Looking for a high tech surroud sound

[SpangleStomp]

not sure if this in the right spot so move if need be

Im not a tech junkie but do wanna learn and for my new master room I would like to get a sick surround sound system

im looking to spend no more than 500$ on the reg system and 100$ on 4 extra speakers

what im looking for is a 6 speaker system, 2 of the wider ones put by the tv, 2 stand up thin ones, and then the 2 extras or whatever, but one a sub or something like that

then id like 4 build in wall circle ones or whatever but they have to play off the same sound, is that possible or understand what im saying?

I dont want it to lag as ill be playing my ps3 a bunch and I want it to be perfect and not lag, if any questions on what i said let me know :scratch2:

i just wanna get a nice system :(

i found like it said 3000$ MRSP systems on ebay for 400$, guys had like 14,000 feedback with 99.9% approval, but people said dont buy them, but they are what im looking for with the sub etc, but im a fool haha

thanks!@

[genojayhawk]

First off - welcome to AK.

Second - that $3000 auction on ebay for $400 IS a SCAM. its worth about $50 if that. do a google search of "white van" speakers to learn more about these scams. Seriously.

Third - do research and learn up on this thing called audio. Most of us here at AK have a great passion for our gear. Seeing you say things like "the 2 extras or whatever" makes us think you really dont know what a "sick surround system" is.

Fourth - lag? I think unless you are using a computer for decoding and such, lag will never be an issue. someone else help me with this, but Im pretty sure lag is nonexistant. If you had your reciever decoding everything then youd never be concerned with lag.

[genojayhawk]

do a search for YHT-470 and HTS-GS1
compare it to the so called $3000 system

[whoaru99]

Fourth - lag? I think unless you are using a computer for decoding and such, lag will never be an issue. someone else help me with this, but Im pretty sure lag is nonexistant. If you had your reciever decoding everything then youd never be concerned with lag.

The lag is commonly refered to as lip sync problem.

Not exactly sure why it occurs, but many (most??) of the better HT receivers and pre-pros have adjustable compensation to fix it.

My guess is that when the audio and video take separate paths, and each is having some type of processing applied, the processing alters the timing of the separate paths. Thus, the sound and video can get slightly, but noticeably and annoyingly out of sync.

Hence, the "lip sync" adjustment...

[SpangleStomp]

my aim is DaSchwaby23

msn is tarheelspangle@hotmail.com or if u wanna flash chat later anyone wanting to help

[genojayhawk]

first off, i just want to say ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK ;)

I dont think youll get many people from here to chat or IM you.

IMHO Go for the basic 5.1 setup but get quality gear so you can expand in the future. Gotta start somewhere. is this a gaming dedicated system? or gamiong HT? or gaming HT music? how big is the room? any other details u can share would help. check your local craigslist for deals (but beware of scams!!!!!!)

[SpangleStomp]

im a fool for scams thats why i dont check craigslist

um

10 by 17 is the room

but i know people think "why do u want big speakers" i dont want huge, i want more tall skinny ones, and some will go on the wall like smaller ones

i dont know im a noob but say like call of duty 4 modern warfare i want it to sound real like it looks real, i dont know what u call that, its also a bedroom so movies and sports on tv will be involved but MOSTLY gameplay

and like 6 people chatted with me in flash last night ;)

[SpangleStomp]

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-Digital-7-1-Home-Theater-Receiver-Black-SAXR57K/sem/rpsm/oid/152819/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do


would that work, watts etc, and 7.1? and good brand?

[baldieman]

lip sync probs are generally caused by one of 2 probs,

1/ poorly copied pirated disks. if you got all the latest releases "at a bargain price" in bali... well thats your own fault... remember this when talking about audio
you got it cheap?- youre gonna pay for it.

2/ some screens/projectors have video processing that causes a slight delay between when the signal is sent to the screen, and when it is actually displayed. any half decent surround reciever should have compensation for this.

also mind you, if you want a theatre system thats even goona sound reasonable.. you gotta spend bucks. if a decent 2 ch analog 100w x 2 is gonna cost say 500 then a equivalent theatre amp is gonna cost a lot more because you have 5 channels ( minimum) instead of 2. thats 2.5 times more output amplifier and power supply than the humble 2 ch amp.. thats already 1250 worth. then you have video processing/switching. then the royalties for dolby dig and dts decoding that need to be payed to lucasfilm, etc etc... so how much do you really need to spend??

at the end of the day to get a similar result from a theatre system as you would get from a $2000 2 ch system, you can expect to pay a minimum of $5000. proably more..

[SpangleStomp]

well some things can be used as i talked with crackerkorean

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i need 7.1 surround, and the receiver and sub i think are the main, i just dont know many good subs that will last

this just has to last 2-3 years and be nice then ill upgrade to a couple K system, but for now I just need a smaller one that will still be amazing for sports, and gameplay, its a 10 by 17 room so 10 speakers i wont need

with a sub i could have up to 6-7 speakers and it would work, we thought 5 would be enough not counting the sub so 6 items

so i need a new/used or both with

a 7.1 receiver thats worth it
5 speakers at least
and a sub, can be used as said and some new, under 800$ or around there

[genojayhawk]

Onkyo HT-SR800 Home Theater System

would this unit work?
its 7.1 and aroud $500

[SpangleStomp]

yea, but i was told to go separate because, i can upgrade in the future

[genojayhawk]

youll most likely be buying used gear since going the seperate route is more expensive. plus it will always be a work in progress.
if you were to go seperates, IMHO find a really good 2 channel system and do without the surround.

[SpangleStomp]

i kinda want surround, because of game play, just seems like its more what im looking for

[crackerkorean]

Like I was saying in chat if you want to stick to a budget definetly look used.
Brands like NAD, Sherwood Newcastle, heck even pioneer elite and marantz would work.

You dont need 7.1, 5.1 will work and most newer receivers can matrix 7 channels. The sub would add a whole lot but a good one will cost a decent bit of your used budget even used.

Speaker wise, I would like a PSB (alpha), paradigm, and possibly infinity. I would look through ebay, craigslist and local stereo shops. Even if they are two hours away. They can really help you out.

With the budget it will be doable, you just have to keep and keen eye out and maybe even make some sacrifices to get something better. (maybe decent bookshelf all the way around but you will lack bass, good speakers but an only ok receiver.)

[SpangleStomp]

i have looked at infinity and liked it

its not so much the bass

watching baseball, basketball, football, movies, and playing a war game i wont need THAT much bass, just nice sound, thats it, so lets help me out pm if u want ;)

i thought id need 7.1 since thats what ps3 is, maybe i was wrong :( noob i am

[crackerkorean]

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=252-100
Sherwood receiver, decent price and a starting point.

[Face]

For a 10x17 room, go with 5.1. The room isn't long enough to warrant 7.1.

Onkyo makes a decent HT in a box.

[SpangleStomp]

well see i have it set up 2 speakers by the tv, sub right by the desk where the tv is on, 1 speaker on each side of the couch, so thats 4 +the sub, but maybe i might go 5 speakers, so maybe just depends

[crackerkorean]

When it comes to surround the signals are 5.1 the 5th speaker that you are missing is the center which is there alot of dialog comes from.

What kind of speakers do you have right now? You can get a receiver and a center channel and start with that and slowly upgrade the speakers as time goes. And for your budget you can get a decent center and receiver to start.

[SpangleStomp]

well actually a certain member (bleep not to break rules) has some speakers and a center channel

ill be getting the receiver

but with only 1 HDMI input AND output, would a ps3, surround sound, and tv would that 1 input and output be enough?

so right now i need a sub which I have covered, if that 1 will work then receiver is covered, and then its just speakers and a center channel and ill have about 150 to upgrade, maybe get 2 extra speaks or upgrade something

if u still want to put something together then let me know

but i might pm what the package will look like if its cool, I need to talk to u later

[SpangleStomp]

really though with just tv, ps3, and surround sound to plug in

would a receiver with 1 HDMI input and output work?

[SpangleStomp]

right now it looks like we are set if the speakers fall through good

and now i know flat panel or especially speaker towers (2) is what im looking for

[crackerkorean]

How many inputs will you have with your surround?
PS3, DVD, HD Cable Box?

Output would be easy though, from the receiver to the TV. I dont even bother with the speakers on my TV the surround is always on.

[SpangleStomp]

just ps3, MAYBE DVD, big maybe

and no HD cable box yet, maybe in a month or so, so will i want more input then i guess?

[RadShak1251]

When it comes to surround the signals are 5.1 the 5th speaker that you are missing is the center which is there alot of dialog comes from.He won't need a center channel speaker if he programs the receiver for phantom center mode i.e. choose "no center" in the speaker set up menu. Then the center signal will be re-directed to the front left/right mains. I've never seen a multichannel receiver without that option.

[yeehaw]

Im running Accusound OM650's (120 watt all round with 120 watt powered sub) with a Kenwood KRF-V5100D (capable of 7.1) connected with optic fibre in a 7mtr x 6 mtr room and would thoroughly recommend this setup.

Im running 5.1 .....like the others have said u dont need 7.1

Accusound are a High quality Australian Speaker.

Got whole package on special at harvey norman for $850.00.......rrp for speakers alone is 1299.00



Have a look at em @

www.accusound.com.au

Cheers!!

[jmoorez2001]

hmmmm seams like ck is leading u in the right direction but ur not paying any attention to it do like i did start with a ht reciever of 5.1 6.1 or even a 7.1 and some decient main ( front left, center and front rigth speakers and build up from there with the surounds that u like as its what i did look at ur local pawn shops for small cube speakers for surrond speaker slike i did then when u get the money for something bigger and u like them sell the smaller cube speakers to her aid in buying the bigger set my room is like 14'x20' with a 6.1 system and its not bad for the price i have in my system ahem a mear 1800 but as others have noted it can get very exspive if u go with separets for sure as that is what i want to do in the near future