Does anyone have an opinion on which pressing of this lp is best sounding? :scratch2:

My brother-in-law has a Nautilus Half-speed Mastered copy that sounds awfully nice.

Alan

I have the original Canadian Mushroom and my brother has a more recent Capitol reissue on 180g vinyl. Between the two, the Mushroom copy is superior in every way.

The original Mushroom is the one to have and not particularly hard to find.

Thanks guys for the help.:thmbsp:

The original Mushroom is the one to have and not particularly hard to find.

I agree with mhardy. I listen to the same one.:D

Celt recommended it too :-)

It was well-recognized, even when it was new, as a very good sounding rock album. The other Heart "album" (more of a contract thing) on Mushroom, Magazine also sounds good.

Speaking of Heart...I don't know exactly what happened to "Little Queen", but my original Portrait (pre-barcode) copy was a pretty fine sounding album. All issues I've heard post that sound muddy with slightly diminished dynamics. Can't help but wonder if the first pressing had benefit of the actual master tape and all the others (CD included) were made using second or third generation sub-masters.

Check the deadwax for a secret message! Great record.

My original Little Queen (purchased just after I bought my first 'good' tt, a Philips GA-308) sounds very good, too.

I just landed a Mushroom pressing from Spartonmanor. have yet to spin it.

I have the Nautilus 1/2 speed Master

Speaking of Heart...I don't know exactly what happened to "Little Queen", but my original Portrait (pre-barcode) copy was a pretty fine sounding album. All issues I've heard post that sound muddy with slightly diminished dynamics. Can't help but wonder if the first pressing had benefit of the actual master tape and all the others (CD included) were made using second or third generation sub-masters.
Little Queen > Dreamboat Annie, but I do love them both. :yes:

:thmbsp: Excellent sonics.......:yes:

FYI: There are a few copies of "Magazine" that were released on Arista without Heart's permission. This version of the album has the same artwork, but the versions of the songs within are quite different.

Speaking of Heart...I don't know exactly what happened to "Little Queen", but my original Portrait (pre-barcode) copy was a pretty fine sounding album. All issues I've heard post that sound muddy with slightly diminished dynamics. Can't help but wonder if the first pressing had benefit of the actual master tape and all the others (CD included) were made using second or third generation sub-masters.

Showing my age here, but when this LP was released I read an interview with the sisters Heart in a stereo mag in which they opined the reason the LP sounded so good was because it was mixed in a small old studio in Canada which used tube gear.

Now, as this was the opinion of the artists themselves I tend to give it credence

FYI: There are a few copies of "Magazine" that were released on Arista without Heart's permission. This version of the album has the same artwork, but the versions of the songs within are quite different.

I have both versions and "Heartless" is clearly mixed differently!

I bought the "unauthorized" version the day it was released. A day or two later, they were all recalled. I bought the other version later.

Lots of intrigue around Magazine.

I bought the Arista copy as soon as it was released. As I recall, quite a bit of time passed before the replacement version came out.

I bought the Arista copy as soon as it was released. As I recall, quite a bit of time passed before the replacement version came out.
Yes, as I recall it. It came out on Arista,(Clive Davis' label, btw). And, shortly thereafter Arista was slapped with an injunction by Mushroom. Claiming 'breach of contract', which dragged on for months until the courts finally sided with Mushroom. I also recall Mushroom flooding the market with copies of 'Magazine'. You could find it in the 'cut-out' bins for $.99 up until the early 80's.
Ok heres wikipedias version of the story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28album%29

I bought mine at a place named "School Kids Records". Funny name, great record store. I knew it was supposed to be there the day I bought it and made a special trip to get it.

2 days later I'm back in the store and the owner/manager says to me "I'm supposed to get all those Heart albums back and send them back to the record company, you'll get a refund!" I smiled and said "sorry, I lost it!". He laughed and shook his head.

I do know that when I acquired the "authorized" version, it sounded noticeably different. :yes:

Yep. That's how I remember it as well. The new version of "Heartless" charted, but I think the whole fiasco hurt the group with their fans.

Speaking of Heart...I don't know exactly what happened to "Little Queen", but my original Portrait (pre-barcode) copy was a pretty fine sounding album. All issues I've heard post that sound muddy with slightly diminished dynamics. Can't help but wonder if the first pressing had benefit of the actual master tape and all the others (CD included) were made using second or third generation sub-masters.

Playin' it right now, bought new in 1977, no bar code, one of the first LP's I played when I brought the (new) Thorens home with me '77, Sounds killer, a few more pops and ticks, but Steve Fossen's bass on the title track,still amazes me on all the many systems over the years, still look at the left speaker when the coins drop(bonus:anyone know what coins they are?) on Say Hello.
I don't think it's sounds as nice as D A. I'll hip ya'll to some inside info on the "girls" in a quote on ballyfords post below.

So what coins were they?
Craig

Showing my age here, but when this LP was released I read an interview with the sisters Heart in a stereo mag in which they opined the reason the LP sounded so good was because it was mixed in a small old studio in Canada which used tube gear.

Now, as this was the opinion of the artists themselves I tend to give it credence

An older buddy of mine way back, lived down the block from the "girls" in WA in the late 50's, they were always horse'n around together, couple of tomboy's especially Ann, disclaimer: I've lost track of this guy but I got a mind like a steel trap, especially a subject I like alot, and huge Heart fanatic here, so anyway, Nancy is the prankster, goofy little kid, Their folks had real nice stereo stuff and the girls liked to sing and play along with the early rock from that time, made up lot's of stories, liked makebelieve stuff(Duh:D) His folks moved away in the early 60's--Flash forward (back for me) We're sitting there in my basement room Thorens spinnin' Dreamboat Annie through the little Sanyo Plus int. into the Genesis II's and diggin' how good it sounds:yes: He'd heard that interview and tell's the bit's about the girl's and says it doesn't suprise him at all that they chose an old studio with tube stuff to get "that sound" they taught him a bit about hearing music. At the time I had no F'n idea what he was talkin' about, I learned much later:yes:
Craig-again I can't verify any of this, just sharing:music::music:

Yeah, what's the deal with the coins? :scratch2:

Yeah, what's the deal with the coins? :scratch2:

What demonination and type of coins are they? play it, it's a very distinct sound, I think the band was :smoke: and someone dropped some change on the table and (I bet Ann, dunno I wasn't there) said that sounds nice let's put that in. ??
Craig

Just put my CD-R from record copy on to see if I can figure it out. The coins are resonant as I recall, like brass.

Back to the OP question for a second. The Canadian pressing of Dreamboat Annie is far and away the best sounding one I have heard. The half-speed master is a bit too tubby in the bass, though it has great dynamics.

Ok, back to the segmental and tangental direction this great thread is going. :D

Just put my CD-R from record copy on to see if I can figure it out. The coins are resonant as I recall, like brass.

Sorry, I'm really not much of a game player. they are silver quarters dropped on a hard inert, like marble or concrete surface, if you have a silver quarter drop it, hear that ring? I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to know how that got worked in there, my senario before was just a guess:thmbsp:
But, I know I'm right about the coins!!
Craig

Ok, I might not be correct, I don't know everything, I don't have the CD or HDCD of this, I could not find a silver quarter, I was relying on memory, I played it on LP several times, sure sounds like a silver quarter to me but, I'm not positive, sorry for the hijack:yes: I'll just play Dreamboat Annie again:thmbsp:
Craig

Maybe they were metal slugs punched out of an electrical box... :D

Back to the OP question for a second. The Canadian pressing of Dreamboat Annie is far and away the best sounding one I have heard. The half-speed master is a bit too tubby in the bass, though it has great dynamics.

Ok, back to the segmental and tangental direction this great thread is going. :D

I really enjoy learning stuff like this. Good direction.

I went to find my copy of Dreamboat Annie and its a Mushroom lable Catalog MRS-5005. since many have said its the best one, i'm happy.

All this discussion about Magazine has forced me to climb down that long stairwell at the 70salesguy Colossal Manor and Museum of Consumer Electronics, open the vault door and dig into the archives.

I actually have 3 versions of Magazine!

The first is the disputed version. In the poor quality pictures that I have attached, you will notice "SPARTY 1024" in the upper right hand corner. The disclaimer is below the Mushroom Records Logo near the bottom of the cover.

I have attached a separate photo to show the detail and render it legible.

The release date is 1977 Arista Records and this album was manufactured in Holland. The actual record has a black label with a light blue Arista logo on it.The inner sleeve is a plain white sleeve.

Wikipedia :rolleyes: says that the album was released in Spring of 77, but I have the receipt in the jacket and I purchased it on 11/28/77, a Monday.

The second is the one without the UPC code. You will notice that the arrangement of the tracks is different from the "SPARTY 1024" version. The release date is 1978. This album jacket has a Mushroom Records Logo on it as well and the label on the record is a green label with a Mushroom Logo. The inner sleeve has the lyrics to 5 of the songs and other liner notes.

The third is the one with the UPC Code. It has a release date of 1978 and is on the Capitol label. The record has a black label with the oval Capitol Records Logo. The inner sleeve is a black sleeve with "Fame" in red script letters and says "Albums & Tapes - Original Artists - Original Recordings - Original Quality. I assume this is a re-release and I probably bought it to satisfy my mild obsession.

As with most of my albums that I acquired after the purchase of my Pioneer RT-1020H RTR and Pioneer CT-F650 cassette, these albums were cleaned, played once to "cut the flash out of the grooves", cleaned again and then recorded. As a result, it is unlikely that any of the 3 have been played more than twice each.

As another bonus from my trip to the archives, I discovered quite a few vinyl LPs that I purchased many years ago as CDs were chasing vinyl out of the stores. These were LPs that I had forgotten about!

I am now looking forward to opening and playing several "new" LPs! :thmbsp:

*grumbles* Now I'll have to actually get up off my rump and get downstairs to the basement to see which version of Magazine I have. :rant:
Okay, just the Mushroom cutout from L.A. My "Dreamboat Annie" is also from Mushroom L.A... but my copy of "Little Queen" is the only CBS Mastersound LP I have.
Tom

OK, thanx to this thread, my Heart on vinyl collection just doubled. I had Dreamboat Annie on Mushroom, & just picked up Magazine on Mushroom. :smoke: I've been a big Heart fan from way back, but still pretty new to owning & using a TT. They're just not as portable as 8-tracks, lol. :D

I think it is only on cd, but another great one to add to your collection is Heart-The Road Home. Great live mixes.

OK, thanx to this thread, my Heart on vinyl collection just doubled. I had Dreamboat Annie on Mushroom, & just picked up Magazine on Mushroom. :smoke: I've been a big Heart fan from way back, but still pretty new to owning & using a TT. They're just not as portable as 8-tracks, lol. :D

Don't forget Little Queen and Dog and Butterfly:thmbsp::D:D
Craig

edit: anybody done the coin test, I'm about to take the bus tomorrow and buy one at a shop to compare with the begining of Say Hello on Little Queen, please save me from this, it's gettin' really hot down here<grins>

Damn you BULLWINKLE! for starting this thread!! You made me go online tonight and buy a sealed pressing of Dreamboat Annie on Mushroom records... just so I could hear it for myself :yes: :thmbsp:

thanks! :D

Not that anyone cared or anything but, $2 bus pass/ride to the coin store, $3 for an old worn silver quarter, the folks on the bus at 8:30am in Tucson: priceless:D Dropped that sucker on the Saltillo tile floor, That's a confirm from the O/C addled stuwee, my therapist said "That's nice, now what's this about AR speaker's?" Next:thmbsp:
Craig

mm I'm happy to have just one copy of Dreamboat Annie. So I can't do any back 2 back comparisons.
Version I've got is:
> the ARTY 139 version, so Arista Records, under licence from Mushroom Records
> manufactured under licence by Negram BV, Heemstede Holland (not a very big surprise when you live in the Netherlands)

and it sounds very good. Dutch pressings from the mid seventies are most of the time well above par so to speak.
But than again it might sound crap compared to the original Mushroom. I don't know, sometimes it is better to stay ignorant ;) So far I'm happy with my Dreamboat Annie

I have the original pressings of Dreamboat and Little Queen. Also have the same on Nautilus (1/2 speed).

Heres a question: who can hear/feel the roughly 30hz tone on Sylvan Song, roughly near the end? (just before Dream of the Archer)

Damn you BULLWINKLE! for starting this thread!! You made me go online tonight and buy a sealed pressing of Dreamboat Annie on Mushroom records... just so I could hear it for myself :yes: :thmbsp:

thanks! :D

Sorry about that. I find myself buying alot of albums because of similar threads. Most work out great. I have expanded my musical horizons as a consequence. Love it!

Danger Boy, are you a....a virgin? You must report how you like it if you've never hear this before:scratch2::D
Craig

I have the original pressings of Dreamboat and Little Queen. Also have the same on Nautilus (1/2 speed).

Heres a question: who can hear/feel the roughly 30hz tone on Sylvan Song, roughly near the end? (just before Dream of the Archer)

Do you mean the Moog? I know it's down in -dB land but, with the 'Logans cranked and me in the 'puter room, 75 80 feet away the clock on the wall vibrates real good:D
Craig

I have the original pressings of Dreamboat and Little Queen. Also have the same on Nautilus (1/2 speed).

Heres a question: who can hear/feel the roughly 30hz tone on Sylvan Song, roughly near the end? (just before Dream of the Archer)

Crap. My speakers only go down to 35Hz. :gigglemad

I will have to check it out when my copy of it arrives.

Whatta thread! And here I thought they were only good for live Led Zep covers...
Nice 70s band, but the 80-90s schlock was as bad as what happened to the Starship. Yuk...
Wasnt Spirit's Mark Andes their bassist?

Whatta thread! And here I thought they were only good for live Led Zep covers...
Nice 70s band, but the 80-90s schlock was as bad as what happened to the Starship. Yuk...
Wasnt Spirit's Mark Andes their bassist?

Not sure about Spirit but, Mark replaced Steve Fossen and, Denny Carmassi replaced Micheal Derosier on drums. Speakin' of schlock, guess who sang back up on "What about Love"?? And what well known 80's king of schlock was credited for Creative Input for that LP?

Craig

Nice 70s band, but the 80-90s schlock was as bad as what happened to the Starship. Yuk...

IMHO, and as a big Heart fan, the 70's stuff was great and very fresh. A unique sound and certainly unique with the two Wilson sisters fronting a good rock band.

They sort of faded away and then, bam! Back in the 80's with the self-title "Heart" album. Personally, I like Never, What about love, These Dreams and lots of other stuff from that album. If looks could kill and There's the girl "from Bad Animals". Some people didn't like them, but the songs hold up well, the guitar work is excellent and the sisters never looked so good as they did in the videos.

Once again, they fade away and then at the very end of the 80's come back again with "Brigade". All I want to do... has received its share of criticism, but lots of good stuff on that album, Wild Child being one of them.

Again, they slowly fade away and then years later they are back again.

I saw them live in the 70s in a high school auditorium, had a front row seat in a coliseum for a show in the 80s, and have seen them at House of Blues in the 90s and twice since 2000.

They have demonstrated a lot of staying power and have provided me with a lot of listening pleasure. Even if you don't enjoy the later stuff, glad you like the 70s songs. I have a videotape of their music videos from the 80s and once every few months I love to play it and watch 'em strut their stuff! :yes:

I saw them about two years ago here in Colorado Springs. Great concert.

I'll admit, Nancy can play.

Magazine fans, take Heart..

No shortage of the good sounding Canadian mushroom pressings up here in Canada! (at least here in the middle of the country.) I've recently seen MRS-5008 in NM shape for 4 bucks. This is the same non-upc version that 70's salesguy referred to, if I'm not mistaken.

I have a copy that I picked up a couple of years ago for 2 bucks that sounds mighty fine!

PS: The dead wax on this version says "dog and butterfly"

Dreamboat Annie has such a nice lush and warm sound to it. They recorded it in a studio that ran on tubes, that is what I read some were.

To me Heart has never done a bad album or even song. Maybe it is just that I connect to their stuff more than any other group. We all have "that" group" and it is different for all of us. Unless of course, it is Heart, then it is the same for some of us. :scratch2::music:

I'm spinning Heart Greatest Hits/Live. I've never even heard of this album but found it today. Looks scratched and grungy as all get out, but plays as well as my best albums, not a pop one. 2 album set. first album is live versions miked clean with no audience noise, great stuff. The second album has audiences and sound checks and general funny business plus great versions of songs.

Crap. My speakers only go down to 35Hz. :gigglemad

Hehee. :banana: It was this "tone" (it seems to be a "pure" tone) that was reproduced on a system that "opened" my ears to what an "audiophile" system was all about. I had NEVER heard it before.

Much as I love the Heart albums (apart from the 80's dreck), I'm still left sort of hungry for one release from them that's solid from start to finish. They always seem to have struggled with putting together a solid-from-start-to-finish collection of original material.

Dreamboat Annie has 3 versions of the title cut. Granted, I love all 3, but...
Most of their other albums contain throwaway live cuts or covers or some form of 'filler'. And then there's the infamous "Heart" album. Strong commercially from start to finish, most of the songs were written by someone else (thankfully...I'd hate to think the Wilson sisters were completely responsible for that dreck).

Maybe that would have been their second album, had Mushroom not jerked them around so much, what with the Magazine / Little Queen fiasco. The best of those albums together would have made quite a release.

When Magazine came out and Heartless was played on the radio, I had that thing down and all of a sudden, the song was different. :D No one would believe me back then when I told them the song was different. :D They should never bet against my ear. :D

I liked that other version of it, but now it is starting to fade from my memory.

I am a big Heart fan, especially in the 70s but I like the 80s and 90s too.

Ann has got that one in a million voice.

The mix for Heartless is definitely different between the 2 albums.

Most people have probably never heard the version on the "disputed" album, which is the one that I prefer!

Yay, I just picked up another copy of Dreamboat Annie. This one's also the Mushroom MRS-5005, but in WAY better condition, as in minty vinyl & very good cover. :smoke: My other one was listenable, but not exactly quiet. ;) I also picked up a second Magazine out of curiosity, and though both are Mushroom MSR-5008, with the same cover, they have different inner sleeves. One has pics of the band members on one side, & some of the lyrics on the other side, while the other has no pics, & lyrics on BOTH sides. BTW, I have a good copy of Dog & Butterfly, too, but have a ways to go to have a full set of ALL their albums, lol.

Hmmm...
I've got 2 Mushroom copies here of "Dreamboat Annie"with 2 different dead wax messages:
"Devil Delight" on one and "It's in the Wax to the Max" on the other.

mushroom copy sounds awesome!

Come on you guys .. just admit you like looking at pics of the Wilson sisters on the cover.

As far as the magazine album goes, is the picture disc one of the disputed records? I just found it in a thirft shop for $5. sound pretty good.

I went to find my copy of Dreamboat Annie and its a Mushroom lable Catalog MRS-5005. since many have said its the best one, i'm happy.

Magazine fans, take Heart..

No shortage of the good sounding Canadian mushroom pressings up here in Canada! (at least here in the middle of the country.) I've recently seen MRS-5008 in NM shape for 4 bucks. This is the same non-upc version that 70's salesguy referred to, if I'm not mistaken.

I have a copy that I picked up a couple of years ago for 2 bucks that sounds mighty fine!

PS: The dead wax on this version says "dog and butterfly"

Hmmm...
I've got 2 Mushroom copies here of "Dreamboat Annie"with 2 different dead wax messages:
"Devil Delight" on one and "It's in the Wax to the Max" on the other.


Finally found myself a very good copy of said Mushroom MRS-5005 pressing, $1.00 at the SA.

In the deadwax, mine says MAYA on side 1 and ZOOIE or ZOOE on side 2.

Vinyl LP heaven....:banana: