Guess I need to stop reading the news...

[similost]

I just don't understand how things have changed so much.. When I was in thrid grade, the worst thing we did was worried about how to keep from catching cooties from that icky girl...

But this? http://www.news4jax.com/news/15755299/detail.html

And as far as punishment.. would a 3rd grader understand what conspiracy is, or am I misunderstanding what kids understand today???

[jhal]

Whatever happened to "I HATE YOU!"???

Now that the students have been suspended, maybe the parents can, well, PARENT!!!:rant::rant::rant:

[similost]

funny.. when I was a kid, MAN did we get the rod.. now days.. the paddle got put away, and seems like the kids are spoiled.. and WAY out of control..

I just don't understand how a bunch of 8 and 9 year olds could conspire to do something like this, and short of the knife being seen, keep it quiet as long as they did..

[HomerJ]

I've said this over and over again: IT'S ALL ABOUT PARENTING.

By the way, I don't have or like kids.

[jimfet]

Bring back the good ole ASS WHUPP'N

[vinyldavid]

Bring back the good ole ASS WHUPP'N

I hate to say this, being 16, but I think that it would have served myself and many of my peers well if we had been given one, or ten of them......

[Fisher-Dave]

I just don't understand how things have changed so much.. When I was in thrid grade, the worst thing we did was worried about how to keep from catching cooties from that icky girl...

But this? http://www.news4jax.com/news/15755299/detail.html

And as far as punishment.. would a 3rd grader understand what conspiracy is, or am I misunderstanding what kids understand today???


Sad to say but I think some of the bad starts right at home these days.My dad would have put pop knots on our heads for acting like this.We didn't have computers back then,but still had other things to fuss and bitch about.Never once did we have the balls to put on a show like this in dads house.Where's the parent? :scratch2: I know kids fuss but this is not normal :smoke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wZXEQ6kTs

[drknstrmyknight]

IF you haven't had a bunch of good a$$ whoopins by the time you're seven, I think you pretty much a guaranteed serial killer.

[thisOne]

IT'S ALL ABOUT PARENTING.

I thought that is why Television was invented...

[Fisher-Dave]

I was in court in our county a while back and seen some parents tell the judge they were sorry but they could not controll their kids in fear child services would step in. After hearing it a couple times the judge got upset and said
''There's no excuse for this... in the 9 years as judge in this county, not once have I let child services charge a parent with neglect or abuse for making a kid mind!. As long as I'm judge in this county, it simply will not happen! I was raised old school and it never hurt us in the long run,and thats whats wrong with kids today...parents don't make them mind. However,I will not allow a case of true child abuse in my county, but when a teen thinks they are big enough to push the parent out of the way..the parent has every right to push back! To each and every boy and girl in my courtroom today, I'm here to tell you all that calling child services in my county will do you no good if I feel the parent is in the right''!

I never seen such droopy teen faces after he whaled that out.:D

[Sandy G]

Like it says in the Good Book, "Spare the Rod, & Spoil the Child". I think most of us here had our Fannies Tanned at one time or another, didn't hurt me-Well, it did at the time-but..This "New Age" junk of time outs, counting, reasoning, etc, just doesn't work. Kids DON'T have the ability to reason like adults when they're kids. They respond to stimuli. A butt set on fire is pretty good stimuli, least it was for me..Only took a couple for ol' Sandy to figger out he didn't much like 'em, & the way NOT to get 'em was to Behave...

[Fisher-Dave]

Like it says in the Good Book, "Spare the Rod, & Spoil the Child". I think most of us here had our Fannies Tanned at one time or another, didn't hurt me-Well, it did at the time-but..This "New Age" junk of time outs, counting, reasoning, etc, just doesn't work. Kids DON'T have the ability to reason like adults when they're kids. They respond to stimuli. A butt set on fire is pretty good stimuli, least it was for me..Only took a couple for ol' Sandy to figger out he didn't much like 'em, & the way NOT to get 'em was to Behave...


Amen

[jdrum1]

I don't think its the methods my folks used to punish me, but the fact that they were involved and concerned enough to punish me.

[Henry Kloss]

I only remember getting spanked once, when I was about 8. It was a big deal, it raised welts, but at that point I knew where the boundary was. It didn't happen again untill I was about 14 when I disrespected my mom and didn't know my dad was there. I turned around, and the next thing I knew I was staring up at the dining room light. My dad had dropped me with a short right to the chin. Might not be politicaly correct. But it corrected me.

[similost]

My parents had a 1x6 pine paddle that got used very well between us 4 boys.. it had so much skin oil on it, it felt like a well used neighborhood bar railing.. man can my ass tell stories about that chunk of wood.. .

[Savjac]

I've said this over and over again: IT'S ALL ABOUT PARENTING.



It really is. Parenting and responsibility. That all starts at home. My how things have changed.

[sauuuuuce]

I was in court in our county a while back and seen some parents tell the judge they were sorry but they could not controll their kids in fear child services would step in. After hearing it a couple times the judge got upset and said
''There's no excuse for this... in the 9 years as judge in this county, not once have I let child services charge a parent with neglect or abuse for making a kid mind!. As long as I'm judge in this county, it simply will not happen! I was raised old school and it never hurt us in the long run,and thats whats wrong with kids today...parents don't make them mind. However,I will not allow a case of true child abuse in my county, but when a teen thinks they are big enough to push the parent out of the way..the parent has every right to push back! To each and every boy and girl in my courtroom today, I'm here to tell you all that calling child services in my county will do you no good if I feel the parent is in the right''!

I never seen such droopy teen faces after he whaled that out.:D

This guy should run for president. In my case, my dad never had to whoop on me. He just yelled and got pissed and I straightened up. I guess even as little bastard I respected the old man.

[vinyldavid]

I only remember getting spanked once, when I was about 8. It was a big deal, it raised welts, but at that point I knew where the boundary was. It didn't happen again untill I was about 14 when I disrespected my mom and didn't know my dad was there. I turned around, and the next thing I knew I was staring up at the dining room light. My dad had dropped me with a short right to the chin. Might not be politicaly correct. But it corrected me.

Often in my school I feel obligated to correct my peers' behavior toward women....I can't use that method, though.....:tears:

[mwr885]

This guy should run for president. In my case, my dad never had to whoop on me. He just yelled and got pissed and I straightened up. I guess even as little bastard I respected the old man.

Biggest Threat in our house mom saying... "Wait till your father gets home"

The dread for the next two hours just thinking about having to tell dad why he needed to whoop my ass was far, far, worse than the punishment. :yes:

[similost]

Biggest Threat in our house mom saying... "Wait till your father gets home"

The dread for the next two hours just thinking about having to tell dad why he needed to whoop my ass was far, far, worse than the punishment. :yes:

We got that too, after mom got done brusing us first.. it was always a double whammy.. .

[Andyman]

Here's the kind of Administration we need a bit more of at home these days.....

Damn, lost the "Board of Education" caption, but y'all knew that anyhow, right :yes:

[Sandy G]

I was always promised, too, if I got paddled at school, I'd get at least TWICE that bad when I got home...The Principal, Ben Cunningham, sat in the pew in front of us, he & my dad Henry talked a lot before church, I never wanted to "try" it & call Henry's bluff...Oh, yeah...Having to "stew" about What Your Daddy Was Going To Do When He Gets Home was a HELLUVA lot worse than what usually ended up happening...W/any luck, Mama had "cooled off" enuff, she'd forget to tell him about it...

[similost]

Mom never had to mention a word.. Dad knew either by the way we were missing, or standing there with our hands over our ass looking like a dog that just got caught in the trash..

[Sandy G]

Ben Cunningham's "Board of Education" reputedly had holes drilled in the Business End to decrease the wind resistance, so your Butt got the full force of Application...I'm happy I never got to meet The Board...(grin)

[similost]

I don't think it's the lack of resistance that makes the holes so bad.. it's the skin squeezing into the holes, then being ripped back out of them that makes it bad.. Our junior high principal had one of those boards.. it only took me ONE TIME of getting that to learn to shape up in class....

Man.. times sure are different.. now he would be in prison for that.. and he probably got about 5 of us kids daily.. The teacher would send you into the hallway.. you would just stand there and wait.. he walked the halls during every class period looking for the victims..

[Elfasto]

Screw that.

I'm one of the few parents that will spank my kid if they screw up bad enough, and they have to mess up REAL BAD, but they will get a ass tanning.

[similost]

My brother has a nylon rod that says "spoil them hell!" on it... he has some of he best behaved kids I've seen in years. He almost never uses it, but the sight of it changes the whole ball game.. . Man.. glad he wasn't my father.. the thing looks too damn painful..

[Henry Kloss]

I completely forgot about the STRAP at school. I got it twice. grade two and four. In grade four I pulled my hand away, and the principle hit his own knee. I think I got a couple more because of this.

Good times!!

[Sandy G]

We got sent down to see Ben... His office was right in the middle of the building on the 2nd floor..It was an old building, 15' ceilings, wood floors, PERFECT acoustics...Ben would commence wailin' on some kid, it would be heard thruout the whole building...Back in those days, the teachers'-AND Mr Cunningham's word was Law, if a kid got paddled, it was pretty much understood he had it coming.

[Henry Kloss]

The thing with corporal punishment is, if used correctly, it should only be required until the threat of it is all that is needed.

[similost]

The thing with corporal punishment is, if used correctly, it should only be required until the threat of it is all that is needed.

yeah.. well.. some of us were pretty hard headed with a seriously caloused ass...

[Sandy G]

The threat..Did I tell y'all about my cousin Tommy Kirk ? Back in the '50s, my Chattanooga cousins took a family trip to Arlington, Virginia, to see my Aunt Elsie. 2-lane blacktop, no A/C, too many big fat Joneses in one car. My cousin, Tommy Kirk went, he was like 10-12, right at the REAL "Smartass" stage. Most all of 'em were ready to Pinch His Head Off about the 2nd day. Well, they stayed up there in DC for a week, were heading home when finally his Mama gets a bellyfull of him. They stop at some place way the hell up in Virginia for lunch, Aunt Ruth draws herself up to her nearly 6' height-she was a BIG woman-not fat, mind you, but lets say "Formidable"- & excuses herself to the ladies room. She wheels around right B4 she goes in & says in a commanding voice, "THOMAS KIRK JONES, Come Here !" & motions w/her hand. He gets up, puts his hands on his hips & snidely goes, "What does SHE want ?!?" He gets close to the door, this Hand comes out & snatches him offa his feet. Muffled screams & dull thuds were heard from the Ladies john. Presently Aunt Ruth & Master Tommy Kirk emerge, his hair was combed, his face was washed, his pants were pulled up, & he had a whole new outlook on life. I think he barely uttered a peep all the way back to Nooga...Aunt Ruth & Tommu Kirk had an old-fashioned Come To Jesus party, but Jesus wasn't invited, I don't think...That story was told to us kids as soon as we were old enuff to understand, & any time one of us would get Uppity, one of the adults would say "Tommy Kirk's Arlington trip", & glower at the offender, & the THREAT was usually enuff to make the most recalitrant miscreant cease 'n' desist...

[clydeselsor]

I was raised on a farm. We had a wood shed in back. Nuff said!
:butt1::cry:

[Earlsays]

I think kids need it in all but rare cases in order to turn out right...in some cases it was a bit extreme...my dad's parents are hard-core baptist--preachy, in-your-face everyone is inferior types...they took the whole "spare the rod" thing a bit far...my dad used to have a daily beating from his dad, weather he did anything or not...reasoning was "in case you're considering doing anything or have done anything I don't know about" His mom would write down anything and everything he did wrong on any given day...I wouldn't be surprised if things where fabricated, imagined, etc. major psychological abuse from his mom, major physical abuse from his dad...as a result, my dad is one screwed up dude emotionally--just a real strange cat...not a bad guy, we get along (now) but he has issues. His parents took it way too far.

BUT...

I got it growing up too from my parents...not on THAT level or anything, but if I did anything the belt flew, or the fists flew, or like Red from that 70s show, foot up the ass, not quite literally, but you know what I mean. Now I'd say it WAS taken a bit far and was quite un-deserved for me christmas day 1992, but other than that, I pretty much got what was coming to me growing up. I'm not mad, I see that it had it's place and it's benefit, and if I ever had kids (doubtful) I wouldn't hold back, I'd partake in the belt...however, since you can't do that anymore...

And I'm not that old...I was born in 1982...growing up, I remember other kids, seeing them do things I could have never imagined doing, and it was either a super-lame "time out" (which I thought was the pussy way around things even then) or something like "now johnny don't make me take away your TV or video games" this would be late 80s early 90s, mind you...I got the belt until age ten...it never happened again, but from that point forward, it was the threat of...or just a verbal asskicking, going on for days or weeks...not really right the way some things, no big deal type stuff was dragged out, but hey, it's my dad and his strangely twisted mind...no harm, no foul...

Now as for my sister and her four-year-old...hes probably going to be a bad kid...hate to say it...no dicipline, she took our upbrining as "we where abused" and I took it as "we probably deserved most of it" so as a result, her kid gets no real punishment, and is sort of out of control...he was throwing a fit, my dad and I looked at him, looked at each other, shook our head and said at the same time "he sure does need a good ass kickin" then looked at each other in disbelief. Time shall tell, I suppose...

A good friend of mine had an upbringing similar to mine...we turned out quite similar, he and his sisters are well-mannered, and never, still don't mouth off to their parents...I got snappy/sarcastic/smartass with his mom once and she hit me...this was like three years ago! They go "aww, now you're family"

As for their kid? Who knows, he believs in the belt and such, his wife was never diciplined as a kid, and doesn't believe in it, therefore...kid doesn't get it...hopefully he'll turn out OK....this particular friend of mine has a nephew who is 15...totally cool, respectuful, decent, nice kid...again...case in point...

When I was a kid in school, like third grade, I remember telling kids that I wished they'd bring back the paddle...even though I'd-a gotten it too at some point...but my rationale was that it'd be worth it just for the order it would possibly bring...now that video...unbelievable...I woulda had a bowling ball upside the ass for doing something like that, and the computer would have been on the ground in pieces...that's just amazing, and the parents where laughing!! WTF?!?

So anyway, yeah, I'll probably not have kids...

[philo426]

Well when I got out of line I used to get the paddle.And if it happened at school my Dad would give me twice as many wacks.I turned out okay and my kids know not to disrespect me or their mom or they will get it!They are turning out just fine and every time we go to a parent/teacher conference the Teachers tell us what a good job we are doing as parents!Wow!high prasise from the experts!We have rules but they are reasonable and the kids are happy and respectful!

[Fisher-Dave]

Our schools still use the paddle.Some parents don't like it but learning the judge here sides with the paddle,the parents either got used to it,or moved out of the county so the kids could go to another school.It seems like it's only the folks that move here from somewhere else are the ones who don't want paddles in school.Sadly,they have a write up in our paper quite often basicly telling outsiders to pack up and move if they don't like DeKalb Co ways.Most that live here are kinfolks, parents,grandparents,and great grandparents were born and raised here.Our town only has about 800 folks living here,the next town only has 376, and the next town only has 310 folks.These three towns share the same school,kinda long buss ride for some scattered out in the sticks,but only around 430 kids total K-8'th grade here.Small close net places like this are very set in their ways as I've learned moving here from Atlanta.These cats choose who they decide to sell land to, or restrict it before selling so farms can't be devided and sold as lots later.See the Mule on the rock bluff in the link below.The state wanted a 4 lane out here for whatever reason and the locals didn't let the state blast that bluff to make the road wider, the Mule went to Capital Hill in DC and the Mule got to stay.The state was over ridden and had to leave the Mule painting on that rock bluff.The non locals thought it was childish, but the locals fight change tooth and nail.It is piecefull here though.

http://www.smithvilletn.com/liberty.htm

[Twenty20Man]

mom had the old wooden spoon till i grew big enough to turn things over to dad... i understood the word respect, kids today can barely spell it. my son can..

[x_25]

My parents would spank me. But only if they both agreed it was needed. They had an amazing system set up. I really should thank them one of these days for that.

[Squonk07]

I hate to say this, being 16, but I think that it would have served myself and many of my peers well if we had been given one, or ten of them......

Well, the old punishments never really died in my home and, well, here I am in college on a scholarship, able to do whatever I now am privileged to choose. It just goes to prove what everybody here has already said: parenting = everything. For example, the kid next door was only a little older than me. He went to the same school, lived in the same neighborhood, etc. as me. And yet, he turned into a delinquent who finally hit the big time when he got suspended indefinitely for threatening a teacher. Why? Well, his mother could care less, and--as is too often the case--his father was a "man's man" who encouraged aggression and played off anything and everything his darling little angel did as "just bein' a boy."

Funny. I'm a boy, too, and yet I didn't vandalize the school nature center, terrorize the neighborhood kids, sell drugs out of my house, or...last I checked...attempt to harm a teacher. Naw, my parents disciplined me when I acted up.

What a novel concept. :scratch2:

[jimfet]

Mom gave my brother and myself most of the whippings. The only time dad did it was to save our lives. Mom would have killed us.