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TheRed1
11-10-2008, 09:30 PM
Analog Addict was kind enough to send me scans of a Magnavox brochure he got with his latest acquisition. I've been trying to determine the model year in question by comparing the brochure with contemporary advertisements. I'm guessing 1959. If you all have any further information, esp. chassis #s and brochures/catalogs from other years - it might be the beginnings of a data base. Here's what I've got so far:

Stereo Master Model 1-ST212F/Ad from Aug. 59
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereoMasterModel1-ST212F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxStereo-MasterAug59.jpg

Stereorama Model 2-SC202F/Ad from Nov. 58
(Note that in the ad the Stereorama is shown w/o the optional contemporary base-$10.50.)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereoramaModel2-SC202F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereorama.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxModelSC202FStereoramaNov-1.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieOptionalBases.jpg

Aristocrat Model 1-SC268F/Ad from Sept. 59
(Note that in the ad this model is described as "new". An ad running in September is often for next year's model.)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieAristocratModel1-SC268F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxAristocratSept59.jpg

Concerto Model 1-SP263F/Ad from Jan. 59
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-41Channel.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxConcertoJan59.jpg

Modern Concerto Model 1-SR281F
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-49StereoChannel.jpg

markus
11-10-2008, 09:55 PM
BEAUTIFUL !

I gotta get off my ass and finish scanning my 1961 brochure :thmbsp:

aaaaaand really pull together what I got for actual consoles and components . . . at this point, I think I have 12 complete Magnavox consoles from 1947 to 1963, and OODLES of amps, speakers, and turntables . . .

it would be VERY cool to have a (visual) resource of all the vintage Magnavox offerings :yes:

TheRed1
11-10-2008, 10:03 PM
I figure the "SP" in the model number must be stereo phonograph; "SR" stereo radio; "SC" stereo console. But I don't get the "ST" in the Stereo Master's model number.

Continental Model 1-SR295F/Ad from Nov. 58

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinental-1.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalModel1-SR295F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalA.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalC.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalB.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalD.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxContinentalNov58.jpg

Belvedere Model 1-SP275F or 1-SR276F/Ad from Oct. 1958
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-35Channel.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxBelvedereOct1958A.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxBelvedereOct1958B.jpg

kydog
11-11-2008, 04:19 AM
I figure the "SP" in the model number must be stereo phonograph; "SR" stereo radio; "SC" stereo console. But I don't get the "ST" in the Stereo Master's model number.

Continental Model 1-SR295F/Ad from Nov. 58

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinental-1.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalModel1-SR295F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalA.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalC.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalB.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieContinentalD.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxContinentalNov58.jpg

Belvedere Model 1-SP275F or 1-SR276F/Ad from Oct. 1958
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-35Channel.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxBelvedereOct1958A.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxBelvedereOct1958B.jpg

Of the two tube models I own, That is one of them( the Magnavox Continental):yes: I also have the seperate speaker with the 10" metal tweeter and 15" woofer:music:
The receiver also has that cool magic green tuning eye!!The cabinet door slides from left to right to expose the record storage area along with
the receiver.

kydog
11-11-2008, 04:30 AM
Analog Addict was kind enough to send me scans of a Magnavox brochure he got with his latest acquisition. I've been trying to determine the model year in question by comparing the brochure with contemporary advertisements. I'm guessing 1959. If you all have any further information, esp. chassis #s and brochures/catalogs from other years - it might be the beginnings of a data base. Here's what I've got so far:

Stereo Master Model 1-ST212F/Ad from Aug. 59
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereoMasterModel1-ST212F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxStereo-MasterAug59.jpg

Stereorama Model 2-SC202F/Ad from Nov. 58
(Note that in the ad the Stereorama is shown w/o the optional contemporary base-$10.50.)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereoramaModel2-SC202F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereorama.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxModelSC202FStereoramaNov-1.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieOptionalBases.jpg

Aristocrat Model 1-SC268F/Ad from Sept. 59
(Note that in the ad this model is described as "new". An ad running in September is often for next year's model.)
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieAristocratModel1-SC268F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxAristocratSept59.jpg

Concerto Model 1-SP263F/Ad from Jan. 59
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-41Channel.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxConcertoJan59.jpg


I have a few brochures and sale guides with cost and dates. What model are you looking for data on? solid state or tube only:scratch2:

wa2ise
11-11-2008, 12:54 PM
Back in 1971 or so, a neighbor tossed a console, and I stripped some parts from it. One part was a 3 knob (3 two ganged pot) volume treble bass unit, possibly like the one in this model. Also some speakers. Also got (maybe this console, but I doubt it, as this console is stereo) a p-p monoblock amp that used tubes like 6BQ5s I used in college in 1975. May have given it to my roommate, who had the nice reel to reel deck we used the amp on.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieAristocratModel1-SC268F.jpg

TheRed1
11-11-2008, 03:18 PM
I would respectfully suggest that if you quote a post with a large number of pictures; you edit out all the bracketed IMG enclosed links except the one(s) you are referring to. This post is pretty picture intense as it is. Thanks.:)

Imperial Danish Model 2-ST220H
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Maggiebrochure3.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieImperialDanishModel2-ST220H.jpg

Imperial Provincial Model 2-ST217H
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieImperialProvincialModel2-ST21.jpg

Stratford Model 1-SC211F
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStratfordModel1-SC211F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStratford.jpg

Italian Provincial Model 1-SR206F
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-38Channel.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieItalianProvincial.jpg

spaceman
11-11-2008, 05:51 PM
Now I wish I had a scanner, to share pics of a brochure I got with my Modern Concerto. It's actually a single page folded a few ways, but shows many different models, including the Concert Grand, which I think was the flagship then (not sure of the date, 1960 give or take a year).

analog addict
11-11-2008, 08:07 PM
Those scans came out nicer than I thought. Took some time, but it should be well worth it as a reference for any other Maggie lovers out there.

Here's my Stratford with the standard spindle legs....

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=114766&d=1225070353

Look at that wood grain!....:drool: And even better, it's protected by an integral glass outer layer....:thmbsp: Who needs coasters???...:D


http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=114765&d=1225070353

Here's the catalog picture with the optional base....

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStratfordModel1-SC211F.jpg


The catalog gives you no idea at all of the beauty of the wood used, or the real overall quality feel of the piece. This one will not meet the hatchet at my hands.....:no:

analog addict
11-11-2008, 08:09 PM
Now I wish I had a scanner, to share pics of a brochure I got with my Modern Concerto. It's actually a single page folded a few ways, but shows many different models, including the Concert Grand, which I think was the flagship then (not sure of the date, 1960 give or take a year).

Loan it to Red, and let him do the work.....:D

I'm sure he'd take good care of it, and we owe it to those who put the craftmanship and care and dare I say it, love into these pieces to preserve the quality examples of their art, and their associated documentation....:thmbsp:

TheRed1
11-11-2008, 08:55 PM
Loan it to Red, and let him do the work.....:D

The scanning is the tedious part. Once that part is done the rest is easy. A quick and easy way to get an image into cyberspace is a digital camera with a macro setting, plenty of light and perhaps a tripod. The image will be somewhat distorted with a typical lens but still quite legible.

AA, do you suppose the MST-859 written on the back cover might be a date code for your brochure? Anyone else with Magnavox literature have similar codes that might confirm this is a date?
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Maggiebrochure17.jpg

TheRed1
11-11-2008, 09:13 PM
I have a few brochures and sale guides with cost and dates. What model are you looking for data on? solid state or tube only:scratch2:Cost and dates would be great. Magnavox model names often seem hard to come by. If we could link the model name to the model # with maybe chassis #s and a picture or two, then we'd really have something. And since this is the tube forum we should probably concentrate on that.

analog addict
11-11-2008, 09:19 PM
AA, do you suppose the MST-859 written on the back cover might be a date code for your brochure? Anyone else with Magnavox literature have similar codes that might confirm this is a date?
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/Maggiebrochure17.jpg

That was my original guess, supported by the 1958 dates of the tubes....Not confirmed though....:no:

Thespeakerdude8
11-11-2008, 09:34 PM
awesome thread. Any info on the lesser known magnavox consolettes, such as the model 0FM042 trapezoid table radio? Theres also another neat little table console that a fellow member has here on AK.

analog addict
11-11-2008, 10:00 PM
Red, you wanna post some of the portables and the aux speaker page???:thmbsp:

TheRed1
11-11-2008, 10:15 PM
awesome thread. Any info on the lesser known magnavox consolettes, such as the model 0FM042 trapezoid table radio? Theres also another neat little table console that a fellow member has here on AK.

I may be that fellow with the table radio you refer to: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=181761

And I believe the trapezoid models are called the Symphonette. Here is a Dec. 59 ad showing what the 59/60 model looked like:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxSymphonetteDec59.jpg

And another from Oct. 61 showing the 61/62 version:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxSymphonetteOct61.jpg

TheRed1
11-11-2008, 10:28 PM
Red, you wanna post some of the portables and the aux speaker page???:thmbsp:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieCompanionSpeakers1.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieCompanionSpeakers2.jpg

jt1stcav
11-11-2008, 10:34 PM
And to think those consoles were rather expensive back in their day! The value of a dollar sure has changed substantially these past 40 years.

Looking at these scans makes me wish my late grandmother had kept her '59 Motorola stereophonic console. I thought it sounded terrible as a kid (with it's spring reverb), but she always kept it in emaculate condition...it would've been a nice keepsake.

kydog
11-12-2008, 12:22 AM
Here's my maggie:yes: Pictured in the brochure.
French Provincial#295 with the seperate stereo speaker.

Thespeakerdude8
11-12-2008, 12:26 AM
those are close, and yes you are the one I spoke of. The radio(s) that I own have the tuner on the front. 0FM026 is the corrected model number. I have on in cherry and one in walnut.

beatcomber
11-12-2008, 09:36 AM
delete

TheRed1
11-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Berkley Model 1-SP209F/1-SR210F; Chassis: AMP 185
See the Shed Radios website for better pictures: http://www.shedradios.com/Magnavox1SP209F.html
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieBerkleyModel1-SP209F.jpg

Magnasonic Model 1-SP290F
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-33Channel.jpg

markus
11-12-2008, 04:15 PM
Here's my maggie:yes: Pictured in the brochure.
French Provincial#295 with the seperate stereo speaker.

HEY ! I got one of those ! mine came with a little bookshelf extension speaker though . . . neat console :thmbsp:

kydog
11-13-2008, 12:34 AM
HEY ! I got one of those ! mine came with a little bookshelf extension speaker though . . . neat console :thmbsp:

Thanks for the complement:yes: I have one of those bookshelf speakers stored somewere:music:

spaceman
11-13-2008, 12:35 PM
AA, do you suppose the MST-859 written on the back cover might be a date code for your brochure? Anyone else with Magnavox literature have similar codes that might confirm this is a date?
Good call, I was thinking along the same lines. Mine says Form #MSF-1-60, which would be January 1960 if we're right. I can either loan it to you, or I might play around & try taking pics. I don't have a tripod, but know about putting your elbows against your sides when shooting, lol.

kydog
11-13-2008, 02:58 PM
Good call, I was thinking along the same lines. Mine says Form #MSF-1-60, which would be January 1960 if we're right. I can either loan it to you, or I might play around & try taking pics. I don't have a tripod, but know about putting your elbows against your sides when shooting, lol.


My brochure has form# STC-6806:scratch2: ( Solid State Console June 1968)?

onepixel
11-13-2008, 03:14 PM
Here is a Magnavox "The Traditional" from 1948 (I think). It never had any gear in it. I was going to put some vintage gear into it but nothing fit. It's solid walnut and really heavy.

http://onepixeldesign.com/stereo/magnavox_front.jpg

http://onepixeldesign.com/stereo/magnavox_open.jpg

http://onepixeldesign.com/stereo/magnavox_logo.jpg

TheRed1
11-13-2008, 03:35 PM
Here is a Magnavox "The Traditional" from 1948 (I think).

1948 it is:

From Apr. 1948
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxTraditionalApr1948.jpg

onepixel
11-13-2008, 03:40 PM
1948 it is:

From Apr. 1948
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxTraditionalApr1948.jpg

Very cool, thanks! Looks like I was way off on the wood.

spaceman
11-13-2008, 06:55 PM
Boy, just imagine how much $249.50 really WAS back then. That was before penny candy cost a whole penny, I bet. :D

kydog
11-13-2008, 09:23 PM
Boy, just imagine how much $249.50 really WAS back then. That was before penny candy cost a whole penny, I bet. :D

That's when you got TWO pieces of candy for a penny:yes:

TheRed1
02-04-2009, 11:51 PM
I thought maybe I'd dredge up this old thread and try to start pulling together a preliminary Magnavox model line-up. This is only information I have positive evidence for, like: I know the Concert Grand persisted after 1958 but I haven't been able to document that yet. Models are ranked by price when known - beyond that: I'm just guessing.

Please add to, correct, or comment as you see fit. Chassis #s would be helpful, too. As you all add data I'll try to keep the list updated.

p=phonograph only; rp=radio-phonograph; s=separate speaker cabinet; rpt=radio-phonograph w/ tape recorder

1948

Mayfair $219.50 rp +$49 FM
Traditional $249.50 rp +$49 FM
Berkeley $350 rp +$65 FM
Modern Symphony $390 rp +65 FM
(TOTL?) $895

1949

Magnascope “150” $375 rp
American $375 rp

1950

Concerto $229.50 rp
Avenue $239.50-$259.50 rp
Chairside $249.50 rp
Contemporary $249.50-$269.50 rp
Wedgewood $275-$315 rp
Regency $335 rp
American $375-$395 rp

1951

Concerto $229.50 rp
Contemporary $285 rp
Wedgewood $315 rp
Savoy $315 rp
Regency $229.50 p $335 rp
French Provincial $335 rp
American $335-$425 rp

1952

Concerto $169.50
Chairside $279.50-$299.50 rp
Regency $289.50 rp
American $335 rp
Concertmaster $$345-$350 rp
Belvedere $395 rp


1953

Concerto $189.50 rp
Magnasonic $198.50 p
Chairside $239.50-$249.50 rp
Custom Chairside $249.50 rp
Concerto $289.50 rp
Wedgewood $335 rp
Regency (TOTL) $495 rp

1954

(BOTL?) $119.50
Magnasonic $198.50-$210 p $279.50-289.50 rp
Wedgewood $350 rp
Regency $495 rp

1955

Symphonette $139.50-$149.50 p
Magnasonic 210 $149.50-$159.50 p 198.50 rp
Magnasonic 420 $198.50-$210 p Model 252M $279.50 rp
Concerto $289.50 rp
Serenade $350 rp
Berkshire $595 rp

1956

Concerto (Model 264) $129.50 p
Symphonette $149.50-$159.50 p
Cosmopolitan $159.85 p
Contemporary
Magnasonic (210?) $198.50 p $269.50 rp
Magnasonic 420 $279.50-$289.50 rp
Serenade
Concert Master
Berkshire
Brittany
Imperial Symphony
(TOTL?) $795

1957

Duette $129.90-$139.90 p
Symphonette $149.50-$159.50 p
Magnasonic 310 (Model 297) $169.50-$179.50 p $219.50-$229.50 rp
Magnasonic 410 $199.50-$209.50 p $289.50-$299.50 rp
SuperMagnasonic $259.50-$279.50 p $349.50-$369.50 rp
Continental $389.50 rp

1958

Duette $129.90 p
Cosmopolitan $159.85 p
Magnasonic (Stereo Special) $179.50 p $279.50 rp
Stereorama (Model SC202F) $289.50 p $389.50 rp
Belvedere $225-235 p +$99.50 s
Wedgewood $425 rp (mono)
Continental $450 rp +$125 s
Concert Grand $612 rp $1175 rpt AMP 150 & AMP 179


1959

Symphonette $149.50 p
Concerto (Model 1-SP263F) $169.50 p +$69.50 s
Magnasonic (Model 1-SP290F) $199.50 p (mono)
Aristocrat (Model 1-SC268F) $199.50-209.50 p
Berkley (Model 1-SP209F) $? p (Model 1-SR210) $? rp AMP 185
Stratford (Model 1-SC211F) $269.90 p +$65 s
Belevedere (Model 1-SP275F) $225 p +$99.50 s (Model 1-SP276F) rp
Italian Provincial (Model 1-SR206F) $? rp AMP 175
Stereo-Master (Model 1-ST212F) $299.50-$315 rp
Continental (Model 1-SR295F) $450 AMP 182/54 01
Imperial Danish (Models 2-ST220H&2-ST221H) $? rp
Imperial Provincial (Model 2-ST217H) $? rp
Imperial Traditional (Model 2-ST215H) $? rp
Concert Grand (Models 1ST800F & 1ST801F) $~500 rp http://www.antiqueradio.com/Apr08_Jones_Magnavox.html

1960

Magnasonic $159.90-$169.90 p
Serenade $199.50-$209.50 (?)
Stereorama $229.50-$299.50 rp
Symphony $269.50 p $299.50-$315 rp
Concert Hall $399.50 rp

1961

Symphonette $149.50 p
Concerto $159.50 p $199 rp
Serenade $199.50 p
Symphony $249.50-265 p $278-$288 rp
American $495 rp
Concert Master (Model 2-ST6555) $?

1962

Intermezzo $198.50-$215
(Model 620) $298.50-$315 rp

fairchild
02-05-2009, 10:08 AM
There's a "The Traditional" available near here for next to nothing, anyone interested PM me and I'll put ou in touch... works too. RA in NY

analog addict
02-05-2009, 11:24 AM
$269.90 for my '59 Stratford, and $65 for the S-34 outboard speaker....

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=115035&d=1225222589

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=115036&d=1225222589


That is, if you believe the penciled in numbers.....:scratch2:

TheRed1
02-05-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks, AA. We'll go with the penciled numbers for now - they're probably more indicative of what you would have had to pay anyway (assuming they were put there by a salesman). What number chassis is in your Stratford?

Sam Cogley
02-05-2009, 02:09 PM
Analog Addict was kind enough to send me scans of a Magnavox brochure he got with his latest acquisition. I've been trying to determine the model year in question by comparing the brochure with contemporary advertisements. I'm guessing 1959. If you all have any further information, esp. chassis #s and brochures/catalogs from other years - it might be the beginnings of a data base. Here's what I've got so far:

Stereo Master Model 1-ST212F/Ad from Aug. 59
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MaggieStereoMasterModel1-ST212F.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxStereo-MasterAug59.jpg

I saw a solid-state Maggie console very similar to this one at the Habitat thrift today. Except for some minor scrapes on the sides and bottom edge of the cabinet, it looked to be in excellent shape - the turntable looked almost new. They wanted $50 for it. If it was a tube unit, I might have tried to find some space for it...

analog addict
02-05-2009, 02:26 PM
What number chassis is in your Stratford?

I'll have to get back to you on that. Where exactly do those numbers hide?...:stupid:

TheRed1
02-05-2009, 04:30 PM
Where exactly do those numbers hide?They're usually stamped on the chassis somewhere although my little Maggie has hers on the RF shielding - 51 04 AA (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2094876&postcount=1).

relaximus
02-05-2009, 04:35 PM
Red

On the little Maggie (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207087) I just picked, the only numbers I've been able to find (and read) thus far are:
HS-649A

4AA58
Both are printed on the amp chassis. No idea what they mean.

EDIT: My mistake, those are the numbes off of the Moto.

Dave

tcdriver
02-05-2009, 08:31 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-38Channel.jpg
I used to have one of those along with the matching TV.

The back of the unit:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/xtcdriver/akakphoto/Magnavoxback.jpg

The tuner / preamplifier chassis:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/xtcdriver/akakphoto/MagnavoxControlAmplifierback.jpg

The amplifier:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/xtcdriver/akakphoto/AMP175undertest.jpg

My folks bought this unit along with the companion television in the same cabinet style. For stereo playback one used the speakers in the television for one channel and the speakers in the radio / phono for the other. Only the phonograph section was stereo. The AM / FM tuner and tape input jacks were mono only.

larryderouin
02-14-2009, 11:38 PM
RED: Do you have any brochures from 64 thru 69. I've got 2. A 1ST693 (Large with Autotune/Volume control with Phantom REMOTE) and a 1ST3642 (Shorty Astrosonic) from about 1968-69.

I can date the 693 @ October based on Date stencil of 4264, but the 3642 doesn't have a stencil inside basing the 68-69 on others who have units with numbers on either side of mine that were built brwn 67-70.

Pics of both here..... http://s408.photobucket.com/albums/pp168/torskdoc/My%20Maggies/

I know...I know..They're SS. BUT they are MAGGIE's.

Larry

resound
02-14-2009, 11:58 PM
RED: Do you have any brochures from 64 thru 69. I've got 2. A 1ST693 (Large with Autotune/Volume control with Phantom REMOTE) and a 1ST3642 (Shorty Astrosonic) from about 1968-69.

I can date the 693 @ October based on Date stencil of 4264, but the 3642 doesn't have a stencil inside basing the 68-69 on others who have units with numbers on either side of mine that were built brwn 67-70.

Pics of both here..... http://s408.photobucket.com/albums/pp168/torskdoc/My%20Maggies/

I know...I know..They're SS. BUT they are MAGGIE's.

Larry

The speaker codes will give you a year. Within 6 months or so.
Post the #'s on the magnet back and we'll decipher it.
Easy stuff. We should all know how to decipher EIA codes.

Turns you into a vintage electronics guru.....ish


..

TheRed1
02-15-2009, 10:30 AM
RED: Do you have any brochures from 64 thru 69. I've got 2. A 1ST693 (Large with Autotune/Volume control with Phantom REMOTE) and a 1ST3642 (Shorty Astrosonic) from about 1968-69.
LarryNo, afraid not. Thanks for posting the model #s, though - might be helpful to someone.

larryderouin
02-16-2009, 02:09 AM
No, afraid not. Thanks for posting the model #s, though - might be helpful to someone.

CORRECTION ON THE MODELS:

1ST693

1P3642 not 1st3642.

I'll try and get the Speaker Info this week.

Larry

relaximus
02-16-2009, 08:20 AM
My 1ST293A with a 8605-00 SE 6BQ5 amplifier. I've been unable to find any date codes as yet.

http://www.datacad.com/dag/consoles/01.jpg

http://www.datacad.com/dag/consoles/amp_01.jpg

Dave

analog addict
02-16-2009, 09:14 AM
My 1ST293A with a 8605-00 SE 6BQ5 amplifier. I've been unable to find any date codes as yet.

http://www.datacad.com/dag/consoles/01.jpg

http://www.datacad.com/dag/consoles/amp_01.jpg

Dave

Tasty!...:thmbsp:

larryderouin
02-17-2009, 07:14 AM
Look for a stencil painted on the inside (use windex and some rags to wipe down the inside) on on the underneath of the bottom.

Larry

larryderouin
02-17-2009, 08:08 AM
The speaker codes will give you a year. Within 6 months or so.
Post the #'s on the magnet back and we'll decipher it.
Easy stuff. We should all know how to decipher EIA codes.

Turns you into a vintage electronics guru.....ish


..

Here's EVERYTHING I managed to find on the 1P3642

Tag on Back and inside.
Model Color Serial Amps Run
1P3642 Mapl 4417158 .40 1

Stencil Underneath Cabinet bottom
696339-5
AF1.24/0

AMPLIFIER
Model Serial
22271-DE 017537

I googled EIA Codes and I think I deciphered them right.

10" Full Range Spkr
581008 Magnavox Part #
137 7014 EIA Code Made by CTS 14th week (March) 1970

Small Horn
580099-1 Magnavox part #
575022 EIA Code Made by Heppner 22nd Week (May) 1970


So from the speaker dates, I can figure this is a late 1970 Model? Say June thru August. Or Even an EARLY 1971 Model.
Did they do model years like cars, Sept to Sept.?

Inside there are NO Stencils however there looks to be an area near the left spkr that had a tag at one time but has gone missing.

This is the 68-69 (i'm guessing) Magnavox in my photobucket link.
http://s408.photobucket.com/albums/pp168/torskdoc/My%20Maggies/1970%201P3642/

Larry

beatcomber
03-29-2009, 07:38 AM
1959 high fidelity goodness:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxSymphonetteDec59.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/beatcomber/Maggie1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/beatcomber/Maggie2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/beatcomber/Maggie3.jpg

analog addict
03-29-2009, 08:27 AM
Beauty! Where's the money shot?

TheRed1
03-29-2009, 01:09 PM
Beautiful!

You must have a time machine! Next time you go back to 1959 could I make you a list of a few items to pick up for me if you have any extra room. I'll gladly pay you for your trouble.

beatcomber
03-30-2009, 05:22 PM
I'm glad you like my Maggie! The amp inside is nothing special (1 x 7025 + 2 x 50EH5), but it is in excellent condition on the inside and out.

spideyjack
03-30-2009, 05:59 PM
Great thread! I think mine is a Belvedere.

chard306
04-03-2009, 11:55 PM
What can you tell me about this one....I have a chance at picking this up, in great working condition. I has all the paper work and microphones. Got to love the Reel to Reel.

TheRed1
04-04-2009, 09:59 AM
Astro-Sonic circa 1964: a solid state model. Looks to be in fairly good condition, though, with a nice modern cabinet plus the reel-to-reel. Might be worth getting if the price was right. Depends on what you're looking for.

larryderouin
07-19-2009, 10:37 PM
I'd say closer to 66'-67 bsed on the tonearm and the knobs on the tuner. My '67 1p3700 looks surprisingly similar to this one. Even to the tonearm. It almost looks like Collaro put the 800 series tonearm on an early 600 series machine.

Oh yeah. Update on Model #'s and dates. These are ones I have or had. All Astrosonics. Tube units seem to be rare as hens teeth in Baltimore.

1st693 1964 Fatal Amp meltdown. Parted out.
1p3700 1967 Running 64" console
1p3642 1970 Running 50" console
3cp605 1965 Magnasonic Record player console 50"
1sp3331 1969 coffee table Astrosonic 36"
1sp3412 End Table 1969 (using as bedside table)
1sp8722 matching extension for 3412. 1969 (using as bedside table)

Larry

TheRed1
07-19-2009, 11:05 PM
I'd say closer to 66'-67 bsed on the tonearm and the knobs on the tuner. My '67 1p3700 looks surprisingly similar to this one. Even to the tonearm. It almost looks like Collaro put the 800 series tonearm on an early 600 series machine.I defer to the apparent Astro-Sonic expert - that's quite a list. Thank you for posting it.

Tube units seem to be rare as hens teeth in Baltimore.You might want to check out the DC Craigslist. I've seen quite a few of the little Magnasonic consolettes recently which I don't believe were ever Astro-Sonic-ized. But I tend to limit my console research to the tubed variety. (I tried to limit it to tubed stereo models but that didn't work out so well.)

larryderouin
07-20-2009, 07:53 PM
Matter of fact the 3cp605 I picked up this past Friday in Reston. FREE! Lady's parents bought it New in N'orleans on 12/31/65. Got the original Order, Moving order sheet from the Drayage Co., and the Owners Manual, plus the instruction sheet on how to set up 1st time that got placed on the TT over the spindle. My budget (on disability) is basically nil, so I get what I can get. One of these day, THO!

That Magnasonic is small. It actually FIT in the bed of my S-10 4dr (which has the 4-1/2' bed) and the tonneau closed and latched! All the others I had to pad the top with a blanket and let the tonneau float.


Larry

BransonAuct
07-21-2009, 01:37 PM
Thought I might throw these in just to add to the thread. Picked these up about 6 months ago? and have been using them as a HT setup since. Right now they're being powered by a Marantz 2220b because the internal amp had a weak channel. I haven't really looked into recapping it or anything like that and didn't want to damage it so I just bypassed everything.

The condition is amazing, the only scratches are from me trying to carry them down a flight of steps by myself in the middle of the night. Didn't want to leave them in the back of a truck at an apartment complex. BTW my neighbors love me. And my Heresy's...

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199674

AUdubon5425
08-02-2009, 05:55 PM
Please add to, correct, or comment as you see fit. Chassis #s would be helpful, too. As you all add data I'll try to keep the list updated.

1952

American $335 rp


I picked up an American today to save it from going to the dump. Not sure if it can be fixed - it is a HEAVY sucker! Here's the codes I saw:

Model: MV 76H-1
Style: T128-235
TV: CT-302A 108G
Radio: CR242 AA 6R-4
Speaker: 583479 P232-109 ID3479

larryderouin
08-03-2009, 08:39 AM
I picked up an American today to save it from going to the dump. Not sure if it can be fixed - it is a HEAVY sucker! Here's the codes I saw:

Model: MV 76H-1
Style: T128-235
TV: CT-302A 108G
Radio: CB242AA 6R-4
Speaker: 583479 P232-109 ID3479

You might be able to resurrect the Radio relatively easily. The TV may be a different matter. It should clean up nicely. Keep us advised on progress.

Larry

jeffhamman
08-08-2009, 08:55 AM
looks like that one has a 15 instead of the usual 12. nice score.

wa2ise
08-08-2009, 12:31 PM
I picked up an American today to save it from going to the dump. Not sure if it can be fixed - it is a HEAVY sucker!


Drop by the Audiokarma B&W TV forum
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19
Someone there may be able to offer advice.

As it is, the picture tube is bad, as the vacuum has leaked out (more precisely air has leaked in, looks like a glass nipple seal was broken at the back of the neck and air came rushing in, cleaning the phosper off the middle of the screen).

kpaxfaq
01-03-2010, 09:57 PM
Can anyone Identify this maggy? I have a chance to go pick it up 2 hours away for 75 bucks. Owner says it is tube but did not know details. I haven't been able find a pic of similar console with information. I plan on keeping it intact if the console is as good in person as it looks in the pics but would like to know which amp resides inside.

http://images.craigslist.org/3n23od3l55O65T05S59ch63787cded6691080.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3n83k13ma5V45Te5Ra9ch45f5cd3352fa1a8d.jpg

analog addict
01-03-2010, 11:23 PM
Can anyone Identify this maggy? I have a chance to go pick it up 2 hours away for 75 bucks. Owner says it is tube but did not know details. I haven't been able find a pic of similar console with information. I plan on keeping it intact if the console is as good in person as it looks in the pics but would like to know which amp resides inside.

http://images.craigslist.org/3n23od3l55O65T05S59ch63787cded6691080.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3n83k13ma5V45Te5Ra9ch45f5cd3352fa1a8d.jpg

I dunno...good chance it could be soiled state.....:tears:

(No offense Larry....)

kpaxfaq
01-03-2010, 11:36 PM
yeah that is what I am possibly fearing. The owner said it is tube but I'm still waiting to hear back another response from my next battery of questions...

markus
01-04-2010, 06:44 AM
solid state for sure (based on the knobs and record changer arm . . .)

still a nice console buuuuuuuut . . . .

larryderouin
01-04-2010, 09:13 AM
The tuning dial glass is identical to one i have from a 1964 1st693. but the Bezel and knobs say to me lower end of the scale. Matter of fact it looks like a smaller version of the same. The turntable is from 1966/67 tho(Early 60's plinth color/style with newer style tonearm.) the 68 and newer had the dark gray colored turntable. I'll be the lettering at the top of the bezel says solid-*-state. And no more than 30watts total.

probably 1964/6 but No newer than 67. Most definately solid state. The inside color says 1967 to me. My 1967 1st3700 is same color inside, with same turntable. But different control head. You get a Model # yet?

A.A. None taken.:D You got in before me! But I'll back ya up if I can. I'm NO EXPERT, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last week.

Larry

Thespeakerdude8
03-09-2010, 06:47 PM
What model amp does the 1-ST212F console shown on the first page have in it? Is it the 196 SE 6bq5 amp or the 8601? I've always wondered what the 196's come out of. :scratch2:

mcp1
03-09-2010, 07:25 PM
I just bought this little beauty...any idea which model it is?

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/727/magnavox.jpg

TheRed1
03-09-2010, 08:08 PM
You've got yourself a first generation Magnovox Symphonette. Yours is one of the original square shaped mono versions that were produced from approximately 1955 through 1958. In 1959 Magnavox sawed off the corners to produce a stereo, trapezoidal (viewed from above) version of the Symphonette. It is probable that the amp on that model has what is referred to as a "hot" chassis which can be dangerous if handled while plugged in. Please be careful. You might want to post a photo of the amp for general reference purposes as well as to confirm if it is indeed a hot chassis.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxSymphonetteNov57.jpg

mcp1
03-10-2010, 05:32 AM
[QUOTE=TheRed1;3523907]You've got yourself a first generation Magnovox Symphonette. Yours is one of the original square shaped mono versions that were produced from approximately 1955 through 1958. In 1959 Magnavox sawed off the corners to produce a stereo, trapezoidal (viewed from above) version of the Symphonette. It is probable that the amp on that model has what is referred to as a "hot" chassis which can be dangerous if handled while plugged in. Please be careful. You might want to post a photo of the amp for general reference purposes as well as to confirm if it is indeed a hot chassis.

Thank you very much for the info...I appreciate it.

bkharris
03-10-2010, 10:09 AM
Any ideas about what this is?

199918

199919

199920

TheRed1
03-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Looks like an early Astro-Sonic from back when they were top-of-the-line, circa 1963:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxAstro-SonicDec62.jpg

62SY4
03-13-2010, 11:07 PM
Any ideas about what this is?



YEA THATS MY CONSOLE!!!!

It should be model 1ST635, like TheRed1 says TOTL '63-'64. My dad bought the one upon graduation in '64. I now have it waiting for the service manual from Mike at vintage audio manuals, it was put in the mail today.

TheRed1
03-14-2010, 10:31 AM
62SY4, is the amp also transistorized on your 1ST635 or is it just the Series 400 radio? Interesting the way they worded the ad: "lively AM" but only "regular FM" - of course it also has the stereo.

Can you find any chassis ID numbers? Perhaps you could post some shots of the works?

62SY4
03-14-2010, 01:51 PM
This is from Mike at vintage audio manuals
[snip]
Magnavox 1ST635 Astro-Sonic 20 Contemporary Console Stereo System Service Manual (52 pages overall including fold-out diagrams and schematics, covers R204 Series Transistor Radio Chassis and W602/W603/W604/W605/W606/W607/W608 Automatic Record Players as well as the main console cabinet & speakers, These service manuals also typically include the operating instructions as well)
[snip]

Here are the pics , I want to add the across the line caps are out still need to get 'em. I also have a chassis out of an 1RP637 and I can't say with certainty if it is identicle, but it is for sure pretty close to the same thing.
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg440/62SY4/DSC01258.jpg
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg440/62SY4/DSC01260.jpg
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg440/62SY4/DSC01261.jpg
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg440/62SY4/DSC01262.jpg

Hope this gives you what you need.

TheRed1
03-14-2010, 10:32 PM
Thanks. Looks like the 1ST635 is definitely heavily transistorized. In fact, I don't see any tubes at all - though I suppose there might be a few Nuvistors hiding under the RF shielding in the tuner section.

It is refreshing to run across someone who appreciates Magnavox's Astro-Sonic consoles. Most folks around here try to weed them out of their Craigslist search results. Good luck on your restoration. You may want to post a chronicle of your efforts in the solid state forum since there are relatively few working on Magnavoxes from the early transistor era.

62SY4
03-14-2010, 11:24 PM
Thanks. Looks like the 1ST635 is definitely heavily transistorized. In fact, I don't see any tubes at all - though I suppose there might be a few Nuvistors hiding under the RF shielding in the tuner section.

Ok, I was unsure of what you were explicitly asking....i.e. hybrid, op amp, darlington, discrete?I'm not sure what is hiding under the shielding, I'm not about to find out either:no:

As far as I dentifying the chassis without the original cabinet...I hope when my service manual gets here it will give some pointers. There are some stamped numbers and some inked numbers on the chassis as well as some paper lables. Sadly whats on some of the paper lables has just about evaporated. None of said markings match what Mike said to me, so we shall see.

I hate to tie up the Tube forum with this SS rubbish :nono: but maybe this will help others pick the tubie units from the SS? If there is the desire to see the similar but different 1RP637 chassis I can get some pictures up tomorrow. I don't know the vintage of this unit as it is new to me and the PO was an estate dealer so only god knows when it manufactured/purchased, some of the components have late '65 and early '66 tags. I will say the quality of my '64 1ST635 is much better than the latter 1RP637. The quality is not only evident in the chassis but also in the cabinetry. Real wood and real wood veneer vs. some wood and some veneer and some plastic grained to look like wood.

larryderouin
03-16-2010, 07:40 AM
The TO-3's can be replaced with GE-03's (the matched pair# is GE-13). They are hard to find but can be had. RCA SK series can be gotten from TALON Electronics. They ARE germaniums. the small transistors (36-1p or similar) can be replaced with NTE 102 or 102A (can't remember which tho.).

The RF Shielding has NO transistors inside. That chassis is similar to the one in my 1st3700 from '67.

Really easy to recap. about 20 caps total. Surprisingly most of the caps are nichicons, and I've found that most all of them I've pulled from the 4 I've re-capped have been in good shape.

The caps underneathlook to have been done already. The original were blue nichicons. The one's underneath look like aerovox, or similar. but they definately aren't originals. the ones on top are all originals.

Mike's manuals are everybit as good as Ricks @ stereomanuals, and in some cases better. Mikes binding is better. Other than that it's a tossup. AND you cna overhaul the 600 series Micromatics with the manual too.

Larry

coffee123
03-26-2010, 02:12 AM
Im still trying to identify the year of my Magnasonic, its a model 252b mono, with the AM/FM tuner and green tuning eye, aux input and 3 speed collaro changer with the eariler rocker switch style needle. Its got the fat model 142-aa amp, and the dat code on the speakers is 545. I had read that only one year had a mono tuner with the green eye. And i have seen no mention of the 252b anywhere! With my 1959 Imperial Provincial, ive got some rareish maggies, thats for sure. Can anyone shed some light on this bad boy?

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/autocomman/New%20maggie/modeltag.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/autocomman/New%20maggie/front.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn136/autocomman/New%20maggie/topopen.jpg

Mark

markus
03-26-2010, 06:05 AM
Im still trying to identify the year of my Magnasonic, its a model 252b mono, with the AM/FM tuner and green tuning eye, aux input and 3 speed collaro changer with the eariler rocker switch style needle. Its got the fat model 142-aa amp, and the dat code on the speakers is 545. I had read that only one year had a mono tuner with the green eye. And i have seen no mention of the 252b anywhere! With my 1959 Imperial Provincial, ive got some rareish maggies, thats for sure. Can anyone shed some light on this bad boy?

Mark

based on that date code (45th week of 1955), and the fact that I've got it's Sentinel - branded twin, I say 1956 :thmbsp:

TheRed1
03-29-2010, 05:27 PM
Coffee123, I have ads for the 252M from Oct. '54 and June '55, so I'd guess it's a 1955 model. The "M" appears to stand for mahogany. I have no idea what wood a "B" might stand for . . . birch? It's obviously not a blond cabinet which are sometimes referenced with the letter "B". It's certainly very attractive.

From June 1955:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxMagnasonic252MJun55.jpg

Wavebourn
03-29-2010, 06:41 PM
I've got mine, recently. Currently I use it's speakers with an external Sony receiver, connected through 10 Ohm / 1 Ohm attenuators. Gorgeous sound!

http://wavebourn.com/images/audio/magnavoxas3.gif

coffee123
03-29-2010, 07:22 PM
Thats the one, i doubted it be a 56 as the dates on the speaks are late 55 I wasnt sure, and like i said i remember reading somewhere only 1 year had the mono tuner with the green eye.....good to see the info!!

Mark



Coffee123, I have ads for the 252M from Oct. '54 and June '55, so I'd guess it's a 1955 model. The "M" appears to stand for mahogany. I have no idea what wood a "B" might stand for . . . birch? It's obviously not a blond cabinet which are sometimes referenced with the letter "B". It's certainly very attractive.

From June 1955:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/MagnavoxMagnasonic252MJun55.jpg

larryderouin
03-29-2010, 07:43 PM
Coffee.........Think of dating these things like a car. The new car year starts in Sept. Most of the new year models for appliances come out in Sept. also. Ad's for the new stuff comes out about mid July/early August.

Larry

coffee123
03-30-2010, 10:25 PM
I figured that....and i also figured there wold be some variance, as with the cars, ive seen new model years as early as may and as late as october!

Mark

spaceman
05-01-2010, 04:19 PM
Kind of a long shot, but any ideas what this has for an amp & speakers? The price isn't bad, but transporting it home could be kinda rough by taxi, lol. :D

markus
05-01-2010, 04:56 PM
Kind of a long shot, but any ideas what this has for an amp & speakers? The price isn't bad, but transporting it home could be kinda rough by taxi, lol. :D

no concrete idea . . . but I've heard some of the 1961/1962 have the 88 series chassis . . .

jeffhamman
05-02-2010, 09:29 PM
Kind of a long shot, but any ideas what this has for an amp & speakers? The price isn't bad, but transporting it home could be kinda rough by taxi, lol. :D

These would of had a mono amp142,149 or maybe the amp128 or similar with 2@5y3 rectifiers and with 4@ 6v6 push pull parallel mono with the 2 12" and 2 5 tweeters. these are excellent sounding units.

nelsress
05-03-2010, 03:37 PM
Interesting thread. A couple months ago I picked up a late forties Magnavox with an old Webster TT (marked Magnavox on top but tagged Webster underneath), a radio and a speaker. This thing is really put together! It's solid mahogany and the lumber on the frames of the doors are at least 3/4" thick, not vaneer, solid. Amazing. This particular cabinet could also be ordered with a TV on the one side. Mine didn't have the TV so instead there are two shelves to hold quite a few records. I'm not sure what to do with the thing but I think I'll see if I can at least get the radio to work. I don't know how to put photos on these posts but here's a link to one just like the one I got that is currently for sale in NH, http://www.newhampshiresuperads.com/art_and_antiques_For_Sale/C534A572261P1/MAGNAVOX_CONSOLE_radio_phonograph.aspx. I showed some pics to a friend who's into old radios and he said it's a good radio and should work without too much effort/cost. Cheers!

Tube Radio
05-03-2010, 04:19 PM
Nelsress, you will need to replace all electrolytic capacitors in that radio as well as all paper capacitors. You will need to check the resistors and replace all that are out of tolerance or save the trouble of checking the resistors and just replace them all like I do.

larryderouin
05-12-2010, 08:09 AM
Not to get off the subject....."TUBED MAGGIES". Here's a link to the 1963 Magnavox Catalog. All Solid State, but interesting none the less. Note how they "dis" tubes in their inherent inefficiency.

1963 was 1st year for ASTRO-SONICS.

http://photobucket.com/images/magnavox%20catalog%201963/

Larry

Pianist
11-07-2010, 11:16 AM
The owner of this console let me take out the speakers for $20. I am only interested in 15" woofers. Do you think that this console has a pair inside? It's one hour away and the owner can't confirm.

PatA
11-07-2010, 11:44 AM
The owner of this console let me take out the speakers for $20. I am only interested in 15" woofers. Do you think that this console has a pair inside? It's one hour away and the owner can't confirm.

Consoles this size generally have 12" side firing woofers. Not saying they aren't 15" but not likely.

larryderouin
11-07-2010, 06:38 PM
10" or 12 " side firing are common in the smaller cabinets. I have 3 Maggies and ony 1 has 12" and it's a 67 that's 70" long. the smaller cabnets (46-52") which that one 2 posts up is, would more likely have 10'''ers.

Larry

bobabode
02-28-2011, 03:07 PM
What have we here? Stereo or mono, I see two horns and two amps?Cheers, Bob

truetone36
02-28-2011, 03:13 PM
That's a mono console from C. 1955.

bobabode
02-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Thanks Truetone.
So, that's the tuner opposite the speakers. Do you know which amp is in there? Any info on the speakers?
I looked around at Magnavoxfriends and shedradios. Thanks in advance for any additional light shed on this.
Cheers, Bob.

TheRed1
02-28-2011, 04:58 PM
Bobabode, that is Magnavox's 1957 Brittany model - an odd but very interesting console. It's not quite stereo but it isn't mono either. There are actually two separate power amps but I don't believe it's set up for true stereo. The second amp is only 10 watts (advertised) compared to the 25 watt main amp. It was designed to power an extension speaker. It may be possible to convert it to stereo. It's got one 15", one 12" and two horn speakers. It has inputs for adding a tape player and, according to the ads: the cabinet is SOLID cherry.

Magnavox was pulling out all the stops on this one. It may have been the '57 equivalent of a Concert Grand! (They came out the next year.) I wouldn't be sitting and thinking very long on this one.

ke4mcl
02-28-2011, 06:04 PM
heres the docs that came with my 58 concert grand.
http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/secretagentxxx/magnavox%20concert%20grande%20docs/

im the second owner. dual biamp chassis, (2) 15" and two horns. its the one in my avatar. note preceiver. its not the maggie original. its actually a pilot that was a perfect fit and sounded better. looks right though.

gadget73
02-28-2011, 07:35 PM
Thanks Truetone.
So, that's the tuner opposite the speakers. Do you know which amp is in there? Any info on the speakers?
I looked around at Magnavoxfriends and shedradios. Thanks in advance for any additional light shed on this.
Cheers, Bob.

If you lived closer to me, I'd happily give you the remote speaker cabinet that matches that console. I dont know what may be in your particular setup, but what originally lived in my speaker was a bi-amp AMP150 (or whatever the other one is thats basically identical). The main console had the same thing, plus a mono AM/FM tuner and a stereo turntable. That speaker cabinet no longer has an amp inside. Its being used with an old Williamson amp I'm still seeking a mate to, but quite frankly I'd be happier to see it with a matching cabinet and in use than sitting in my shed for shop radio duty. Its a darn fine sounding speaker though with the little crossover I whacked together for it. That old 15" woofer really makes the walls shake with 25 watts or so driving it.

Racer
02-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Hi all, it´s my first (I think) post here. As I love this consoles and looking this thread I remembered an old console in my grandma´s house. Took a pair of photos with the phone. Has cassette deck and all I know is that is a Magnavox. I had not the chance to search for some numbers, but here are the pics.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/961eb7e96a.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8e9c606d58.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

beatcomber
03-01-2011, 12:02 AM
Bobabode, that is Magnavox's 1957 Brittany model - an odd but very interesting console. It's not quite stereo but it isn't mono either. There are actually two separate power amps but I don't believe it's set up for true stereo.

Stereo LPs didn't hit the market until early '58.

TheRed1
03-01-2011, 06:12 AM
Stereo LPs didn't hit the market until early '58.True, but there were several other sources for stereo signals that were available at that time: stereo tapes, Cook stereo discs and multicasting radio stations. Fisher introduced their first stereo console in 1956. The fact that Magnavox was advertising that the Brittany had tape inputs makes me suspect that it may have had some sort of stereo capability but that is just speculation.

bobabode
03-01-2011, 11:55 PM
It is in my garage!! Amp 162BB is the main amp, other amp is 101AA. Looks pretty unmolested. In the small amp there are a couple of Sprage orange drops. it came with the companion speaker.:D I'll snap some pics and post 'em up in a day or so. There's an envelope with some docs and a manual. Thanks guys ! Bob

M.Yu
03-02-2011, 04:24 AM
These are a couple of my Magnavox consoles. The 228 H I think is a 1959 Magnificent Magnavox Belvedere. Mono Bi-amped 162 with 15in woofer and 15in horn (I am looking for this horn!) The 3rd pic is from an AK thread, not my unit, but shows the horn I am missing.

The other is a model SK 297, 1961, a single of a pair. This one has the record changer, no tuner. Not sure the model name the amp is 169BB. This cabinet has a 4-way speaker system with 2 4in tweets, a 7in mid and a 15inch woofer.

I am looking for another 162 mono and 169BB amp. I have almost all the drivers to make a matching pair of either except the 15 inch horn.

The 228 has a relay box that says Amp 177 AAA with a 12AX7 in it that plugs into the main amp. Any ideas about how this works? I have yet to see it anywhere else.

I am in need of an eye tube for the Magnificent's receiver as well

TheRed1
03-02-2011, 04:17 PM
Bobabode: Wow! The extension speaker and documentation to boot! Same thing happened to me recently when I went to get my '59 Fisher Contemporary II. As an afterthought the lady said: "Oh, I think there's an extra speaker that goes with this in the basement - do you want that, too?" That unit had a Fisher 30-A amp and 3 NOS RCA 6BQ5s tucked up inside it - that was essentially free with the purchase of the main Fisher console.

You didn't happen to get a '57 Magnavox catalog in envelope with the manual, did you? Man would that ever fill in a lot of holes in the Magnavox database.

Based on the control panel it doesn't appear to be a true stereo console. Are the tape inputs stereo or mono? Does the manual say anything about stereo?

M.Yu: That first Magnavox console is beautiful. I believe that model was the Berkshire. It was a offered 1955-1958. The SK-297 was called the Magnasonic Special. It was an early stereo model only available in 1958. There should be two matching units, though. Do you have the other one?

You can find detail information about both models over at Shed Radios. Click through the 1958 catalog he has kindly made available on his website. The Berkshire is shown on page 7 (with its doors open) and the Magnasonic Special is shown on page 17:

http://www.shedradios.com/magnavox.html

EDIT: Bobabode! Just noticed that the Brittany model was apparently also available in '58. It's sitting right next to M.Yu's Berkshire on page 7 of the '58 Magnavox catalog I mentioned above. And they are claiming that it was indeed stereophonic!

bobabode
03-02-2011, 04:30 PM
No catalogue. The envelope has the manual & gold seal certificate. No mention of stereo capability. Here's some pics of the amp also extension speaker. Last is the main speaker set.The two horns are Jensens', the 12" and 15" are Magnavox. The remote speaker is powered by the little amp. The turntable isn't a Collaro. It's a 4 speed with a lightly built arm. Looked for schematic-no joy. 162BB and 101AA amps . I'll have to ask over at the digital docs forum. I'll be happy to scan any of the docs I have with it. I'll PM you once that is done. Thanks for hard your work. This is a good reference thread. Cheers, Bob

TheRed1
03-02-2011, 05:00 PM
The turntable isn't a Collaro. It's a 4 speed with a lightly built arm.Does it have a stereo cartridge?

bobabode
03-02-2011, 05:17 PM
I'll check and get back to you this evening.

M.Yu
03-02-2011, 05:43 PM
@ TheRed1: Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it.

I do not have the other cabinet of the Magnasonic special. The one I have looks like it had 2 amps in it and one is missing.

It does have a very clean Collaro Record player. I have a couple of those if anyone needs parts btw.

The model tag for the Berkshire has a 9 as the first digit so I thought '59

Know where I might find the horn for my Berkshire? All I have seen are the smaller 10in with the green caps.

Thanks again for the link and everyone's hard work at compiling the database.

jeffhamman
03-02-2011, 06:31 PM
I posted a 1957 magnavox phonograph brochure on magnavoxfriends, yahoo groups site. Look under rjh0566 photos. It has your model on there. If you dont belong you should join with that item. very nice.

bobabode
03-03-2011, 04:09 PM
I posted a 1957 magnavox phonograph brochure on magnavoxfriends, yahoo groups site. Look under rjh0566 photos. It has your model on there. If you dont belong you should join with that item. very nice.

Hi Jeff, Thanks.Got a look at your pics. To my old eyes they're a little blurry. Could you send me a copy? I'll pm you w/ my email address. Thanks and I'll post over there as soon as time allows. Bob
ps is your avatar is the concert grand amp? couple of extra tubes in yours

bobabode
03-04-2011, 11:08 PM
Does it have a stereo cartridge?

Only two wires from the cartridge,it has the flip stylus-LP/78. The input is single on the power amp, i'm thinkin' mono, tho not sure as yet. Cheers, Bob

larryderouin
03-05-2011, 07:24 PM
Saved a good looking '64 Magnasonic (mini console....Damn this thing is small) from certain destruction at the Salvation Army today.

The asst. Mgr, stated he wasn't gonna sell it, as he didn't want it in the store in the 1st place. The MGR, said if you want it give me a price. I told him considering the top had a broken piece around the handle, $10.00. I agreed and helped me get it to the car.

Brought it home, plugged it in to the DBT. HUMMMMMM!M!M!M!MMM!M!M!M!M but got sound from both channels. Luckily I had some caps left over from other projects and had enough to do the whole thing plus the DIODES. Took about 1 hour, and plugged it back in to the DBT and powered it up. NO HUMMM! HOT DAMN. Took the Turntable and cleaned it up and relubed, got a spare stylus off another Maggie in the house and proceeded to blast the house with 2wpc of Jimmy Dorsey and Benny Goodman.

Model # 1cs601 WALNUT RUN 6. It looks like a Modern Cabinet with Spindle legs. And it came with Doc's but not filled out. Oh Well, can't have everything. It's small enough that the Left side doesn't open up, just the right side.


The cabinet pic is a Before, the other two are afters.


Larry

larryderouin
03-06-2011, 08:55 AM
Bodabode; That turntable looks like a mid 60's low end BSR that would have gone in an Admiral console. I have a parts unit that looks very similar to yours.

Dig up an early Micromatic from somewhere and drop it in there. Anything is better than that BSR.

Larry

gadget73
03-06-2011, 09:59 AM
The 228 has a relay box that says Amp 177 AAA with a 12AX7 in it that plugs into the main amp. Any ideas about how this works? I have yet to see it anywhere else.



I believe that is the phono amp for the external speaker / amp. The one I had was mono radio with a stereo phono. It used that little 1 tube thing to give the same gain that the other channel got running through the tuner / preamp.

TheRed1
03-06-2011, 10:32 AM
Model # 1cs601 WALNUT RUN 6. It looks like a Modern Cabinet with Spindle legs. And it came with Doc's but not filled out. Oh Well, can't have everything. It's small enough that the Left side doesn't open up, just the right side.

"Gliding top pane opens to record player and all controls - does not disturb top-of-set accessories." Larry, did your X-10 come with its original top-of-set accessories: the art glass bowl of wax fruit? Or did the folks at the S.A. have that for sale in a separate area? Kidding aside, that is a very Mod looking little console. Without the legs it's not that much bigger than my Magnavox table-top radio. Very cool!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/64%20Magnavox%20Catalog/63MagnavoxCat19.jpg

magnasonic66
03-07-2011, 07:21 AM
I bought a blonde Belvedere with its companion speaker back a couple of years ago. It was so clean and complete, but didn't have any paperwork if I recall. I need to get it into a private room, away from the kitten.

larryderouin
03-07-2011, 09:10 AM
Red: No it didn't come with the bowl of Fruit. LOL! But the damn thing is so small SWMBO walked right by it and didn't notice it until I pointed it out. And it was running at the time. "Oh that's cute!", after I asked if she had seen what she just walked past.

So much for situational awareness.

It definately needs a new stylus. I stripped one off another Maggie for testing. It sounds good for a small Maggie. Nice and clear. It does buzz a little with deep bass on the Left channel (haven't pulled the speakers to check for damage yet.). Looks like 6x9's on the sides and 4" on the front face.

The W603 was in surprisingly great shape. Very little needed to be done to it other than a little oil and Lithium grease. Cleaned it up and reset all the adjustments.

I like this one more than the slightly larger 1cp605.

Larry

M.Yu
03-07-2011, 09:13 AM
@Gadget73- Thanks! That small unit was the object of much speculation. It makes sense now that you have explained it. It always seems to afterwards ;)

bobabode
03-07-2011, 10:42 PM
Bodabode; That turntable looks like a mid 60's low end BSR that would have gone in an Admiral console. I have a parts unit that looks very similar to yours.

Dig up an early Micromatic from somewhere and drop it in there. Anything is better than that BSR.

Larry

Thanks, Larry.

Ben Snider
08-20-2011, 11:33 PM
I just purchased a 1959 Magnavox Symphonette and it doesn't seem to turn on when it is plugged in. I am mechanically inclined and familiar with computers, but not familiar with record players....any suggestions?

Kingfisher
08-21-2011, 08:21 PM
I just purchased a 1959 Magnavox Symphonette and it doesn't seem to turn on when it is plugged in. I am mechanically inclined and familiar with computers, but not familiar with record players....any suggestions?

Ben,
Does anything light up, or is it just the turntable that doesn't work? Also, you really should plug it into a variac before turning it on...bring up the AC current SLOWLY.

Hippostar
10-04-2011, 01:05 PM
I've had this one now for several months, but haven't yet been able to find a positive ID for the exact model name, style, etc. Based on the date codes of the speakers and transformers, it looks to be a 1961.

It seems a little unusual to me, as it is quite small compared to most other models -- approx 40" x 18" x 27". Otherwise, here are all of the specs and numbers I could find:

Model: 1ST278R
Serial: 1269679
Cabinet: JC-1-42, 693898-2, 277/278-MAH
Amp: 8601-10 (SE 6BQ5), 542115
Tuner/pre-amp: 5930-00
12" woofer: 581201-1, 270135
5" mid/tweeter: 580503-1, 575135

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853&pictureid=12122 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853)

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853&pictureid=12120 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853)

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853&pictureid=12123 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1853)

More pictures here... (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/album.php?albumid=1853)

Would love to find out anything more I could about it! :)

M.Yu
10-04-2011, 01:25 PM
I have one very similar to that, a 1ST300.
It has a 88xx series (I think) 6V6 PP stereo amp and a Micromatic changer.

My speaker set up is the same but the tuner/pre-amp is in the middle though.

Mine has no ID on the cabinet or the amp just the model sticker on the back.

It sounds excellent!

romper
10-19-2011, 07:57 PM
I just purchased a 1ST259 F. The radio works fine, but the turntable does not work at all. Any thoughts on which tube needs replaced. Super newbie btw

kb8dns
10-29-2011, 05:10 PM
Found my first stereo Maggie console! Not sure of the model number but definitely stereo with four 6v6s. Photo is from this thread and is very close to what is in the console. AM / FM receiver and phono. I did not get a good look at the speakers but 12 to 15 inch woofers with the possibility of horn midrange.
I get to pick it up this coming week.... the price! I did a swap of an old set of skis and a Kodak projector along with 25 bucks it is mine! :banana:
Sadly the cabinet is in rough shape and I am gutting it for the electronics and speakers.... :tears:

poikaa

ictwoody
12-30-2012, 11:27 AM
Thats the one, i doubted it be a 56 as the dates on the speaks are late 55 I wasnt sure, and like i said i remember reading somewhere only 1 year had the mono tuner with the green eye.....good to see the info!!

Mark

Bumping this old thread. A buddy of mine has a 252M and he migh be willing to trade it to me for a SS integrated I have. My question is does anyone know if is a stereo unit, or is the amp mono?

I don't mind spending the money to get the amp going, but I don't have any use for a mono amp right now.

- Woody

bobabode
12-30-2012, 02:58 PM
Bumping this old thread. A buddy of mine has a 252M and he migh be willing to trade it to me for a SS integrated I have. My question is does anyone know if is a stereo unit, or is the amp mono?

I don't mind spending the money to get the amp going, but I don't have any use for a mono amp right now.

- Woody

Might be stereo. The amp will have a number stamped in black ink on it, (top or side of chassis). Tube complement would tell the tale, too.

Apesbrain
01-08-2013, 07:18 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-35Channel.jpg

My father brought this set home when I was about 10 years old. He enjoyed listening to Pete Fountain and Herb Alpert. First thing of mine I ever played on it was "A Hard Day's Night" soundtrack. He got the version without the tuner. Later, he retrofitted it with an Eico FM stereo unit with the blue "tuning tube". Kind of nice to realize all these years later that my dad was an "audiophile", too.

Cygnus X1
03-29-2013, 07:42 PM
Also just picked up a stereo Belvedere just like that, but the TT is a poor quality 1979 Zenith retrofit.
No radio.
Question is, part it out altogether?
Or just use the amp/speakers for a foundation?

Also the cab is in rough shape.
I have no idea of how to restore veneered furniture.

ronrico
03-31-2013, 10:14 AM
I've come across a 1959 SC 211F in working condition. Any thoughts? Worth a restore?

holmesuser01
03-31-2013, 12:06 PM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/irwinbay/S-35Channel.jpg


Mom and dad bought this exact system in '59. No radio tuner. I still have the companion speaker, and the amplifier out of the system. It has never been re-capped, and has been used alot over the years. It's playing right now.

mikeNC
04-06-2013, 09:06 PM
any idea on what this thing might hold inside it? Found it for sale, but have not looked at it yet.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/1_zpsd8201e34.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/ww_zps661bffd3.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/ss_zpsad987e4b.jpg

holmesuser01
04-06-2013, 10:00 PM
Small tube amp with possibly 10 or 12 inch woofers. Outputs might be 6BQ5's

M.Yu
04-06-2013, 10:20 PM
Exactly... Holmesuser01 is spot on.

What a treat it is to receive such valuable info so quickly eh?

M

mikeNC
04-06-2013, 10:44 PM
Good candidate for stand alone amp or no?

M.Yu
04-06-2013, 10:51 PM
You an Elephant hunter? Wrong thread if you are looking for Ivory.

M

mikeNC
04-06-2013, 10:55 PM
That was a bit insensitive now that I think about it.

holmesuser01
04-07-2013, 08:15 AM
These little systems will make some lovely music if you install new capacitors. I am against the idea of a stand-alone amplifier, also.

They were designed to use the cabinet as part of the sound production.

EDIT: I dont mean to sound like an old purist. I LOVE me some tube amplifiers.

jshorva65
04-08-2013, 07:50 PM
any idea on what this thing might hold inside it? Found it for sale, but have not looked at it yet.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/1_zpsd8201e34.jpg


The cabinet almost looks like a mahogany version of my blonde Maggie from the same timeframe. Mine is identified as Model 1ST205W. Mine contains a 57-00-42 Tuner/Preamp chassis (with provisions for external MPX & Tape In/Out), AMP-175AA Power Supply & Amp chassis (Push-Pull 6V6 outputs), Collaro "Conquest" record changer, each channel has a 15" woofers, 4x8" oval midrange, & twin 4" tweeters (3-way 4-driver speaker system). Mine has been recapped, stylus replaced, & fitted with a (reversible) MPX mod courtesy of an orphan RCA RS-200-D MPX sub-chassis & some Molex & RCA connectors. I'm temporarily running it as a 2-way 6-driver speaker system (midranges disconnected) until the "rattling" left driver (part #584008) can be repaired or replaced. I'll be referring its repair to a speaker specialist in Cleveland who said it might be a loose glue joint at the spider, I just need to get the driver itself removed & sent to his shop for servicing. Still sounds great. Here are some pics of my Magnavox. Listening to Side 1 of Night Ranger's Dawn Patrol album now, in a stack that started with Side 4 of Frampton Comes Alive.

RWood
04-08-2013, 08:46 PM
MikeNC I think yours is different from the one directly above this, but it should be tubes and I would guess single ended 6BQ5 amps in there. Either that or push pull, maybe 6BQ5 or possible 6V6s. Yes, they make nice standalone amps. Sometimes the voltages run a little high without the tuner tubes loading it down, but that can be dealt with. Try to find out the chassis numbers on the amp and tuner.

What you do with the console ain't nobody's business but your own. I've kept some of the ones I have a good place for, and sent just as many to the dump. You're likely to hear other opinions on this, but if you get a hankering to swing a 16oz sledge on it, you've got my blessing.

RWood

jshorva65
04-08-2013, 09:01 PM
The only other issue besides that #584008 midrange needing attention is that I'll probably need to add MidiMagic's Collaro Conquest Anti-Skate mod & search for a mod to give more-precise regulation of tonearm setdown speed and/or force. The highly intermittent issue is that the tonearm setdown speed / force is sometimes sufficient to "bounce" the stylus out of the lead-in groove from an otherwise perfectly-positioned initial landing point, causing the landing point to "skip" prematurely one or more revolutions into the recorded part of the disc; while a more-consistent "skip" occurs early in the first song on certain 12" records. Applying a very light touch of a fingertip to provide the anti-skate resistance manually starting just before & removing just after the expected "skip" will provide just enough temporary resistance to prevent the skip from occurring, but it seems that Midi-Magic's mod would provide just enough additional anti-skate correction to compensate for what appears to be such a slight deficiency in the original design's fixed anti-skate force as to only be insufficient to maintain proper tracking during the first few seconds of certain records.

derekva
04-08-2013, 11:49 PM
any idea on what this thing might hold inside it? Found it for sale, but have not looked at it yet.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/1_zpsd8201e34.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/ww_zps661bffd3.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad182/buickRoady/ss_zpsad987e4b.jpg

Given the speaker complement and the preamp/tuner unit, I'm going to bet a AMP-196 (EL84 SE amp with 5U4 rectifier). My daughter has one in 'mahogany flouncy trim'.

-D

Trio
04-09-2013, 12:35 PM
MikeNC I think yours is different from the one directly above this, but it should be tubes and I would guess single ended 6BQ5 amps in there. Either that or push pull, maybe 6BQ5 or possible 6V6s. Yes, they make nice standalone amps. Sometimes the voltages run a little high without the tuner tubes loading it down, but that can be dealt with. Try to find out the chassis numbers on the amp and tuner.

What you do with the console ain't nobody's business but your own. I've kept some of the ones I have a good place for, and sent just as many to the dump. You're likely to hear other opinions on this, but if you get a hankering to swing a 16oz sledge on it, you've got my blessing.

RWood

I am inclined to agree. Growing up in the latter part of the "MOD" era, there were very few consoles that I liked the look of them. I have honestly lost track of how many of those I sent to their great rewards. Alternately too- I see them as viable candidates for revamping into something else. I had built a massive but reasonably delicate looking stereo cabinet that when it came time to replace it rather than move it, it's replacement was 1964 Zenith (I know this is a Maggie thread- but bear with me) That I took 4 inches off the face off another and attached it to the back, so the unit could sit in the middle of the room and look good.

I know "kids" today tend of gravitate to that "MOD" style these days, and would be upset that some of us would canibalize amps out of them, but the flip side is if it were not for those of us who did in such consoles, 1- there would be few stand alone Magnavox amps, 2- there would be no intrinsic value to those amps today (not that they require great sums of money for them these days).

I just bemoan the day when the "Dungeon Modern" style of early and mid 1970's* takes over, replete with red plaid 3 piece suits, oversized carved fork and spoon, tennis ball hair styles, and platform shoes.

*does not include component audio.

jshorva65
04-10-2013, 02:10 AM
I figure the "SP" in the model number must be stereo phonograph; "SR" stereo radio; "SC" stereo console. But I don't get the "ST" in the Stereo Master's model number.

The "ST" seems to indicate the top-of-the-line models such as the "Stereo Master" from my observations. If the features of my 1ST208F are indicative of a pattern, the "ST" may refer to provisions for connecting an optional external Stereo Tape unit, since the Selector on my 1ST208F has a Tape position and four RCA-type jacks with each pair identified as Tape input & Rec output on the Tuner/Preamp chassis apron near those where the MPX output & FM-MPX cables from the RS-200-D MPX unit are connected. Unfortunately, the cabinet back is not fitted with external access to those Tape jacks provided on the Tuner/Preamp chassis. The cabinet seems too small to accommodate adding a full-size 7"-reel tape deck, although an especially-compact unit similar to a Viking 86 might have fit at the expense of the record storage space & smaller "filler" panel inside the left-side compartment where the Ext Speaker selector switch is located. I'm actually considering the feasibility of providing external Tape connections in a manner giving the mounting of the external jack panel and its labeling an appearance reasonably approximating the way a true OEM provision of that feature might have appeared. Ultimately, the manner of mounting & labeling for the Antenna terminals seems indicative of how OEM connections for Tape should have looked. Another feature complement likely to be found on mainly the "ST" models seems to be the use of the 15" woofers in a 3-way 4-speaker system (dual as opposed to single tweeters) & push-pull 6V6 power amps instead of the single-ended 6BQ5 amp used in the lower-end models.

UPDATE: I just scored an original Magnavox MPX unit for this model, the two-tube Magnavox type 7002-00 on fleaBay. It cost me $25 plus shipping. So, I'll be removing the recapped & aligned RCA RS-200-D & the power cable I added once the OEM-correct unit arrives & goes through its recapping & alignment. From there, the RCA unit goes back in a protective storage box for later use; quite possibly as a known-working MPX "bench testing" unit. When troubleshooting tube MPX tuners, it's usually helpful to have a known-good unit that I can power from a Heathkit IP-32 or similar supply to verify that a malfunctioning tuner's composite MPX output signal is indeed usable. I also have a (solid state) tuner with its composite MPX signal available from an OEM-provided external jack. Basically the FM MPX equivalent of a TV service bench having a tuner-subber & known-good IF strip available for signal-substitution.

jshorva65
04-10-2013, 02:40 AM
I am inclined to agree. Growing up in the latter part of the "MOD" era, there were very few consoles that I liked the look of them. I have honestly lost track of how many of those I sent to their great rewards. Alternately too- I see them as viable candidates for revamping into something else. I had built a massive but reasonably delicate looking stereo cabinet that when it came time to replace it rather than move it, it's replacement was 1964 Zenith (I know this is a Maggie thread- but bear with me) That I took 4 inches off the face off another and attached it to the back, so the unit could sit in the middle of the room and look good.

I know "kids" today tend of gravitate to that "MOD" style these days, and would be upset that some of us would canibalize amps out of them, but the flip side is if it were not for those of us who did in such consoles, 1- there would be few stand alone Magnavox amps, 2- there would be no intrinsic value to those amps today (not that they require great sums of money for them these days).

I just bemoan the day when the "Dungeon Modern" style of early and mid 1970's* takes over, replete with red plaid 3 piece suits, oversized carved fork and spoon, tennis ball hair styles, and platform shoes.

*does not include component audio.

I tend to prefer preserving the more "deluxe" models like my 1ST205W Maggie & there's one notable RCA (3VF619) with 12's, P-P 6BQ5 amp, & Tape In/Out (with external connections via a pair of 3-pin jacks on the cabinet back), & my RCA 3VF405 in a smaller cabinet with the same chassis complement as the '619' & 8" woofers instead of the 12's in the gigantic '619' model. I built my first tube guitar amp from a $6 thrift store score of a monaural phono console with a 10" woofer & P-P 6V6 amp chassis. Adding a small sub-chassis with one more 12AX7 tube, additional control pots, & the 1/4" jack for the guitar input created a decent standalone amp. I sold the changer chassis separately & that paid for the original thrift store purchase & recovered the cost of the additional parts, so that 10W 1x10 combo guitar amp was a "free for the labor of building it" thing for me. The original tube complement, IIRC, was 1x12AX7, 2x6V6, 1x5U4 & became 2x12AX7 with the additional 12AX7 for the 2-stage guitar preamp. I was about 14 then & stereo was my preference for the listening room, so anything monaural with a transformer-type power supply was fair game for guitar & vocal amp conversions.

jshorva65
04-10-2013, 05:38 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the earliest Jensen speakers were actually imitations of Magnavox speaker designs, basically that Jensen started out making Magnavox knock-offs & attempting to match and/or surpass their quality & that the 4x10" compression horn "greenback" tweeters in later Magnavox (Astro-Sonic era) models were actually consumer-grade one-piece versions of Electro-Voice horns, basically just smaller versions built as sealed one-piece assemblies of driver/horn combinations typically made as two-piece modular horns & drivers with higher ratings by EV; so essentially EV horns scaled-down to meet consumer-grade cost & size requirements.

Vinylmasters
04-19-2013, 04:56 PM
Just ran across this one on Craigslist!

http://albany.craigslist.org/ele/3753791709.html

RWood
04-19-2013, 11:50 PM
Just ran across this one on Craigslist!

Be forewarned: AstroSonic means solid state. Not to say that is bad, I like the sound of mine, but it should command a very low price compared to a tube unit.

The earliest AstroSonics did not change external styling from the last of the tube units, with the exception of that moniker. You're lucky that the ad reveals this; many of us have tracked them down based on a bad picture, only to be disappointed.

RWood

Dswankey
05-06-2013, 09:26 PM
Magnavox trash day on the street find.

Model # 1ST61 4R?
TT Model#R600 Micromatic
Chassis # 636826-6?

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=428762&stc=1&d=1367893348

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=428763&stc=1&d=1367893399

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=428764&stc=1&d=1367893448

Internet pic, not mine but looks exactly the same.
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=428765&stc=1&d=1367893488

Phototone
05-07-2013, 08:56 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the earliest Jensen speakers were actually imitations of Magnavox speaker designs, basically that Jensen started out making Magnavox knock-offs & attempting to match and/or surpass their quality & that the 4x10" compression horn "greenback" tweeters in later Magnavox (Astro-Sonic era) models were actually consumer-grade one-piece versions of Electro-Voice horns, basically just smaller versions built as sealed one-piece assemblies of driver/horn combinations typically made as two-piece modular horns & drivers with higher ratings by EV; so essentially EV horns scaled-down to meet consumer-grade cost & size requirements.

I believe Jensen was the man/inventor who founded Magnavox in the 'teens, and later left and formed Jensen.

RWood
05-07-2013, 09:20 AM
Magnavox trash day on the street find.

Model # 1ST61 4R?
TT Model#R600 Micromatic
Chassis # 636826-6?
Internet pic, not mine but looks exactly the same.


That's an 8800 amp - very nice find. Tube tuner/pre, too of course. Note that the preamp tube 6EU7 is mounted on the tuner chassis.

RWood

holmesuser01
05-07-2013, 09:50 AM
Just ran across this one on Craigslist!

http://albany.craigslist.org/ele/3753791709.html

I have the exact same Maggie. It's not worth $200.

Mine came with 4 spare new needles and a pair of new cartridges.

I play my 78's on it.

Dswankey
05-07-2013, 09:52 AM
That's an 8800 amp - very nice find. Tube tuner/pre, too of course. Note that the preamp tube 6EU7 is mounted on the tuner chassis.

RWood

I'm not questioning you but does 8802 sound right? that's whats stamped on the chassis.

RWood
05-07-2013, 03:51 PM
Yes, I should have said 88xx as they are variants of the same series with four 6V6s, 6EU7s, 6CA4, no choke, no 5V rectifier, smaller OTs than the 93xx series but they sound great.
Lots of info here on those amps.

I have that rig in an Airline cabinet in my living room - the wife even knows how to work it!

RWood

PS I saw Lesh use that bass in the summer of '74. Seastones!

Dswankey
05-07-2013, 05:19 PM
Yes, I should have said 88xx as they are variants of the same series with four 6V6s, 6EU7s, 6CA4, no choke, no 5V rectifier, smaller OTs than the 93xx series but they sound great.
Lots of info here on those amps.

I have that rig in an Airline cabinet in my living room - the wife even knows how to work it!

RWood

PS I saw Lesh use that bass in the summer of '74. Seastones!

Thanks for clarafication, do you use the matching tube tuner/preamp?

Oh and I never got to see Phil use that bad boy I saw him in 85 at the Richmond Coliseum, he and the boys smoked the place, uncorked a killer Jack Straw towards end of first set and his bass was thumpin' all night.

RWood
05-07-2013, 08:34 PM
Well then both of our shows have been graced by a Dick's Picks release. Mine was on #31.

Yes, I do use the tuner/pre. It's either the 5700 series or the 7600, I can never keep them straight.

Here are some pictures of the rig. We mainly use it for satellite radio, and have extension speakers in the Kitchen. During the holidays it was on for 8-10 hours a day and never so much as burped.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/Airline-Magnavox-Dual013_zps97b3dc39.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/MagnavoxamptunerinAirlineconsole005.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/MagnavoxampamptunerinAirlineconsole004_zpsd299e28c .jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/MagnavoxamptunerinAirlineconsole008.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/MagnavoxamptunerinAirlineconsole010.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/RWoodVa/Magnavox/MagnavoxamptunerinAirlineconsole014.jpg

Phil73
06-11-2013, 02:07 PM
Everyone: love your Maggies and the info. I'd like to share mine(from Craigslist) and ask if anyone has this, can verify if it is a 1957 or 1958, as I can't read the stamped ink on the inside cabinet divider. Here's some info and photos.

Model 294H (no indications of being stereo, so mono)
AMP-142CC
Tuner CR745BB
Looks like solid cherry
Record player works, but erratic(needs cleaning and lube)
No radio (did work intermittently on one or two AM stations only, but now just a hum and eventually a highpitch whine, very quiet after warmup).
Tuning eye looks frozen in one position - doesn't function, but just lights up

Does anyone have any brochure info to verify a date and any other info? I understand that I will need to replace caps, resistors, and check tubes(?). It's a beauty, 15" and 12" speakers, and two smaller 5 " (?) ..haven't measured them. I see a plug with no tube on far left of amp -says it's a Phono Motor - any idea if that should/shouldn't be empty? Also-I see places on the back of the receiver where something could be plugged in (left and right side) and a plug that looks like a house plug..surely not...but any idea what its function was designed to do and isn't used in this model?

Thanks for any feedback and again, love all your Maggies.

M.Yu
06-11-2013, 04:06 PM
Beautiful piece! Super find!

jshorva65
06-12-2013, 07:20 PM
I see a plug with no tube on far left of amp -says it's a Phono Motor - any idea if that should/shouldn't be empty? Also-I see places on the back of the receiver where something could be plugged in (left and right side) and a plug that looks like a house plug..surely not...but any idea what its function was designed to do and isn't used in this model?

Thanks for any feedback and again, love all your Maggies.

That amp looks like a mono power amp using banks of paralleled 6V6 in push-pull. According to the brochures from the early part of the thread, there was a "stereo channel" available which presumably contained the other channel's power amp and speakers in a separate matching cabinet without the control panel & tuner (slave to this one as its master). There's a "Tape" position on the selector, just like on my 1ST208F. Presumably, those chassis were also available in cabinets large enough to fit a R/R Tape deck, and the AC outlet and Tape in/out jacks were for use with the (possibly Collaro with a Magnavox badge like the phono) tape deck. I fitted mine with the reversible mod of a 1/8"-stereo to dual-RCA cable with a built-in strain-relief exiting via an existing vent hole in the back cover. Switching the selector to "Tape" allows use with an external CD or mp3 player in addition to its built-in radio / phono.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=436265&stc=1&d=1371083626

jshorva65
06-12-2013, 08:23 PM
Recently, I scored the correct original Magnavox FM-MPX sub-chassis for my console. The tuner / preamp chassis on most of these units have a pair of "MPX-Out" jacks, (identified as "Main" and "Sub") and a pair of "MPX-In" jachs ("Ch-1" & "Ch-2") in addition to the "Tape In" and "Rec Out" connections. Those MPX units were intended to be installed in single-cabinet stereo models like mine or two-piece systems with both channels present. Early MPX units were three-tube, later versions were two-tube, and their power comes from the power supply / power amp chassis by connecting the unit's multi-conductor cable to the socket where the tuner / preamp had been connected and plugging the tuner / preamp into a duplicate connector on the MPX unit. Essentially, the MPX unit connects "inline" between the power / amp and tuner / preamp chassis like an "extension" of the original cabling. As was common during that era, there are no provisions for operating a "Stereo-indicator" lamp. I seem to recall RCA, Sherwood, and Heathkit being the first to place a neon tube in the plate-load circuit of the 38-kHz doubler stage which would illuminate when the voltage drop across its plate load became sufficient to ionize the neon in the indicator lamp, which occurred only when the doubler was producing the resultant 38-kHz output in response to the presence of a 19-kHz pilot tone at its input from reception of a stereo-encoded broadcast.

24HACKER
06-13-2013, 10:36 AM
My father was the Personnel Director in the 50's and 60's. I wish he would have bought more gear - but hey - with 5 kids we were lucky to have just one Magnavox.

Phil73
06-13-2013, 04:09 PM
M.Yu - thank you; actually everything works,but cleaning, lubrication, and other usuals will get it back in order.

Jshorva65 - After a Google search, I found some other relevant ak.org threads that included a lot of discussion on the (in my case 142-CC)built in features that would enable external speakers. Some YouTube videos were helpful,too.

So, my model 294H/142CC amp has(I discovered later)a stamp on the inside divider cabinet of Oct.23, 1957. The speakers have 58XXXXX stamped along with 232XX which I've learned(if right) are CTS(and I'm not a guru to know who that is, good or bad).
I do have the push-pull with four 6V6 configured and in the back there is a panel, inaccessible unless the back is pulled off, that has the FM - AM - G - Ch1 - Ch 2 (see attached pics).

I don't undersand why Magnavox would offer a switch to Phono/Tape when there is no tape, but it makes sense if they enabled a output plug to use, for one. Understand what you said about space for a tape player, but why label TAPE if there's no jack outlet or port(?). But I do see how the left and right RCA plug ports would be used for an external speaker, along with that outlet plug for the external speaker.

Since my unit has no indication of stereo, do I understand correctly that the external speaker would have volume, bass, treble, balance controls or some kind of controls, too? I'd like to see one.

The other real mystery is the empty tube socket, etched with the identification:
"Phono Motor". I wonder how this would be utilized, if some other feature was purchased(?). Facing front of unit, it's on the very top, right corner of the phono-amp. chassis.

You have a different unit that enables stereo (FM-MPX). I don't see the options for any stereo output, unless I am looking in the wrong place. Glad you were able to get the right chassis for FM-Mpx, though.

I'm no where as knowledgeable as you and many others, but have some pretty basic skills. I've got a friend who worked years in the tube/ss area and was thinking of approaching him for help or the work - do not want to mess up a vintage piece, even though I easily built a Heathkit at age 13...(1963).

Thanks for your reply, which helped me "see" a little more into what is possible. I love the MP3 idea - or tape,etc. I hope to do the same.

Phil73
06-13-2013, 04:16 PM
24Hacker - Understand your feelings! I have a friend who had five kids-it is sobering, financially...not easy.
But ...on the other side...did he leave behind some nice brochures of some of the cool stereos we here are drooling over? (If so, get those babies scanned).

soundman48
09-21-2013, 06:47 PM
I thought I'd ask a couple of quick questions here. I just picked up what I think is a 1959 Magnavox Imperial Console at a local auction...for a whole $22.50. Cosmetically, its in great shape. Turntable needs some TLC....the radio works...
I connected a CD player into the Tape Play input on the preamp just to test it and found that there is only a mono tape input ....the jack next to it says Record. Is this a mono console? The amp is a 182 BA the preamp is a 54 03 10. Also, I have not been able to find anything specifically about the model number of the console (which is 1 ST217H ). I have been able to find a 2 ST217H and they look identical. Does the 1 possibly mean mono?

jeffhamman
09-24-2013, 07:19 AM
parted a console pair for the amp back in 1999 when I first got into tubes,wish I could of kept this one but trying to identify the Magnavoxso here it goes. it was a matching 2 piece, amp185 with 15",8",and 2@4" speakers, and a passive vol,bass,treble. it looks looked like the little concerto set but larger ,it had the modern styling with peg legsjust like the little concerto. gold turntable with 45 adaptor hole(last of the gold ones). my guess is 1960,61, Its been long ago and have not ever seen anything seen like it. hope has seen or knows what Im talking about, I have a 1959 belvedere now that's seems very close except the base and the legs.

jeffhamman
10-06-2013, 07:41 AM
parted a console pair for the amp back in 1999 when I first got into tubes,wish I could of kept this one but trying to identify the Magnavoxso here it goes. it was a matching 2 piece, amp185 with 15",8",and 2@4" speakers, and a passive vol,bass,treble. it looks looked like the little concerto set but larger ,it had the modern styling with peg legsjust like the little concerto. gold turntable with 45 adaptor hole(last of the gold ones). my guess is 1960,61, Its been long ago and have not ever seen anything seen like it. hope has seen or knows what Im talking about, I have a 1959 belvedere now that's seems very close except the base and the legs.

OK I've found nfo. Here it is...1960 magnavox modern concerto pair! I have a 1958 concert grand for sale trade if anyone has other info on this like model number. It should have a amp 185.

nashvillebill
10-06-2013, 11:49 AM
I have a "Modern Concerto", in fact it's playing in the background right now. 175-67 amp, 55-02 tuner/preamp.

The tape input is indeed mono.

The record changer was toast so here's what I did (after recapping everything). Cut the three wires going to the turntable motor. On the wires coming from the preamp, splice the black and white together. This keeps power on the unit when the Phono switch is selected. Now on the preamp; using the 57 schematic on the Yahoo group, snip one leg off C36 and one leg off C47. Snip one leg off R30 and R40. This eliminates the cartridge EQ and lets you plug a stereo CD player (or any other stereo line level input) into the Phono inputs with a flat response EQ. The volume (Loudness), Bass, and Treble controls will still function normally, as will the FM and AM.

jeffhamman
10-06-2013, 07:05 PM
Can you post pics do you have the matching set?

jeffhamman
10-06-2013, 07:13 PM
Can you post pics do you have the matching set?

nashvillebill
10-06-2013, 07:24 PM
Can you post pics do you have the matching set?

Here you go. I do have the extension speaker, it looks exactly like the main cabinet.

jeffhamman
10-06-2013, 07:35 PM
If you ever want to part with them let me know!

nashvillebill
10-06-2013, 08:30 PM
If you ever want to part with them let me know!

PM sent.

y2kbruce
10-13-2013, 10:39 AM
My newest Maggie additions here (1) 1949 Windsor Imperial with 14" TV. All recapped and plays and sounds like a million bucks

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Magnavox%20Windsor%20Imperial/MaggieWindsorImperial012_zps4ed4aceb.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Magnavox%20Windsor%20Imperial/MaggieWindsorImperial012_zps4ed4aceb.jpg.html)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Magnavox%20Windsor%20Imperial/MaggieWindsorImperial008_zpsed8f173c.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Magnavox%20Windsor%20Imperial/MaggieWindsorImperial008_zpsed8f173c.jpg.html)

My 1961 Concert Grand with 40 tubes, 2 15" woofers and 2 horns and 2 bi-amps with 16-6V6 outputs (100 watts output) and 5-5U4 rectifiers. needs a recap etc but does play weakly. Rescued from an estate sale near St Louis. Danish Modern cabinet in walnut. I need an original Remote control if anyone has a lead for one.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome034_zps98b8aad7.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome034_zps98b8aad7.jpg.html)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome031_zps5e93bc20.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome031_zps5e93bc20.jpg.html)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/T2eC16RyIFIemvtBSTf9C0Wg60_57_zpsdc6fb536.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/T2eC16RyIFIemvtBSTf9C0Wg60_57_zpsdc6fb536.jpg.html )

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/y2kbruce/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome033_zps0a5b2568.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/y2kbruce/media/Maggie%20Concert%20Grande/MaggieCGphotoshome033_zps0a5b2568.jpg.html)

holmesuser01
10-13-2013, 01:42 PM
I would let several Maggie's go for one like this Concert Grand.

thorenstd124
10-13-2013, 06:22 PM
I would let several Maggie's go for one like this Concert Grand.

They are out there,but I came to the realization that unless you live in the Indiana/Illinois area,the only way you're to get a Concert Grand is to buy one on ebay AND pay freight on it.I just don't have the money for that now.

thorenstd124
10-13-2013, 06:43 PM
I bought a blonde Belvedere with its companion speaker back a couple of years ago. It was so clean and complete, but didn't have any paperwork if I recall. I need to get it into a private room, away from the kitten.

Actually it's pretty easy to train a kitten not to use your consoles for a scratching post.Scratching boxes with catnip help too.

thorenstd124
10-13-2013, 06:54 PM
I've had this one now for several months, but haven't yet been able to find a positive ID for the exact model name, style, etc. Based on the date codes of the speakers and transformers, it looks to be a 1961.

It seems a little unusual to me, as it is quite small compared to most other models -- approx 40" x 18" x 27". Otherwise, here are all of the specs and numbers I could find:

Model: 1ST278R
Serial: 1269679
Cabinet: JC-1-42, 693898-2, 277/278-MAH
Amp: 8601-10 (SE 6BQ5), 542115
Tuner/pre-amp: 5930-00
12" woofer: 581201-1, 270135
5" mid/tweeter: 580503-1, 575135

Would love to find out anything more I could about it! :)

Based on my console,it's definitely a '61.Yours is a little more scaled down than mine is.My Maggie,in my avatar,is a '61 Concert Master Provincial style.

Does your console have an FM multiplex ? Mine does.

thorenstd124
10-13-2013, 07:01 PM
Magnavox trash day on the street find.

Model # 1ST61 4R?
TT Model#R600 Micromatic
Chassis # 636826-6?

Consoles can definitely be put out for the trash.That was how I got my 1962Zenith in 2010.It's probabaly their top of the line model,definitely MCM.One of the last tubed consoles.It's completely dead,and I don't have the skill to restore it.Some idjit took the legs off,disconnected the tuner,and put them all back inside.

M.Yu
10-25-2013, 05:29 PM
Magnavox Concert Grand ain't got nothing on this baby

Meet...The Signature V!
(http://books.google.com/books?id=bgsEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA64&ots=m6cQHNGrBr&dq=magnavox%20organ%20model%201-A-20&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Flip through some of the pages for more Vintage Hi-Fi Lifestyle fun.

Check out the Pilot "Poly-Triad" Sound Chamber Console on the next page.

MouseMaster
10-25-2013, 11:24 PM
Magnavox Concert Grand ain't got nothing on this baby

Meet...The Signature V!
(http://books.google.com/books?id=bgsEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA64&ots=m6cQHNGrBr&dq=magnavox%20organ%20model%201-A-20&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Flip through some of the pages for more Vintage Hi-Fi Lifestyle fun.

Check out the Pilot "Poly-Triad" Sound Chamber Console on the next page.
Check out pg 57. There is a Mac 225 pictured in an RCA record manufacturing ad.

thorenstd124
10-26-2013, 11:17 AM
Magnavox Concert Grand ain't got nothing on this baby

Meet...The Signature V!
(http://books.google.com/books?id=bgsEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA64&ots=m6cQHNGrBr&dq=magnavox%20organ%20model%201-A-20&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Flip through some of the pages for more Vintage Hi-Fi Lifestyle fun.

Check out the Pilot "Poly-Triad" Sound Chamber Console on the next page.

RE The Signature V
As a general rule,old consoles with TVs are not as desirable as those without one.I have seen a couple of those old Ampex(?) reel to reel video recorders in my time.They are interesting as historical curiosities,but not much else,you can't use them for much.Do they play audio tape as well?Assuming this was state of the art for 1963,it was probably solid state,so it doesn't even have a good amp.I love consoles,but I wouldn't pick that monstrosity up if I saw it put out on a curbside.

FauxHall
01-18-2014, 07:53 PM
Can anyone give me some info on this console? It's three hours away and the CL seller is a SYT selling it from her uncle's estate.

She does claim it has 11 tubes. The layout looks similar to one or two above but the styling is different so one can't be sure.

I want to buy ONE console and then fix it up, maybe upgrade the turntable, buff up the cabinet finish, etc.

Of course, there's a VoM 816 in town too.

Mazlem
01-18-2014, 10:23 PM
I can't click the pics but from what I can see I'd guess a late 62 Magnavox with an 8802 amp. Can she get you a model#?

FauxHall
01-18-2014, 10:43 PM
She said she would. I want that before I drive 3 hours to buy it. How would that compare to the Voice of Music 816? I'd guess they were roughly equal.

smccrary
02-27-2014, 09:51 AM
Bought this yesterday, picking it up today. Magnavox 1ST 626R. Any idea what is inside? I can't find information specific to this model number.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/27/qe9arutu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/27/y8adete5.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/27/eba8asyt.jpg

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Mazlem
02-27-2014, 12:25 PM
smccrary I had an identical stereo and it came with an 8802 amp, 12" woofers and two 4" tweeters per side.

smccrary
02-27-2014, 02:24 PM
Awesome. Just got back with it. It is warming up on the variac now. Guess that $17.50 wasn't too much to pay…

Sent from my Android device using my fingers.

smccrary
02-27-2014, 03:00 PM
Other than dirty controls, it works great! TT even plays well…

Sent from my Android device using my fingers.

Mazlem
02-27-2014, 09:53 PM
Great! Time for a re-cap then! :thmbsp:

jshorva65
02-28-2014, 02:24 AM
The other real mystery is the empty tube socket, etched with the identification:
"Phono Motor". I wonder how this would be utilized, if some other feature was purchased(?). Facing front of unit, it's on the very top, right corner of the phono-amp. chassis.

You have a different unit that enables stereo (FM-MPX). I don't see the options for any stereo output, unless I am looking in the wrong place. Glad you were able to get the right chassis for FM-Mpx, though.

I'm no where as knowledgeable as you and many others, but have some pretty basic skills. I've got a friend who worked years in the tube/ss area and was thinking of approaching him for help or the work - do not want to mess up a vintage piece, even though I easily built a Heathkit at age 13...(1963).

Thanks for your reply, which helped me "see" a little more into what is possible. I love the MP3 idea - or tape,etc. I hope to do the same.

The earlier Magnavox-Collaro TT is fitted with the round plug that fits that phono motor socket (I scored an orphan earlier Magnavox-Collaro TT on fleaBay not long ago), later versions used a 3-pin Molex style connector. The round motor power plug seems to have been used on the ones wired for a mono pickup, Molex style seems to correspond to the ones with stereo pickup wiring.

The separate stereo speaker cabinet contained its own power amp chassis & may have utilized a cable connecting to that phono motor socket for power or at least remote switching of power from the main console if it had its own AC line cord. The (tuner)/preamp chassis likely had dual-ganged Loudness & Tone controls & stereo preamp stages as opposed to sending the Ch2 signal to the other cabinet directly from the source & fitting the stereo add-on with its own controls & preamp. The Balance pot on the one I have (chassis mounted, Power/Amp chassis, & hidden inside) is actually wired as a Ch2 attenuator adjustment instead of being wired like a conventional Balance pot. There may have been a jack panel & wiring harness to the chassis for Tape that could be fitted into the cabinet back after cutting a hole for it sold as an accessory. I saw photos of a Zenith recently with R/R tape built in & the deck mounted upright as a pop-up configuration with what looked like a drawer pull handle on top. That style of deck mount would have fit nicely into the space used for record storage on my unit & allowed power & signal wiring harnesses to remain completely hidden inside the cabinet & connect to the deck chassis from below. Probably used springs and/or some kind of latch to hold up the weight of the tape deck when in use. Think of something like the spring assist on an overhead garage door scaled down to supporting a 20 pound tape transport instead of a 400 pound garage door.

Yes, that MPX unit was an awesome fleaBay score & works great after recapping & touch-up alignment.

jshorva65
02-28-2014, 02:37 AM
Magnavox Concert Grand ain't got nothing on this baby

Meet...The Signature V!
(http://books.google.com/books?id=bgsEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA64&ots=m6cQHNGrBr&dq=magnavox%20organ%20model%201-A-20&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Flip through some of the pages for more Vintage Hi-Fi Lifestyle fun.

Check out the Pilot "Poly-Triad" Sound Chamber Console on the next page.

There are lots of Color Roundie enthusiasts who would grab that Ampex unit in a heartbeat & clear a whole room to display it. Looks like a roundie from that angle, anyway, 21FJP22 CRT perhaps. Early home videotape technology is big over on VideoKarma too. Wondering now if there's even one surviving example. If so, I'm sure a future ETF Convention will feature a Presentation detailing its discovery & restoration.

Stevel
09-14-2014, 11:18 AM
I have owned many wonderful Magnavox consoles, and could always find some info connecting the model number to the console name/model.

I recently acquired the unit shown -- model #1ST218H. It looks like the Imperial model in the Danish cabinet, but I want to be sure. It is powered by AMP182.

This is a great thread, but no reference to model 1ST218H.

What do you think?

Aerobat
09-14-2014, 01:35 PM
That's a beaut. What year? Stereo?

Here's my latest acquisition, a '56 Berkshire, model 270c.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/370002/20140914_142719_Android%20%281280x720%29.jpg

jeffhamman
09-15-2014, 05:38 PM
very nice consoles guys I especially like the mono berkshire, I have a 57 brochure that shows it!! I assume they made it in 56 too.

jeffhamman
09-15-2014, 05:51 PM
No catalogue. The envelope has the manual & gold seal certificate. No mention of stereo capability. Here's some pics of the amp also extension speaker. Last is the main speaker set.The two horns are Jensens', the 12" and 15" are Magnavox. The remote speaker is powered by the little amp. The turntable isn't a Collaro. It's a 4 speed with a lightly built arm. Looked for schematic-no joy. 162BB and 101AA amps . I'll have to ask over at the digital docs forum. I'll be happy to scan any of the docs I have with it. I'll PM you once that is done. Thanks for hard your work. This is a good reference thread. Cheers, Bob
1sk297f with extension speaker model s-33 this has twin amp169bb 10 watt 6v6 pp.

jeffhamman
09-15-2014, 06:02 PM
These are a couple of my Magnavox consoles. The 228 H I think is a 1959 Magnificent Magnavox Belvedere. Mono Bi-amped 162 with 15in woofer and 15in horn (I am looking for this horn!) The 3rd pic is from an AK thread, not my unit, but shows the horn I am missing.

The other is a model SK 297, 1961, a single of a pair. This one has the record changer, no tuner. Not sure the model name the amp is 169BB. This cabinet has a 4-way speaker system with 2 4in tweets, a 7in mid and a 15inch woofer.

I am looking for another 162 mono and 169BB amp. I have almost all the drivers to make a matching pair of either except the 15 inch horn.

The 228 has a relay box that says Amp 177 AAA with a 12AX7 in it that plugs into the main amp. Any ideas about how this works? I have yet to see it anywhere else.

I am in need of an eye tube for the Magnificent's receiver as well

I have the same blonde unit you have sk297f with s33 speaker....I you could buy it just like you have it. and add the other amp and matching cabinet/speaker.Its called the magnasonic special from 1958 only they modified the ampwith a stereo and called it a sp290 for 59..see my pics above....the gold changers last year was 1960. they switched to silver color for 61 fwiw

jeffhamman
09-15-2014, 06:10 PM
Its Blonde Oak, thats at least what i think its called.
It was soon superceeded by the sp290 pair in 1959 it was identical with a stereo amp 175/185 style

thaxman
09-15-2014, 06:28 PM
Hey all, I recently picked up a 1ST635 as well, as seen in post #73 on page 5.
Its been through its abandonment stage and needs major refinishing and it looks like the amp and tuner are severely degraded, along with unknown status of the stylus (but the table seems to turn OK).
I realize its SS, so I feel a little less guilty about what I want to do with it. I plan to open it up and integrate a PC with multi-terabyte storage and Blu-Ray, a more modern amp that can process 5.1 sound (Yamaha AVX-700) and some other modern bits to make an updated all-in-one that I can connect to the TV for the theatre experience or to play digital or vinyl and as well as any other setup. I am having problems finding an appropriate forum since I am integrating a console from the end of the tube amp era, a Yamaha multi-channel amp, Technics turntable ( I need the space under the existing unit) and the PC, so in effect 4 different generations.

Curtwheeler
09-16-2014, 04:17 PM
I just wanted to tell you Magnavox fans, that there is a new website for Magnavox consoles and vintage audio. You can find it at vintagehifi.net