: 1959-1965 (and beyond) Fisher Consoles And Their Owners

1959 Futura II - Marlin Mackley
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27251

1959 Provence II (aka: Medalist II) - w4rtc
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=367695

1959 Contemporary II + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - TheRed1
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=351050

1959 Contemporary II - Contemporary
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=387161

1959 Series 610 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - visman
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254422

1959 Series 610 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - seanrr>buglegirl
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4123669#post4123669

1959 Series 610 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - analog addict
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210003

1959 Series 510 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - Jcricket
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198147

1959 Series 510 + 560 ‘Stereo Companion’ - Oldsf85
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=648620#post648620

1959 Series 510 - TheRed1
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2246764#post2246764

1960 Statesman 1010 - artclone
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1628147#post1628147

1960 Premiere - buglegirl
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=406901

1960 Premiere - TheRed1
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112001

1960 Premiere - julianburke
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3687601#post3687601

1960 Premiere - davis419b
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3801116#post3801116

1960 Coronet - Charivari
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50076

1960 Custom Electra III - rwj0j0
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=376486

1960 Custom Electra III - kn8243
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=363832

1960 Custom Electra III - ziphius
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3539111

1960 Custom Electra III - tlgibbs
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2758101

1960 Custom Electra III - deadbeat son
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3025240#post3025240

1960 Custom Electra III - TheRed1 to Janet
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=133705

1960 Custom Electra III - Franksta
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31256

1960 Custom Electra III - hammr7
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=334479

1961 Executive V - scstocks
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4620891#post4620891

1961 Executive VI - Jimmy64>Joe11611>perchdog
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2267058#post2267058
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3218388#post3218388

1961 Statesman II - melvin87144>Westy56
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=359147
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4551096#post4551096

1961 Statesman II - mcsteam22
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176951

1961 Coronet II - larryderouin via fourwheels0
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=331543

1961 Custom Electra IV - kangatoy
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=409777

1961 Custom Electra IV - WarrGo
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3171176

1961 Custom Electra IV - p.dow
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2372988#post2372988

1961 Custom Electra IV - VinylHanger
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7723

1961 Custom Electra IV - jonboy55
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=377868

1961 Custom Electra IV - jonboy55
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3843914#post3843914

1962 President VII - fini
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=362506

1962 Executive VII - ksks
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4084286#post4084286

1962 Ambassador IV - pich
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1658058#post1658058

1962 Ambassador IV - Di32
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=316924

1962 Ambassador IV - chard306
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=444705

1962 Futura III - WarrGo
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=381575

1962 Futura III - jean lafite
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2296815#post2296815

1962 Futura III - 2weelchpprpilot
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68652

1962 Futura III - Chip - HP
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1173601

1962 Futura III - WilsonCreek
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=314486

1962 Custom Electra V - pdbjc
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=431797

1962 Custom Electra V - Omegaman
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=361584

1962 Custom Electra V - skykng
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183310

1962 Custom Electra V - kms692000
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179656

1962 Custom Electra V - Ears
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=311627

1962 Custom Electra V - hammr7
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=334479

1962 Custom Electra V - Omegaman
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=361584

1962 Chadwick C-33 - jonboy55
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3843927#post3843927

1962 Chadwick C-33 - hammr7
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=334479

1962 Philharmonic II - k7cid@me.com
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2877945

1963 President VIII - Jonboy55
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=428582

1963 President VIII - Qman
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=313562

1963 Executive VIII - buglegirl
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=387136

1963 Regent - schwarcw’s friend
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185023

1963 Statesman III - Diegoenusa
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=301482

1963 Ambassador V - grinder029
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2873337

1963 Ambassador V - Bucky Badger
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3963162#post3963162

1963 Ambassador V - ddeland
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3834599#post3834599

1963 Ambassador V - gpsmithii
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4124309#post4124309

1963 Ambassador V - scupbucket
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=438099

1963 Custom Electra VI - railcruzr
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=397698

1963 Custom Electra VI - that70sguy
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=285067

1963 Custom Electra VI - relaximus
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=180894

1963 Custom Electra VI - NW Lover
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222545

1963 Diplomat - rshadley
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3953342#post3953342

1963 Diplomat - cruisaire
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32680

1963 Philharmonic IV -audiodon
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262141

TheRed1
04-02-2011, 08:34 AM
Had to split the list into two posts. I ran up against AK's maximum post size limit of 10,000 characters. Now I should be able to add new consoles - at least for a while.

1964 Regent II - Jonboy55
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=411617

1964 Executive IX - scootchu
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2272756#post2272756

1964 Executive IX -perchdog
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3642791#post3642791

1964 Executive IX - Naptown Rob via Smirskahoven
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3701244#post3701244

1964 Statesman IV - jjprager
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=472180

1964 Ambassador VI - skibjr
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1632908#post1632908

1964 Ambassador VI - ethlax
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141336

1964 Futura V - achilles_bog
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=290376

1964 Custom Electra VII - Naptown Rob>larryderouin
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=383041

1964 Custom Electra VII - buglegirl
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4816975#post4816975

1964 Custom Electra VII - solidjackson>rwj0j0
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=304320

1964 Custom Electra VII - RuSsMaN
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3585630#post3585630

1964 Custom Electra VII - auxtech66
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2251165

1964 Custom Electra VII - moonstation2
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4267528#post4267528

1964 Diplomat II - cbrann
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2276157

1964 Diplomat II - wilke87
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123490

1964 Philharmonic IV - hatrack71
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3176755#post3176755

1964 Philharmonic IV - Saint Johnny via stonemillhq
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=248872

1964 Allegro - rcflybob
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267070

1964 Allegro/1965 Allegro II - analog addict
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2192974#post2192974

1965 Executive X - chefg1
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=319841

1965 Ambassador VII - retrokid 52
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4806441

1965 Ambassador VII - DonQuixote99
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=331900

1965 Futura VI - larryderouin
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=249012

1965 Futura VI - QJ-ATX
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=331922

1965 Custom Electra VIII - tomcza11
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=385052

1965 Custom Electra VIII - larryderouin
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2943520

1965 Warwick (Futura V?) - mgzny
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2799477

1965 Diplomat III - roivett
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=492590#post492590

1964 Allegro/1965 Allegro II - barrynsue
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2193080#post2193080

1966 Executive 971 - digiovmt
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4292012#post4292012

1966 Futura F-591 - Grumpy
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3297

1966 Futura F-591 - chillywilly
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4147111

1966 Custom Electra E-491 - apple scruff
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=542455

1966 Custom Electra E-491 - the fish
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2915360#post2915360

1966 Custom Electra E-491 - TheRed1 to Sandi
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=132848

1966 Diplomat D-391 - Tuquala
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=350980

1966 Philharmonic P-291 - Anti_Skate
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=520498

1966 Philharmonic P-291 - vinyldavid
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3610352

1966 Philharmonic P-291 - nerdorama
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2957586#post2957586

1966 Allegro A-190 - mpholland
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197024

1967 Metropolitan M-4592 - CARNICK
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=491940

1967 Metropolitan M-4592 - growl
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=381917

1967 Custom Electra E-492 - Summit9669
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=510857

1967 Custom Electra E-492 - Hink
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4058638#post4058638

1967 Custom Electra E-492 - fir.na.tine
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73588

1967 Custom Electra E-492 - waynemarc
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=538863#post538863

1967 Philharmonic P-292 - hannyy
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6912838#post6912838

1967 Philharmonic P-292 - chillywilly
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=366218

1967 Philharmonic P-292 - chillywilly
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=438260

1967 Philharmonic P-292 - Brian McGowa
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=334268

1968 Philharmonic P-293 - ToneDeafPaul
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=439897

1968 Diplomat D-393 - little-al
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=492321

1968 Diplomat D-393 - schmikka
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258606

1968 Statesman S-692 - yaleforks
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4004435#post4004435

1969 Metropolitan D-399 - elduce
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3008504#post3008504

1969 Royal Electra R-494 - hammondcrazy
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6200874#post6200874

1969 Royal Electra R-494 - Richard D
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55841

1969 Royal Electra R-494 - jgorhan
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=301564

1969 Royal Electra R-494 - larryderouin
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=229507

1970/71 Regent R-495 - ronrico
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=418821

1970/71 Statesman S-594 -1984tigers
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=429531

kn8243
04-11-2011, 10:18 PM
Wow TheRed1 Amazing post. Thank you for doing that.

I recently picked up a 1960 Custom Electra III, the cab is in rough shape but i'm on the fence on doing a complete restore and re-veneer it. Its all complete, inspection tags and all. The only thing that it lacks is the feet. Anyone care to help me out as to where to find a set of legs? Or how long they are? I'd really appreciate it! Many thanks

TheRed1
04-11-2011, 11:27 PM
The legs are pretty basic: 5-1/2" long with the bottom 1-1/2 inches sleeved in brass-colored metal. They taper from approximately 1-1/2" in diameter at the top to 7/8" at the bottom. There is a large, silver, smooth-headed tack - like an upholstery tack - hammered into the bottom of each leg so they will glide smoothly over carpet. The tack head is 1/2" across with a 1/2" long pin. Are the rectangular metal leg mounts still there? They are what the legs screw into. They, in turn, are fastened to the bottom of the console with a screw at each of their four corners. I have 16 legs but they are all attached to consoles - no spares. I would think that you should be able to find something pretty close fairly easily. The mounting plates might be more difficult to find replacements for if they are missing.

This is probably not the best day for me to offer advice on refinishing. I was in the midst of putting on the 4th coat of varnish on my '59 Contemporary II this afternoon. Out of nowhere a sudden gust of wind not only deposited a layer of debris in the varnish but also blew the plastic container of thinned varnish off of a low table and all over the patio and AC unit. When my wife stepped out to check up on me a few minutes later I was an incoherent, raving mess. She was able to talk me down and helped me clean up - Saint that she is.

After today I would not advise doing any sort of refinishing out-of-doors where you are at the mercy of the weather - especially in April. Unfortunately for me the short oil table-top varnish and associated thinners are extemely unpleasant to inhale so the basement is not an option. A detached garage or some other sort of outbuilding with adequate ventilation would be the only sane way to approach such a project.

The good news for Fisher fixer-uppers with consoles from this particular era is the quality and thickness of the veneer. I was able to sand past 99% of the dings and scrapes in mine. Some looked fairly disasterous but I was uncharacteristically optimistic and threw caution to the wind. (irony noted) So you may not have to re-veneer unless you have missing sections. It will take quite a bit of sanding to remove the original finish and even more to sand past the dings and scrapes.

What cabinet style is your CE III? Hopefully modern since the curves on the Provincials would be very challenging. Good luck whatever route you take and congratulations on your find.

kn8243
04-11-2011, 11:55 PM
What cabinet style is your CE III? Hopefully modern since the curves on the Provincials would be very challenging. Good luck whatever route you take and congratulations on your find.

Wow thank you for the input. I was reading from the beginning of this thread and was utterly impressed by your knowledge and dedication to documenting and helping out. I know I speak for many (even though it has been said before) thank you!! I recently got some furniture legs from lowes and they seem to almost fit the bill.

Would you think this would work? Aside from the brass part. The leg mounts are still there.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_843-1380-2506_4294856628_4294937087_?productId=3042595&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_Table%2BLegs%2BAccessories_429485 6628_4294937087_%3FNs%3Dp_product_price|0

I'm familiar with refinishing and we'll see how it goes. Glad to hear it is a thick veneer! Ah yes we had a fair amount of wind here today as well. Don't worry I've been in the same situation as you before. I learned real quick! haha. The only problem that I really have is the one side is peeling off (moisture damage) I'm pretty sure I can re-adhere it but i was curious about how it would look after refinishing. Well just so happens it is the provincial model. And yes those corners do look fun!

Lastly the gold volume cap seems to have come off. Any special place to find a single? I know reproductions for my 500c and 400 exist but wasn't sure about these.

I also love how much these were back in the day! (Mind you I'm 23) 500.00 dollars in 1960 is equivalent to $3,465 today! Amazing. Thank you Avery! It really feels like I struck gold...and I haven't turned it on yet. I'll get around to it.

analog addict
04-14-2011, 10:36 PM
SAM's for the 610 Consolette...

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/audio%20tech/Fisher610ST_Cover.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/audio%20tech/Fisher610ST_PartsList.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/audio%20tech/Fisher610ST_Schem2-1.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/analog_addict/audio%20tech/Fisher610ST_Schem1.jpg



If this is redundant, let me know and I'll delete it....

kn8243
04-15-2011, 12:41 AM
Many thanks Analog addict!

scstocks
05-01-2011, 07:17 PM
Hello TheRed1,

Thanks for such a GREAT thread. I spent most of this afternoon going through it.

My Dad Purchased a Fisher Chassis X-1000 Executive V in 1961, or 1962.

The only parts remaining are the Unmarked Amp, (except for the chassis x-1000 and serial number,) and the FM-100-B Tuner.

I only had 11 days notice to move back in 1999 and after keeping the console with me since the 1970's, I was forced to put it in storage, underneath a friends business. I did remove the amp and tuner, but the Sony reel to reel, the Dual 1009 Turntable, the speakers, and cherry cabinet were either stolen, or tossed out by renovators at the storage site.

Given so little time to figure out what to do with it, I listed it on ebay for a couple days, and then removed it after a TON of messages that fisher never made a chassis x-1000 amp, (the only markings on it.) Some of those ebay messages acused me of fraud, or of fraud somewhere in the units history. I just kept thinking, my DAD bought this thing and it has never left the family!!!

Anyway, I still have some pictures of what it looked like, and did not see it here so I thought I would post them for anyone interested.

I have the cover off the amp now, and I am beginning a restore to it without a diagram.

Anyone who can help me with identification would be much appreciated. Near as I can tell the Amp is an early X-101 with the inputs on the bottom of it for use in the console.

Thanks again for the thread.

scstocks
05-01-2011, 07:46 PM
I forgot to include some close ups of the amp in case anyone can help me with its identity.

TheRed1
05-01-2011, 10:18 PM
Scstocks,

What you have there is exactly what it says: an X-1000. The confusion arises due to the fact that Fisher used that exact same model number on a well known and highly desireable later-model integrated amp. As you surmised, yours is the console version of the X-101. They are nearly identical with only a few capacitor values changed to reduce the frequency response on the low end thereby reducing turntable rumble transmitted through the cabinet. I'm not sure if the output jack location is different than the X-101 but someone here should be able to tell us.

I'm not sure if you are aware just how interesting your Dad's Fisher is to us Fisher collectors. Until very recently it was assumed that Fisher had bypassed the "V" version of both the President and Executive consoles. Then the service manuals for both surfaced on eBay. Your photos are the first proof that there was actual production, though the service manuals were a pretty strong indication that the models actually existed. The President V had the 4000R tuner, the 4000C control amp and a pair of 100 amps. The Executive V, according to Fisher's service manual, had the 4000R tuner and the X-1000 integrated amp. You say your Dad's had the FM-100-B tuner. That is at odds with the service manual but Fisher was well known for constantly fiddling with their electronics.

What really caught my eye was the model number of your Dad's Executive: P-4000. I had assumed that the President V was the 4000 model but, based on your photo, it appears otherwise. Now we know the model number of the Executive V (4000 - the "P" was the cabinet code for "Provincial"), but what was the President V's model number if not 4000? 5000?

So far no 1961 Fisher Console catalog with either the President V or Executive V has surfaced. All the '61 catalogs I have seen have the "VI" Presidents and Executives. Fisher sometimes produced several catalog versions during a single model year often with updated features and sometimes with completely new models. It's possible that there was an early '61 catalog with the Vs but it has yet to surface. I have no idea why Fisher found it necessasary to offer two entirely different President and Executive models within a single model year. It seems probable to me that the V models had a very short production run which would have made your Dad's somewhat rare. It's too bad that the console itself was lost but at least you saved a few of the more valuable elements.

I'd be curious to know more about your Dad. Buying a Fisher Executive in 1961 paints a portrait of a man who was very serious about his music and had the means to indulge himself and his family with the very best. What were his tastes in music?

Incidentally, you should be able to restore it using the X-101 schematic. It will probably sound better with the coupling capacitor values listed therein than the ones on the X-1000 (console version) schematic.

scstocks
05-02-2011, 12:57 AM
Ahhh I feel like a man redeemed. Thank You for your quick response. I wasn't sure how much this thread was still followed.

My father was retired military, 3rd Army officer during WWII, once met General Patton in Europe/Germany. I have pictures of when his unit "Liberated" one of the concentration camps. Pictures never to be forgotten once viewed.

Once Back from the war he went to work in sales and was a sales manager at various times.

He always loved music and would tune in different Oprera music every Saturday afternoon, and I can still see him get carried away with his eyes closed and head gently moving. A stark difference to a hardened Vet for sure.

I think Sheharizod, (I am an awful speller, so sorry if I hacked that to bits,) was his favorite piece, but he loved classical. He passed away in 2002 after being sick just 3 days.

This Fisher Executive V was the first floor living room unit and was used during cocktail hour with clients at the house, or adult parties in general. The picture of the living room reminded me of some of the ads posted in this thread, complete with cigarettes and cocktails.

It was also used a lot by his three sons of which I am the youngest. I once remember sitting around the living room, doing things that young people did way to much of in the 1970's, and watching a flower pot vibrate off the unit and crash to the floor while we all just sat there laughing.

Shortly after that my mother removed the 4 6bq5's out of the back of the unit and it wasn't used again for a long time.....

My oldest brother would use the Sony tape player with a band he messed around with and they blew fuses in it more than once.

In my mind I was 95% sure I had filed the manuals away when I removed the amp and tuner, but I have been unable to find them the few times I have looked these last 10+ years. They were stored in the back of the turntable drawer for decades. I am going to give it another shot as there was something else in that turntable drawer that I do have, so maybe I can find the manuals this time.

My father went to solid state sliver faced Pioneer after this unit and had a listening room/office built in our basement with extra speakers run out into the main basement, all paneled with soundproof ceiling tiles. He loved his music. We still have the speakers that went with that system at my mothers and they are Huge. The woofers on those things have a rounded, silver, flat cover over them the size of a large pyrex baking dish. Only ones I have ever seen like that.

I had pm'ed Fisherdude as one of his 2006 posts from this site is what finally turned up while searching for what type of amp I might have. He was kind enough to respond today as well via pm.

There is a can capacitor that I can't see as it is mounted up against the back of the faceplate/front guard and I am hoping that he can see it on his.

So far I have ordered a 100/350 sprague atom cap for the large one in the X-101, and some 716p's for 4 of the old paper/wax caps in it.

I am new to restores and only have a recapping of a Dynaco ST-70 under my belt, but I just love the way it turned out, so out came the Fisher. I have variacs, soldering experience, tubes galore, but not a lot of "hands on" under the amp type experience yet.

I'll attach some more photos below and if I find the paperwork I will post it as well. I think the original receipt was in those two packets as well.

Thanks again.

scstocks
05-02-2011, 01:02 AM
Last 5 pics, nearly 1 am here. Last pic is those speakers I mentioned that were not part of the Fisher console, (obviously.)

I have really enjoyed this site since I found it last year, and was just a peeker until today. Happy to try and contribute.

Thanks again for your help.

larryderouin
05-02-2011, 08:40 AM
JEEEZ! Talk about the MISSING LINK! SCSTOCKS has it! Gorgeous! Just Flat out Gorgeous! Too bad about having to gut it, and then the rest being stolen. But you have the main units to work with and listen to the music that made your dad so happy.

scstocks
05-02-2011, 11:11 PM
I got to thinking about that FM-100-B tuner in the Executive V. I was born in 1956, so my recollection of details of the Executive V's early years are not great.

I began to think it was possible that my father could have had a problem with a different, original tuner, had then had it replaced with the 100-B.

I spoke with my mother today and she seemed to think that my father would have had a folder filed with the purchase of the Executive V up at her house. He was really good about record keeping, (Military.) She has no memory of him ever replacing the tuner.

So I will check her two file cabinets when I am up there on Wednesday. I had no luck looking here for paperwork today.

I did however hit a bit of a gold mine while searching through old photos on my computer. I used to own a couple of photo businesses in Myrtle Beach, SC, and still have some high end Kodak Thermal printers.

A few years ago I completed a family project of making Christmas presents for my remaining family. I scanned in bits of receipts and whatever I could find dating back to the 1800's, all in our family name.

Part of that project involved me scanning in a LOT of old slides. I have them saved in folders from 1964 through 1967.

I found a couple that have the Executive V in them, and thought you might find them interesting.

The first one was in a folder dated 1964/1965 and shows a friend of my oldest brother sitting at a drum set. In this photo you can only make out the X-101 Amp. It is on the right side on the unit, rather than the left side, where I had put it to take pictures for my failed ebay auction.

The second one clearly shows the FM-100-B tuner in it and was in a folder dated 1965. That is my father in the background sitting at a table with his back to the camera, and the lamp in this picture still sits in my mothers front hallway, many houses later....

So it looks like the 100-B did in fact come stock, unless he had it replaced within the first 2 or 3 years he had the Executive V.

Hope this helps with your record keeping.

larryderouin
06-26-2011, 01:06 AM
Hey Red. You hit on something about the Early 61/late 61 catalogs, and something about the "PRESIDENT" era's. JFK was sworn in in Jan 61. IF, and I DO MEAN IF FISHER was designing President and Executives to "FIT" the Oval Office Resident's then they may have changed the President and Executives Mid year after Ike left and JFK took over. The turn over in styling fits this theory.

Ilikevinyl
07-26-2011, 10:21 PM
When I was a kid I'd go over to a neighbor friend and listen to their 1968 Fisher Console Stereo "Fisher Statesman", the country french model. Can't believe I found the one they had. It's the model on the top. Had a Dual 1019 turntable in it. The sound was amazing! Build quality was first class!

http://s408.photobucket.com/albums/pp168/torskdoc/1968%20FISHER%20CONSOLE%20BROCHURE/?action=view&current=68fisher0025.jpg

http://s408.photobucket.com/albums/pp168/torskdoc/1968%20FISHER%20CONSOLE%20BROCHURE/?action=view&current=68fisher0024.jpg

Here is what we had. Can't believe I just found this photo of it. A 1955 Voice-Of-Music Hi-fi. My Grandparents gave it to us in the late 1960's.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/35/117368458_2d409a3ebd.jpg

larryderouin
07-27-2011, 08:24 PM
I picked up ANOTHER (#5) FISHER Console. 1964 C.E. VII (E-49-W) Modern in Walnut, from Naptown Rob. (See this thread..... http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=383041). My wife looked at the Picture of it that Rob had posted and swooned"THAT's CUTE"! When she says that I know I'm good to go!!!

thorenstd124
08-09-2011, 10:29 PM
Last 5 pics, nearly 1 am here. Last pic is those speakers I mentioned that were not part of the Fisher console, (obviously.)

I have really enjoyed this site since I found it last year, and was just a peeker until today. Happy to try and contribute.

Thanks again for your help.

BTW,what kind of turntable/changer is in that '61?

larryderouin
08-10-2011, 11:32 AM
BTW,what kind of turntable/changer is in that '61?

Looks like a DUAL 1009.

buglegirl
08-10-2011, 01:47 PM
Hiya,

I think its a 1019 as higher level consoles and this is certainly one of those upgraded that component.

Although its hard to tell with that pesky original paperwork laying on it. Someone should have thrown that stuff away long ago as usual :) <kidding>

EDIT:: Interesting as the 1009/1019 were not even in production in 1961 as far as I know. :scratch2:

Frannie

scstocks
08-13-2011, 12:41 PM
BTW,what kind of turntable/changer is in that '61?

It is indeed a Dual 1009. I thought I had the Pickering boxes but have been unable to find them, so they may have been lost as well.

Here is a pic of the turntable before it went into "storage."

thorenstd124
08-31-2011, 08:53 PM
catalog 2

That X-101 is the one I have.$189.50 in 1959 = $1471.21 in 2011

thorenstd124
08-31-2011, 10:53 PM
Love to own an Ambassador,but not for $1850.00 with the shipping. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FISHER-AMBASSADOR-IV-A-60-console-radio-phonograph-/120757810889?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1db9f6c9) :tears::nono:

larryderouin
08-31-2011, 11:21 PM
Jeez, at those prices, I'd love to be smoking what he is!!! My CE VII is in better shape, re-capped and with new 6n14p's. As is my Hybrid CE VIII, and Hybrid FUTURA VI. The Futura has had the cabinet refinished, all caps replaced, (including the cans), and ITT ELL80's. The Turntable right now is a 1009 and it has the original Miracord 10F restored, with it's mounting panel, then encased in plastic and stored inside. And ain't no way in hell I'd get 1/3 of what he's asking. (Unless a Chinese buyer came along, then I'd hold out :D )

Larry

Victrolaman
09-07-2011, 10:44 PM
I have that ambassador listed above, mine is a 1965. I have the original manuals and a 1965 catalog brochure as well. Mine has the dual 1009 changer in it as well. One of the best consoles in my collection

larryderouin
09-08-2011, 05:29 PM
Victrolaman; Can you please scan the brochure, and the manuals and send to TheRed1 and jonboy55. This would help greatly with filling out the details on model lineup, and enhance the manual archives.

Thanks

Larry

TheRed1
09-27-2011, 06:17 PM
After reading recently that the 1940 and 1941 Philharmonics were rated best of the pre-war radio-phonograph 'combinations', as they were referred to back then; it was reassuring to see that Fisher's bottom-of-the-line P-290 Philharmonic 'console' was still upholding Avery's tradition of quality 25 years later:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/a-1.jpg

Most of the machines were wanting in one or more important aspects of FM and AM radio performance (see table). Only two machines, the Fisher P-290W and the Zenith MM2606, combined good reception on FM and AM with a fairly good tone quality. Either may give the console shopper substantially what he is looking for. A third machine, the Masterwork M5024, was judged about equal to the first two in tone quality; moreover, the tone quality of its phonograph could be improved by substituting, for about $11, a different stylus for the one supplied, a change the owner can make in a few seconds. However, the Masterwork was judged inadequate in FM selectivity, a weakness that may be important in locations where stations are spaced close together on the dial.

For the two top-rated machines we bought the extension speakers offered by the manufacturers - the WS-1 for the Fisher ($49.50 per pair); the MR-102W for the Zenith ($59.50 per pair). The Fisher speakers (3-3/4x11-1/4x4-1/2 inches, with 15-foot wires) were judged to improve the stereo effect, but they added some shrillness to the tone quality. These speakers can’t be turned off while they are plugged in; there is no switch for them. The Zenith speakers (11-1/2x14x3-1/2 inches, with 26-foot wires also enhanced the stereo, and they did not detract from the original tone quality (though they didn’t make it any better). They have individual on-off switches at their backs. Thus, for a price, you can get better stereo along with fairly good tone quality and good radio reception from at least one of the tested consoles.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/b-1.jpg

Defects and Bungled Repairs:

But choice of a satisfactory model is not the only problem facing a console buyer. If the machines we bought for testing are at all typical, the buyer stands a big chance of getting a defective sample. And if our experience with manufacturers’ authorized service firms in the New York City area is typical of what one would find in the rest of the country, he is likely to face nearly endless frustration when he tries to get a defective machine fixed under the manufacturer’s warranty.

In the Philco N1763MB certain transistors were extremely susceptible to overload and became damaged under laboratory test conditions, first in one sample, then in a second. It took the authorized repair shop from three to five weeks to install replacement transistors. After two such breakdowns, there was no time left to test the model for inclusion in this test.

The Electro-Home TR18M185 arrived with the receiver chassis broken away from its internal mountings. In a second sample the AM section was not operating. The authorized service shop did not have the needed replacement parts, and failed to get them during 15 weeks of waiting. Again, testing time ran out.

The Symphonic T-4CS98 had excessive distortion on FM. A second sample was totally inoperative. Once more, by the time repairs were done, there was no time to test the model.

The GE RC7630A, judged Not Acceptable because of excessive hum and rumble, was given to an authorized repair shop. Meanwhile, a second sample was bought and proved as bad as the first. Repairs to the first sample reduced the hum slightly, but not enough to change the Not Acceptable Rating.

Four more of our test samples, a Westinghouse M 1330, a Sears Silvertone 5071, a V-M 954, and an RCA VFT 44W, had crippling defects as delivered. A second sample of each of these models was properly operative and could be tested. But the first sample of the Westinghouse added to the score on bungled repairs: sent to an authorized shop, it came back still defective. We returned it for further repairs, and were still awaiting results as we went to press.

Any buyer who gets one of the apparently numerous lemons in this product’s current crop is caught in a bad situation. He can’t just tote a five-foot wide, heavy console back to the dealer and demand an exchange. Even if he did, most dealers wouldn’t make an exchange (though some might be willing to cancel the whole deal and refund his money). The dealer expects his customer to have any defects that show up in the set corrected under the manufacturer’s warranty.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/c-1.jpg

The Performance Tests

The performance test confirmed a point we’ve often made before: a consumer can draw no conclusion about quality of performance from the presence of transistors, rather than tubes, in a model. Transistors do, however, offer the advantages of longer life, immediate start-up, and low heat generation.

The changer tests brought good news compared with findings on changers in perviously tested console phonographs. Only negligible rumble was found in the Acceptable changers, and only two, as the table shows, had even moderate flutter. Moreover, the tracking force settings were far below the record-destroying 6 to 10 grams often found in earlier tests of changers. Settings of 5 grams or more will definitely cause accelerated wear and high distortion on stereo discs, and even 4 grams is considered marginal. Of the six machines that came with tracking force of 4 grams or more, three (see table) could be readjusted to 3.5 grams or less and still “track” properly, without skipping or jumping at loud passages or on the inside grooves of a record.

Controls and Indicators

The radio control panels of the tested consoles, with their rows of knobs, switches, and lights, look much like those of component-type tuners. Common to all are separate bass and treble controls, and all except the Magnavox have speaker balance controls on the radio panel. The Magnavox also has this control, but inside the console, inaccessible to the user. Although this model came with correct speaker balance, an accessible control is desirable if external speakers are used; in any case, the control should be handy for eventual readjustment to compensate for aging parts.

Seven of the sets have tuning indicators (either meter or eye tube) meant to give visual assurance that a station is tuned in precisely. In our tests, however, the peak point on the meter or narrowest shadow on the “eye” generally did not correspond to the point of least distortion; fine-tuning had to be done by ear after the indicator had shown approximately where the station was.

Every machine tested has a stereo indicator that lights up to tell you that a stereo FM program is tuned in. On some it operates only when the set is switched to FM stereo; on others it works on both FM mono and FM stereo settings. This difference did not seem to us to be important.

All but two set have automatic frequency control (AFC), which “locks” the FM radio on a station to prevent drifting as the radio warms. When you try to tune in a weak station very near a strong one on the dial, however, the AFC may pull the tuning over to the strong one. In order to listen to the weaker station, you need a switch that turns the AFC off. All the sets with AFC, except the V-M, have such a switch. The two sets without AFC, Fisher and Masterwork, did not drift.

Some Conveniences

Most sets provide auxiliary jacks for tape recorders, although among the two highest-ranked machines only the Fisher has output as well as input jacks. If you plug a tape recorder into an input jack, you can listen to tape recordings through the amplifier and speakers of the console. Plug it into an output jack, and you can make tape recordings of any program, from radio or disc, that you hear on the console. Besides tape recorder jacks, three models (Sears, Sylvania, and Clairtone) have jacks for plugging in stereo headphones, a convenience for private listening or for those who want the special stereo experience such phones can give.

Generally the jacks are at the rear and directly accessible, but the Wards Airline and V-M have jacks inside the console, accessible only when the back cover is taken off-hardly a convenient arrangement. However, a serviceman can fit these machines with external jacks. On the Zenith, Magnavox, and Sylvania, an optional kit to provide external jacks is available, but the kit must be installed by a serviceman.

Summary:

All in all, then these “packaged” consoles aren’t going to satisfy a demanding listener who wants the sound quality and stereo effect the ads promise. But, it should be added, neither will anything else in the same price range. Top-grade sound from a system made up of components we rated highly would list at about $600 - without a cabinet. So it is a straight case of paying more for more, less for less.

On the other hand, if the buyer is “upgrading” his listening to one of these machines from a table model radio plus a portable phonograph - sources that currently furnish sound in millions of American homes - he’s apt to consider the tone quality of the better consoles, by comparison, positively grand.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/d-2.jpg

buglegirl
09-27-2011, 06:35 PM
Hiya,

Red1 .. this is an interesting write up. I know it was likely outside the original intent but it would have been interesting to know what these sounded like with good mid range speakers of the day. (I know they did some testing with limited factory add on speakers)

Also noted were the numerous DOA consoles. Makes one think about actual quality back in the good old days.

Not saying things are better or worse now. Just noted the defect level seems to be rather high.

Frannie

joel27
09-27-2011, 06:54 PM
Very cool read. Thanks for sharing that.

TheRed1
09-27-2011, 07:06 PM
I know it was likely outside the original intent but it would have been interesting to know what these sounded like with good mid range speakers of the day. (I know they did some testing with limited factory add on speakers)I was wondering about that myself. But when you add the price of some halfway decent speakers to the price of a console you're starting to get up there into the price realm of the highly-rated component systems.

Also noted were the numerous DOA consoles. Makes one think about actual quality back in the good old days. Not saying things are better or worse now. Just noted the defect level seems to be rather high.Many of these manufacturers were only in their first or second year of solid-state electronics. I don't think a lot of these products were really ready to hit the showroom quite yet. I wonder if the reputations of some of these companies weren't really damaged by their rush to get transistorized products on the market before they were ready. Perhaps this illustrates one of the weaknesses in the US electronics industry that gave overseas manufacturers their opportunity to break into the US market.

Fisher was surprisingly conservative with their introduction of solid-state technology. Avery was usually all about "firsts" but for some reason he held onto the tube technology for a lot longer than many of his rivals - and we thank him for that.

thorenstd124
09-28-2011, 01:46 PM
After reading recently that the 1940 and 1941 Philharmonics were rated best of the pre-war radio-phonograph 'combinations', as they were referred to back then; it was reassuring to see that Fisher's bottom-of-the-line P-290 Philharmonic 'console' was still upholding Avery's tradition of quality 25 years later:



Most of the machines were wanting in one or more important aspects of FM and AM radio performance (see table). Only two machines, the Fisher P-290W and the Zenith MM2606, combined good reception on FM and AM with a fairly good tone quality. Either may give the console shopper substantially what he is looking for. A third machine, the Masterwork M5024, was judged about equal to the first two in tone quality; moreover, the tone quality of its phonograph could be improved by substituting, for about $11, a different stylus for the one supplied, a change the owner can make in a few seconds. However, the Masterwork was judged inadequate in FM selectivity, a weakness that may be important in locations where stations are spaced close together on the dial.

For the two top-rated machines we bought the extension speakers offered by the manufacturers - the WS-1 for the Fisher ($49.50 per pair); the MR-102W for the Zenith ($59.50 per pair). The Fisher speakers (3-3/4x11-1/4x4-1/2 inches, with 15-foot wires) were judged to improve the stereo effect, but they added some shrillness to the tone quality. These speakers can’t be turned off while they are plugged in; there is no switch for them. The Zenith speakers (11-1/2x14x3-1/2 inches, with 26-foot wires also enhanced the stereo, and they did not detract from the original tone quality (though they didn’t make it any better). They have individual on-off switches at their backs. Thus, for a price, you can get better stereo along with fairly good tone quality and good radio reception from at least one of the tested consoles.



Defects and Bungled Repairs:

But choice of a satisfactory model is not the only problem facing a console buyer. If the machines we bought for testing are at all typical, the buyer stands a big chance of getting a defective sample. And if our experience with manufacturers’ authorized service firms in the New York City area is typical of what one would find in the rest of the country, he is likely to face nearly endless frustration when he tries to get a defective machine fixed under the manufacturer’s warranty.

In the Philco N1763MB certain transistors were extremely susceptible to overload and became damaged under laboratory test conditions, first in one sample, then in a second. It took the authorized repair shop from three to five weeks to install replacement transistors. After two such breakdowns, there was no time left to test the model for inclusion in this test.

The Electro-Home TR18M185 arrived with the receiver chassis broken away from its internal mountings. In a second sample the AM section was not operating. The authorized service shop did not have the needed replacement parts, and failed to get them during 15 weeks of waiting. Again, testing time ran out.

The Symphonic T-4CS98 had excessive distortion on FM. A second sample was totally inoperative. Once more, by the time repairs were done, there was no time to test the model.

The GE RC7630A, judged Not Acceptable because of excessive hum and rumble, was given to an authorized repair shop. Meanwhile, a second sample was bought and proved as bad as the first. Repairs to the first sample reduced the hum slightly, but not enough to change the Not Acceptable Rating.

Four more of our test samples, a Westinghouse M 1330, a Sears Silvertone 5071, a V-M 954, and an RCA VFT 44W, had crippling defects as delivered. A second sample of each of these models was properly operative and could be tested. But the first sample of the Westinghouse added to the score on bungled repairs: sent to an authorized shop, it came back still defective. We returned it for further repairs, and were still awaiting results as we went to press.

Any buyer who gets one of the apparently numerous lemons in this product’s current crop is caught in a bad situation. He can’t just tote a five-foot wide, heavy console back to the dealer and demand an exchange. Even if he did, most dealers wouldn’t make an exchange (though some might be willing to cancel the whole deal and refund his money). The dealer expects his customer to have any defects that show up in the set corrected under the manufacturer’s warranty.


The Performance Tests

The performance test confirmed a point we’ve often made before: a consumer can draw no conclusion about quality of performance from the presence of transistors, rather than tubes, in a model. Transistors do, however, offer the advantages of longer life, immediate start-up, and low heat generation.

The changer tests brought good news compared with findings on changers in perviously tested console phonographs. Only negligible rumble was found in the Acceptable changers, and only two, as the table shows, had even moderate flutter. Moreover, the tracking force settings were far below the record-destroying 6 to 10 grams often found in earlier tests of changers. Settings of 5 grams or more will definitely cause accelerated wear and high distortion on stereo discs, and even 4 grams is considered marginal. Of the six machines that came with tracking force of 4 grams or more, three (see table) could be readjusted to 3.5 grams or less and still “track” properly, without skipping or jumping at loud passages or on the inside grooves of a record.

Controls and Indicators

The radio control panels of the tested consoles, with their rows of knobs, switches, and lights, look much like those of component-type tuners. Common to all are separate bass and treble controls, and all except the Magnavox have speaker balance controls on the radio panel. The Magnavox also has this control, but inside the console, inaccessible to the user. Although this model came with correct speaker balance, an accessible control is desirable if external speakers are used; in any case, the control should be handy for eventual readjustment to compensate for aging parts.

Seven of the sets have tuning indicators (either meter or eye tube) meant to give visual assurance that a station is tuned in precisely. In our tests, however, the peak point on the meter or narrowest shadow on the “eye” generally did not correspond to the point of least distortion; fine-tuning had to be done by ear after the indicator had shown approximately where the station was.

Every machine tested has a stereo indicator that lights up to tell you that a stereo FM program is tuned in. On some it operates only when the set is switched to FM stereo; on others it works on both FM mono and FM stereo settings. This difference did not seem to us to be important.

All but two set have automatic frequency control (AFC), which “locks” the FM radio on a station to prevent drifting as the radio warms. When you try to tune in a weak station very near a strong one on the dial, however, the AFC may pull the tuning over to the strong one. In order to listen to the weaker station, you need a switch that turns the AFC off. All the sets with AFC, except the V-M, have such a switch. The two sets without AFC, Fisher and Masterwork, did not drift.

Some Conveniences

Most sets provide auxiliary jacks for tape recorders, although among the two highest-ranked machines only the Fisher has output as well as input jacks. If you plug a tape recorder into an input jack, you can listen to tape recordings through the amplifier and speakers of the console. Plug it into an output jack, and you can make tape recordings of any program, from radio or disc, that you hear on the console. Besides tape recorder jacks, three models (Sears, Sylvania, and Clairtone) have jacks for plugging in stereo headphones, a convenience for private listening or for those who want the special stereo experience such phones can give.

Generally the jacks are at the rear and directly accessible, but the Wards Airline and V-M have jacks inside the console, accessible only when the back cover is taken off-hardly a convenient arrangement. However, a serviceman can fit these machines with external jacks. On the Zenith, Magnavox, and Sylvania, an optional kit to provide external jacks is available, but the kit must be installed by a serviceman.

Summary:

All in all, then these “packaged” consoles aren’t going to satisfy a demanding listener who wants the sound quality and stereo effect the ads promise. But, it should be added, neither will anything else in the same price range. Top-grade sound from a system made up of components we rated highly would list at about $600 - without a cabinet. So it is a straight case of paying more for more, less for less.

On the other hand, if the buyer is “upgrading” his listening to one of these machines from a table model radio plus a portable phonograph - sources that currently furnish sound in millions of American homes - he’s apt to consider the tone quality of the better consoles, by comparison, positively grand.
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I like how the Zenith is rated a close second to the Fisher.I don't think Zenith gets nearly the respect it does,compared to Magnavox.I don't want to use mine any more,until I get it recapped and tuned up,but I can't wait until I can use it with the XP7s.

Magnavox may have had the Jensens,but that 2g/Cobra combination on the '62-'63 is great too.

What is the original source of this ?

thorenstd124
09-28-2011, 01:52 PM
I was not aware Clairtone had made any tube consoles.

larryderouin
09-29-2011, 07:59 AM
I like how the Zenith is rated a close second to the Fisher.I don't think Zenith gets nearly the respect it does,compared to Magnavox.I don't want to use mine any more,until I get it recapped and tuned up,but I can't wait until I can use it with the XP7s.

Magnavox may have had the Jensens,but that 2g/Cobra combination on the '62-'63 is great too.

What is the original source of this ?

V-M is the source for the Cobramatic table and Zenith has the arm/headshell fitted.

I believe it a Consumer's Report Article.

Larry

larryderouin
10-25-2011, 01:55 AM
Add another member to Larry's Console Stable. A 1959 FISHER 510 Series Consolette sans the 560 extension. Got it from Red. Definately needs a ReCap. Brought it up on the Variac, and almost as soon as I hit 90-100Volts, one ofthe 6BQ5's started Redplating. Tubes all tested good. ALL TUBES are FISHER Branded made in Great Britain. Swapped the outputs and same condition. So the amp is out for rehab. This has the 2.5oHm output transformer. It has 3 8" full range drivers, 2 of which have whizzer cones.

EDIT: (02Oct12) Mid June I believe it was BugleGirl completed the 510 / 560 combo with a 560 in running shape, also a 610 chassis. The 510 is now a 610. Strictly "PLUG AND PLAY! Absolutely no changes to the cabinet were made, except for the face plate for the tuner. So the 510 and 610 amplifiers are interchangeable with no mods. this is an Early 610 chassis as there is no provision for MPX, altho the addition of the RCA Jacks and a couple of wires for MPX is straightforward.

Also has a Garrard RC121-MKII. Never seen a Garrard with all meta Gear Train. Surprisingly it's not any noisier than other units with plastic or phenolic gear trains. The Stylus is in Decent shape however the suspension on the cartridge is shot. So I'm going to put a Pickering 400V.3 on it. @ 10mv output it'll do the job. it's about the same weight as the Sonotone.

2 of the knob brights were missing and found when the unit was dis-assembled for inspection, under the changer. Some Glue and all knobs are now bright.

It's in the bedroom right now. If I can find a 560, great. If not I can hook it up to my RCA SHF-5 and use it as an extension.

DAMNED CUTE little FISHER! Now to get it running.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=307593&stc=1&d=1319948647

The 61 CoronetII (C-55) cabinet is crying out for a recever or separates. I had my 400 in it before I sold the 400. So I'm seriously considering putting the 800C into the cabinet. Sort of a poor man's Executive.


Larry

vsam
12-11-2011, 05:28 PM
Unrepresented below are the saddest cases: AK members who have inherited Fisher consoles through their families. They are truly blameless; having grown up with the high fidelity and never knowing any other mode of existence. Off the top of my head I can only think of only one such case: Duffinator and his beautiful 1955 Custom Electra II (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1167416#post1167416). Are there others?

Since this post was from last year, you know by now that I'm another "saddest case," having inherited a GORGEOUS truly custom console, boohoopoorpoorpitifulme. LOL. http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=409688

I'm also laughing at your explanation of your avatar's ultimate intent and your grid pics - reminds me of my dad and his plotting everything on graph paper to ensure exactly where chosen pieces, including said Fisher console, would go when they moved into this (current) house. And the avatar creative process sounds more than a little familiar. Seems I'm not the only one who slaved over a dumb little graphic. ;-)

AZOrganist
02-08-2012, 12:39 AM
We've had a Contemporary C-810 and Stereo Companion 560 in the family for years; it sat for years in our guest room as decorative furniture for many years. For Christmas last year my partner had the whole thing gone over, and we've been enjoying it now for several weeks.

Capacitors have been replaced, and tubes have all been checked. The radio may never again be what it once was, but the amps sound terrific. We're not going to do anything with the old Garrard changer; my Dual 1229 plugged into a phono preamp sounds magnificent on this rig. We are cheating in one regard, though: tonight I plugged my old Pioneer graphic equalizer in to see if the midrange could be tamed on the speakers--they were much too "forward" for my taste, and the high treble much too weak. It seems to have worked; a big cut at 1 kHz and a somewhat lesser one at 4 kHz, plus even smaller ones at 250 Hz and 2 kHz balance the tone considerably--the treble comes through better now.

I'm amazed at how authoritatively this console fills a huge living room!

juanrmag
07-23-2012, 02:51 AM
Well, just picked up a Custom Electra V Modern this weekend. It is my first console and first vacuum tube-driven audio component. The thing is in fairly tip top shape. I think one of the midrange drivers is out and every so often the audio crackles in & out...not sure if that is the electronics or the vinyl or what. Overall, though, it sounds pretty good.

It appears to be all original tubes, everything appears to work, and even the business card from the dealer is taped to the back - looks to have been local all its life. It has the MPX unit installed, though it is not reflected in the model # tag on the back with an "X". I plan to spend some time here learning how I can get this beauty cleaned up a bit more. After just a wipe down and polish with a bit of lemon oil the cabinet looks great. I certainly wouldn't guess it is 50 years old. How do I know if I need/should re-cap?

Also, was originally planning to plug in a standalone turntable to the Aux in, but it is only mono aux in :(
Can I plug in another stereo source into the MPX inputs instead or will that not work? What is the REV in/out used for? I searched and haven't found anything about this, yet.

Here's some initial pics...

TheRed1
07-23-2012, 07:27 AM
Congratulations! The CE V Modern cabinet is one of Fisher's all-time best designs (in my opinion). Yours looks to be in excellent condition.

Jon has the service manual available at the fisherconsoles.com website. I took a quick look at the preamp schematic. I wonder why they only offered a mono AUX input on this model - that was uncharacteristically stingy for Fisher. My '59 Contemporary II is both earlier and further down in the model hierarchy but it has stereo AUX inputs.

I presume the standalone turntable you mention has a low-level output magnetic cartridge. In that case you should have good results using the MPX inputs providing you use an outboard phono preamp. Alternately, you could use the PHONO inputs but you'd have to either unplug the on-board changer or use an input switching device. Looking at the schematic, the 460-T's PHONO inputs do appear to be low-level inputs designed for magnetic cartridges. They have an extra preamp stage as well as RIAA EQ.

juanrmag
07-23-2012, 09:49 AM
Yeah, it thought it odd there was not stereo aux inputs. Now that you say it, an external switcher on the phono input does sound like the best idea, to take advantage of the built-in preamp stage.

Looking at the back label stamped "W" I am taking that to mean walnut finish. Does that sound right?

TheRed1
07-23-2012, 11:20 PM
Looking at the back label stamped "W" I am taking that to mean walnut finish. Does that sound right?Yes and walnut almost always equals modern/contemporary. Somewhere I posted a list of Fisher 'cabinet codes'. . . here:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4094132#post4094132

Sometimes they indicate the wood (which was used in a particular style console - i.e.: W = Walnut = Modern/Contemporary) and sometimes they indicate the style (for which a particular type of wood was usually used - i.e.: P = Provincial = Cherry/Fruitwood). Fisher was very consistent in their inconsistencies.

Sam Cogley
07-24-2012, 12:04 AM
That damned "P" code...sometimes it even shows up where the factory says it couldn't. :D

sslade43
07-31-2012, 07:09 PM
What's a Custom Electric V Modern look worth in working condition? I picked one up that was supposedly working a couple months ago. I've never owned a console before, so I am excited to check the Fisher console out.

sslade43
08-06-2012, 09:44 PM
Well, I got it home and it works! Evidently the previous owner didn't know how to operate it. Where is the aux on the 460a? I can't seem to find it and I want to test it out.

juanrmag
08-07-2012, 12:57 AM
Well, I got it home and it works! Evidently the previous owner didn't know how to operate it. Where is the aux on the 460a? I can't seem to find it and I want to test it out.

It's just left of/and next to the Phono inputs. It's just a single RCA since the Aux is mono only.

sslade43
08-07-2012, 08:52 AM
Thanks, I found it!

sslade43
08-12-2012, 02:02 PM
Here are a couple pictures of the console. I still can't believe the previous owner didn't think it worked. :banana: It sounds great!
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx288/sslade43/IMG_2839.jpg
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx288/sslade43/IMG_2834.jpg

shacky
08-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Gorgeous!

TheRed1
08-13-2012, 12:01 AM
Congratulations! Yet another beautiful CE V! That wouldn't, by any chance, be the Delaware one, would it? There have been some real interesting Fisher consoles popping up recently. Late Summer/Fall is always a dangerous time for me.

sslade43
08-13-2012, 05:46 PM
Thanks. No, I'm in Kansas.

derekva
09-22-2012, 01:39 AM
Here's my brand new (to me, at least) 1957 Fisher Medalist II R20-P Provence monophonic console. The electronics are all working but the Garrard changer needs to be removed and lubed:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/221370_10151152331449712_2104549736_o.jpg

-D

uenjoymyself
09-22-2012, 01:54 AM
how the heck do you bookmark this page???

larryderouin
09-22-2012, 09:13 AM
Click on Favorites in your browser, click on Add to Favorites, then save in which ever folder you choose.

DustyOldPile
04-16-2013, 01:12 PM
Anyone care to take a gander as to the year of this beast? Is it solid state or tube? That's a Dual 1015 if that helps.

WarrGo
04-17-2013, 04:12 PM
Looks SS to me. Possible it could
Be a hybred

TheRed1
04-17-2013, 06:54 PM
Chassis is the SS 31-R from 1967. The Dual will identify the exact model but the catalog doesn't list the 1015. Here's what it shows:

Dual 1014 = Regent
Dual 1009 = Statesman
Dual 1019 = Designer Series

The Executive also uses the 1019 but the changer would be on the left which rules out that model.

phillychris1
04-24-2013, 04:26 PM
Hi all, I have a 1962 Fisher Futura III console. I got everything basically working, but with two minor annoyances...
1. When playing the phonograph, (a garrard turntable), the sound from the radio tuner bleeds into the speakers at a low volume. This also happens when I am running the auxillary input with a cd player or mp3 player.

2. The turntable arm always goes to the position for playing 45s, even when a 33 is playing. I can live with this, but I really would like to get rid of that bleeding into the speakers by the radio tuner when the other functions are supposed to be operating.

KentTeffeteller
04-24-2013, 07:23 PM
In 1963, the Zenith had Micro-Touch with 2G tracking force. VM built changer. Zenith had a better than average tuner and good amplfier and speakers. The early SS era, this being the beginnings was rather problem prone. Fisher was a bit conservative. And made to their usual standards. Zenith had the best ceramic equipped changer and extremely gentle on records. The Masterworks is the really interesting sleeper here. They got very well rated. And could track lighter than rated with a stylus change then. Appears too that that changer can be easily upgraded in the cartridge department too. And a console I'd love to see and hear a good example of.

dbaudio
10-19-2013, 12:44 PM
Glad to have found this Fisher console resource and open this thread up again with the Executive VII from '62. Here are some pictures -- just got it today haven't dusted if off yet or cleaned it. R2R isn't working yet or the Garrard (could be in the fuse on the tuner power source?) But the Tuner is in fantastic condition and sounds incredible through the speakers. Plugged in my other TT for now and love the sound.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher1_zpse3f7becc.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher5_zpsd8d32dd2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher2_zps7faea819.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher4_zps978c4758.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher6_zps0b6a5696.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher7_zps5e9e10e2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher3_zps2110d092.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher10_zpsce2ec05e.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher8_zps83364642.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll129/greatbooks4u/fisher/fisher9_zpse8e17ec9.jpg

shacky
10-19-2013, 05:26 PM
That's a beauty :thmbsp:

larryderouin
10-19-2013, 05:58 PM
GREAT LOOKING EXECUTIVE VII! And with the R2R too!!!! I just noticed the legs are missing and casters installed. The legs are approx. 7" long and are angled out at the bottom.

Biggest problem with the Type "A", actually most Garrard's from that era is the lubricant has hardened and isn't lubricating will and the idler wheel has gotten hard and brittle. Best thing is to remove it and diss-assemble, clean off all the old lubricant and re-lube with 1 part sewing machine oil with 3 parts white lithium grease. SPARINGLY lubricate all the sliding parts (mark the lubed areas after cleaning), and oil the spindle with straight sewing machine oil.

Clean off the idler with HOT WATER and DAWN. Rinse with HOT WATER and Don't touch the rubber after this. Wipe with at least 91% isopropyl alcohol. Then clean the inside of the platter the same way. If it doesn't come back to spec, replace the idler with a rebuilt unit. (www.thevoiceofmusic.com) has them for about $25.00 with the old one for rebuild. Or Terry's Rubber Rollers can rebuild it for $45.00.

Does it have the optional Multiplex unit? If so it's probably a MPX-200.

www.fisherconsoles.com should have all the service manuals (except for the TT and R2R).

Again, Beautiful Modern Executive.

Larry

dbaudio
10-19-2013, 06:32 PM
GREAT LOOKING EXECUTIVE VII! And with the R2R too!!!! I just noticed the legs are missing and casters installed. The legs are approx. 7" long and are angled out at the bottom.


Kind of a bummer about the angled legs, but I have to say that being able to roll this 200lbs beast to the side to work on it and just move it around if I need to is really a plus. I'm a huge fan of mid-century design and would have been happy without the casters, but my back would pay a toll.

Thanks for the cleaning tips on the Garrad. I will use that when I clean it this weekend. I'm surprised how well taken care of this particular unit was. Just needs a good dusting.

Oh, one of the small ext. speakers isn't working. Can anyone recommend a place to send it to for repair? It's small so it's easy to ship out.

dbaudio
10-19-2013, 06:35 PM
Does it have the optional Multiplex unit? If so it's probably a MPX-200.

Yes, it's has the multiplex

walyfd
10-21-2013, 09:08 AM
WOW! Amazing how different the '62 is from the '61. I thought they used Ampex recorders starting in '62. That should be a 2 and 4-track r2r. The Garrard "A" is a good upgrade from the "88" series. They're not that difficult to get back in top shape. The dried grease is the biggest culprit with them. They come apart rather easily but can be a challenge to reassemble without lots of photos and the schematic.

Love the WS-1 speakers, too!

CONGRATULATIONS!

spooner91
01-21-2014, 06:17 PM
I actually have a 1962 fisher executive VII modern console along with the 1962 catalog and manuals for the record player and reel to reel player anyone know about how much its worth?

larryderouin
01-21-2014, 11:59 PM
Questions about curent worth are only permitted in the Dollars and Sense Forum.

Back in 1962 that unit NEW as equipped was $1595.00. That works out to about $12,303.52 in 2013 if it was built now using the original tooling and labor.

atomix
08-03-2014, 04:54 PM
Wow, incredible thread. Just to add a bit, have been into audio for a long time, but started looking at consoles as a 'neat' cabinet for the family room in a new home. Thought the internals might be scrapped and I'd put my newer solid state gear or a tubed integrated in.

Anyhow, a few weeks of cruising craigslist, and I see this 15 minutes from me... in a vaguely worded ad, a 1965 Fischer Electra VIII E-490. To my surprise when I show up with the pickup truck, darn near everything works. FM, turntable, speakers sound OK, but with a pretty good 60Hz hum that doesn't change with volume. Oh well, $100 later, it's home! Came with the original manual, good bit of paperwork and a pretty badly bent stylus!

Have been tearing into it for the past week, reading threads here, studying the schematic, etc. Haven't beat the hum yet (swapped 12AX7s in the preamp and amp for known good ones), but I believe it's the power supply. The preamp section hums even when driving another amplifier, in all positions. Have disconnected all inputs, etc. Saw one suggestion to disconnect phono which I haven't tried.

Amp/Power Supply section is already being torn into a bit, my Mouser order arrived with replacements for all the electrolytics (several were bulging, plus hopefully that will cure the hum).

Haven't put all data together, was the Miracord TT standard or an option?

larryderouin
08-03-2014, 11:41 PM
The miracord 10F (F for FISHER) was the standard turntable for most of the FISHER 1965 line up except for the Ambassador and the Executive which had Dual 1009's. Even the TOTL President had a Miracord.

Your's is identical to mine. Be very careful with the transistor's, as they are Germanium, rare as hen's teeth to replace and more expensive than your wife's shoe collection. Remove them CAREFULLY one at a time, clean off the old heatsink grease from the transistor, the mica insulator (don't bendit or it'll crack, then you'll need new one's), and the heatsink. Add NEW Heatsink compound (radioshack part # 276-1372A) very sparingly. You want an opaque layer on both sides of the mica.

It's a good unit. Hybrid sure, but it does a good job of filling the house with music. It's kind of rare compared to the full tube units (only made 2 years). And rather easy to rebuild.

Replace all of the CAN CAPS. Discrete caps can be done in the amp, but you'll have placement and space issues in the Tuner/preamp.

Look on the amp for 4 pots near the speaker outlets. If you see pot's, DO NOT TOUCH THEM under pain of death. These are the bias setting pots and have a very nasty tendency to go open, then the amp goes ballistic. If you have them replaced, get SEALED Units, and have them done in a shop and adjusted to the manual. If not, you either empty your wallet for 4 output transistors or have a very good looking doorstop!!!

However if you see chrome caps over the holes that means that FISHER did the temp compensating diode repair and you're good to go.

Not trying to scare you into not using it, just making you aware of some of the issues with the 49A/49T combo.

Mine (actually it's the wife's) was the 1st FISHER we bought. We've now got 7 FISHER's and a few others. Got to get rid of the others so have room for more FISHER's.

Good luck with it.

Larry

atomix
08-04-2014, 08:58 PM
Larry,
Very much appreciate the feedback on the troubleshooting steps, very cool that you own the twin of this unit! The transistor warning is ...well, necessary, I already took them out to inspect for silicone 'grease' as I think the manual calls it and found none. I've ordered similar heatsink/thermal compound to add in since these look like they could use all the help they can get to dissipate heat with the small heatsinks.

You had me laughing about the bias pots, mine fortunately appears to be upgraded or updated. I may replace the diodes in the circuit though, have had a few odd diode failures in the past years and they're cheap.

Just realized my location didn't show up on my first post, I'm just south of you and work up near Glen Burnie. Nice collection of gear, I guess I know who else will be trolling craigslist now that I'm starting to appreciate consoles...in addition to a dozen other hobbies. I started out looking for a Grundig console from the memories of my youth, and I'm not sure I have stopped looking. Where do you find the space??

I'm Hope to steal a few evenings this week to recap and then report back with something substantive. thanks again,
Dave

larryderouin
08-04-2014, 11:44 PM
Those Diodes are even more rare than the germanium output's. They are a temperature compensating diode originally made by RCA (IIRC 1n2326 or something like that) about $30.00 each if you can find them. They either work or don't. If working leave them alone.

I've got 4 of the FISHER's upstairs, (1000sqft ranch) and all the rest of them in the basement. House is literally full. I haven't gotten a console in almost 2 years now. It's mainly receivers and turntables now.

If you need help with it, let me know thru PM.

Larry