View Full Version : Why do some 45s have drill holes in them...


flat_spin
06-06-2009, 08:51 AM
...like the one seen here?

45rpm
06-06-2009, 09:05 AM
Those denoted records that stayed unsold for too long. They were then drilled into or sawed slightly into, and sold for discounted prices. An example of these 45s would be the "3 for $1" 45 bags at Woolworth.

Andyman
06-06-2009, 09:25 AM
Yep, cutouts, just like the LPs with the sawed corners, drilled holes or other mark in the covers.
Nothing wrong with them except they thought they pressed to many. I remember back in the 1970s the More-Way store had a whole bin of Pink Floyd's 1st LP "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" for $0.67.

Wish I bought a couple dozen and kept them...

jazzwolf
06-06-2009, 09:26 AM
Those denoted records that stayed unsold for too long. They were then drilled into or sawed slightly into, and sold for discounted prices. An example of these 45s would be the "3 for $1" 45 bags at Woolworth.

Boy, I remember those! Sometimes you'd get some gold in there but sometimes you'd really get some dreck. You could see 2 records but you never knew what the middle one was until you bought the darn thing and opened the bag. I must have had about 10 copies of "Hitchin' A Ride" thanks to that! :thumbsdn:

Celt
06-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Hey! I like that song! :D (Bought many a bag at our Woolworths.)

Brian
06-06-2009, 10:47 AM
Celt, love the avatar. My wife took off for a couple of days and when she came back Monday I had followed through on a promise from a few years ago, she got a new door bell. Guess what it plays? Yes, she is referred to by some in the neighborhood as Mrs. Bucket.

70salesguy
06-06-2009, 10:53 AM
I used to love to "hunt through" the bargain bin at Woolworths and the other 5 & 10 stores.

Once when I was a senior in High School, but before my best friend or I had a car, we rode the bus downtown and spent practically a whole day rooting through the "bargain bins" at every dime store downtown!

You used to really get some interesting stiff in the "bargain bags"!

Cogsinister
06-06-2009, 10:53 AM
In my youth back in the UK imported singles and albums were allways drilled thru with a hole and had a little "duty paid" sticker on them as far as i can remember.......i allways thought it was a silly thing to do as the hole went right thru the record sleeve and everything.............

boreas
06-06-2009, 11:22 AM
Those denoted records that stayed unsold for too long. They were then drilled into or sawed slightly into, and sold for discounted prices. An example of these 45s would be the "3 for $1" 45 bags at Woolworth.

You see the same thing on LPs, either a saw cut or punched hole in the sleeve. CDs and cassettes will also have saw cuts in the plastic cases.

Funnily enough, I'm listening right now to a "cut-out" cassette of the Teddy Charles Tentet. Really, it's a CD I made from the cassette and I'm realizing I need to redo it. :(

John

boreas
06-06-2009, 11:25 AM
In my youth back in the UK imported singles and albums were allways drilled thru with a hole and had a little "duty paid" sticker on them as far as i can remember.......i allways thought it was a silly thing to do as the hole went right thru the record sleeve and everything.............

I wonder about that. You'd think the "Duty Paid" sticker would be sufficient. Perhaps you were getting duty-paid imported cut-outs?

John

Cogsinister
06-06-2009, 11:27 AM
I wonder about that. You'd think the "Duty Paid" sticker would be sufficient. Perhaps you were getting duty-paid imported cut-outs?

John

Yes you could be right there........

Celt
06-06-2009, 11:30 AM
Celt, love the avatar. My wife took off for a couple of days and when she came back Monday I had followed through on a promise from a few years ago, she got a new door bell. Guess what it plays? Yes, she is referred to by some in the neighborhood as Mrs. Bucket.

(a clearly annoyed Hyacinth) It's Bouquet!!!

flat_spin
06-06-2009, 04:50 PM
In my youth back in the UK imported singles and albums were allways drilled thru with a hole..

Ah-ha! That'll be why. The 45 in the pic was part of a job lot from ebay, the rest of which were UK issues. Though why it was necessary to import copies of this particular single given that UK issues were plentiful at the time I do not know. Forgive my ignorance, but are/were all US 45s manufactured with a big spindle hole?

eb2jim
06-06-2009, 04:55 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but are/were all US 45s manufactured with a big spindle hole?

Not always. In the 50s Capitol made them with a pop-out center like the UK 45s had. They weren't the only ones, but you see those a lot if you are a record collector/hunter. But the first ones were made with the big hole, as the RCA 45 player was the first way to play "little records." Those were hugely popular, and eventually ( mid to late 50s) everyone made 45s with the big hole only. There were probably other exceptions, but for the overwhelming majority the big hole was king.

boreas
06-06-2009, 04:59 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but are/were all US 45s manufactured with a big spindle hole?

You know, I was wondering that myself and have it in my head that I've seen 45 rpm records with a small hole but I don't know for sure. I think the idea for the big hole (and small diameter disc) was that they worked better in juke boxes. Small discs meant more storage and big holes meant easier auto-loading onto the "spinner".

John

boreas
06-06-2009, 05:17 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but are/were all US 45s manufactured with a big spindle hole?

You know, I was wondering that myself and have it in my head that I've seen 45 rpm records with a small hole but I don't know for sure. I think the idea for the big hole (and small diameter disc) was that they worked better in juke boxes. Small discs meant more storage and big holes meant easier auto-loading onto the platter.

John

nasadowsk
06-06-2009, 05:41 PM
Surprise surprise, Seeburg was one of the big early promoters of 45s - and at the time, their 100 selection Jukebox was the hot thing to have on location. Supposedly, the quick influx of record eating jukeboxes made 45 catch on.

IIRC, any of the Seeburgs will clamp a big or small hole 45, though the auto speed units will shift to 33 if they pull a small hole disc.

I think the big hole was to make the changer design easier - it got rid of the overarm and all, and remember the 45 came out at when pusher style record changers were still quite popular.

And legend has it, after the 33 came out, Sarnoff told his guys to come up with a system that wouldn't work with CBS's 33...

RebelKat
06-06-2009, 06:06 PM
Those denoted records that stayed unsold for too long. They were then drilled into or sawed slightly into, and sold for discounted prices. An example of these 45s would be the "3 for $1" 45 bags at Woolworth.

God does THAT bring back memories! :music:

KentTeffeteller
06-06-2009, 07:44 PM
When I was a youngster, I bought many 45 singles that way. The BB hole indicates overstock/cut out/remaindered status. A tip for those who have Seeburgs with the Dual Speed option. They can be disabled. I have one of my 3 AY-160 jukes set up this way for European 45 singles.

nasadowsk
06-06-2009, 08:34 PM
When I was a youngster, I bought many 45 singles that way. The BB hole indicates overstock/cut out/remaindered status. A tip for those who have Seeburgs with the Dual Speed option. They can be disabled. I have one of my 3 AY-160 jukes set up this way for European 45 singles.

Yeah, unplug the autospeed unit :)

The tube ones go up in smoke all the time anyway. Though I once saw one that actually DID work.

ec1st
06-07-2009, 01:43 AM
From what I have read, when RCA designed the 45 rpm format they chose the big center hole believing it would result in less erosive wear at that point.

And yes, the drilled records are the recycled bargain packaged records. The worst one I have is a Beach Boys "The Man With All The Toys" 45 with a 1/4-inch hole right through the runoff groove NEXT to the label. (Some days you have to forget PC and wonder what other people use for a brain.)

radiotvnut
06-07-2009, 02:00 PM
I'm looking at a copy of Otis Sleep On/Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da by Arthur Conley on the ATCO label with a very unclean drill hole thru the label. One side is clean; but, the other side has a big blob of melted wax around the hole.

Speaking of discount records, I was browsing around at a side of the road antiques sale and found something interesting. A cardboard box labeled "record riot" that also has printed "30 tunes you missed on 15 records".

Here's what was in the box:

Uptight/For Your Precious Love - Jackie Wilson/Count Basie
Twangin' My Thang/Turn My Chicken Loose - The Fame Gang
Once More With Feeling/Black Paper Roses - Alison Wonder
Double Lovin'/I'd Rather Go Blind - Spencer Wiggins
Gonna Give it to you/the soul of a man - Pic & Bill
It's the last time/Mercy Mercy Mercy - Leon Haywood
Kum Bah Yah/Cheatin' On Me - Tommy Leonetti
Hey Mister/Only You - Norro Wilson
Let Me Go, Lover/Susie's Toys - Karen Kelly
Two Little Rooms/The Way it Used to Be - Trella Hart
Jesse Brady/Resurrection - The Mccoys
If You're looking for a Fool/What's your name - the one way street
For Love of Ivy/Have you tried to forget - Shirley Horn
Sounds of Silence/Homeward Bound - Mystic Moods Orchestra
Think/You Send Me - Aretha Franklin

These look to have been played very little, if at all. AFAIK, the Aretha Franklin record was the only big hit. Many of the other ones I have never heard of. And, many of them have BB holes.