Moving away from vintage! EEK!

[RaymondLeggs]

Unfortunately I think I am moving away from vintage. Not really voluntarily but the fact that most of the "Vintage" stuff I do own is very valuable anyway. But Being that most smaller vintage receivers would over work themselves and possibly blow out powering 88Db speakers is one reason. I was really trying to find a nice 80's receiver or integrated but seince such a search would be in vain I decided maybe I am missing out buy crossing off newer and 1990's gear.

I realld did want to have a seperate 80's-90's A/V setup with all 80's and 90's video and audio components and such, but i decided my HTIB is enough for movies and the 1980's 90's cassette decks Eq's and receivers were good enough for my 2-channel rig. I highly doubt any of my vintage receivers would drive the new speakers I own without blowing the dome tweeters seince they are only 15 watts per-channel.

Maybe someday I'll come across one of the early 1990-1985 AVR's and use one of those but, I just can't exclude new gearbecause I have a pre-conceived notion of Overheating receivers, Empty cases, Loss of warmth,Cracking faceplates buttons that get pressed in and, the way modern stuff looks.

I will have to say that a lot of receiver's looks havent changed much seince the 8o's

Right now in my setup there is.

Kenwood 103AR -1999
JVC KDV-22 cassette -1985
Realistic EQ-1980
Sharp CDP-1991
KLH TNE-1980?

Sony speakers-2008

And soon to be a tuntable-

[Tedrick]

:lurk:

[vinyldavid]

Sony STR-AV1070. 120 or so wpc, ton of inputs, everything you'd ever need.

Cheap, too.....

[nukeme]

Good luck.

[techsui]

Are you saying your moving away from vintage gear, but you don't like new stuff?

[avguytx]

Some of the most oddball left-field topics I've ever seen.......

[Art K.]

Most vintage receivers and any that I've owned will easily drive 88db sensitive speakers without breaking a sweat...don't understand your concerns.

[hypertone]

Newer amps do a better job at driving 88dB speakers? I don't understand. :confused:

[RayW]

Newer amps do a better job at driving 88dB speakers? I don't understand. :confused:

Welcome to the "what the heck did Raymond say?" club. T-shirts are backordered.

Ray

[MarkAnderson]

XL please, Ray.

[vinyldavid]

Welcome to the "what the heck did Raymond say?" club. T-shirts are backordered.

Ray

I need XXL.

[Lady Ayeka]

if you're moving to newer amplification,go no further than the 1990 PIONEER VSX-D1S. it is one of the most well made "BPC era" receivers one could ever hope to find and it can drive just about anything, too.:music:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/VSX-D1SMaho1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/shaorin-chan/vsxd1s.jpg

[stuwee]

Welcome to the "what the heck did Raymond say?" club. T-shirts are backordered.

Ray

Put me on that list and Ray, I'd really like to have an autograph on it, I'll trade for a mint I ran into Tammie Faye at the mall t-shirt, which is worth like a zillion $$$$ I'd be proud to wear it and answer all questions!!

Craig

[Web Police]

You got the EEK! part right. :scratch2: :D

[RaymondLeggs]

So your saying that the superscope and masterwork receivers will drive the speakers pretty good?

If so then the superscope is going back on the rack 88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it.

I didnt say I was going into BPC or nothing although a more powerful receiver like the kenwood wakes the speakers up more but I was going by the speaker manual which states

"Low watt amplifiers and receivers may introduce distortion which may BLOW the dome tweeter"

[vinyldavid]

So your saying that the superscope and masterwork receivers will drive the speakers pretty good?

If so then the superscope is going back on the rack 88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it.

I didnt say I was going into BPC or nothing although a more powerful receiver like the kenwood wakes the speakers up more but I was going by the speaker manual which states

"Low watt amplifiers and receivers may introduce distortion which may BLOW the dome tweeter"

How about getting a DECENT vintage receiver-Pioneer SX-780 is a very good choice here, same with an Onkyo TX-4500mk1- for very low bucks and seeing what vintage can REALLY do?

I am saying that what you have to compare with modern junk is old is junk, and before buying BPC (although not all black stuff is BPC), look at what is out there. I can assure you that you will be amazed at the sound that you get.

[Art K.]

So your saying that the superscope and masterwork receivers will drive the speakers pretty good?

If so then the superscope is going back on the rack 88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it.

I didnt say I was going into BPC or nothing although a more powerful receiver like the kenwood wakes the speakers up more but I was going by the speaker manual which states

"Low watt amplifiers and receivers may introduce distortion which may BLOW the dome tweeter"

Most of the bottom of the line stuff you've been collecting won't even drive Miss daisy...Stuff that will drive nearly everything = I'm talkin' about low end Sansui, Kenwood, Pioneer, Yamaha, Marantz and all of the others I left off here. No a 5 watt per channel Superscope (who's power ratings were probably pumped up even then) won't power a good set of any speakers...sell the bottom feeders and buy a Sansui 6060...feel the power man!!!!!!

[Eric Clark]

88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it.

90-3=88?

Now I am really lost.

Ray, give me a small.

[RaymondLeggs]

I'd love to have an onkyo or a mid-powered marantz.

I did see a monster sansui at a pawn shop but it did not work, me and the owner had a half hour conversation about how cool vintage audio was. :music: :D

I wouldn't say the superscope isn't a decent receiver seince its basicly a marantz 2220B with a differnt oriented/shaped tuning knob and a different back panel orientation, the amplifier section faceplate and tuning scale are exacly the same almost.

I really don't think the 1990's kenwood 103AR is really BPC, It sounds not too different than the superscope just with more reserve power to the speakers .

[RaymondLeggs]

[QUOTE=RaymondLeggs;1808001] 88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it. [QUOTE]

90-3=88?

Now I am really lost.

Ray, give me a small.

I meant 2Db. LOL :thumbsdn:

[Art K.]

Move up the ladder a bit RL if you want to drive the speakers you say you need to drive.

I owned a 2220B way back when and loved it...it replaced a Superscope...in 1974 (or so).

[vinyldavid]

I'd love to have an onkyo or a mid-powered marantz.

I did see a monster sansui at a pawn shop but it did not work, me and the owner had a half hour conversation about how cool vintage audio was. :music: :D

I wouldn't say the superscope isn't a decent receiver seince its basicly a marantz 2220B with a differnt oriented/shaped tuning knob and a different back panel orientation, the amplifier section faceplate and tuning scale are exacly the same almost.

I really don't think the 1990's kenwood 103AR is really BPC, It sounds not too different than the superscope just with more reserve power to the speakers .

Well, in that case, I am not saying that the Superscope is a BAD receiver, if it really is what you say it is, a rebadged marantz. I'd love to see the guts of that compared to the guts of a 2220B. Then, if it is, then it is just too low power for you. I stand by my earlier recommendation. I assume that you can buy off ebay, right?

Search for Pioneer, and almost ANY of the x50 and x80 series of receivers will do you right, like the 880 and 750.....I'd avoid numbers lower than 6 (650, 680), though, as it seems that you like power.

[Eric Clark]

Search for Pioneer, and almost ANY of the x50 and x80 series of receivers will do you right, like the 880 and 750.....I'd avoid numbers lower than 6 (650, 680), though, as it seems that you like power.

At 800 or above the build quality really takes a jump.

Rather then having several piles of junk why not save up and buy a piece an AK member is selling? Merrylander has a nice Yamaha integrated for sale, almost everything I own has been serviced by him.

[Switchblade]

Superscopes are great receivers and I have two. Made by Marantz, a lot of the guts are the exact same parts as in the 2220. Superscopes only limiting factor is the power ratings won't blow any speakers. The highest rated I've seen is 40 watts. My Superscope R-350 is around 30 watts and sounds great mated to some Onkyo towers. Stick with it until you can save enough for another decent receiver that will put out some more power.

[reggaenaut]

Get yourself a JVC Jr-S400 receiver. It has pretty decent tuner, a meaningful equaliser, and an amp with lots of low end grunt, 85 true watts/ch, and to top it all it usually costs peanuts.

[BroonsBane]

Round and round the mulberry bush...

[Strawman]

If so then the superscope is going back on the rack 88Db is only 3Db less than 90Db when I think about it.


Please tell me that you're not Pre-med.

[doucanoe]

My head just burst into flames. XL for me please.

RC

[jaymanaa]

This is just silly, XL Ray.

[Mystic]

...I assume that you can buy off ebay, right?..

Maybe, if ebay's reach is beyond this planet.

[KeninDC]

Ray, give me a small.

Dude - that's gonna be obscenely tight.

[djv8ga]

I want a XL with the print on the back.
Thanks!

[jerrymrc]

I'm in for one XL.:smoke:

P.S. Lady Ayeka. I do have to say that remote is a nice one. I even bought a replacement for $125 about ten years ago.

We now return to the small soap dish chronicles. :scratch2:

[goldear]

:saywhat: Mark me down for an XL, Ray.

[Art K.]

I'm a big fella, Ill take a 3x...a little room to grow...

[titanstats]

I'm an XL as well. I'll take two, please.

[wajobu]

Just get a Yamaha B-2 and end it (or, if on a tighter budget a CA-810).

[Fisher-Dave]

I dunno why I'm saying this as it'll prolly go in one ear and out the other. If you wanna getta feel of vintage on a budget, watch that site the rest of the world uses to find things. I seen a Fisher RS-1058 end at 25.00 with ZERO bids and is a fine receiver.It is 90 wpc,has a decent tuner,good selection of inputs,outputs,speaker outs,and most of all...IT EVEN LOOKS LIKE SOUNDESIGN. After that knocks your socks off,you'll have a basic idea what other models of vintage sound like with way more power than it has to offer.

[VinylHanger]

Just buy anything even resembling something that we have been trying in vain to advise you on for the last six months or so and it will be fine. Then post about how you finally have seen the light and it really does make a difference to have quality over quantity..... especially when it is a quantity of crap, all that does is stink up the place.

As for the Superscope stuff, it isn't utter crap, and even has a few nice points, but there is better. Fine for a bedroom system, or a starter system, but you should move up the food chain if you want to get serious. Please get serious.

[caddisgeek]

Put me down for a size Large, motivation for weight loss

[Justen]

Please get serious.

Or leave.

[pbda]

Will work for Brussels Sprouts.

[Redboy]

ray i wll traid you a reely nice Rollex wach for to mideum tshits when my mrceedes benzis outof thee shpo

[SPL db]

Got any caps instead of shirts?

If so, I'll take one please...

Scott

[Eric Clark]

Dude - that's gonna be obscenely tight.

Are you calling me fat?

[pbda]

ray i wll traid you a reely nice Rollex wach for to mideum tshits when my mrceedes benzis outof thee shpo

Here we go again! :banana:

[motorstereo]

Please tell me that you're not Pre-med.

I needed a good laugh this morning. On the other hand it is scary when you think about it though. Would you want this man doing your vasectomy?

[RayW]

Got any caps instead of shirts?

If so, I'll take one please...

Scott

Scott needs a recap! :D

Ray (the other one)

[cableguy]

http://withoutwords.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/devilhead-idiot.jpg

[SPL db]

Scott needs a recap! :D

Well... I am vintage! :D

Scott

[opt80]

T-Shirts are a good idea.

Raymond,we have been through this a hundred times,the guys have given you superb advice on what to buy. I am closing this thread.