View Full Version : Pioneer PL-600 Cartridge


Kstallbe
07-14-2008, 04:08 PM
Hey all, newbie here again. After posting here a week ago I purchased a Pioneer PL-600 (the old heavy type) via auction for 51 beans plus shipping. Looking forward to getting it ready and spinning.

I haven't received it yet. The auction page says it has an AT cartridge on it. Heres a pic of the actual TT: http://tinyurl.com/6gwn7u. Maybe y'all can identify the cartridge via the pic? Either way Im guessing Ill need a new one.

I'd appreciate advice as to whats a decent cartridge for this unit, and in the 50-75 dollar range.

TIA, and Im sure more questions will follow....

Keith

Windwalker
07-14-2008, 04:21 PM
looks like an Audio Technica(AT) of some kind
Wait till it gets to you before deciding you need a new one=might be a good/ok one and all you may need is a stylus

Sansui Louie
07-14-2008, 04:52 PM
Cant tell for sure but it looks like an AT-3600. It's ok for a second table and/or handy to keep around for playing questionable vinyl, but you'll want something better in short order. That doesn't mean you need to spend a ton - $100 and under will do quite a bit.

Kstallbe
07-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Guessing from this pic - http://tinyurl.com/5e7xf9 - it seems to be an AT70L. Comapre to: http://tinyurl.com/55jhco.

So, if thats the case, sill worth keeping or should I upgrade to a Shure M97xe or a AT120ET? Also, I see the AT440ML gets great reviews and can be had for 100 at amazon.

Thoughts appreciated!

Kstallbe
07-14-2008, 04:57 PM
Ah, thanks Sansui... guess my googling was not as good as your personal knowledge!! It does look like the 3600...

hakaplan
07-14-2008, 04:59 PM
No, your googling was better than his knowledge! :D

It's an AT70, but functionally about the same as the AT3600--conical stylus, entry level. Perfectly okay for testing the table. Actually just upgrading the stylus to an AT71E would be an improvement, but you might want to look for
something else.

Kstallbe
07-14-2008, 05:12 PM
Howard, I believe you were the one that got me going on the Pioneer in the first place. Do you have an opinion regarding what would best suit the PL-600? I mostly listen to some sort of rock & roll (boy that sounds weird! but I think it's true), like U2 +/- a few degrees of separation. Thanks for all of your help.

Sansui Louie
07-14-2008, 05:17 PM
No, your googling was better than his knowledge! :D

It's an AT70, but functionally about the same as the AT3600--conical stylus, entry level. Perfectly okay for testing the table. Actually just upgrading the stylus to an AT71E would be an improvement, but you might want to look for
something else.

Well that was my second guess, but from the provided pic, I couldn't tell if it was a 70 or a 3600, both of which come (or have come) with red stylus frames. The second set of pics clearly shows it to be a 70.

The 70 is a step up from the 3600, but it's still a conical stylus. A 71 stylus will pop right in and is elliptical (and green), but for the money you'd spend on that, for a few bucks more, you can do better.

I'm a big AT fan. You could do much worse than a 70 or a 71. But you can do a lot better for under $100. Even for under $60.

Try www.lpgear.com and check out their hifi cartridge selection, especially the AT's. The 95E and the 110 are good choices, as are the 120 and, at $100, the 440.

My ribs hurt from that jab, Hak! :D

Stanton681EEES
07-14-2008, 06:57 PM
I have one and the 3 cartridges I found sounded best were in no particular order
1 At110E
2 Empire 2000EI With an EII stylus
3 Stanton 500E
The arms on these PL600 seem to like heavier cartridges.
The Empire and the AT had a warm midrange plus lots of bass.

Divotdog
07-14-2008, 07:36 PM
I have to second the AT 110E, I used one on my PL-600 for awhile, very nice sound for the price.:thmbsp:

whell
07-14-2008, 07:56 PM
If your budget will allow, this is the one to get:

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGAT95SA&Category_Code=LPGCART

I own the PL-600 as well, and you got a heck of a turntable for $51!! This LP Gear cartridge would mate well with the tonearm on the PL-600, which is a bit north of medium mass. The Shibata stylus tracks well, and keeps the groove noise down.

This will be the next cartridge that I buy for my PL-600 when I have a few extra bucks.

hakaplan
07-14-2008, 11:21 PM
My ribs hurt from that jab, Hak! :D
Well I know you can take it. :D

hakaplan
07-14-2008, 11:22 PM
If your budget will allow, this is the one to get:

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGAT95SA&Category_Code=LPGCART

I own the PL-600 as well, and you got a heck of a turntable for $51!! This LP Gear cartridge would mate well with the tonearm on the PL-600, which is a bit north of medium mass. The Shibata stylus tracks well, and keeps the groove noise down.

This will be the next cartridge that I buy for my PL-600 when I have a few extra bucks.
Ditto to every word in this post. :thmbsp:

Kstallbe
07-15-2008, 08:34 AM
Man, I freaking love these forums!!!! You guys are so helpful!!!!

I think I can swing the LP Gear AT95SA... I mean whats another 30-40 bucks if its gonna last a long while and sound real nice?

Does this particular cartridge emphasize one end of the range more than the other? Because I was reading up on the AT 440ML and lots of people said it had a bump in the high end. So, despite its tracking abilities, etc., I do not think I'd prefer such a sound. So, would you kind folks mind giving a brief review of its sound production?

Thanks again!!!

Keith

whell
07-15-2008, 09:13 AM
I think I'll leave that job to the professionals. The review starts half way down the page.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc032307.shtml

The wrap on the AT95SE is that it is a very neutral - sounding cartridge that doesn't over-emphasize any part of the musical spectrum. This is generally regarded as the hallmark of a very good cartridge.

Kstallbe
07-15-2008, 09:26 AM
Well, Im sold!

Now I just gotta figure things out like, cartridge alignment, VTA, Stylus force, overhang alignment.... oh, and probably the manual for the TT.... someday I'll actually get some work done again!

whell
07-15-2008, 11:15 AM
Both the manual and the service manual are available in the Pioneer section of this web site. Check out this thread for details:

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91705

Howard has posted the suggested alignment/overhang for the Pioneer tables: 49MM - measured from the rubber washer on the neck of the head shell to the stylus tip - will get the job done.

Kstallbe
07-15-2008, 01:06 PM
Should I go to http://www.turntablebasics.com/, and buy a force gauge and Phono Cartridge Alignment Tool?

Thank you thank you thank you......

Sansui Louie
07-15-2008, 02:57 PM
I'd get a digital scale off of Ebay. More accurate, less $, less fiddling around.

Turntablebasics guy hasn't been all that prompt with his orders as of late. You can get a free one at www.enjoythemusic.com. But you don't even need to do that, just see the above post about measuring 49MM from headshell O ring to stylus tip, and mount the cart straight in the headshell. Get one of those little pocket machinist's rules in metric, they work great for this.