It's official.

http://dead.net/dead09

Not real close to Detroit anywhere, bummer...

Plus Warren Haynes on lead could be real interesting, as my experience with his work doesn't have him coming off playing very much like Jerry at all. Much more of a power rocker or bluesman than a "noodler". I wonder how this affects the ABB 40th anniversary Tour too???

The guy in Ratdog last summer was pretty good though...

Warren Haynes was on the 2004 tour. You're right about his style of play. He does know the catalog from his years with P&F.

Last summer Steve Kimock toured with RatDog while Mark Karan was undergowing Kemo treatment.

"We've got some unfinished business," said Weir, in a statement. "Everybody has a whole new bag of tricks; we have the body of material we worked up over the years and we have a mind meld going on here and it would be a sin to let that just wither and die."

"A mind meld is a terrible thing to waste," Hart said .


:zoom:

Next to tour: The Beatles! Who needs John and George, anyway?

Is the deal that it's okay because it's "The Dead," as opposed to "The Grateful Dead," who were always called "The Dead"?

You call this a TOUR? I know these guys are gettin' on, but this tour is barely a month long.

You call this a TOUR? I know these guys are gettin' on, but this tour is barely a month long.

Whatever it is, it probably will be fun.
I certainly was very pleasantly surprised at how good Ratdog was when they opened for the Allmans last summer; it sure brought back some sweet memories of decades gone by.....

ScramMan@ needs to get them to go to Alpine Valley; that place was a regular stop for many years.

Seeing the Dead without Jerry, to me would be like seeing the Talking Heads without David Byrne. It doesn't interest me. I do like Kimock though, too bad he's not playing with them.

You call this a TOUR? I know these guys are gettin' on, but this tour is barely a month long.

Warren probably has a summer job. So do Phil and Bobby.

Next to tour: The Beatles! Who needs John and George, anyway?

Is the deal that it's okay because it's "The Dead," as opposed to "The Grateful Dead," who were always called "The Dead"?

This is a Grateful Dead tour.

Seeing the Dead without Jerry, to me would be like seeing the Talking Heads without David Byrne. It doesn't interest me. I do like Kimock though, too bad he's not playing with them.


You just need to visit the right sellers in the parking lot before the show. Buy some good stuff, and you will be seeing Jerry...

19 dates.

15 East Coast shows. Good for East Coasters.

The rest of us are going to have to try to scramble for tickets to the remaining four shows in Chicago, Denver, LA or San Francisco.

Hmm. Wonder which dates will be the near impossible to get tickets for?

Charlottesville and DC both pretty close to me. I never was a Deadhead but did get to see them a few times back in the day and it was a fun show.

Just like Little Feat.....without Lowell George.
I have NO interest in seeing a Dead tour.....now that Jerry Garcia is gone.


Steve

Just like Little Feat.....without Lowell George.
I have NO interest in seeing a Dead tour.....now that Jerry Garcia is gone.


Your loss, man. Lowell George was the driving creative force behind Little Feat. The Grateful Dead were always more of an ensemble group. Yeah, Jerry was the "front man" and he brought a tremendous amount of talent and soul to the group. I would argue, however, that snubbing the rest of the group for having kept on would be cutting off your nose in spite of your face.

I've even known some real purists who make it a point to trash talk everything done after Pigpen died.

It's official.

http://dead.net/dead09


Looks like we shall see another influx of LSD again. It has been extremely dry around here for many years (not that i partake anymore). It is funny, now that I think about it, i haven't seen acid around here since Garcia's death.

Next to tour: The Beatles! Who needs John and George, anyway?

Is the deal that it's okay because it's "The Dead," as opposed to "The Grateful Dead," who were always called "The Dead"?


Well, the dropping of "Grateful" is out of respect for the fact that Jerry is gone. They are not pretending otherwise and all of them readily admit that things are not the same.

Cut them some slack. Its not like some bands who find a replacement via a tribute band or those doo wop and Motown bands where there are NO original members at all. They are being completely honest about it and their fans accept that.:smoke:

Whatever it is, it probably will be fun.
I certainly was very pleasantly surprised at how good Ratdog was when they opened for the Allmans last summer; it sure brought back some sweet memories of decades gone by.....

ScramMan@ needs to get them to go to Alpine Valley; that place was a regular stop for many years.


It still is, they played at Alpine last tour in 2004. Also Family Reunion was there for two nights, and I've seen P&F there at least 2x.

I was raising kids when you were there in the 80's. They are gone now.

Besides *I'm* bringing in Phish for a two night run in June. I can only work so much magic.

Seeing the Dead without Jerry, to me would be like seeing the Talking Heads without David Byrne. It doesn't interest me. I do like Kimock though, too bad he's not playing with them.

That's exactly what went through my head when I head this. Without Jerry, the Dead are (is?) dead.

I think it's great they're touring. Musicians play music. Will it be the same? No. But so what. I'm not a fan but more power to em'.

Happy happy tour tour!!!!

That's exactly what went through my head when I head this. Without Jerry, the Dead are (is?) dead.

Not for me. I think winters860 hit the nail on the heard when he said, "The Grateful Dead were always more of an ensemble group. Yeah, Jerry was the "front man" and he brought a tremendous amount of talent and soul to the group. I would argue, however, that snubbing the rest of the group for having kept on would be cutting off your nose in spite of your face."

:yes:

My 22yo son was over for a while last night. He was talking about going to the Chicago show. Trying to get me excited about going, but it's indoors, and I'm not cool about that venue. We saw they Dead there in Dec 2002 or 2003.

A few years ago we went to a P&F show at The Eagles ballroom together, it was stinking hot in there, I had a few to many beers and mixed it with some smoke from the friendly natives. I damn near fell into the sound board as I passed out, came to right away, he got me out to get some air and I was fine.

We have been to P&F shows since that and all has been OK. I normally just drink water now and watch the others doing what I've done. It took my wife a while to forgive me, she wasn't along and he got scared.

The Dead are playing at the Inaugural, thanks to USblues for posting that over on the Dead Social Group page.
That is really amazing if you think about how totally counter culture the Grateful Dead was at it's inception.
Indeed, what a long strange trip it's been.

The Dead are playing at the Inaugural, thanks to USblues for posting that over on the Dead Social Group page.
That is really amazing if you think about how totally counter culture the Grateful Dead was at it's inception.
Indeed, what a long strange trip it's been.

I saw that, was wondering where they were playing. Warren Haynes too.

I went ahead and ordered tickets for the Saturday Philly show, hoping for a good time. If the tickets had been cheaper I would have likely done a few shows, but at $100 a pop I am only doing the one. DC would be closer to me but there is no parking lot at that venue, and I like to tailgate and wander around Shakedown.

Sure, I miss Jerry too, but what the hell, its Dead tour and I gotta see at least one show. Hopefully all the kidz and wookies are preoccupied with that phish band and leave the Dead tour to the rest of us...

I got tickets to Charottesville. After Jerry died I said I would never go again to any reunion or anything like that. I saw the Dead 150 times from 85-95. Went on some part of just about every tour in that timeframe and saw the second to last show prior to Jerry's death. I met my wife on tour as well. The day Jerry died I split a fifth of Jack Daniels with another friend and cried more than I cried for family members. I could not listen to the music at all for about five years, even though I have 700 tapes. It was just too depressing. Well its been a long time now. It took me ten years to get over his death but I said wtf. Then I watched some of the clips on the Dead's website and decided to go for it. It should be a good time. Will it be "The Warlocks" at Hampton Coliseum? Probably not. But at this point I will take what I can get.

I saw that, was wondering where they were playing. Warren Haynes too.

Any info on the show available today?
Maybe a free download?:banana:

I went ahead and ordered tickets for the Saturday Philly show, hoping for a good time. If the tickets had been cheaper I would have likely done a few shows, but at $100 a pop I am only doing the one. DC would be closer to me but there is no parking lot at that venue, and I like to tailgate and wander around Shakedown.

Sure, I miss Jerry too, but what the hell, its Dead tour and I gotta see at least one show. Hopefully all the kidz and wookies are preoccupied with that phish band and leave the Dead tour to the rest of us...

$100 a pop. Crazy. The shakedown street kids are going to have to sell lots of samiches to stay on the road.

I get to work the Phish show, looking forward to strolling out in the lots at Alpine before and after the show.

I get to work the Phish show, looking forward to strolling out in the lots at Alpine before and after the show.

Looks like I'll be hitting up Phish at Deer Creek.

In college, I had LOTS and LOTS of exposure to Phish's music and I never really got into them. Maybe the concert experience will make me a convert. Either that, or reinforce my previous prejudices...

Your loss, man. Lowell George was the driving creative force behind Little Feat. The Grateful Dead were always more of an ensemble group. Yeah, Jerry was the "front man" and he brought a tremendous amount of talent and soul to the group. I would argue, however, that snubbing the rest of the group for having kept on would be cutting off your nose in spite of your face.

I've even known some real purists who make it a point to trash talk everything done after Pigpen died.

I agree with everything in this post. One of the many great things about the Dead was how they evolved and grew over the years. I love the early stuff -- the real acid drenched Dark Stars, The Other One, all the Pigpen jams, and I also love the beautiful mellowness of Wake of the Flood, and everything else. All that said, I think the Dead were also extremely erratic from night to night. And I would lay that mostly at Jerry's feet. When he was on, he was transcendent. When he was off... well, it could get a little boring. And then towards the end he was really just mailing it in anyway (IMO). I don't know if it was his health, the substances, boredom with the dead, whatever. I just feel that in their last few years 95% of a show would be pretty dull, and then for 5% Jerry would get hooked on a little riff (like in Deal, or Truckin') and put out about half of what he used to and the crowd would go nuts. The Dead crowd was so hungry for the sound and spirit the Dead had embodied for years that they were pretty uncritical about what they were really hearing at a show. Even a glimmer of glory was enough to put the crowd in a frenzy. I hope I don't sound harsh or disrespectful 'cause Jerry was a huge influence on me, but he really had nothing left to say with the Dead for their last years IMO. So for that reason, I think the "Dead" without Jerry could make for some very interesting and wonderful new music. Perhaps the old pattern of evolution and growth can re-emerge.

I often wonder why the rest of the Dead did not hit Jerry with an intervention/ultimatum- clean up or we walk. Lots of Heads say they had to keep touring because so many people were on their payroll. To that I say BS.

I admit I was not "there" but even to the casual observer, the man's health was obviously deteriorating. I wonder if the threat of dissolving the band would have spurred him to seek help sooner.

I saw the Dead the first time they went out minus Garcia. It was fantastic!

Question: What is of the nicest things about having Warren Haynes tour with the Dead, other than the great guitar work? :scratch2:

Answer: Warren remembers the song lyrics!! :thmbsp:

Heck, I'd go just to catch Warren. :yes:

Got my tics for Greensoro and Charlotte! See you there.

I saw the Dead the first time they went out minus Garcia. It was fantastic!

Question: What is of the nicest things about having Warren Haynes tour with the Dead, other than the great guitar work? :scratch2:

Answer: Warren remembers the song lyrics!! :thmbsp:

Heck, I'd go just to catch Warren. :yes:


Warren is the Man!

I saw the Dead the first time they went out minus Garcia. It was fantastic!

Question: What is of the nicest things about having Warren Haynes tour with the Dead, other than the great guitar work? :scratch2:

Answer: Warren remembers the song lyrics!! :thmbsp:

Heck, I'd go just to catch Warren. :yes:

The Dead use teleprompters for the lyrics. Look at the stage setup closely. Pay close attention to Phil Lesh. Warren may not have one, but Phil does for sure.

Hopefully Phil will only do vocals on Box of Rain.

Found this set list from the inarguable on Dead Net.
set list
dancin in the streets
uncle john's band
sugar mag
eyes

break

the wheel
touch of grey
box of rain

Looks like I'll be hitting up Phish at Deer Creek.

In college, I had LOTS and LOTS of exposure to Phish's music and I never really got into them. Maybe the concert experience will make me a convert. Either that, or reinforce my previous prejudices...

You get tickets yet? Tell me what fun that was.

Even though the economoy is pretty bad tickets are selling well for a lot of summer shows.

The Dead added three more shows on Friday, one more night in Chicago, one more in SF, and at the Gorge WA with the Allman Bros Band, and the Doobie Bros. I'm thinking about visting my daughter and SIL in Portland and making a run up to the Gorge with them, its an outdoor venue I need to see. Now run by Live Nation (since their aquisition of HOB).

I am in the queue at GDTS-TOO Inc to get tickets for the 5/16/09 show at the Gorge. GDTS is the Deads own ticket service to avoid the fun on the Live Nation web site.

Over the weekend at work,My boss says "Im buying tickets
for the Gorge show- My treat - Wana go ? "
We'll Yah !!! Pretty cool boss huh~

The Gorge is a beautiful setting for concerts with the
Columbia river meandering its way in the backdrop,
It doesnt sound as good as Red rocks,But just as pretty.

Ive heard they've made some changes since last I was there
and need to find out the scoop on Camping ?

Ive been going to dead shows since the 70's and I will treat
this one like all the others - With an open mind~

Over the weekend at work,My boss says "Im buying tickets
for the Gorge show- My treat - Wana go ? "
We'll Yah !!! Pretty cool boss huh~

The Gorge is a beautiful setting for concerts with the
Columbia river meandering its way in the backdrop,
It doesnt sound as good as Red rocks,But just as pretty.

Ive heard they've made some changes since last I was there
and need to find out the scoop on Camping ?

Ive been going to dead shows since the 70's and I will treat
this one like all the others - With an open mind~

I have not received my tickets from GDTS yet. I plan on being there.

Check out the Dead web site when you can. The tour is going to be high profile. The web site has been updated with venue info, which was very interesting to me.

They have added Rothbury in MI Jul 2-5, 2009. There may be more dates added. The tour is expanding all the time.

Anybody received their tickets from GDTS yet? I am still waiting for my Philly tix...

No I have not heard anything from GDTS. They said they were going to start charging cards pretty soon. Kind of an antiquated system, but they always seem to have good tickets.

I faxed in the first day could for the Gorge show with ABB and the Doobies.

I received mine for DC last Wednesday. I had started to get a bit nervous and I called them. There was a recording stating that they were in the process of mailing out all tickets.

I had heard good things about GDTS and they did me right- pretty good seats at the Verizon Center.

Glad to hear somebody got tickets from GDTS. I'll report if and when I get mine for the Gorge.

Interesting NY Times article about the Dead/Deadheads:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/arts/music/12ratl.html?_r=1&hp

Dead touring in 2009.

Must... shut... up....

I just can't do it. Won't Jerry be a little ripe?

Pete

I caught the DC show last night, had a pretty good time. My expectations for the actual performance were very low, and the show fully met those expectations. I could have done without the 1-hour-plus space/Dark Star/Drums/noodlefest to start the second set. However, it was just fun to be there and part of the usual crowd antics. Maybe part of my problem was that I saw North Mississippi All Stars on Friday night and that performance completely blew away what the Dead did last night.

In any event, I am glad I went to see them play, but if you are going to catch one of the shows on this tour you may want to go into it with lowered expectations.

My brother is seeing the Charlottesville show tonight.

I caught the DC show last night, had a pretty good time. My expectations for the actual performance were very low, and the show fully met those expectations. I could have done without the 1-hour-plus space/Dark Star/Drums/noodlefest to start the second set. However, it was just fun to be there and part of the usual crowd antics. Maybe part of my problem was that I saw North Mississippi All Stars on Friday night and that performance completely blew away what the Dead did last night.

In any event, I am glad I went to see them play, but if you are going to catch one of the shows on this tour you may want to go into it with lowered expectations.

NMAS are awesome. The Dickenson brothers are really talented. Cody (drummer in NMAS) has a side project where he plays guitar, saw them open for JJ Grey/Mofro out in Portland OR last Sept. What a great show that was.

I still have not got my ticets for the Gorge show from GDTS. Looking forward to seeing the Dead in that venue. Hopefully no hour long Dark Star.

Hopefully no hour long Dark Star.

Now if Garcia was alive and you said that, that comment would be BLASPHEMOUS!!!

I caught the DC show last night, had a pretty good time. My expectations for the actual performance were very low, and the show fully met those expectations. I could have done without the 1-hour-plus space/Dark Star/Drums/noodlefest to start the second set. However, it was just fun to be there and part of the usual crowd antics. Maybe part of my problem was that I saw North Mississippi All Stars on Friday night and that performance completely blew away what the Dead did last night.

In any event, I am glad I went to see them play, but if you are going to catch one of the shows on this tour you may want to go into it with lowered expectations.

Yea, this show did not do it for me either. It was ok, but I would have liked it better sitting on a lawn at SPAC or MPP. Too low key. In an arena, I want the traditional peaks and valleys Dead show. There was no China/Rider, Scarlet/Fire or other grand epic song.

I could see they were trying to do something a bit different, but it just did not quite get off the ground. The second set was too broken up. I actually left early. Perhaps a blessing as I heard Tipper Gore played drums. I would have puked.

I suspect the other shows will be more lively. Don't get me wrong- not a bad show. Just not what I was looking for.

Now if Garcia was alive and you said that, that comment would be BLASPHEMOUS!!!

I normally like Dark Star/Drums .. it's "space" that gets a little overblown at times. YMMV.

No show on 4/20? Got my Gorge tickets today! 20th row, section B, right in the middle.

FWIW- "The Dead" will be on Late Night with Dave Letterman this Thursday.

dont expect any parlor tricks....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiFga8hwwF8

FWIW- "The Dead" will be on Late Night with Dave Letterman this Thursday.

dont expect any parlor tricks....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiFga8hwwF8

Sugar Magnolia. There is no Dead CD.

Did I say I had 20th row seats? And I am not going to sell them to the scalpers. I could finance a college education for the 4 tickets I have.

Fuck the scalpers!

Did I say I had 20th row seats? And I am not going to sell them to the scalpers. I could finance a college education for the 4 tickets I have.

Fuck the scalpers!

lol

enjoy! :yippy::yippy::yippy:

lol

enjoy! :yippy::yippy::yippy:

Did I really say that? LMAO. I meant it.

Sugar Magnolia. There is no Dead CD.

I had the TV on with no sound, until the Dead actually came on. What was all that about? "There is NO Dead CD". Anyone hear the details earlier?

It's official. Dead to tour in 2009.



Oh boy. Sponsored by Geritol ......or Depends ?

Oh boy. Sponsored by Geritol ......or Depends ?

Oh man ... unlike the supergroups ... the Dead won't need a sponsor to underwrite the cost of a tour. The DeadHeads cough up the coin, give it to their local scalper.

Oh boy. Sponsored by Geritol ......or Depends ?

Interesting post. Do you feel people of a certain age should stop plaing music?
:scratch2:

Interesting post. Do you feel people of a certain age should stop plaing music?
:scratch2:
.... it Depends....:D I support the right of any musician to play music as much as they want... for as long as they want, etc.

However, that being said, I've just seen way too many individuals/bands that .... frankly..... are WAY past their "expiration date" and should really hang it up. Can't hit notes anymore, lost their playing ability, and any original material from them is ancient history. It really is painful to watch and listen in some cases.

But.... as usual.....YMMV. If you like them and it works... then enjoy. And when you're at the concert, have a beer for me while you're at it. :thmbsp:

Can't hit notes anymore - Phil never could (other than Box of Rain).

lost their playing ability - This one baffles me. Jerry is the only one that lost any playing ability due to his death. The others all have off shoot bands that tour regularly.

any original material from them is ancient history - Phil Lesh & Friends released an album of new material in May 2002, Robert Hunter is still writing songs, so is Bob Barlow.

I'd have a beer for you at the Gorge, but I refuse to pay $10 for a 16 oz cup of a Budweiser product. You are right on one point. YMMV.

I dunno about this age thing.
I saw Ratdog open for The Allman Brothers last year and it was pretty darn good. I loved hearing songs I hadn't heard literally in 20 years, and Bob Weir wasn't ever a threat to the Three Tenors or whoever.
As far as playing ability, well, Warren Haynes can certainly hold his own with anybody.

Maybe it is all nostalgia back to a happier time, but as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing like a Grateful Dead concert, and I'll take what I saw last summer over lots of what's out there right now...:D

Thanks for the warning!!!!

.... it Depends....:D I support the right of any musician to play music as much as they want... for as long as they want, etc.

However, that being said, I've just seen way too many individuals/bands that .... frankly..... are WAY past their "expiration date" and should really hang it up. Can't hit notes anymore, lost their playing ability, and any original material from them is ancient history. It really is painful to watch and listen in some cases.

But.... as usual.....YMMV. If you like them and it works... then enjoy. And when you're at the concert, have a beer for me while you're at it. :thmbsp:

I understood what you meant by your post, I just think that the Dead are among a core few bands that are not dated by the passage of time.
If they were a "teen" band in the day or gimmick band (Kiss) I would totally agree. I mean the Dead played at an inaugural ball, they are as or more relevant than ever. Just older.

I understood what you meant by your post, I just think that the Dead are among a core few bands that are not dated by the passage of time.
If they were a "teen" band in the day or gimmick band (Kiss) I would totally agree. I mean the Dead played at an inaugural ball, they are as or more relevant than ever. Just older.

Thanks for your post. It's nice to see someone with a somewhat differing opinion not automatically copping an attitude. Perhaps The Dead still sounds good, can still sing, and can still come up with fresh material? If so that's great.

I've just seen so many cases of the opposite. And while I will (again) staunchly support anyone's -right- to get up on stage if they want, I will just as quickly say "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
It just comes off as sad when they're up there , can't sing, can't play, etc.
At that point.... WHAT'S the point ? Seems like "one more time for old time's sake" followed by some mercy applause.

I am going to be out on the road for the west coast swing this weekend. They need to kick it up a notch or two from what I have been reading online.

I am staying out in Portland OR where the Allmans and Doobies will be rocking on Friday, and will add the Dead at the Gorge WA on Sat.

Think Warren will be rockin down the highway with the Doobies?

05/16/09 (Sat) Gorge Amphitheatre - George, WA

Set 1: Music Never Stopped, Loose Lucy, Crazy Fingers, Dark Star, Dire Wolf, Tom Thumb, Into The Mystic, Women Are Smarter

Set 2: Passenger, Hell In A Bucket, Althea, Eyes Of The Wrold> Drums> Space> Days Between> Dark Star> Sat. Night E: Donor Rap, Box Of Rain

I'd have to say I am prettty disappointed in this show. They didn't get anything in gear until Dire Wolf, 5 songs into the first set. After that the end of the first set was a killer.

Second set started out strong, but lost most of the crowd with and extended Drums/Space. I was hoping they'd get into Shine On You Crazy Diamond after Space, but it didn't happen.

Great sound, A+ on that, Lights --- half of it was missing. This was the only outdoor show on the tour. My Morning Jacket can blow this light show away anytime. Crowd, a nice mix of old and young. Venue, I'd give it an A+ for view. D for effort and lack of trained staff. From what I've heard they don't do many reserved seat shows here, it's all GA. It shows.

Overall this show was a let down for me. Doobie Brothers stole the show (for less than 25% of capacity), I knew that was going to happen. Oh, this was the first and only show on tour that had three bands, Doobies, Allmans, and the Dead.

I wish I would have read about this thread a few months ago, or even been alive to see them back when Jerry was around. Same with Zeppelin and Bonham.