NS-1000Ms in Knoxville TN $500 BIN !!

[Nyquist]

I have a second chance offer on these that I got when the first buyer bailed due to shipping cost. Unfortunately I am going to do the same. The seller had them listed with a very low shipping cost (she didn't realize how heavy they were till later & didn't pull the ad when she found out). When she made me the 2nd chance offer she was clear that it's only good if I pay shipping, so I think it was just inexperience not maliciousness. Unfortunately the best shipping rate I can find to my area (based on proper boxing) is $300 via FedEx Ground. The base price is already well past my already badly blown toy budget and this just pushes it too far for me right now. But this looks like a heck of a deal if you've got the spare change, especially if you're local.

The listing says NS-1000 but they look like NS-1000Ms to me. They're also not mirror-imaged. All the other sets I've seen (pictures of) are mirror imaged so I'm guessing it's a mismatched pair. Don't know if it's two lefts or two rights. Imaging will be off a little but if you care you should be able pick up an empty cabinet of the other hand (handedness?) -- I see these around when folks part them out.

Also included is a recent Yamaha receiver, an older CDP, and a set of speaker stands. The receiver seems to be still current and the CDP is 15-20 years old. Can't find anything about it.

Seller was quite decent in our email discussions about packaging. You won't get a customized packing job (unless you use a pack-n-ship place or do it yourself) but she was willing to get big strong boxes and use lots of bubblewrap. (I was thinking of having the right stuff delivered to make sure.)

The item number is 160227940100. I don't know if you'll see the 2nd chance offer or not (it's only good till early tomorrow anyway), but since it's to me that may not matter. I don't know if eBay will let someone else take an offer like that, or if you should try. I'm just sharing it so you can get to the listing & follow up from there with the seller. She may want to start an open auction again.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160227940100yy

BTW she's the 2nd owner and says the 1st guy babied them. (No suggestion that she did not)

[Sandy G]

Too bad I ain't got $500...Those puppies are about an hour & a half away from me...

[BroonsBane]

That's a good deal but unless I could pick it all up I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. You'll likely wind up with those 1000M's in 1000 pieces.

[avionic]

Take about under the radar.If that guy would have listed it properly he could have gotten $1500 for the lot pretty easy.

[Mchaz]

25 lbs apiece. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

And again...

:lmao:

I would think for $300 you could ship those suckers on a pallet. :scratch2: Figure about 200 lbs for the shipping weight.

[Brudha]

Where's Elroy?

[Nyquist]

25 lbs apiece. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

And again...

:lmao:

I would think for $300 you could ship those suckers on a pallet. :scratch2: Figure about 200 lbs for the shipping weight.

I figured about 220 because the boxes are 8 lb apiece. One per speaker and one for the rest. I was looking at these:
http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-13333&ref=418
Plenty of room for lots of layers of 1/2" heavy-duty bubblewrap. I had a couple of oscilloscopes shipped on a pallet with about 4" of that stuff taped around them (along with a big cart and some other stuff) and they came out just fine.

[Nyquist]

That's a good deal but unless I could pick it all up I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. You'll likely wind up with those 1000M's in 1000 pieces.

You'd need a really long pole to touch it from Thunder Bay :yes:

Having had a bunch of electronic equipment shipped recently by people who do it for a living, I'm getting a feeling for what it takes to keep the stuff safe. And one of those things seems to be a lot of layers of heavy-duty bubblewrap. I saw the pics of that NS-2000X woofer that got trashed last year (sorry, don't recall whose it was right now) and the first thing I thought when I saw the initial unwrapping pics was "Gee, that styrofoam sheet is awfully rigid stuff when you spread out the weight on it -- if the box is dropped flat a lot of the shock will go right through to the speaker cabinet". And it did. I think bubblewrap comes out way ahead in that dept.

[AArdvarq]

I recently shipped a Marantz 1200 and encased it in 3-4 inches solid styrofoam. When it got there it had been dropped flat, upside down from high enough it almost tore the transformer loose. The ears had to be straightened.:thumbsdn: Fortunately when it came back packed the same way, no damage. I think the bubble wrap is a good idea. Heh, bubble wrap encased in wood then concrete. Has anyone ever tried using that insulation (maybe urethane) that is in a can, foams up and sets up like styrofoam. You could wrap the component in plastic trash bags, set them on styrofoam spacers and fill the entire box with a form fitting insulation. Gonna check into that.

[Nyquist]

I recently shipped a Marantz 1200 and encased it in 3-4 inches solid styrofoam. When it got there it had been dropped flat, upside down from high enough it almost tore the transformer loose. The ears had to be straightened.:thumbsdn: Fortunately when it came back packed the same way, no damage. I think the bubble wrap is a good idea. Heh, bubble wrap encased in wood then concrete. Has anyone ever tried using that insulation (maybe urethane) that is in a can, foams up and sets up like styrofoam. You could wrap the component in plastic trash bags, set them on styrofoam spacers and fill the entire box with a form fitting insulation. Gonna check into that.

Yes, the shipping companies call that "foam in place". Instead of wrapping the equipment, they use bags to hold the foam. I guess they squirt the foam in a bag in the bottom of the box, put the item down on the soft foam & press in place, and then foam another bag or two on top and around. The bags separate into custom-formed pieces when you open it up.

I think it's a great method but I am a little leery about it for a couple reasons. For one thing, the urethane foam I'm used to stinks of solvents. I don't know what kind the shippers use, but I figure it has to have some kind of solvent so it will probably outgas something. I suppose the bags help to contain that, but you can usually see foam coming out of splits in the bag (it expands a lot) so I figure plenty escapes and I have to wonder what the solvents do to the electronics. I'd suggest not sealing up the box right away but letting it breathe a while (after you make sure the top closes properly). I think it may be a good idea to also wrap the equipment in a poly bag first & tie it up tight just to keep the gas & any stray foam out.

Re the expansion, it is pretty tricky to manage & very powerful so you'd probably want to practice first on something that you don't care about.

The other reason I'm not super thrilled with foam in place is the same as the styrofoam. It's not quite as rigid but it fits so perfectly that it really spreads any impact around. That's great for mirrors & such but it would have to be pretty darn soft to soak up and dissipate a lot of shock rather than transferring evenly to the item. That's the key with heavy magnets, transformers & stuff bolted/glued/soldered in place. You don't want to transfer the shock evenly to the cabinet so much as you want to transfer it SLOWLY to the cabinet. I don't think the expanding urethane foam is all that soft/compliant, so I'd say it is great to keep something from rattling around but not so wonderful for keeping heavy internal parts from getting ripped loose due to their own inertia when the box is dropped.

[KR7600]

I am in Knoxville. I called the person selling them. I am going to pick them up this evening. It is on my way home from the office. I will compare them to my mirror set of NS1000M's. Thanks for the heads up.

[Urizen]

I am in Knoxville. I called the person selling them. I am going to pick them up this evening. It is on my way home from the office. I will compare them to my mirror set of NS1000M's. Thanks for the heads up.

The auction is still live. Ya might wanna take care of that, before someone else snags them.

Good luck!:thmbsp:

[brutal]

Yes, the shipping companies call that "foam in place". Instead of wrapping the equipment, they use bags to hold the foam. I guess they squirt the foam in a bag in the bottom of the box, put the item down on the soft foam & press in place, and then foam another bag or two on top and around. The bags separate into custom-formed pieces when you open it up.

I think it's a great method but I am a little leery about it for a couple reasons. For one thing, the urethane foam I'm used to stinks of solvents. I don't know what kind the shippers use, but I figure it has to have some kind of solvent so it will probably outgas something. I suppose the bags help to contain that, but you can usually see foam coming out of splits in the bag (it expands a lot) so I figure plenty escapes and I have to wonder what the solvents do to the electronics. I'd suggest not sealing up the box right away but letting it breathe a while (after you make sure the top closes properly). I think it may be a good idea to also wrap the equipment in a poly bag first & tie it up tight just to keep the gas & any stray foam out.

Re the expansion, it is pretty tricky to manage & very powerful so you'd probably want to practice first on something that you don't care about.

The other reason I'm not super thrilled with foam in place is the same as the styrofoam. It's not quite as rigid but it fits so perfectly that it really spreads any impact around. That's great for mirrors & such but it would have to be pretty darn soft to soak up and dissipate a lot of shock rather than transferring evenly to the item. That's the key with heavy magnets, transformers & stuff bolted/glued/soldered in place. You don't want to transfer the shock evenly to the cabinet so much as you want to transfer it SLOWLY to the cabinet. I don't think the expanding urethane foam is all that soft/compliant, so I'd say it is great to keep something from rattling around but not so wonderful for keeping heavy internal parts from getting ripped loose due to their own inertia when the box is dropped.

Many years ago I ran a computer service and refurb operation and we shipped thousands of computer terminals, monitors, printers, etc. and rarely had any sort of shipping damage because we used a foam-in-place machine.

The best packaging I've seen outside of that is the die cut soft closed cell foam endcaps that have shock absorbers of a sort built in.

[Nyquist]

I am in Knoxville. I called the person selling them. I am going to pick them up this evening. It is on my way home from the office. I will compare them to my mirror set of NS1000M's. Thanks for the heads up.

Awesome.
Let me know how they sound. :music:

[toxcrusadr]

Glad someone got those.

I've used a lot of rigid styrofoam and if I'm worried about it I use an inner bubble wrap layer (or 3).

It should be kept in mind that the makers of virtually all electronics from flat screen TVs to computers are using custom fitted rigid styrofoam for packing. Virtually the ONLY packing. And their stuff is going on the same shipping routes as our stuff. They must know something.

[Nyquist]

Glad someone got those.

I've used a lot of rigid styrofoam and if I'm worried about it I use an inner bubble wrap layer (or 3).

It should be kept in mind that the makers of virtually all electronics from flat screen TVs to computers are using custom fitted rigid styrofoam for packing. Virtually the ONLY packing. And their stuff is going on the same shipping routes as our stuff. They must know something.

There are a couple issues here. For one thing, they know that they don't have 25 lb transformers soldered to flimsy PC cards, or huge woofer magnets glued on with dried-out, brittle glue! Those are not issues for most modern products. Most components are lighter now, and a big part of modern product design is to make sure that the product is shippable, so if it's an issue they are going to either change the design (make it stronger) or find another way to protect things, for example, by shipping pieces separately. I don't know if any modern high-end designs ship with the woofers packed separately, but that would be one option.

A second issue, I think, is that the custom fitted styrofoam pieces are often NOT large sheets but rather corner and edge braces and the like. I suspect that's not just done to save styrofoam, but that they are sized to balance the compliance of the material vs. the forces expected. If you use styrofoam pieces that are small enough (but not too small), you can expect flexing (and crushing) that will absorb energy and slow down impulse loads. Kind of like a bicycle helmet -- the job of the styrofoam lining is to crush before your skull does. More relevant to this topic, it should crush before your brain bruises too badly when it bangs against the inside of your skull and bounces around -- that's how a lot of concussions happen.

If we had the same analysis and testing tools available when packing audio equipment that the pros have when designing product packaging, we could probably optimize the shape and size of rigid styrofoam inserts to work pretty well. But that's not an option since just about every packing job is a custom job.

I like the idea of bubblewrap inside styrofoam. I would probably lean towards mostly bubblewrap, but once there's enough bounce then sure, you could fill up the rest with just about anything including styrofoam.

Another option is upholstery foam. I saw that mentioned in a thread from last year (probably the one about the NS-2000X disaster). It's a lot more compliant than styrofoam. I've received a couple audio pieces that were packed in upholstery foam.

[Chazzer]

Guys and Gals............Look closely at the speakers in the pic. Didn't the speakers come as a mirrored set?:scratch2: What I see is not mirrored. Just my observation.

[Stoffie]

Topicstarter already mentioned that ;)

[Nyquist]

Guys and Gals............Look closely at the speakers in the pic. Didn't the speakers come as a mirrored set?:scratch2: What I see is not mirrored. Just my observation.

Yup. Already covered. See earlier posts. The guy who's buying them is OK with that.

[StarMover]

I wouldn't think mirror imaging makes much of a difference on big floorstanders like those. Now for studio monitors I could see it.

[Nyquist]

I wouldn't think mirror imaging makes much of a difference on big floorstanders like those. Now for studio monitors I could see it.

These were actually sold (and were widely used) as studio monitors. In fact, they are the monitor version of the NS-1000.
It's an interesting question though, but probably better discussed in another forum.

[KR7600]

I picked up the speakers on the way home. The woofers are a little dusty and the cabinets are in decent condition. The receiver is your basic receiver but the CD player is a CDX-1050. He had all the remotes. The CD player must weigh 30-40 pounds. It has 2 cases, an outer one and an inner one. The inner case is separated from the chassis by copper sheathing and copper screws. It looks very well made and has an optical and coaxial out.

[Nyquist]

I picked up the speakers on the way home. The woofers are a little dusty and the cabinets are in decent condition. The receiver is your basic receiver but the CD player is a CDX-1050. He had all the remotes. The CD player must weigh 30-40 pounds. It has 2 cases, an outer one and an inner one. The inner case is separated from the chassis by copper sheathing and copper screws. It looks very well made and has an optical and coaxial out.

Yer killin' me :tears:

Hear anything yet?

[KR7600]

I hauled the monitors into the house. One of the tweeters is out. I got a set of empty cabinets from ebay. Anyone know where I can get a replacement tweeter?

[Stoffie]

If you're lucky you can still get them new through Yamaha. The Yamaha heads here will be able to help you further :)

[avionic]

You can still get them directly from YAMAHA USA ( NEW) Roughly $110 ea. There was another place that had them for around $85 but the vendor name has slipped my memory..$500BIN what a steal...
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/generaldetail.html?CNTID=451690&CTID=5010100

[Nyquist]

You can still get them directly from YAMAHA USA ( NEW) Roughly $110 ea. There was another place that had them for around $85 but the vendor name has slipped my memory..$500BIN what a steal...
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/generaldetail.html?CNTID=451690&CTID=5010100

I have an eBay message from the seller saying all the drivers are good. So he/she was lying to me. Very sorry you got screwed. Will PM you with more info.

Also, I contacted Yamaha a couple weeks ago to ask about replacement tweeters and
:eek::eek::eek: THEY STOPPED SELLING THEM IN JANUARY !!!! :eek::eek::eek:
Made me extra careful before buying the speakers sight unseen.

So... everyone: TAKE CARE OF YOUR TWEETERS & don't assume you can get new ones.

[stuwee]

I have an eBay message from the seller saying all the drivers are good. So he/she was lying to me. Very sorry you got screwed. Will PM you with more info.

Also, I contacted Yamaha a couple weeks ago to ask about replacement tweeters and
:eek::eek::eek: THEY STOPPED SELLING THEM IN JANUARY !!!! :eek::eek::eek:
Made me extra careful before buying the speakers sight unseen.

So... everyone: TAKE CARE OF YOUR TWEETERS & don't assume you can get new ones.

And take Care When handling the tweeters, Berylium is an extremely Toxic Substance!!!!!!!!! You may want to check on safe handling procedures!!

Nice haul!!

Craig

[avionic]

And take Care When handling the tweeters, Berylium is an extremely Toxic Substance!!!!!!!!! You may want to check on safe handling procedures!!

Nice haul!!

CraigBerylium is an extremely Toxic Substance!!!!!!!!! Very true...

As long as you don't take the drivers apart there is no problem--One reason they have the mesh screens covering the drivers.Yikes no more tweeters from Yamaha..Well they must have sold there spares to a third party..

[Brad Muller]

:worthless

[Teron]

Very true...

As long as you don't take the drivers apart there is no problem--One reason they have the mesh screens covering the drivers.Yikes no more tweeters from Yamaha..Well they must have sold there spares to a third party..

What if you do touch the mid or tweeter?

Then what? Instant death? I touched midrange dome on one that was ripped in half during shipping. Didn't mean to but picking it up the weight was a little different than I expected and I grabbed it not wanting to drop it.
Meaning the magnet sheared off but the dome is fully intact. Neat stuff. I thought they were baked or something and harmless after the procedure was done?

uh-oh spaghettio?

[bolly]

I touched midrange dome on one that was ripped in half during shipping.

the ones I shipped Teron? :yikes:

[Teron]

the ones I shipped Teron? :yikes:

Nope another pair. One woofer in the set you shipped didn't survive - it's seized but unlike this other pair the magnet wasn't laying at the bottom of the speaker and was still attached. Obviously it just shifted.

I've for now given up on a set of them. The pair that lost the midrange was very poorly packed and that's the pair I got ripped off on. Supposedly mint and professionally restored cabinets by a cabinet maker. That was a very expensive lesson. Not only did I pay for professionally refinished speakers, I paid for professional packing too. Too bad there was no professional in either... PayPal protected that seller even with proof in emails he's slime. No insurance on the packages, even though I also paid for that.


That pair had two working tweeters, a ripped in half mid, and a ripped in half woofer. Along with a seized woofer. I've decided if I ever get a pair now it's local or nothing.

[toxcrusadr]

What if you do touch the mid or tweeter?

Then what? Instant death? I touched midrange dome on one that was ripped in half during shipping. Didn't mean to but picking it up the weight was a little different than I expected and I grabbed it not wanting to drop it.
Meaning the magnet sheared off but the dome is fully intact. Neat stuff. I thought they were baked or something and harmless after the procedure was done?

uh-oh spaghettio?

I don't know what form it's in here, probably as an alloy?

Beryllium is most toxic through the inhalation pathway, and most of the people who have gotten sick were workers in the Be industry, handling it all the time and breathing dust, or they were neighbors to same. If you took a grinder to it, even one exposure to that would not be good but probably would not make you sick. (but, as the Terminator said, "Don't do dat.") Just handling an intact magnet briefly will not give you a dread disease. Breathing dust and fumes over time can. It's all in the risk level, which in your case is probably higher for getting struck by lightning than getting Chronic Beryllium Disease. :cool:

For more info see

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts4.html

- Dr. Tox

[KR7600]

If one of you guys are interested in parting with a working tweeter. Name your price.

[Teron]

Thanks for the link on the Be info.

According to that site I'll survive.
There is a little dust behind the dome tweeter, but I did wash my hands immediately afterwards. I did touch the pretty colored metal, not just the magnet. The protective grill is still intact, I touched the back of the dome.

Neat to see behind it for sure. I'll post pics sometime.