View Full Version : Which cartridge do I update w/ new stylus?


Hayes
07-16-2009, 12:25 PM
I was thinking about doing a long overdue stylus change on one of the carts I've collected over the years. Would like to get some opinions on this. Anyway, here are the ones I have... appreciate all thoughts on which one put a new needle on, and perhaps a good place to acquire said item:

Stanton 666E/2
Shure Pro-4
Realistic R47ED
ADC LM II

Also have a cart I'm not sure of the maker. Only marking is # on the stylus- 4212DE. All thoughts welcome.

RickB
07-16-2009, 01:18 PM
What's the turntable and what's your budget?

RickB
07-16-2009, 01:23 PM
The 4212DE stylus assembly is a Generic stylus replacement for an Audio Technica body...


Pfanstiehl 4212-DE

Description
Generic replacement stylus
Diamond .4 X .7 mil elliptical tip needle 1 - 2 grams tracking
Speeds: 16, 33 & 45 RPM
REPLACES needles listed below

NEEDLES:

AUDIO TECHNICA ATN-422EP ATN422EP ATN-102EP ATNI02EP
ATNI02P ATN-102P AT-102EP AT102EP IOOE/U AT102EP AT190EP AT402EP AT97ESCS ATL12E2 ATU12E2 ATU4020EP I-LT ILT LS350 / LT LTIOI M12EU PIOIE SLT88E SS330E/U TC150EP TR445U TR450E/LT VS215EP 20E/U AP-M7 APM7 MIDI-7 MIDI7 PC-7 PC7 RS-7 RS7
EVG PM2309D
HITACHI DS-ST-13 DSST13 DS-ST-33 DSST33 DS-ST33 DSST33 DS-ST33E DSST33E MT-13 MT13
PANASONIC EPS-90SMAD EPS90SMAD EPS-90SMBD EPS90SMBD EPS-90STGD EPS90STGD EPS-90STGED EPS90STGED
RADIO SHACK RT-1500 RT1500
SANYO ATN-102P ATNI02P
TECHNICS EPS-90SMAD EPS90SMAD EPS-90SMBD EPS90SMBD EPS-90STGD EPS90STGD EPS-90STGED EPS90STGED


CARTRIDGES:

AKAI PC-3 PC3
AUDIO TECHNICA IOOE/U AT-102EP AT102EP AT-190EP AT190EP AT-402EP AT402EP AT- 97ESCS AT97ESCS AT-Ll2E2 ATL12E2 AT-Ul2E2 ATU12E2 AT-U4020EP ATU4020EP I-LT ILT LS350/LT LT101 M12EU PIOIE PM7000 SLT88E SS330E/U TC150EP TR445U TR450E/LT VS215EP 20E/U
FILDELITONE 1695-868 169S868
HITACHI MT-13 MT13
PANASONIC EPC-206CK EPC206CK EPC-90SMAD EPC90SMAD EPC-90STGED EPC90STGED EPC-90STGD EPC90STGD
RADIO SHACK CARTRIDGES RX-1500 RX1500
TECHNICS EPC-206CK EPC206CK EPC-90SMAD EPC90SMAD EPC-90STGED EPC90STGED EPC-90STGD EPC90STGD

Hayes
07-16-2009, 07:39 PM
The turntable is a pioneer PL-12. I'm not a high ender as far as things go. $25 to $40 if that will get a decent stylus these days. Like I said it's been a while. I've lately been pilfering them off of yard sale TT's.

BrocLuno
07-16-2009, 08:51 PM
Drop by Turntableneedles.com and put each in the search box, see what you get? My guess is there'll be a decent stylus for one :)

hakaplan
07-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Actually they're all fine, and all accept several different styli. It is the stylus that determines the quality and specs, so really what you need to be aware of while searching is that an elliptical stylus will reproduce sound more accurately than a conical. The smaller the small diameter, generally the more refined the tip. The dealers often used here are turntableneedles, lpgear, garage-a-records, needledoctor, and JICO, who manufacture their own excellent aftermarket styli.

Hayes
07-17-2009, 09:08 AM
Actually they're all fine, and all accept several different styli. It is the stylus that determines the quality and specs, so really what you need to be aware of while searching is that an elliptical stylus will reproduce sound more accurately than a conical. The smaller the small diameter, generally the more refined the tip. The dealers often used here are turntableneedles, lpgear, garage-a-records, needledoctor, and JICO, who manufacture their own excellent aftermarket styli.

Yes, the 7 x 4 elliptical seems to be a standard. So are you saying that the cart itself is more or less an ineffectual conduit for the interpretations of the stylus? Or perhaps 10% of the quotient. Anyway, thanks to all responders to this point for their input.

RickB
07-17-2009, 10:23 AM
Cartridge bodies do sound different, but the stylus makes as big or bigger a difference than bodies do...to a point, that is, let's not get into exotic stuff but stay at the baseline....

a .4X.7 stylus is closer to spherical than a .2X.7 is...the farther you are from purely spherical cross section and the closer you move towards the hyper elliptical styles the better the tracing of the fine detail embedded in the groove will be...imagine a .7 diameter cylinder then taking that cylinder and taper grinding .15 on opposite sides at it's point to two parallel surfaces...a flattend, ovoid section that now has a smaller area in which to contact the walls of the vinyl groove...

Which is why advanced stylus profiles such as the Shibata and Stereohedron types first came about, to be able to properly retrieve the details of 4-channel CD-4 LP's that had surround sound information recorded at frequencies normally beyond human hearing...

Fine line contact styli have continued to advance since those time with such stylus profiles as the Fritz Geiger versions and other "microline" line contact type styli...

But, basically speaking all other things being equal, a .2X.7 traces better than a .3X.7, which traces better than a .4X.7, which traces better than a conical or spherical .7....

Now, the 4212-DE stylus was actually produced by a company that labels their styli as "The Generic Stylus"...some are OK, some are good, some are quite pedestrian...to have a stylus is always preferable to being without one!