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caddisgeek 05-08-2008, 06:56 AM We've all said it "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff", but who's highest highs has had equally high lows? The 'Stones come to mind, considering that they "were" the greatest rock'n'roll band on earth, but while their new stuff for the most part is just plain old crap, its been a gradual decline for about 35 years
The Stooges probably wont destroy their status of legends with last years diabolically bad "The Weirdness", mostly because nobody heard it
Lou Reed, a definite contender
David Bowie dosent matter what shit he releases, he's still the coolest man in rock, and he keeps you guessing "maybe the next one will be good, not Hunky Dory, good, but still good"
Micheal Jackson - enough said
Leaves me to my conclusion............
Stevie Wonder. I love everything he did up until "Songs in the Key of Life"
now he's just plain embaressing, makes it hard to sell to people not around in the early 70's nah really Stevies cool, "I Just Called to Say I Love You?" yeah right
Your thoughts?
d-ray657 05-08-2008, 07:15 AM One of the easy ones: Rod Stewart. He belted blues with Jeff Beck and really rocked with Faces, but then disco damnation. The Bee Gees suffered the same fate. Maybe later I can think of some that aren't quite as obvious.
Regards,
D-Ray
d-ray657 05-08-2008, 07:19 AM Stevie Wonder. I love everything he did up until "Songs in the Key of Life"
now he's just plain embaressing, makes it hard to sell to people not around in the early 70's nah really Stevies cool, "I Just Called to Say I Love You?" yeah right
Don't forget that Paul McCartney fell into that vat of syrup as well: "Ebony and Ivory" I get high blood sugar just thinking about it.
Regards,
D-Ray
WilCruiser 05-08-2008, 07:31 AM Anyone doing commercials now to get a few bucks off their past glory has to be considered even if they don't make the final cut. Recent examples include Frampton & Meatloaf.
Clapton may be an exception to that, has still put out some reasonably good content in the last decade IMO. At least he did beer, which fits the genre.
arrow 68 05-08-2008, 10:16 AM One of the easy ones: Rod Stewart. He belted blues with Jeff Beck and really rocked with Faces, but then disco damnation. The Bee Gees suffered the same fate. Maybe later I can think of some that aren't quite as obvious.
Regards,
D-Ray
I second this post. A whole generation has forgotten about the Faces. Maybe two.
The Stones were done after Tattoo You.
There is so much to listen to that I have moved away from mainstream music.
ablethevoice 05-08-2008, 10:22 AM Anyone doing commercials now to get a few bucks off their past glory has to be considered even if they don't make the final cut. Recent examples include Frampton & Meatloaf.
AAARRGGHH!!
YES!
When I heard Zep's seminal metal anthem "Rock 'n Roll" being used to sell Cadillacs, I knew this was the end of civilization as it was...
If ELP, Yes or Rush ever sell out, I think I'll just take my shoes off, hose down a concrete slab and grab hold of the B+ line in my old Hammarlund 145X.
jeffsab 05-08-2008, 10:26 AM Metallica. The heaviest of metal bands peaked in 1989 and have now become a parody of themselves. Completely sold out.
similost 05-08-2008, 10:31 AM I second and third Metallica.. they used to be bad ass.. like Garage Days Revisited... they used to want people to pass around recordings so they would gain popularity... then they became egotistical ass holes, and shot their selves in the foot.. along with their music going to shit at the same time..
Rotoplooker 05-08-2008, 12:27 PM Billy Joel & Elton John. Really, who cares anymore.
Joel was great up to about 1980 and Elton lost me after about 1975.
Rat44 05-08-2008, 02:37 PM Where are Ted Nugent and Aerosmith?
Are they still around?
Lady Ayeka 05-08-2008, 02:59 PM Little River Band. they ain't the hit factory they were in the '70s and 80's, and their lead singer has been madly in love with himself as of late...:nono::thumbsdn::nono::thumbsdn:
pmsummer 05-08-2008, 03:08 PM The Rolling Stones.
Simply by staying together, they have become a parody of who they started out to be.
racerchick21 05-08-2008, 03:11 PM Where are Ted Nugent and Aerosmith?
Are they still around?
The Motor City Madman is still around and rockin' your a** off, he's coming this way in summer, still trying to talk DH into attending.
I 4th Metallica, seen them several times in the early 80's, gone down since they started doing songs you could play on the radio. Also, the Cars, Candy-O and Panorama are good, then it all started to sound the MTV same.:no:
Rat44 05-08-2008, 03:22 PM Just seen the Meat Loaf ad.
Didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
Arkay 05-08-2008, 03:33 PM Billy Joel & Elton John. Really, who cares anymore.
Joel was great up to about 1980 and Elton lost me after about 1975.
I just recently had the early Elton John LP, the eponymous one with just his name and his face emerging from blackness on the cover, spinning on the TT. Most of it is just one voice with a piano, and sometimes some strings... and there is some EXCELLENT music there. First Episode at Hienton, Sixty Years On... The man was a real artist, a troubadour, a writer and balladeer of rare talent... and then came the pop-schlocky stuff of later years, stuff like "Don't Go Breakin' My Heart". Blech!!!
Agreed about Billy Joel, too: Piano Man was alright, but some of the later stuff... :no:
Anyone care to comment on the many faces and phases of BOB DYLAN ?! Talk about how far the once mighty have fallen!
jeffsab 05-08-2008, 03:56 PM Where are Ted Nugent and Aerosmith?
Are they still around?
Aerosmith is doing this:
http://www.guitarherogame.com/ghaerosmith/
Come to your own conclusion.
Zadok2112 05-08-2008, 05:17 PM So many to choose from it is sad. I detest groups touring that have not produced new material in decades.
targeteye 05-08-2008, 05:36 PM Lets see... "white rabbit" and "Somebody to love" to "we built this city" I can't think of a further fall than that.
opt80 05-08-2008, 05:38 PM Al Stewart
Geo. Jones
The Archies
i see they were already mentioned but i'llrestate
aerosmith
Fisherdude 05-08-2008, 06:16 PM Well, I'm not sure Carly Simon was ever in the top tier of musicianship when she was new, but since I'm still choking back bile from just listening to her brand new album...
I'm officially nominating it for "Worst Album of the Year--2008".
She wrote all the songs, and they're beyond bad. Embarrassingly bad. Cliche bad. One track is rap. Done by an old white woman. Older than me. With really bad rhymes.:no:
OvenMaster 05-08-2008, 06:18 PM The Archies
Spit take of the day! :lmao: Thanks, Alan!
Tom
caddisgeek 05-08-2008, 07:31 PM So many to choose from it is sad. I detest groups touring that have not produced new material in decades.
I just recently had the early Elton John LP, the eponymous one with just his name and his face emerging from blackness on the cover, spinning on the TT. Most of it is just one voice with a piano, and sometimes some strings... and there is some EXCELLENT music there. First Episode at Hienton, Sixty Years On... The man was a real artist, a troubadour, a writer and balladeer of rare talent... and then came the pop-schlocky stuff of later years, stuff like "Don't Go Breakin' My Heart". Blech!!!
Agreed about Billy Joel, too: Piano Man was alright, but some of the later stuff... :no:
Anyone care to comment on the many faces and phases of BOB DYLAN ?! Talk about how far the once mighty have fallen!
Thats what I'm talking about! Metallica, while once great and now crap are just that, CRAP, while others, Elton John, Stevie Wonder have almost destroyed any shred of credabilty they had with years of embarissing pus
baj81 05-08-2008, 08:54 PM Good ole Bob.........never made it past 1976 with him. He did desire and I never got into anything he did past that. Highway 61 Revisited is still my favorite.
Saint Johnny 05-08-2008, 09:43 PM Don't forget that Paul McCartney fell into that vat of syrup as well: "Ebony and Ivory" I get high blood sugar just thinking about it.
Regards,
D-Ray
Ya know, if you play "Silly Love Songs" backwards, you can hear Paul saying, "I wish I was dead...I wish I was dead." :D
Saint Johnny 05-08-2008, 09:48 PM While some would argue KISS was never "artistically credible" in the first place, the fact that Simmons deems it necessary to put the KISS logo on coffins, et al.
Shows how truly low the (arguably) once mighty can theoretically fall.
MikeCh 05-08-2008, 09:52 PM The Police thru the Sting efforts. The first two Police albums were their pinnacle imo and their other albums + Sting's later efforts took them two or three times the opposite direction....again, imo.
edit: I guess these are two distinct "bands" though....
wianieq 05-08-2008, 10:00 PM Good ole Bob.........never made it past 1976 with him. He did desire and I never got into anything he did past that. Highway 61 Revisited is still my favorite.
While I agree that Dylan hasn't been what he used to be for quite a while, the last three or so albums have been better than moderatley good, IMO.
World Gone Wrong from the wasteland of his late 80's early 90's era, 92' I think, was an album I just stumbled upon. It can hold its own with some of his early stuff. Just him and guitar, though, I think it might be all covers of old blues/folk standards so it might not be able to count.
I could throw Paul Westerberg on this list.
ruffian 05-08-2008, 10:10 PM Although I was never much into him, Bon Jovi has gotten pretty bad IMHO.
Cosmic 05-08-2008, 10:30 PM Dylan as an artist I am ok with; his recent albums are quite enjoyable, with the understanding that he'll never hit the stratosphere like he did in the 60es again, but good music in today's teen wasteland.
It's his DJ'ing stint on digital radio that I don't get; the idea of that really makes me look for a rope and a beam.
Clapton brings out my split personality: on one hand, I see him as the 'British Millionaire with A Thousand Guitars still riffing Ol' Southern Blues' for people who never heard the originals, and on the other hand, I still sit back and tap my toes when he plays what is still some of the best easy-listening slide work around.
Meat Loaf wins a special award in this category. It isn't like there wasn't plenty of irony in 'Bat out of Hell' and the like, but the stuff had its own over-the-top integrity. Plus it rocked. Hard.
But to see the man who wailed about sex in the car and paradise by the dashboard light being the MC of a Republican fundraiser....you don't need new music to fall further than that :sigh:
C.
Art K. 05-08-2008, 10:46 PM Well, I'm not sure Carly Simon was ever in the top tier of musicianship when she was new, but since I'm still choking back bile from just listening to her brand new album...
I'm officially nominating it for "Worst Album of the Year--2008".
She wrote all the songs, and they're beyond bad. Embarrassingly bad. Cliche bad. One track is rap. Done by an old white woman. Older than me. With really bad rhymes.:no:
I have her "best of" and you can hear her downhill slide...most of it is good...until you get to the ones with the drum machines and all that awful crap, every unoriginal musical cliche is then hers to explore. Same with Roberta Flack.
opt80 05-08-2008, 10:55 PM Tom,you are welcome!
Alan
Mr. Lin 05-08-2008, 11:27 PM David Bowie dosent matter what shit he releases, he's still the coolest man in rock, and he keeps you guessing "maybe the next one will be good, not Hunky Dory, good, but still good"
I actually think some of Bowie's more recent albums are among his best. Heathen is one of my absolute favorite Bowie albums.
caddisgeek 05-08-2008, 11:59 PM I actually think some of Bowie's more recent albums are among his best. Heathen is one of my absolute favorite Bowie albums.
THats what I mena about Bowie, and I didn't nominate him, I havent bought anything new from in since 1999's The Hours. The 1st (and only) single off that was"the pretty things are going to hell" and it was awesome, I bought the CD on the strength of that track and was bitterly dissapointed. Maybe I should be on the lookout for Heathen
I could pretty much forgive Dave anything
grillebilly 05-09-2008, 05:25 PM I know I am going to get a load for this, but Phil Collins got too commercial and predictable. Like The Eagles there was little feeling (read soul) in the music. I must be in the minority in both cases due to their popularity.
caddisgeek 05-09-2008, 06:29 PM I know I am going to get a load for this, but Phil Collins got too commercial and predictable. Like The Eagles there was little feeling (read soul) in the music. I must be in the minority in both cases due to their popularity.
I think most people will be with you Billy, not to pick on Bowie again, but Lets Dance was his most commercially successful album, most would agree it's not a patch on Hunky Dory, Rise and Fall, Low etal
Commercial success and artistic credability rarely go hand in hand
Mr. Lin 05-10-2008, 12:06 AM THats what I mena about Bowie, and I didn't nominate him, I havent bought anything new from in since 1999's The Hours. The 1st (and only) single off that was"the pretty things are going to hell" and it was awesome, I bought the CD on the strength of that track and was bitterly dissapointed. Maybe I should be on the lookout for Heathen
I could pretty much forgive Dave anything
Yeah, Hours is actually a really weak album IMHO. Check out Heathen and Reality.
ampegdan 05-10-2008, 11:56 AM While I agree that Dylan hasn't been what he used to be for quite a while, the last three or so albums have been better than moderatley good, IMO.
World Gone Wrong from the wasteland of his late 80's early 90's era, 92' I think, was an album I just stumbled upon. It can hold its own with some of his early stuff. Just him and guitar, though, I think it might be all covers of old blues/folk standards so it might not be able to count.
I could throw Paul Westerberg on this list.
Westerberg is a survivor. Nobody ever said rock had a great retirement plan.
SPL db 05-10-2008, 12:03 PM Micheal Jackson - enough said
Game over... :screwy:
Scott
abpeep 05-10-2008, 12:07 PM After listening to Loggins and Messina's On Stage lp over the last few days, I have to throw Kenny Loggins into this category.
His work with Jim Messina and a few others was great - Footloose sucked.
Alan
sauuuuuce 05-10-2008, 12:15 PM This was always a touchy topic with me. People can't put out the same album over and over. So they have to try something new and different when works...everybody has the attitude of "well yeah they are fill in the blank." But when it doesn't........let the trash talk and sellout bitching start. Give'em a break. We are hard people to please.
mhardy6647 05-10-2008, 12:26 PM Nobody ever said rock had a great retirement plan.
Yeah, lookit the Rolling Stones.
electronjohn 05-10-2008, 02:06 PM Have to second the Stones...at one time I was a devoted hardcore fan...wore out 3 copies of "Let It Bleed". Now? It's all about the $$$$ (like they need any more) Dylan? I really like "Love & Theft" and "Modern Times" "Modern Times", in particular, has a real "tube-type" sound goin' on. And Bob's radio show is cooool...his raps between the music are poetic...almost like you're hangin' at his house and he's spinnin' stuff from his collection for you. "Madman Across The Water" was the end of the line for Unca Elton.
caddisgeek 05-10-2008, 08:26 PM This was always a touchy topic with me. People can't put out the same album over and over. So they have to try something new and different when works...everybody has the attitude of "well yeah they are fill in the blank." But when it doesn't........let the trash talk and sellout bitching start. Give'em a break. We are hard people to please.
Not really what I was getting at, I dont mind when people head off in different directions and make different music (Neil Young "Trans" for example, not my cup of tea, but good on hime for having a go). But when "artists" become lazy, and release garbage for the sake of releaseing it I get a bit dissapointed. Not angry, not bitchy, they owe me nothing
But I do hear what you are saying saaauuuce, this was never intended as a trash talk thread, I mentioned some of my all time faves in the OP
hypertone 05-10-2008, 08:37 PM No doubt Ozzy. Time to retire dude.
Susurus 05-10-2008, 10:42 PM Same thing happened to our vintage gear makers.
Rampant success breeds complacency, laziness, sellout, drug O.D.'s, stagnation or worse--easy listening.:D
Exceptions when an artist simply explores, and succeeds, in other genres. That takes real talent, always rare. Bowie? King of self-reinvention. From Pop to real jazz? Joe Jackson. Jethro Tull for a while reverted to rock after the fanciful Tales From The Wood.
Bowie peaked at Diamond Dogs. IMHtwistedO.
Yes finally lost it at Tormato, following the sideways refreshing, but soulless, CD-technology demo disc 90125.
The Buggles peaked at Adventures in Modern Recording. The Roches?
But...I don't actually fault Elton John for The Lion King. But I prefer his performance as the surreally disproportunate Pinball Wizard in the movie Tommy (1975)...
I just got Infinity 2000A e-stat hybrids from 1969-70. Why would I want post-1990 Infinity's?
Elfasto 05-10-2008, 10:53 PM Melissa Etheridge.
First album awesome, 2nd one alright, 3rd one okay, 4th okay, 5th wasn't bad....then down down down.
Ausjoe 05-10-2008, 10:55 PM When you reach the top there's only on direction left!
NAD613 05-11-2008, 02:19 AM Agreed about Billy Joel, too: Piano Man was alright, but some of the later stuff... :no:
Billy Joel's "Turnstiles" (1976), "The Stranger" (1977), & "52nd Street" (1978) are all excellent albums & may be the best 3 albums any solo artist has released back-to-back-to-back, at least since 1975. That was his artistic peak IMHO.
dvdchance 05-11-2008, 09:04 AM Billy Joel's "Turnstiles" (1976), "The Stranger" (1977), & "52nd Street" (1978) are all excellent albums & may be the best 3 albums any solo artist has released back-to-back-to-back, at least since 1975. That was his artistic peak IMHO.
I don't know about "Turnstiles" since I've never heard it completely, but I perhaps agree with your 3 best back to back to back sentiment but would start with "The Stranger" and conclude with "Glass Houses."
IMHO "Glass Houses" might be his second best LP besides "Stranger" It really has to me some of his best songs, "It's only rock and roll" really sounds great on a good system.
Neil Diamond has really taken a plunge way off the deep end, and someone briefly mentioned The Eagles and I second that totally. Especially with the Wal-mart only distributation of their last album.
Perhaps the Allman Brothers also need a mention here, but so few members are original it's like a different band.
Earlsays 05-11-2008, 10:41 AM Commander Cody...not really his fault, rock & roll lifestyle isn't kind, bad car accidents mess you up, and so on...when all the original band members have reunited in the past, it's still pretty good...but the current band? eh...not bad, but they need to spice up their setlist a bit...that said, I'll attend every single one of his shows that I possibly can, because he's a really friendly dude, truely a good guy...and I have to respect him for getting out there and doing it as good as he does at age 64. Certainly can still play boogie piano with the best of 'em...vocals arent really his strong point outside of talking songs, never where, he even acknowleges this, if he'd get somebody to do lead vocals on stuff i.e. like some of the previous incarnations of the band, it might be better...would certainly take some stress off his shoulders, however, that said, I'm happy with what I can get, since I "missed out" on the heyday.
A tie between two bands I used to love, Metallica and Red Hot Chili Peppers. The Chili Peppers disgust me these days, and Metallica with their "Load" of shit.:thumbsdn:
ShaneC 05-12-2008, 08:05 AM A tie between two bands I used to love, Metallica and Red Hot Chili Peppers. The Chili Peppers disgust me these days, and Metallica with their "Load" of shit.:thumbsdn:
I disagree with you on the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Granted, I prefer their older stuff to the newer, but I don't think they've gone down hill as far as some of the other mentioned.
Personally, one of my biggest gripes for more recent years is Gwen Steffani. Never a fan persay, but her work with No Doubt had a decent sound...her solo stuff is just more pop garbage marketed to compete with other pop garbage....dare I say, she's the Metallica of the pop world.
Elton John is another that upsets me. He could rock a piano, and now everything seems like sappy tracks made for Disney movies. :(
Quint 05-12-2008, 09:26 AM I definitely agree with Rod Stewart. Once Clive Davis got a hold of him, I knew trouble was brewing and that he would likely go the oldies route. It’s worked for so many fading stars that it was a pretty obvious direction to go. And ‘ol Clive was right; Rod sold bazillions of those Great American Songbook albums—despite the fact that they had less spine than yer average jellyfish. :boring: He tried to regain his rock & roll credibility with that awful covers album, but it was far too little and far too late. He may yet come up with a great one—I thought When We Were the New Boys was an excellent effort—but I’m not holding my breath.
Jack Lord 05-12-2008, 09:53 AM I say this all the time, but I guess I will say it again. Every band/artist has a proflic-peak period and then a slow fade.
There are some exceptions- Dylan comes to mind. His current stuff is not like his 60s peak, but is pretty good and for someone else would be considered superb.
The Stones are, of course, one of the best examples of this fade. They are just a nostaliga act now- like going to see the Temptations. But why is that? Lots of reasons. The Stones started out all living together in the same cramped flat in London. The hungry rock and roll life. Since the early 70s, they have all lived in multiple locations on different continents. They've been Jet Setters for a generation now- not the greatest artistic stimulus and certainly no way to preserve a cohesive unit.
They are a different band than the one that put out Let It Bleed. They are no longer hungry, are used to fame, have (multiple) families and simply do not have to work as hard. Everything has changed. Everything. So much so that its impossibe to conceive of them doing another Let It Bleed.
caddisgeek 05-12-2008, 07:27 PM So much so that its impossibe to conceive of them doing another Let It Bleed.
.
No one aint ever not gunna do another let it bleed
grillebilly 05-12-2008, 07:34 PM Commander Cody...not really his fault, rock & roll lifestyle isn't kind, bad car accidents mess you up, and so on...when all the original band members have reunited in the past, it's still pretty good...but the current band? eh...not bad, but they need to spice up their setlist a bit...that said, I'll attend every single one of his shows that I possibly can, because he's a really friendly dude, truely a good guy...and I have to respect him for getting out there and doing it as good as he does at age 64. Certainly can still play boogie piano with the best of 'em...vocals arent really his strong point outside of talking songs, never where, he even acknowleges this, if he'd get somebody to do lead vocals on stuff i.e. like some of the previous incarnations of the band, it might be better...would certainly take some stress off his shoulders, however, that said, I'm happy with what I can get, since I "missed out" on the heyday.
His guitar player, Bill Kirchen, is really tearing up the Washington DC area with his brand of Rockin' roots music. He was Grammy nominated for "Best Country Instrumental" a few years ago but got beat by Ricky Skaggs (popularity contest). CC played on the first NRPS album, with Garcia, great record.
vinyldavid 05-12-2008, 08:38 PM OK....not to piss anyone off.....
Rush
Rolling Stones
Elton John
Metallica
Joni Mitchell
Neil Diamond
Paul McCartney
that's my basic list......
pmsummer 05-12-2008, 08:45 PM OK....not to piss anyone off.....
Rush
Rolling Stones
Elton John
Metallica
Joni Mitchell
Neil Diamond
Paul McCartney
that's my basic list......
Can't disagree too much, except that some on your list didn't have very far to fall in the first place.
But I will disagree on Joni Mitchell. I'm not a big fan of hers, but her output has remained high quality, and she has matured pretty gracefully.
Saint Johnny 05-13-2008, 12:02 AM Can't disagree too much, except that some on your list didn't have very far to fall in the first place.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
There are so many mentioned in this thread that I agree with. Yes, the Stones are a nostalgia act at this point. But off the top of my head, I think Rod Stewart may be the one who has fallen the furthest.
vinyldavid 05-13-2008, 12:05 AM Can't disagree too much, except that some on your list didn't have very far to fall in the first place.
But I will disagree on Joni Mitchell. I'm not a big fan of hers, but her output has remained high quality, and she has matured pretty gracefully.
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
I don't seem to enjoy her new stuff that I have heard.....I love the older stuff, though.
SkyLounger 05-13-2008, 12:16 AM OK....not to piss anyone off.....
Rush
Rolling Stones
Elton John
Metallica
Joni Mitchell
Neil Diamond
Paul McCartney
that's my basic list......
I almost agree with your list.... except for... (see my av)
vinyldavid 05-13-2008, 12:16 AM I almost agree with your list.... except for... (see my av)
I don't get it......
SkyLounger 05-13-2008, 12:24 AM look again... :D you were too quick to respond, didn't have time to change it!
HarryB 05-19-2008, 05:21 PM I actually saw vinyl copies of the new Eagles album in a record store. They wanted $20 for the album. I had thought they only released the album to Wal-Mart.
Harry
wineslob 05-19-2008, 05:44 PM Genesis, Wind and Wuthering was the beginning of the end.
Dylan? The dude's been face-down for YEARS, he CANT fall. :nono:
The worst for me is Van Morrison.
pmsummer 05-19-2008, 06:32 PM Phillip Glass
jonman 05-19-2008, 06:59 PM Elvis
pmsummer 05-19-2008, 07:15 PM Elvis
He only fell six feet. That ain't far.
Mr. Lin 05-19-2008, 10:37 PM Phillip Glass
Really? I haven't heard any of his later work, what's wrong with it?
pmsummer 05-20-2008, 06:29 AM Really? I haven't heard any of his later work, what's wrong with it?
He ran out of ideas and became formulaic. While his early work included music for films that featured the music as an equal partner (Koyannasquatsi), his latter work includes film soundtracks that could easily be mistaken for the musical sound-bites used in commercials (The Illusionist).
While other minimalist/serialist composers like Steve Reich, John Adams, and Terry Riley continue to push the creative envelope, Glass has settled into comfortable regurgitation.
IMHO.
Rotoplooker 05-20-2008, 09:45 AM I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that Bob Dylan has fallen the furthest...
I personally think Dylan is currently in fine form, has been more relevant than he has been since possibly the 70's and his last few albums have been spectacular. Granted, he has certainly slumped for periods in his career-namely most of the 80's-but his new music is exceptional. I saw him in the 80's and I'll admit he was everything that people love to hate about Dylan...mumbling, sloppy, disinterested, etc. I saw him again a couple of years ago and he was amazing. Charming, musical, coherent and articulate. But don't just take my word for it. Check the reviews on Rolling Stone, AMG, etc of his last few records, they're great.
Has he been consistent throughout his entire career? No. I suppose that happens to a lot of people having worked for 50 years.
Hey, I know, each to his own. But to me, sayin he's fallen to new lows, doesn't hold true.
Besides, in my humble opinion, artists like Dylan and Chuck Berry, etc have cart blanche cause they invented the stuff that ALL the bands you do like, constantly beg, borrow and steal from in order to give you what it is that you do like. These days, most "good" bands don't have an original thought to start with and those that do, dry up after a record or two.
I only mention this to those that probably stopped following his career a while back and have not heard anything from him lately. To those, I say check out: "Time out of mind", "Love and theft" or the absolutely georgous "Modern Times" (which is stunning on Vinyl)
jazzwolf 05-20-2008, 09:53 AM I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that Bob Dylan has fallen the furthest...
I personally think Dylan is currently in fine form, has been more relevant than he has been since possibly the 70's and his last few albums have been spectacular. Granted, he has certainly slumped for periods in his career-namely most of the 80's-but his new music is exceptional. I saw him in the 80's and I'll admit he was everything that people love to hate about Dylan...mumbling, sloppy, disinterested, etc. I saw him again a couple of years ago and he was amazing. Charming, musical, coherent and articulate. But don't just take my word for it. Check the reviews on Rolling Stone, AMG, etc of his last few records, they're great.
Has he been consistent throughout his entire career? No. I suppose that happens to a lot of people having worked for 50 years.
Hey, I know, each to his own. But to me, sayin he's fallen to new lows, doesn't hold true.
Besides, in my humble opinion, artists like Dylan and Chuck Berry, etc have cart blanche cause they invented the stuff that ALL the bands you do like, constantly beg, borrow and steal from in order to give you what it is that you do like. These days, most "good" bands don't have an original thought to start with and those that do, dry up after a record or two.
I only mention this to those that probably stopped following his career a while back and have not heard anything from him lately. To those, I say check out: "Time out of mind", "Love and theft" or the absolutely georgous "Modern Times" (which is stunning on Vinyl)
I agree totally with what you said. I actually think that Modern Times is one of the best LP's he's ever done. When it first came out I couldn't stop listening to it and the sound was fantastic and not as loud and compressed as most recent recordings are. It was a real reminder of what a great artist he is.
sleddogman 05-20-2008, 10:05 AM As much as it pains me to say, since both Keith and John have spun off this mortal coil, I'm beginning to think what's left of The Who is finally getting there.
The only saving grace is that compared to others of that era and in his age bracket (like Robert Plant) Roger Daltry still has the majority of his range and best rock 'n roll voice around. A tribute to the man who was once an Immortal on Highlander... :thmbsp:
It's also regrettable to see the detrimental effect that diabetes (and age) has taken on B.B. King's playing.
Jack Lord 05-20-2008, 10:54 AM It's also regrettable to see the detrimental effect that diabetes (and age) has taken on B.B. King's playing.
Problem with BB is that he just talks too much. Don't get me wrong. He is a very nice man and I do not mind a few stories as they are. But after a while it is kind of like the Disneyland Blues Review. Enjoyable, but I think he could do better.
Still if people have not seen him, now is the time. I saw him with Jeff Beck and when they jammed together, its one of the best things I have ever seen.
Sansui Louie 05-20-2008, 12:34 PM My quick list:
Stones
Rush
Sir Elton
Sir Paul
Queen (even before Freddie died)
Then there's a few that all suffered from the same thing, "One Member Becomes Famous And Releases Endless String of Sappy Schmaltzy Crapola and Ruins The Band Syndrome":
Chicago
The Doobie Bros
Journey
Styx
REO Speedwagon (there's a 3 inch fall for ya)
Genesis
arrow 68 05-20-2008, 01:31 PM I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that Bob Dylan has fallen the furthest...
I personally think Dylan is currently in fine form, has been more relevant than he has been since possibly the 70's and his last few albums have been spectacular. Granted, he has certainly slumped for periods in his career-namely most of the 80's-but his new music is exceptional. I saw him in the 80's and I'll admit he was everything that people love to hate about Dylan...mumbling, sloppy, disinterested, etc. I saw him again a couple of years ago and he was amazing. Charming, musical, coherent and articulate. But don't just take my word for it. Check the reviews on Rolling Stone, AMG, etc of his last few records, they're great.
Has he been consistent throughout his entire career? No. I suppose that happens to a lot of people having worked for 50 years.
Hey, I know, each to his own. But to me, sayin he's fallen to new lows, doesn't hold true.
Besides, in my humble opinion, artists like Dylan and Chuck Berry, etc have cart blanche cause they invented the stuff that ALL the bands you do like, constantly beg, borrow and steal from in order to give you what it is that you do like. These days, most "good" bands don't have an original thought to start with and those that do, dry up after a record or two.
I only mention this to those that probably stopped following his career a while back and have not heard anything from him lately. To those, I say check out: "Time out of mind", "Love and theft" or the absolutely georgous "Modern Times" (which is stunning on Vinyl)
Doesn't this some up most music from the last 30 years?
I posted in this thread, and I really think to consider most bands mentioned falling is silly. You can only be so creative so long. And in the corporate world we live in it shouldn't be expected. It's about making money, not making a good product. Keep it simple and the masses will follow.
Red Stick 05-20-2008, 01:49 PM Where are Ted Nugent and Aerosmith?
Are they still around?
My wife and I saw the Nuge last summer, at a small theatre (800 people maybe). It was great. Guitar, bass, and drum. Two hours of great music, and Ted managed to offend everyone, one way or another. :music:
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