View Full Version : The Pioneer "eXclusive" Gear Thread!


Dr. Strangelove
08-13-2009, 12:20 PM
It must have the name "eXclusive" on it.

Post your photos.

Doc

PS: I suspect this will be a thread smaller than the Elite, SPEC, and blackface threads.

onepixel
08-13-2009, 01:37 PM
PS: I suspect this will be a thread smaller than the Elite, SPEC, and blackface threads.

Yup... this series sure is pretty though.

jwfabrie
08-13-2009, 02:55 PM
Here are my gems:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_0456.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_0453.jpg

It's all eXclusive I have, the C3 and M3 and I like them :banana: both have been fully revised, they play wonderfully! just finished cleaning up the fronts and treating the wood surrounds yesterday! now they look even better :yes:

HALOLS
08-15-2009, 01:33 PM
And here are some inside photos of my EXCLUSIVE C3:

Top:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/HALOLS/IMG_1446.jpg

Underside:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff143/HALOLS/IMG_1447.jpg

siamac
08-15-2009, 02:28 PM
Wonderfull :ntwrthy::ntwrthy::ntwrthy:

Speakerbox
08-15-2009, 03:10 PM
Oh my God...........:tears:

DENNYDOG
08-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Passed a chance to buy a couple Pioneer amps that were built a lot like the Exclusives but didn't have the Exclusive moniker on them. Can't remember the model numbers off hand. This is some of Pioneer's nicest stuff imho.

pkool
08-15-2009, 03:49 PM
Doc,
The very rare CS-3000a speakers, are they counted as exclusive? I cannot remember that they have the label "Exclusive", but I will check tomorrow.

siamac
08-15-2009, 04:13 PM
No, they were not.
The same as SC-3000 Preamp and SM-3000 Poweramp.

Pioneer created the brand EXCLUSIVE some years (one or two) after introducing these components.

:beerchug:


http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/d8ramj5v/sc3000sm3000.jpg (http://img5.imagebanana.com/)

DENNYDOG
08-15-2009, 04:20 PM
^^That^^ is exactly what I had the chance to buy. I thought they would have gone a lot higher than they did. Wishing now I would have bought them.

This is what I want though. Probably won't happen in my lifetime but it is good to have hopes and dreams. :smoke:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/3823659795_89eb76acfc_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2578/3823659797_87234eae49_o.jpg

jwfabrie
06-21-2010, 03:44 AM
I've been updating my system in the last few months:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/P1050556.jpg

:music:

lha1992
06-21-2010, 07:18 PM
I've been updating my system in the last few months:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/P1050556.jpg

:music:

Very cool Pioneer Exclusive gear!

Tripqzon
06-21-2010, 08:19 PM
Very cool Pioneer Exclusive gear!

Wow!! You Rock!!

It's instant love for sure. :drool:

Hunt55
06-21-2010, 11:16 PM
I've been updating my system in the last few months:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/P1050556.jpg

:music:

Nice!!!!!!!!!

What is the model number on the speakers.

Thanks.

jwfabrie
06-22-2010, 01:53 AM
Thanks for the comment!
The following equipment is shown in the picture:
eXclusive 3401 speakers
eXclusive M3 poweramp
eXclusive C3 preamp
eXclusive F3 tuner
eXclusive P3 turntable
Pioneer PD-95 cd player

both the speakers, turntable and tuner are Japan domestic only.. I found the speakers for sale in england.. that was sheer luck! The tuner and TT are a whole different story; I imported them from Japan myself recently..

JT-3
06-22-2010, 11:32 PM
Wow...nice pics. So rare!

There was a japanese website that sold Exclusive and had many good pics.

jwfabrie
06-24-2010, 02:35 AM
I think you mean hifido?

Noborigama
06-24-2010, 03:10 AM
Very nice gear you have there! Definately makes a statement.. Looks like a cool pad you have there too, I like the open spiral staircase.

Arkay
06-24-2010, 03:55 AM
jwfabrie, very nice-looking system you have there; I'll bet it sounds as good as it looks, too! :thmbsp:


Exclusive stuff is beautiful, and musical. Very "drool-worthy", indeed! :drool: There are a few dealers here who regularly import items from this series from Japan, so I've been fortunate enough to have had multiple chances to see and hear the stuff. I LIKE it! :yes:

There are more variations of preamps and amps than I've seen online, though, including different integrateds and separates. Some of them were Japan-market only. I wish I'd been keeping a careful photographic log of them, but I haven't. I've seen only one pair of the speakers; I think they are rarer than the other items, or else people just don't import as many of them here (both are possibly true). The one that I covet the most is the P3a turntable. That one I will probably own, one day... but I think I'll upgrade my GT-2000 to the GT-2000X first, and these are expensive, so I may or may not ever get an actual P3a ... unless a good deal on one comes along first, in which case I may pass on the 2000X.

I probably won't ever buy the amps, because with recent acquisitions I've already surpassed them, but they're still very nice, and if I ever decide it's time to move back "down" a little, I'd be very happy to own Exclusives.

Anyway, Exclusives are really, really NICE. Keep the pic's coming, please, if you are lucky enough to have any of these!

jwfabrie
06-24-2010, 04:41 AM
Arkay,

the ones you see less are:
-C10 preamp
-stereo M10 poweramp
-C5 preamp
-mono M5(a) poweramp
-C7(a) preamp
-M7 mono poweramp
-M8 stereo poweramp

-F3 tuner

-V7 videoswitch

-2401 twin speakers
-2301 speakers
-3401 speakers
-3301 speakers (very rare)
-S5 speakers
-2251 speakers
-2252 speakers
-2404 speakers


The ones which are more common are:
-C3(a) preamp
-M3 stereo poweramp
-M4(a) stereo poweramp
-P3(a) turntable
-P-10 turntable
-2402 speakers


I'd like to get my hands on a C7 some day to go with my V7 :yes: and than to find a pair of m7's...

siamac
07-14-2010, 04:16 PM
PIONEER EXCLUSIVE 2401 SPEAKERS:

http://www.abload.de/img/2401005eedg.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2401005eedg.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/monster0173dc9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=monster0173dc9.jpg)

DENNYDOG
07-14-2010, 08:40 PM
What Pioneer don't you have Siamic? :)

Another new toy imported from Japan? How do they compare to some of your other speakers?

lha1992
07-17-2010, 03:03 AM
PIONEER EXCLUSIVE 2401 SPEAKERS:

http://www.abload.de/img/2401005eedg.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2401005eedg.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/monster0173dc9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=monster0173dc9.jpg)

Those are some really nice speakers there!

jwfabrie
07-29-2010, 03:01 PM
here is my eXclusive V7, to be (hopefully)joined by a C7 and some M7's in the nearby future:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1056.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1055.jpg

mertol
09-19-2010, 05:29 PM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5098/img0501a.jpg

Here are my exclusives
2 x M5a , M3 and F3 connected to a pair of NS-1000M's.
The turntable is Luxman PD300 , luckly it's height correctly matches the exclusives.

Sorry for the quality of the pictures

Mertol

stereorob
09-20-2010, 12:03 PM
wow! what a cool thread! i never knew about this line of pioneer stuff! thanx for the education!! i have something new to look for!!

Rare_Hifi
11-05-2010, 09:13 AM
Greetings from Strasbourg

A fantastic thread and a great resource Mr.Pioneer Vintage! :)

TAD/Pioneer Exclusive are my favourite components, especially the C3/5, the P3 and the speakers.

Speakers: I have had the Pioneer Exclusive 2401 Twin, 2402 and 2251. I expect to own some Twin 2401's before christmas. I intend to study these and then construct my own version :music:

Turntables: I have two Pioneer Exclusive P3 turntables and have had a few P10's. I rate them as better than the Technics SP-10mk3 as an all purpose machine. I have improved the performance further by mounting a Kondo wired SME 312. The tonearm, as on many early japanese decks, does suffer after 30 years!

I have had the Pioneer C7 preamp, but have never imported the C7 power amp due to voltage concerns from Japan. I found it to be a good preamp but not as good as the Accuphase C290V. The C5 was my favourite preamp of this era.

My thread on the TAD 2402 speakers became quite a legend. I converted them to 3 way active speakers and added an ET-703 tweeter. As active speakers they were stunning...you really need to add the tweeter. I also experimented with the Pioneer PT-R100 ribbon but found no improvement.

I think I found my upgrade in the tweeter department recently...a YL/Audio Note Japan D-18000 tweeter. Extremely rare compression tweeter.

I sold the 2402's last year for 15000 euros. The price for these speakers just goes up and up.

I would like to hear some of the 3401 speakers to compare, maybe the S5 also...but all in good time.

Regards

Ritchie

Shane
11-07-2010, 04:44 AM
There is lots of sweet Exclusive gear here

I have Exclusive P3 and P10 turntables. The P3 was serviced by Pioneer in Japan before I had it shipped, so its as new as it could possibbly be. Had them for 12 months now and luving them.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2493/4205890178_50217d5d18_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2526/4109544646_178bcf9020_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2781/4205888402_c1299759e6_b.jpg

michaelhigh
11-07-2010, 10:49 AM
Thanks for the comment!
The following equipment is shown in the picture:
eXclusive 3401 speakers
eXclusive M3 poweramp
eXclusive C3 preamp
eXclusive F3 tuner
eXclusive P3 turntable
Pioneer PD-95 cd player

both the speakers, turntable and tuner are Japan domestic only.. I found the speakers for sale in england.. that was sheer luck! The tuner and TT are a whole different story; I imported them from Japan myself recently..

I've commented on this room before, very nice and so presentable. I'm sure it sounds as good as it looks. Touche'.:music:

Rare_Hifi
11-07-2010, 11:31 AM
I will dig out some of the links I have on the TAD speakers. I know some guys in Japan who have these and Rey Audio speakers set up in amazing combinations.

Finding 3401 speakers in England...incredible! :)

jwfabrie
11-08-2010, 03:09 PM
Thanks for the comment on my livingroom:D And yes; it does sound as good as it looks!! I love the eXclusive pieces to bits!

Rare_Hifi
11-09-2010, 04:01 PM
Talk about modesty!

:D

Thanks for the comment on my livingroom:D And yes; it does sound as good as it looks!! I love the eXclusive pieces to bits!

megasat16
12-09-2010, 01:28 AM
I got Pioneer Exclusive C7a preamp and M8 power amp. They are the best of what I have heard thus far.

All I could say is none comes close to the musicality and neutrality of them. Music is just so much more life like without imperfections.

C7a runs hotter than most Class A amps. And I have quite a few Class A amps too. I also have C-290V but C7a just plainly more musical while C-290V sounds more transparent.

enjoy_the_music
12-09-2010, 01:52 AM
Yeah I had the C7a preamp a couple of years ago. It is a good preamp and I used it with a number of power amps.

Now I go full Vfet and SIT...with some tubes also :)

megasat16
12-09-2010, 02:15 AM
Yeah I had the C7a preamp a couple of years ago. It is a good preamp and I used it with a number of power amps.

Now I go full Vfet and SIT...with some tubes also :)

Have you tried with M8 or M7 by any chance? I totally understand synergy is important but I think it's also important to listen with the matching amp.

I wonder you have paired the C7a with M7 or M8 during the time you owned it. I love to hear your impression on them if you like to share. :yes:

jwfabrie
12-09-2010, 02:35 PM
megasat:
Might I ask, do you live in a 100 volt area, or are you using a stepdown transformer to power them?
I am after a C7 as well, preferably the Japanese 100volt version, so that I can connect it to my V7, the Euro 220volt version doesn't support that option..

I am going to listen (and probably buy) at a pair of eXclusive M6 monoblocks next weekend.. I am very curious about their sound quality in combination with the C3 preamp..

megasat16
12-09-2010, 03:44 PM
jwfabrie,

I am in the U.S so I use a step down transformer from 120V to 100V. Does Pioneer sell Exclusive in the Europe? It appears Pioneer have no interest to sell Exclusive in the U.S market at all and I wonder why.

As far as I know, M6 is the rebadge of M5a from Japan market?

I am sure they'll be awesome amps. How do the European regards the Exclusive gears? Are they being treated in the same league as Accuphase, Luxman or other high end brands in Europe?

Sorry to ask but I know there are Big Hifi nuts your way too.

jwfabrie
12-09-2010, 05:08 PM
megasat,

You are right; the M6 is indeed the rebadge of the Japanese M5a, they are exactly the same except for voltage..

Pioneer did sold some eXclusive in Europe, both the C3 and M3 were available in Europe, as well as the C7, together with the M6 and the M7. None of the other units were ever available (officialy) to my knowledge. I had to get my eXclusive P3 TT and F3 tuner from Japan, but I will never regret!!
btw: some of the speakers might have been available here as well; I believe the 2401, 2402 and 2404.

People tend to not know the eXclusives here in Europe, only a very, very small group know about their existance, and all that I spoke to, highly regard them!

Might I ask; did you got yours from Hifido? I really envy you a bit; I want one of those C7's badly :yes:

Best regards,
Willem

megasat16
12-09-2010, 08:06 PM
Hi Willem,

Thanks for info on how the Europeans regards Exclusive gears.

I have good confidence that you'll like the M6.

I also had little confidence in the M8 and C7a when I bought it from Hifido. But I am glad I bought them coz even in Japan, Exclusive gears are seldom seen or offered up for sale. Anyone who heard them can truly appreciates them.

I hope you'll find a C7 very soon. I saw one on Yahoo Japan like a month ago. So, keep checking Yahoo Japan site if you have Japanese friends to help you with the shipping?

Please do not envy me coz you sure have some real nice eXclusive gears in your pictures.

-James

jwfabrie
12-11-2010, 05:07 AM
megasat:

you should indeed be glad that you bought them; they are very, very hard to source.

I was actually in the running for that C7 on Yahoo, but somehow the owner thrown out my middleman from bidding on it.. Surely another one will come available eventually; and ofcourse we still have Hifido..

I am quite confident that I will like M6 indeed, I am very curious how they will make a difference on the 3401's compaired to the M3 amp..

to be continued..

enjoy_the_music
12-15-2010, 01:19 AM
Hey!

I have a Pioneer P3A on the way :)

I had a Pioneer C7 preamp. It was excellent but I felt the sound quality wasn't as good as the older equipment or a couple of my tube preamps. It was as if Pioneer was trying to compete with Accuphase. Perhaps they need to be heard within the context of a full Exclusive system however I did use them with expensive Accuphase monoblocks.

Attached are two photos of my very old system (The Yamaha speakers did leave and then came back 2 years later!). Pictured is the smaller Pioneer P10 and the Exclusive M4 power amplifier.

Also pictured is the C7 preamp.

siamac
12-15-2010, 04:28 PM
M3 + 2401 + SX-1980

http://www.abload.de/img/60550144ems.jpg
(http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=60550144ems.jpg)

Marantz 1150 + PL-50LII + M3

http://www.abload.de/img/kp-5000125cqx.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=kp-5000125cqx.jpg)

enjoy_the_music
12-17-2010, 06:22 AM
Merry Christmas!!! :))

Actually I bought some Technics SB-10000. Maybe you can come and listen Simiac :)

siamac
12-17-2010, 03:29 PM
I think in January, I would like to come and visit you !!

enjoy_the_music
12-18-2010, 11:50 AM
No problem. I intend to do a review of them and use them to explore a DIY speaker build. I will also use the Technics SE-A1 power amplifier, and a Yamaha B-1 super dreadnought! For cd we can play with Sony's very first broadcast cd player, the CDP-5000S. :)

It will be a japanese super-rig.

megasat16
12-18-2010, 12:56 PM
megasat:

you should indeed be glad that you bought them; they are very, very hard to source.

I was actually in the running for that C7 on Yahoo, but somehow the owner thrown out my middleman from bidding on it.. Surely another one will come available eventually; and ofcourse we still have Hifido..

I am quite confident that I will like M6 indeed, I am very curious how they will make a difference on the 3401's compaired to the M3 amp..

to be continued..

I will send you a PM if I see another C7 or C7a.

How's your listening impression on the M6? I hope you do get them.


Hey!

I have a Pioneer P3A on the way :)

I had a Pioneer C7 preamp. It was excellent but I felt the sound quality wasn't as good as the older equipment or a couple of my tube preamps. It was as if Pioneer was trying to compete with Accuphase. Perhaps they need to be heard within the context of a full Exclusive system however I did use them with expensive Accuphase monoblocks.

Attached are two photos of my very old system (The Yamaha speakers did leave and then came back 2 years later!). Pictured is the smaller Pioneer P10 and the Exclusive M4 power amplifier.

Also pictured is the C7 preamp.

I think C7a (C7 too?) sounds less than other preamps I have heard so far. But it's in a good way. I think it produces less sound of it's own.

I drive C7a & M8 with ML # 36 and 37. I don't think Pioneer tries to compete with Accuphase at all. Two very different sounds. I have auditioned P-800, P-1000 and C-290V.

Nonetheless, I think some older vintage gears are pretty hard to beat and I love them equally.

Speaking of which, I think you took possession of my dream Technics SE-A1. :) How's that sounds?

enjoy_the_music
12-19-2010, 03:22 PM
Yeah, maybe I didnt give the C7 enough time really. I sold it in Europe around 2 years ago and someone got a bargain at 2250 euros, they go for double that now with ease.

I will tell all about the Technics SE-A1...when I mate it with the Technics SB-10000 speakers. I have a very large shipment arriving :) Santa will have a difficult time getting it down the chimney. :)

R

enjoy_the_music
12-19-2010, 05:44 PM
Actually, I just saw your lovely videos on youtube.

Check out these TAD 2402's powered by WE amps. They also added a pair of ET-703 tweeters (these would make a massive difference to your speakers also) via a high pass filter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZPCmi10Wg&feature=related

The speakers are off the floor and the recording does show the dynamics pretty well.




I think in January, I would like to come and visit you !!

jwfabrie
12-20-2010, 12:16 PM
The M6 monoblocks aren't here yet.. sigh.. we had such an extremely amount of snow the last few days, I decided to delay my drive. I hope to pick them up somewhere this week. Will update after I have received them.

I just got my F3 tuner back after a readjustment/fix. It amazes me how clear and dynamic a sound this tuner can produce.. :music:

jwfabrie
12-21-2010, 03:15 PM
Update: the M6 blocks are here! this is really some special material.. no auditioning yet, but they sure look great! complete with all packing, cables and manual! Lovely :thmbsp: I am sure they will go very nice with the C3, F3, P3 and 3401's. It was quite funny to see exactly those speakers pictured in the manual.. looks like the engineers at Pioneer had it all figured out; this is a great match!!

enjoy_the_music
12-22-2010, 02:21 AM
Can't wait to see photos!!!!!!!!!!!

mertol
12-22-2010, 04:32 AM
Till new photos come , you can have a look at...

http://analoghifi.com/index.php?option=com_deeppockets&task=catShow&id=3&Itemid=30

jwfabrie
12-22-2010, 10:53 AM
the tower has became a bit higher.. I don't think I like it this way, to high and a bit unstable with that heavy TT on top.. Guess I'll have to go and find a new solution..:yes:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1227.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1226.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1229.jpg

enjoy_the_music
12-24-2010, 06:26 AM
That looks so bloody cool! :)

You must be happy as Santa's little helper!

So, any plans for 2011?

jwfabrie
12-26-2010, 05:32 AM
Thanks for the comment.
Any plans?? :yes::D I still have some small quests to complete..

megasat16
12-26-2010, 05:28 PM
Yeah, maybe I didnt give the C7 enough time really. I sold it in Europe around 2 years ago and someone got a bargain at 2250 euros, they go for double that now with ease.

I will tell all about the Technics SE-A1...when I mate it with the Technics SB-10000 speakers. I have a very large shipment arriving :) Santa will have a difficult time getting it down the chimney. :)

R

There is something about C7a that I couldn't describe with words. It may just be that C7a and M8 works better together.

I think you sold the C7 a little too cheap back then.

I can't wait to hear your impression on the SE-A1 and SB-10000. Those are huge monsters so I hope Santa didn't wreck your chimney trying to pull SB-10000 down. :thmbsp:

The M6 monoblocks aren't here yet.. sigh.. we had such an extremely amount of snow the last few days, I decided to delay my drive. I hope to pick them up somewhere this week. Will update after I have received them.

I just got my F3 tuner back after a readjustment/fix. It amazes me how clear and dynamic a sound this tuner can produce.. :music:

Wow...snow is sure a killer. :sigh:
Update: the M6 blocks are here! this is really some special material.. no auditioning yet, but they sure look great! complete with all packing, cables and manual! Lovely :thmbsp: I am sure they will go very nice with the C3, F3, P3 and 3401's. It was quite funny to see exactly those speakers pictured in the manual.. looks like the engineers at Pioneer had it all figured out; this is a great match!!

May be snow is not a deterrent to your eXclusive Quest. It's great to hear you are liking M6s. :music:

the tower has became a bit higher.. I don't think I like it this way, to high and a bit unstable with that heavy TT on top.. Guess I'll have to go and find a new solution..:yes:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1227.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1226.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1229.jpg

Beautiful eXclusive Pieces. I guess I should share a picture of my only two eXclusive pieces too. I wanted to get a pair of eXclusive speakers but shipping would be a killer. But I guess there is a possibility that I could get the TAD speakers here. :scratch2:

jwfabrie
12-28-2010, 08:34 AM
You should indeed be able (with alot of patience) to source a pair of TAD's in the US.. In the meanwhile; does your C7a supports the option to connect a V7?

megasat16
12-29-2010, 01:20 PM
Yep, there are some TAD speakers here but I wanted the one with concentric cones and BE tweeters. But I doubt I can ever afford one.

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/others/0,39037627,62056331,00.htm

My C7a has the connector for the V7 but I don't think I ever need to use that connector.

I wonder why you like V7 so much. Care to share the secrets of V7 goodness?

jwfabrie
12-30-2010, 02:49 AM
I like the V7 so much since it makes me able to remote control the C7 that I don't have.. ;) and next to that it's just a very pretty machine!

megasat16
12-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Yes...yes! I looked at your pics again and the V7 sure is very purdy and with the remote. :yes: I need the remote. Now, I want the V7 while you want the C7. :D I hope there is a C7 comes your way soon...

So, how's the listening impression on the M6?

clydeselsor
12-30-2010, 05:20 PM
Some really beautiful stuff guys!

jwfabrie
12-31-2010, 06:01 AM
thanks for the comment clyde.

The M6 sound is great! I am very, very curious how they would sound combined with the C7..
I'll keep looking for a V7 (beware.. they are rare.. even rarer than a C7..) and if you find a C7 somewhere I'd like to hear it from you ;)

megasat16
01-01-2011, 11:29 PM
The M6 sound is great! I am very, very curious how they would sound combined with the C7..
I'll keep looking for a V7 (beware.. they are rare.. even rarer than a C7..) and if you find a C7 somewhere I'd like to hear it from you ;)

I am guessing here but I think C7 would sounds great with M6 too. But I have a split hair idea that C5 would be a perfect match to M6 since they are meant for together.

From digging of the Exclusive data on the TVB and other Japanese sites, there seems to have a lot of design changes between C7 and C5 so I wish you could listen to both of them with the M6.

I will be sure to look an eye out for another C7 with the V7 connector for you.

Does the V7 supposed to control the C7 volume if they are connected together?

jwfabrie
01-02-2011, 05:34 AM
I was thinking about going after a C5 for that exact same reason as well.. they are indeed designed to go together.. Although the M6 is more a sort of "in between model" which was marketed here in Europe together with the C7.

The V7 indeed offers the option to control both the selection switch as well as volume of the C7. When I found my V7, it was without the remotecontrol... I thought there would be little if no change to find one; however, Pioneer Japan still had a new remote for me!! can you believe that? after almost twenty years, they still have a brandnew remote!! Luckily I was surprissed to see the connection cable came with the V7 as well after I opened the box, so now (apart from manual) it's fully complete..

some pictures just for fun:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1054.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_0987.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_0981.jpg

enjoy_the_music
01-07-2011, 01:13 AM
Hey!

Almost there :) I received the P3A today and it is a very nice turntable. I wondered if it could have really been an improvement over the P3 and I am glad to say it is worth the extra investment.

I will post some photos later. For now I arrange the listening room around some HUGE Technics SB-10000 speakers.

By the way, do you have a contact for Pioneer Japan? I have a P3 and I would like to find some spare screws to fix the platter. They are special shoulder screws.

R

enjoy_the_music
01-07-2011, 09:04 AM
Here she is!

jwfabrie
01-07-2011, 09:41 AM
That's a nice one!

I don't have a specific contact at Pioneer in Japan, I do however have my way to contact them, I'll let my guy ask them about it, I could use some of those for future movements myself as well..

Shane
01-08-2011, 03:58 AM
Hey!

Almost there :) I received the P3A today and it is a very nice turntable. I wondered if it could have really been an improvement over the P3 and I am glad to say it is worth the extra investment.

I will post some photos later. For now I arrange the listening room around some HUGE Technics SB-10000 speakers.

By the way, do you have a contact for Pioneer Japan? I have a P3 and I would like to find some spare screws to fix the platter. They are special shoulder screws.

R

Sweet. A P3 and a P3a. I luv my P3.

What do you find the main differences between the P3 and P3a sonically?

CCT1
01-10-2011, 12:52 AM
Have you ever heard Pioneer Exclusive C7?

jwfabrie
01-10-2011, 06:12 AM
Have you ever heard Pioneer Exclusive C7?

No, unfortunatly not yet.. did you?

jimfet
01-10-2011, 07:47 AM
Wow! Nice thread guys.

CCT1
01-10-2011, 09:10 AM
Yes, I did. I have it.

jwfabrie
01-10-2011, 11:09 AM
Congratulations on owning that great amp! I am still looking for one, about three years now.. they do come available every now and then.. but not to often. Is yours a 100 volts Japanese model or 220 volts euro model?

CCT1
01-10-2011, 09:30 PM
Hi,
It is 100V Japanese model, I bought it directly from Japan.
You are right, it is a great pre-amp.

DENNYDOG
01-10-2011, 09:37 PM
That P3a is beautiful! Would love to find one some day.

megasat16
01-11-2011, 12:57 AM
I was thinking about going after a C5 for that exact same reason as well.. they are indeed designed to go together.. Although the M6 is more a sort of "in between model" which was marketed here in Europe together with the C7.



I see. I didn't know C7 is marketed with M6 as well. You gotta try with both then. There are a few combination like this?

C7 with M6.
C7 with M7 and M8.
C5 with M6.
C5 with M7 and M8. hehehe


The V7 indeed offers the option to control both the selection switch as well as volume of the C7. When I found my V7, it was without the remotecontrol... I thought there would be little if no change to find one; however, Pioneer Japan still had a new remote for me!! can you believe that? after almost twenty years, they still have a brandnew remote!! Luckily I was surprissed to see the connection cable came with the V7 as well after I opened the box, so now (apart from manual) it's fully complete..



Very nice eXclusive literature you have! Wow! You must have some good contacts to find a brand New Remote for V7 in Japan after some 20 yrs.

Can you get your Japanese Pioneer contacts to find me a binding post for M8? One of the binding post is turning without locking. I will pay all the costs if you can help me find one.

By the way, I don't see C7 but I see a really nice C5. You got PM!

Here she is!


Very Nice TT. It's how all TT should be made. :thmbsp:

megasat16
01-11-2011, 01:04 AM
Hi,
It is 100V Japanese model, I bought it directly from Japan.
You are right, it is a great pre-amp.

What amp are you using the C7 with?

It makes the two of us with C7 then! Is yours C7 or C7a?

jwfabrie
01-11-2011, 02:40 AM
I'll aks for the binding posts.

Will keep you updated!:thmbsp:

CCT1
01-11-2011, 02:44 AM
Hi,

Mine is C7 not C7a
My pow amp is Mcintosh MC-275

megasat16
01-12-2011, 12:14 AM
I'll aks for the binding posts.

Will keep you updated!:thmbsp:

It meant a Great Deal to me! Thanks! :thmbsp:

Hi,

Mine is C7 not C7a
My pow amp is Mcintosh MC-275

Cool! It's something new. SS preamp with Tube amp. How's it sounds? Are you in the U.S?

CCT1
01-12-2011, 07:21 AM
Hi,

How to say ? You get some and you lost some, not punchy bass but lush mid range and the overall better control due to the ss pre-amp ( I am not sure in case of the expensive tube pre-amp cause I have no chance to have one )
cheer

minhminh
01-13-2011, 02:11 AM
I've looked C7 preamplifier, wish you show me someone going to sell?

Thank you very much!

jwfabrie
01-13-2011, 06:18 PM
minhminh,

Just like you, I am searching for a C7.. already for a couple of years right now. FYI: there is a C7a in Japan for sale right now for a decent price. I am not interested since it doesnt support the option to connect to the V7 controller/videoswitch, this is an absolute must for me.. PM me for more info.

Aren't you the same guy who is searching for a C-Z1 as well?? (again, just like me..)

capitanharlo
01-17-2011, 02:48 PM
I own a C7 (220v) and a P3 (obviously 100v, as far as I know it wasn't built outside japan), and desperately looking for an M8 and a couple of 3401...

:tears:

capitanharlo
02-20-2011, 02:04 PM
I just buyed a couple of 3401,
but mine have white woofers...
Are there different 3401 versions?

:scratch2:

http://home.tubebbs.com/attachment/201101/17/579_1295249374lzZ3.jpg

jwfabrie
02-25-2011, 02:53 PM
Capitan,

Congratulations on your 3401's!
where did you buy your pair of 3401's? I don't think there was ever a different pair of 3401's marketed.. they might be reconed, or the drivers might be JBL, they do tend to have with cones as well.. have you already checked?

I have some more eXclusive coming my way as well btw..

capitanharlo
02-26-2011, 03:42 AM
I bought them on hifido.
They haven't arrived yet so I couldn't check.
The woofers seems petty identical to the dark versions, so I don't think they're JBL.

I saw that Hifido sold two others pairs and all of them have white cones, and the woofer seems a Tad:http://image.hifido.co.jp/photo/10/615/61533/d.jpg
http://image.hifido.co.jp/photo/10/615/61533/e.jpg

capitanharlo
02-26-2011, 04:04 AM
Seems confirmed that exists a second version of the EL-403 woofers, with white paper cones:

http://img373.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/3/9/5/4/nyamay-img600x450-1292766652f6hh5t65418.jpg

ukfan4sure!
02-26-2011, 09:11 AM
Never even SEEN any of this before... :tears:

capitanharlo
02-26-2011, 02:39 PM
Never even SEEN any of this before... :tears:
Do you mean the woofer or the 3401?
:scratch2:
Anyway I do believe that this "release 2" of the woofer exist.

I've seen some in several japanese auctions.

jwfabrie
02-27-2011, 04:44 AM
Hi Capitan,

I don't see the whiteness in that picture; in fact, those woofers look exactly the same as mine do, it's all a matter of light and coloring in the photography to my opinion.

Congratulations anyways on this great purchase! you will love them to bits, Just like I enjoy mine every day, I just can't get enough of them.

What about the M8?

Cheers, JW

capitanharlo
02-27-2011, 05:23 AM
Hi Jw,
still looking for an M8. but my budget is a little bit tight now... :no:

I guess I will have to wait for some time before getting one, if and when it will show up.

:tears:

capitanharlo
02-27-2011, 10:37 AM
Attached are two photos of my very old system (The Yamaha speakers did leave and then came back 2 years later!).
The Nsx-10000...:ntwrthy:

Do you still have them?

siamac
02-27-2011, 02:15 PM
A short video, but the quality is not so good :no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smBiT72tzzI

capitanharlo
02-27-2011, 04:02 PM
Did you put the record player ON the 2401??

:scratch2:

siamac
02-27-2011, 04:25 PM
Yes, it is the only solution, I could find.
But these speakers are so heavy, that I coudnīt hear any disadvantage, even with high volume and heavy bass.

Maybe one day I find a C-3 preamp, then SX-1980 will move to another room and PL-50LII will be placed on the rack again.

:thmbsp:

jwfabrie
02-27-2011, 04:40 PM
Siamac,

First comes the C3, than you need a pair of M6 monoblocks to power those 2401's! and they you need a P3 or P10..:yes:

capitanharlo
03-03-2011, 03:00 PM
Am I wrong or in the Siamac's video I saw an Exclusive M3?

jwfabrie
03-05-2011, 08:25 AM
that is indeed a M3 in Siamac's video. Which will soon be companied by some other eXclusive :D

capitanharlo
03-07-2011, 02:50 PM
Can't wait to see the eXclusive pics...
:banana:

siamac
03-12-2011, 03:53 PM
PIONEER PT-R4 came yesterday.
It is just for testing and playing. I donīt think I will keep them, because 2401 donīt need them. :thmbsp:

http://www.abload.de/img/pt-r4006wu1y.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=pt-r4006wu1y.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/pt-r4003xn3q.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=pt-r4003xn3q.jpg)

jwfabrie
03-12-2011, 04:54 PM
Nice tweeters Siamac!

It would be nice to eventually add some ET-703's to those 2401's.. Well; first off to some other eXclusive!

jwfabrie
03-14-2011, 04:11 PM
My holy grail has arrived:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1330.jpg
:music::music:

mad shadows
03-15-2011, 05:16 AM
This thread is mighty!

capitanharlo
03-15-2011, 06:46 PM
My 3401 are coming,
hope to post soon a pic of the C7, the P3 and the 3401 working together...
:thmbsp:

siamac
03-16-2011, 04:31 PM
Very mighty C-7 + V-7 :ntwrthy::ntwrthy::ntwrthy:

Thank you for C-3 :tresbon:

http://www.abload.de/img/exclusive-c-301357nr.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=exclusive-c-301357nr.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/exclusive-c-300407rl.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=exclusive-c-300407rl.jpg)

jwfabrie
03-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Some more pictures of the new configuration:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG00085-20110315-2325.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1327.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1325.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG00083-20110315-2324.jpg

jwfabrie
03-19-2011, 10:36 AM
Sorry for the spam guys, but I just love this setup, and gotta show it to you:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1335.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1334.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1351.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1348.jpg

siamac
03-20-2011, 03:17 AM
That looks amazing. And now with both speakers on the pic, we can see the solution with the power amps - great :thmbsp:

I am sorry, to say, it looks much better without F-90 :dunno:

capitanharlo
03-20-2011, 06:15 AM
Willem,
:ntwrthy:

My C7 can't be mated to a V7,since is a 220v model, or so I guess.

Your setup is STUNNING!!

:banana:

classicscope
03-20-2011, 09:07 AM
yes is amazing!

jwfabrie
03-22-2011, 03:45 PM
thanks for the comment. Now all I need is to find me a pair of eXclusive M7 monoblocks, and I am finished..:D

capitanharlo
03-23-2011, 12:50 PM
I am looking for an M8, so I can understand you... :banana:

My upcoming 3401 will need a restoring from a pro, I will post the pics here...

:yes:

jwfabrie
04-26-2011, 02:40 PM
The grand final:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1421.jpg

:smoke:

capitanharlo
04-29-2011, 05:58 PM
Superb!!

:thmbsp::tresbon:

siamac
05-05-2011, 12:23 AM
Very nice and extremly rare :ntwrthy:

jwfabrie
05-05-2011, 01:32 PM
Thanks ffor the comment chaps! I love the M7's to bits, they look stunning and sound amazing!

Some more beautyshots:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1405.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1413.jpg

capitanharlo
05-13-2011, 08:53 AM
My 3401s have arrived and are fully working and under restoring.
:D
I will post the restoring pics here if you like.

I really need an M8 now...

Willem, I envy you, you did it!

A full Exclusive setup!

Really stunning!

Too bad that the tuner is a japanese only version...
:tears:

jwfabrie
05-13-2011, 09:39 AM
Please do post the pictures! I am very curious about the inside of the 3401's; never opened mine..

about the Tuner; I do not mind to much; with the converter I am able to receive the total euro bandwidth from 88 to 108 mhz, so it works just fine!! Ony thing which bothers me is that there is no correct (optical) matching tuner or cd player for the series 7 eXclusive components; The PD-95 or DV-AX10 both do a fine job however. :yes:

capitanharlo
05-13-2011, 04:58 PM
Unfortunately Pioneer never produced an Exclusive F7...

Only an F3.

http://audio-database.com/PIONEER-EXCLUSIVE/tuner/f3.JPG

capitanharlo
05-18-2011, 04:07 PM
with the converter I am able to receive the total euro bandwidth from 88 to 108 mhz, so it works just fine!!

Do you mean that is there a way to listen to the euro fm band with an ExclusiveF3?

What about the mhz analog display (from 76 to 90)?

:scratch2:

jwfabrie
05-19-2011, 10:13 AM
Do you mean that is there a way to listen to the euro fm band with an ExclusiveF3?

What about the mhz analog display (from 76 to 90)?

:scratch2:

Yes; there is a way; I can listen to the full spectrum (from 88 to 108 mhz) I use a so called "bandwidth expander". It's designed for used cars which are exported from Japan to elsewhere; I had to do a bit of modification to it, but it works fine; use Google to find out a bit more about it.

jwfabrie
05-20-2011, 04:23 PM
in action:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1320.jpg

:yes:

mad shadows
05-21-2011, 04:01 AM
:drool:

T110
05-26-2011, 02:57 AM
Geez fellas! I just happened on this section and WOW! This Exclusive gear is gorgeous! B E A Utiful stuff! Thanks for sharing all the pics.
Craig.

mertol
05-26-2011, 05:47 AM
For those of you interested in nudies of a C3 and comparison with a Sony TAE 8450 (equaly impresive)

http://analoghifi.com/index.php?option=com_deeppockets&task=catShow&id=3&Itemid=30

http://analoghifi.com/index.php?option=com_easygallery&act=categories&cid=44&Itemid=31

Mertol

tadyellow
05-31-2011, 02:12 PM
I've just bought 2 couple of speakers: Pioneer S-99TwinX and Pioneer S-1000Twin. I'll update image later.

lobot84
07-09-2011, 09:19 AM
Here my Pioneer SET:
some EXCLUSIVE (A-09), some ELITE (M-91) and SILVER series (D-23).
I looking for another PIONEER A-09 (220V), so if anyone have it for sell please contact to me please :thmbsp:
B.T.W.
jwfabrie U Have awsome collection :music: I can only dream about it :scratch2:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1701&pictureid=11030

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1701&pictureid=11031

jwfabrie
07-10-2011, 12:29 PM
lobot 84; nice setup!

You should try and find a PD-95 cd player to go with that A-09; they are a perfect match. The A-09 is a fantastic amp: I have used it for over a year, and loved it to bits!


Cheers:music:

lobot84
07-11-2011, 12:45 PM
THX :smoke:
So far I Used PD-95 :thmbsp:, but a few months ago I gave this player to my father.
I'm currently using OPPO BDP-95eu :yes: and I must say that the musical experience are really good for me, in particular streaming lossless music files.

tadyellow
07-26-2011, 02:57 AM
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1054.jpg


I see, you have got Pioneer D23, may you explain to me how do you use it?

Thank you very much!

P/S: My neighborhood has got system of Exclusive, he will deliver the S5. When it come to, I'll make some pictures and post here.

jwfabrie
07-26-2011, 03:28 AM
The D-23 is a four way active filter; You can connect it directly to your preamp and connect (up to) four poweramps to it, so that you can amplify the different drivers of your speakers with a dedicated amp. Since the D-23 does the filtering, you don't need to use the passive filter in your speakers; the signal is already filtered when it enters the poweramp; thus creating less distortion, and more control, since you can adjust every spectrum to your own preferences.

I sold my D23 after buying the M6 and M7 monoblocs; I have no need for a three of four way active setup with these amps; they already offer me the absolute best sound.

lobot84
07-31-2011, 03:10 AM
The D-23 is a four way active filter; You can connect it directly to your preamp and connect (up to) four poweramps to it, so that you can amplify the different drivers of your speakers with a dedicated amp. Since the D-23 does the filtering, you don't need to use the passive filter in your speakers; the signal is already filtered when it enters the poweramp; thus creating less distortion, and more control, since you can adjust every spectrum to your own preferences.

Confirm :)
Example:
If U have 2 way speakres system (sub/low + midlle/high), then U must use 2 stereo amlpfiers or 4 monoblocs, then on D-23 coss only low pass and midlle/high pass (2 way).
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1701&pictureid=11235

Remember the Pioneer D-23 is an ACTIVE CROSSOVER, so U no need passive crossovers inside Your speakers, just only: AMP -> CABLE -> DRIVER UNIT.

tadyellow
08-01-2011, 09:11 PM
2 days ago, the pairs of Exclusive S5 had arrived in Viet nam, Sai gon. Said my neighborhood about 1 week, it will be Ha noi, at his house :D

I push some pictures here:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/anhso-221305_Exclusive.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/anhso-221328_Exclusive2.jpg


@JW: Thank you for your sharing about D23.

brandon090
08-01-2011, 09:23 PM
***Questions of value go in the Dollars and Sense forum***

jwfabrie
08-02-2011, 01:59 AM
2 days ago, the pairs of Exclusive S5 had arrived in Viet nam, Sai gon. Said my neighborhood about 1 week, it will be Ha noi, at his house :D

Great! they look fantastic. Certainly a rare piece of equipment wich I would love to audition once..

Have fun!

tadyellow
08-04-2011, 09:24 PM
I love 2402 very very much, I wish I'll own in early future. Let hear it's voice on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S11nqJmqYKs

tadyellow
08-10-2011, 10:32 PM
Dear!
I saw the tweeter in S5 which had got the paper line is : Pd-014a1
May you give me some information about it?

Thank you very much!

tadyellow
08-13-2011, 05:48 AM
I post some images from my neighbourhood's system, his system includes:
- Speaker: 3401, S5, Onkyo scepter 1
- Control amplifier: C3, Woodham
- Power amplifier: M5, M3
- Source: Sony R1, Pioneer S10A, Akai 747dx, Mirco seiki
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5731.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5682-1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5698.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5696.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5702.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5699.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5711.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5713.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5717.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5720.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5727.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5728.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa472/sigmasvn1999/IMG_5730.jpg

siamac
08-13-2011, 01:01 PM
Very EXCLUSIVE components :ntwrthy::ntwrthy::ntwrthy:

tadyellow
08-13-2011, 09:07 PM
Thank you! However, the system is not mine, they belonged to my neighbourhood. In my street, the house has very small rooms, so we're not please to post pictures more. As sound technology, the small room affect to the soundstage. You see, this room as about 10m weight, ~2m deep. But I'd like to love the sound from eXclusive.

My system is only:
Speaker: Pioneer Twin1000, eXclusive 2251
Control amplifier: Sony TA-E9000ES, Sony Espirit TA-E88
Power amplifier: Sony TA-N9000ES, Sony Espirit TA-N88
Source: Sony TA-DVP9000ES, Pioneer DV-AX10

My room is smaller than my neighbourhood, I'd not like to capture some thing to be here :no:

tadyellow
08-13-2011, 09:19 PM
I'd like to own 2402, but, I think, though any eXclusive, they need to walk together with compatible speaker cable. With Pioneer Twin1000, 3401, the speaker cable is Music Metre, Supra Rondo. I think the perfect speaker cable is Tad-Tc102, so, I've not ever found any item in any shop over the world (has got website). Please take to me the right think?

Our present cables:
Interconnect: Audio Technica Ceramic, Audio Technica AT5000, Supra Sword
Speaker cable: Music Metre, Supra Rondo, Talk.

I tried to test speaker cables such as: Furukawa, Kimber Kable, Nordost, Audio Note, Audio quest, Tanoy, Pursit. Any them has got the good sound, the worst is Pursit, KK & Nordost.

jwfabrie
08-14-2011, 11:20 AM
Beautifull components!! those eXclusive S5 speakers are HUGE! They are much bigger than I expected..

With regard to cables; I am using a rather cheap Kimber cable with massive copper cores; the result is very pleasing actually. I've tried a number of different things, and ended up with these.

I'd really like to try some TAD cables as well; they are hard to find indeed; but you could be succesful in Japan.

Cheers,

Willem

tadyellow
08-14-2011, 09:30 PM
JW, thank you for your reply!
The S5 has got amazing sound, I did not image how it was.
So, I often search in hifido, if I find any TAD speaker cable, then I'll email to you immediately. Because of delivering from Tokyo to Vietnam was difficult, so I do not often buy from.

tadyellow
09-19-2011, 08:50 AM
Dear!
My old friend who has got eXclusive system will take the Pioneer A09, T09. The compo will be at his house for a few next day. I'll capture image as soon as possible.

jwfabrie
09-21-2011, 12:09 PM
the Pioneer A-09 is a great component, as is the PD-T09 cd player! It is known as the Pioneer PD-95 outside Japan.

mathuwm
09-21-2011, 02:32 PM
was any of the Exclusive sold in the USA?

jwfabrie
09-21-2011, 02:51 PM
only (possibly) the speakers.. But that was most certainly only on demand..

janne
10-01-2011, 11:37 AM
hello i have the amp pioneer eclusive a-09 and pd-95 ct-95 in my rig nice sound:yes:

jwfabrie
10-01-2011, 05:17 PM
great rig janne!!

janne
10-01-2011, 06:50 PM
great rig janne!!

hello yes pioneer exlusive a-09 is the best amp still goes strong after many years

tadyellow
12-19-2011, 12:58 AM
@jwfabrie:

May you clarify me some thing about information?

1- Does the Pioneer A-09 integrated amplifier to be called as eXclusive?
2- If you've got 2 options to buy, which is the best will you choose?
a/ Mono block eXclusive M7
b/ Stereo eXclusive M8

with the loud-speaker is: eXclusive 2402?

Thank you!

mertol
12-19-2011, 04:16 AM
I don't think that A-09 can be called exclusive although it's quality is far above the standard line.

I'd grab which ever (M07 or M08) I'd come across at a reasonable price. I haven't had the chance to listen any of them (I own the M5, F3, C3) but I doubt that there is more than %0.1 difference between them in normal listening levels.

Mertol

jwfabrie
12-19-2011, 05:51 AM
The A-09 can't be called eXclusive; since It isn't marketed as so.. However, It certainly is a very Exclusive integrated amplifier! and it's building quality is superb! I have owned one, and still do regret selling it quite often.. It sound fantastic as well!

I'd chose the M7's over the M8 anytime; My opinion is that the dedicated monodesign is always better as the mono/stereo option of the M8..

Most certainly al the eXclusive amps are worth it; and they do all sound very, very well, to such an amount that much difference isn't that audible. However, my C3/M3 combo sounds way different than my C7/M7 trio: the latter has much more clarity and tightness in the sound; the majority of the difference comes from the pre; the C7 has much lower hiss level than the C3.

I have a pair of M6 mono's as well, and although they sound fantastic, I prefer the M7's.. I can't exactly pinpoint why, other than their totally different design.

tadyellow
12-19-2011, 09:37 PM
Dear JW!

Thank you for your reply!

Since the A09 comes to perfect sound with 3 speakers that I tested, then I amazed so much. I though A09 is near to be come exclusive name.

@mertol:

I found some informations is here
http://www.thevintageknob.org/pioneer-A-09.html

brief of A09 desc:

Anyway -
Borrowed from the earlier Exclusive M7 is the separation of... everything : two boxes in one, voltage and current stages remain fed by different transformer windings.


Thank you, mertol for your opinion!

Well, for the second question, I agree with you, Jwfabrie.

Many thank to you!

P/S: May you upload a video then I can hear the voice from C7?

megasat16
12-21-2011, 01:10 AM
I don't think that A-09 can be called exclusive although it's quality is far above the standard line.

I'd grab which ever (M07 or M08) I'd come across at a reasonable price. I haven't had the chance to listen any of them (I own the M5, F3, C3) but I doubt that there is more than %0.1 difference between them in normal listening levels.

Mertol

I am on the lookout for another M8 or a pair of M7. I guess the sound of the older Class A PP series (M4,M5, M6) and the newer (M7 and M8) quite different. I guess the later Pioneer are made on the more neutral side than the sweet pioneer sound they fashioned in the 80s.

The A-09 can't be called eXclusive; since It isn't marketed as so.. However, It certainly is a very Exclusive integrated amplifier! and it's building quality is superb! I have owned one, and still do regret selling it quite often.. It sound fantastic as well!

I'd chose the M7's over the M8 anytime; My opinion is that the dedicated monodesign is always better as the mono/stereo option of the M8..

Most certainly al the eXclusive amps are worth it; and they do all sound very, very well, to such an amount that much difference isn't that audible. However, my C3/M3 combo sounds way different than my C7/M7 trio: the latter has much more clarity and tightness in the sound; the majority of the difference comes from the pre; the C7 has much lower hiss level than the C3.

I have a pair of M6 mono's as well, and although they sound fantastic, I prefer the M7's.. I can't exactly pinpoint why, other than their totally different design.

Hello Willem,

Been a while since I have been to AK. I guess M8 or M7 really depends on the speakers. I am also wanting a pair of M7 or another M8.

I also prefers mono amps over stereo amps but I think the case of M7 and M8 needs to be compared. M8 is a pretty fine amps and latest pioneer attempt with some updates from the M7. M8 is not a weakling when it comes to control of the demanding electrostatics speakers or low load speakers. M8 60w (Class A) has every juice to move the stats better than the Accuphase P1000 125W (Class AB).

As for M6, I guess you need C5 for them to sound fantastic? Isn't it how they are meant to be? But whatever the case, every piece of exclusive gear worth every pennies you've saved! :D

Greetings from CA!

James

mertol
12-21-2011, 05:05 AM
Trying to restore my old M4 and comparing it to M5 I can tell that both had ruler flat frequency response with less than 0.1 db fluctuation. (as we all know this is not a huge achievement)

Therefore, while I hadn't had the chance to listen to M7 or M8, I personally doubt that M4 or M5 has a easy to distinguish sonic signature.

Anyway, I totally agree that Pioneer exclusive gear wroths every penny, (just like the Sony Vfet line)

jwfabrie
12-21-2011, 07:59 AM
Well,

the eXclusive thread has come to new life certainly! Maybe than it's time to post some new pictures of eXclusive gear as well??

Who wants to start!?

jwfabrie
12-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Ok..

I'll start.

This is my "old" setup:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1649.jpg

The components in this rig are:
M3 power
C3 pre
F3 tuner
P3 turntable
CS-3000a speakers
CP-95 speakerstands
SD-1100 scope
DV-AX10 DVD-A/SACD player.

I am still looking for a better setup for the Turntable.

mertol
12-21-2011, 02:38 PM
How does the CS3000A sound?

jwfabrie
12-21-2011, 04:09 PM
Mertol;

The CS-3000a sound quality is very good to my ears: The sound very rich and they deliver a good soundstage.

Enough power to fill the room with music if you would desire so.

Compaired to the eXclusive 3401's I must admit they sound a bit less, but I do like them just the same. Next to that, the buildquality is beyond every other speaker I have ever seen. the woodwork and drivers are really special!

mertol
12-21-2011, 04:21 PM
I hope I can find one in Turkey (I know there is one , the one you had been interested but the seller was a bit weird)

jwfabrie
12-22-2011, 08:46 AM
Mertol,
If you are able to fetch that pair (I know which pair you mean) I would gladly advise you to do so. What is important though, is that they are 100% functioning.. finding replacement parts will be next to impossible. These speakers are quite rare and the parts are even more rare!

mertol
12-22-2011, 02:31 PM
The seller was a little bit awkard and he registered off the auction site, so there is no way to reach him. But sooner or later I wil come across that pair hopefully.

megasat16
12-22-2011, 06:00 PM
Here is my current Pioneer With some eXclusive gears. Amps are Luxman B-10 monoblock. I rotate gears a few times a month so the M8 is not in use at the moment.


http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=318688&stc=1&d=1324598394

jwfabrie
12-24-2011, 06:13 AM
Nice setup!

What is the difference in sound between the M8 and the Luxman's?

jwfabrie
12-24-2011, 08:16 AM
the "new" rig:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1670.jpg

megasat16
12-24-2011, 06:57 PM
Nice setup!

What is the difference in sound between the M8 and the Luxman's?

Thanks! Luxman are very sweet sounding amps but I prefer C7a+M8 combo. Everything just so seamless and coherent with C7a and M8.

the "new" rig:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee293/jwfabrie/IMG_1670.jpg

Nice! :thmbsp: How do you get that 100lb+ monoblocs on top of the 3401?

jwfabrie
12-25-2011, 04:43 AM
They need to be lifted with two! indeed the M7's are way to heavy to safely lift on your own..

I am still working on a better configuration; ofcourse the monos on top of the 3401's isn't ideal..

megasat16
12-25-2011, 03:54 PM
I think the M7s on top of the 3401 isn't too bad as far as the location goes (prefer you are running balanced I/C between C7 and M7?). I think the M7s sitting on the 3401 will help stabilize the 3401 with additional weight and helps ventilate themselves better air flow?

Speaking of heat; I remember the M8 runs very hot (unable to touch the heatsinks after 30 minutes of idling and the whole chassis gets hot after about an hour of use). How hot does the M7 gets?

tadyellow
12-26-2011, 03:46 AM
I think the M7s on top of the 3401 isn't too bad as far as the location goes (prefer you are running balanced I/C between C7 and M7?). I think the M7s sitting on the 3401 will help stabilize the 3401 with additional weight and helps ventilate themselves better air flow?


No, I don't think so, I don't think any heavily sitting on top of loud-speaker can help performance sound become better, especial weigh and floor type speaker, such as 3401. I tried to put 55kg on top with Onkyo Scepter 10 (the horn can be impact easily sounding by ear), however, it's not better than before.


@Jwfabrie: There are 2 products named as C7, C7a, aren't there? And, did you work with V7 for stereo sounding?

jwfabrie
12-26-2011, 05:57 AM
@ megasat: my M7 run hot, but only that hot that the heating vents are very warm, not the rest of the amplifier.. It's strange that your M8 runs much hotter.. to my opinion it shouldn't.

@ tadyellow: there is indeed the C7 and the C7a.. most common difference is that the C7a doesn't support the connection with the V7.. however this doesn't hold account for all C7a's. Next to this, there's also some difference in internal sheelding etc etc.

the V7 is strictly a videorouter; so it doesn't contribute anything to the sound, I have connected it since it gives me the capability to control the C7 with the remote of the V7.. which is nice.



Indeed the M7 are connected balanced with same length cables to the C7. I don't know if it makes any difference to the sound with the M7's sitting on top, I do know that the 3401's can easily carry this weight.

My goal is to build a pair of custom stands somewhere in the future for the 3401's so I can lift them about 50 cm's. I thought of a construction with a shelf underneath holding the amps; ofcourse this will be decoupled from the stands.

mertol
12-26-2011, 10:37 AM
I know that there a lot more knowledgable people than me on this forum on this topic, but :

Technically shortening the power amp to speaker cable should result in better damping, however I had read some where that blind tests have concluded that human ear is not very sensitive to this parameter (and how much it will improve by further shortening the cable a few cm's is a question) And increasing the length of pre to power amp cabling might result in higher distortions , however considering that it's balanced all the way (PS: if the internals are not balanced all the way, I'd prefer a single ended cable) and distortion introduced by even the best speakers are far beyond what increasing the pre-power distance up an other meter would introduce.

So technically there shouldn't be too much of an impact for putting the power amp on top of the speaker.

However I think that all top end pioneer and sony gear is very pleasing to the eye and deserve a lay out where most of their parts are exposed. This is why I have chosen a flat, horizontal layout for my exclusive rig.

my 50 cents
Mertol

megasat16
12-26-2011, 11:06 AM
No, I don't think so, I don't think any heavily sitting on top of loud-speaker can help performance sound become better, especial weigh and floor type speaker, such as 3401. I tried to put 55kg on top with Onkyo Scepter 10 (the horn can be impact easily sounding by ear), however, it's not better than before.



Good Point. There are rules and exceptions while putting additional weight on the floor type speakers such as 3401. If you put any object on top of the speaker closer to the front baffle, it will actually change the sound of the speaker (better or worse). Most speakers made today will have baffle step compensation of the front baffle in the XO designs. If you put any object on top of the speaker on modern speakers, it can sounds much worse. So, you will want to put the vibration damping weight (such as solid stab of copper or graphite) as far away from the front baffle and put it closer to the rear baffle of the speakers. A heavy metal slab or graphite slab will help improve the imaging of the speakers when the heavy bass hits.

But again, the speakers 20-30 years old may not have baffle step compensations in the XO design. I don't know what effects the extra weight will have on the horn loaded speakers so you may be quite right that it doesn't do anything.

I guess there's one way to find out if the additional weight on the speakers are useful or not. If it doesn't smear the sound, I prefer to put the weight on the speakers. But 3401 being super heavy, 100lb+ weight may not be required by all means.

But in case of where JW putting M7 on the 3401, it's away from the front baffle so I think it's OK.

@ megasat: my M7 run hot, but only that hot that the heating vents are very warm, not the rest of the amplifier.. It's strange that your M8 runs much hotter.. to my opinion it shouldn't.

JW, thanks for the concern. The M8 is checked and serviced by the Pioneer Exclusive and there is no problem. I asked about the heat and I was told the M8 is pure Class A design (not sure it's SE or PushPull design). I did pop open the top cover to check the output transistors but they are all hidden behind the copper metal clad heatshields so I don't know what they are. The idle current seems OK on both side and the DC offset is very close to 10mV or less on both sides.

I think it is possible the M8 is made to run much hotter than the M7.

mertol
12-26-2011, 11:26 AM
baffle step diffraction is usually related to norrowest dimension of the front baffle which is usual width. therefore while it will of course very slightly change the baffle step pattern, it's quite unlikely that an object sitting on it's own legs (i.e. with very little surface sharing) on top of a quite wide and tall speaker will make an audible difference in baffle step diffraction. however it will slightly effect the baffle diffraction pattern of the horn driver but I doubt that it would audible as the amplifier is standing on its own legs and doesn't form a continuity on the front baffle.

Baffle step problem had been known for at least 40 years if I am not mistaken and I am sure that designer of those speakers did know a few things about this. -3db point for 3401 should be around 185hz. Not knowing the sensvity of the drivers and knowing that the XO is at 900hz I can say that it's unlikely that bsc circuit is employed at the XO (I am not sure though) As this is a front ported design, if I were the designer, I would tune the enclosure size and port size to have slight pump in the 150hz region to compensate for much of the bsc and the rest (30-80hz region) can be handled by placing it near to the wall (or embedded in to the wall)

PS: I know that a few studios used those speakers embedded in to the walls, and if those models use the exact same XO than it could be safe to assume that BSC was not part of the design and these speakers are designed to be very close to the back wall.

Mertol

megasat16
12-26-2011, 11:47 AM
Technically shortening the power amp to speaker cable should result in better damping, however I had read some where that blind tests have concluded that human ear is not very sensitive to this parameter (and how much it will improve by further shortening the cable a few cm's is a question) And increasing the length of pre to power amp cabling might result in higher distortions , however considering that it's balanced all the way (PS: if the internals are not balanced all the way, I'd prefer a single ended cable) and distortion introduced by even the best speakers are far beyond what increasing the pre-power distance up an other meter would introduce.



Agreed to both counts. The short speaker cables will have better sounding than the equivalent same type longer length speaker cable because less power is lost in the shorter cable.

Longer length RCA cable is prone to outside noise and signal degradations and even smallest change in these signal lines can result in much worse sound than the gains from the shorter length speaker cable.

XLR cables have a very good CMRR (due to balanced lines) so it's no longer a problem. The C7 is fully balanced preamp. I am not sure about the M7 to be fully balanced all the way to the output transistors but it will still have the advantage of the noise rejection from the XLR even if it's not totally balanced all the way to the output transistors.

Basically, my rule of thumb is to use the RCA cables between pre and power amp as short and as possible. And put all RCA cables away from each other, from the power sources/cords and the speaker wires.

XLR cables are routed in the same manner as RCA cables even though I know I don't have to but I guess it's just a good practice.

Cut the speaker cable to length between the power amps and the speakers and put the speaker wires away from the power cords, and the RCA cables and other noise sources.

hjackxiao
12-31-2011, 08:36 AM
Hi guys,
It is enlightening to read this thread! I've just came across an eXclusive M10 in mean condition (100V Japanese version) and wonder has anybody here had any comments on this model? It seems to be REALLy rare! Any idea on the market value would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

hjackxiao
12-31-2011, 08:47 AM
In fact there are another two pieces of eXclusive gears to choose from, a M4 and a M4a...so M10, M4 & M4a, what are the main differences between them? I do know the M4s are in class A while the M10 is an AB amp but sonically are they very different? Still any input on the market value of there gears will be greatly appreciated! I will have to get one of them...Sadly none of those came with the matching preamp!

DENNYDOG
12-31-2011, 08:57 AM
Questions of value need to be posted in dollars and sense.

The Exclusive series are great amps. Here is a link with more info about them. http://audio-database.com/PIONEER-EXCLUSIVE/amp/index2.html

Good luck. I would love to own an Exclusive set some day.

jwfabrie
12-31-2011, 09:30 AM
I can't comment on either the M4, M4a or M10, since I have never heard any. However what I can say is this; the M4 and M4a are pretty much the same apart from some minor upgrades. They are positioned higher than the M10 and my belief is they will sound a bit more sophisticated.

Search and you will find either the C3(a) or C10 as matching preamp.

hjackxiao
12-31-2011, 08:49 PM
Thanks for your inputs. I did visit the audio-database site and see all the information there. I can see that the M10 is a much later product than the M4s (M3 too but not M5) and it's priced lower than the M4s. However, specs wise, the M10 is much higher (better?) than the M4s, THD, Damping factor...Due to lacking of informaiton, I cannot compare them to the M5 or M7 to see if that really mean anything. A photo of the internal M10 to share and all I can say is: stunning...

mertol
01-01-2012, 05:41 AM
I ha the chance to own a M4 and M3 and M5's ad never listened to an M10. Just looking at the pictures the interior looks as hi-end as the M4 and better than the M3. I think it was slightly less expensive than the M4. Certainly it's quite rare. Depending on the price even though I own a few other exclusive I'd still consider buying them.

If you happen to buy, please post a few detailed pictures...

White_wolf
01-03-2012, 06:32 AM
a pair of 2402 speakers on the bay. Is that the proper price or is he wanting more than they are worth.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exclusive-TAD-2402-Speaker-Made-Japan-/370522469459?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item5644dc3453

KentTeffeteller
01-03-2012, 07:58 AM
Probably what they're worth. Technically a TAD based horn loaded studio monitor (TAD being Pioneer's professional speaker division). Rare and never sold here or in Canada.

mertol
01-03-2012, 08:21 AM
Slightly above the market I think , I have seen them being sold at 10k USD .

siamac
01-06-2012, 03:11 AM
http://www.abload.de/img/photofunia-314b94bjzwv.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=photofunia-314b94bjzwv.jpg)

jwfabrie
01-28-2012, 03:01 PM
Nice artwork Siamac :thmbsp:

Kahunacanuck
01-29-2012, 06:01 PM
Recently received this P10 from Asia, am really enjoying it!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/KahunaCanuck/Audio%20Video/7398f881.jpg
I have both the standard straight & curved arms, though I understand the straight sounds better (have not tried the curved). This unit is minty and doesn't look it's age! I can't imagine how big the P3/P3A's must be, this is a big table!
Sold my VPI Classic after setting this up. Really enjoying the music that flows from it...:thmbsp:

Speakerbox
01-29-2012, 07:06 PM
this gear look so incredible.

jwfabrie
01-31-2012, 01:57 AM
Recently received this P10 from Asia, am really enjoying it!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/KahunaCanuck/Audio%20Video/7398f881.jpg
I have both the standard straight & curved arms, though I understand the straight sounds better (have not tried the curved). This unit is minty and doesn't look it's age! I can't imagine how big the P3/P3A's must be, this is a big table!
Sold my VPI Classic after setting this up. Really enjoying the music that flows from it...:thmbsp:

Congrats on that fine machine! You got yourself a timeless piece of audio (over)engineering right there.

Speakerbox
01-31-2012, 08:35 AM
Is this line still produced?

jwfabrie
01-31-2012, 12:11 PM
Nope; C7a and M8 where the officialy last produced items; around the end of the nineties.

Speakerbox
01-31-2012, 02:28 PM
Nope; C7a and M8 where the officialy last produced items; around the end of the nineties.

where is this gear ranked with other seriously high end gear?

Like Mark Levinson? McIntosh? ect ect?

megasat16
01-31-2012, 10:47 PM
Nope; C7a and M8 where the officialy last produced items; around the end of the nineties.

I may be wrong but the M8 were available till the 2002s or after according to Pioneer Japan.

C7a probably was also available for special order till then.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326654&stc=1&d=1328072447

jwfabrie
02-01-2012, 02:02 AM
@ megasat: I'd say you are right; they kept selling them very discretely untill late 2003, maybe even 2004.. The numbers that sold every year where probably very insignificant. Real marketing stopped around 1999/2000.

@ Speakerbox: Hard to tell for me since I never heard McIntosh.. but I did hear Mark Levinson. My opinion is that this stuff is better than most build by ML at least.. the layout, build materials and parts used are generaly spoken higher quality. Nonetheless this is still also, more or less, a matter of taste.

Maybe it's best to conclude that the eXclusive line was, and is, right there at the top of the high end shelf together with alot of other material..

You can get some more insight if you look at some Japanese websites and TVK.

jigster
05-12-2012, 05:12 AM
Hi,

I have a pair of 2402s and procured a pair of TL-1601B drivers by mistake.
Out of curiosity, just wanted to know if they can be used on the 2402s since they have almost the same specs except for higher sensitivity (0.5db), output and on the TL-1601b.

I'm not technically inclined and this may be a dumb question but does the higher wattage output (500W vs 300W) of the 1601b mean that bass will be stronger?

I have linked the specs for both below:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/45/200/1083/TL-1601a/specs.html
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/45/200/1083/TL-1601b/specs.html

If its not a good idea then I'll have to think about selling the 1601b.

Any comments are most welcome.

Thanks.

Regards,
Jason

jwfabrie
05-15-2012, 09:45 AM
Jason,
I believe you should do just fine with the 1601b drivers: bass won't be much stronger, you are still using the same amp.. the sensitivity of these drivers is about the same as the 1601a version, so my expectation is that sound won't be much different at all..

Just give it a try and let us know!

Good luck!

monstermania
06-15-2012, 07:26 AM
I have done exhaustive google searches of "Pioneer Exclusive for sale" nothing.

Where is the secret Exclusive store at that people get this stuff? :scratch2:

I do not have 2 cents to rub together I am just curious about pricing and to actually see some of it for sale.

VinylHead542
06-22-2012, 01:34 PM
jwfabrie what rack is that where all you equipment sits on and how did you get your P3 (where etc)? How does the P3 sound? :D

jwfabrie
06-24-2012, 03:46 PM
the rack is a quadrasipre Q4L rack..
I got the P3 in Japan, about the only place to find them for a decent price.

With regard to sound all I can say is; this is among the top TT available!!

jwfabrie
06-24-2012, 03:48 PM
@ monstermania:

This stuff is being offererd very rarely, one has to be lucky and very patient.. especially outside of Japan, the numbers are extremely small, so it takes time (years) to find what you are looking for..

hennessy
06-25-2012, 01:15 PM
Even if it shows anywhere, it still going to end in the Koninkrijk der Nederlanden :pity:
@monstermania - sing The Wilhelmus five times a day everyday, then maybe the gods might have some mercy on you and your luck:D

jwfabrie
06-27-2012, 04:52 PM
:smoke::smoke:

I guess I have to apologize for my feeding frenzy on eXclusives... :D

damacman
08-12-2012, 05:01 PM
OK, I'm really glad that I joined AK now. For years, I have heard about the Pioneer Exclusive products, but have never seen a picture of a single component. Today, a member referred me to this thread - wow.

I have a unique Pioneer component, but know very little about its origin - a Pioneer PD-T07 Stable Platter CD Player. I traded a Pioneer rep out of this unit in about 1996, and I've had it ever since. It has been a real treat to own, although I don't use at as frequently as I once did. Unfortunately, I have never been able to use it's XLR outputs because I've never owned a preamp or amplifier that was fully balanced.

Can any of you in this thread tell me more about the unit I own? I'm going to attempt to attach a few pics of it.

White_wolf
08-30-2012, 09:42 PM
OK, I'm really glad that I joined AK now. For years, I have heard about the Pioneer Exclusive products, but have never seen a picture of a single component. Today, a member referred me to this thread - wow.

I have a unique Pioneer component, but know very little about its origin - a Pioneer PD-T07 Stable Platter CD Player. I traded a Pioneer rep out of this unit in about 1996, and I've had it ever since. It has been a real treat to own, although I don't use at as frequently as I once did. Unfortunately, I have never been able to use it's XLR outputs because I've never owned a preamp or amplifier that was fully balanced.

Can any of you in this thread tell me more about the unit I own? I'm going to attempt to attach a few pics of it.

This looks to be a silver version of the PD-75 stable plater it also has XLR outputs.

hennessy
08-31-2012, 07:14 PM
It is not eXclusive, though. Shouldn't belong here. It is on par with PD-75. I think there is a difference. PD-75 is not a Legato, but I think T-07 is. T-09 is the same as PD-95, and Pioneer did not make any better spinners than that.

w3bp
09-03-2012, 11:42 AM
I just got a pair of these TADs. I guess they are the same as eXclusive 2401s.
Serial numbers are 00007 & 00008. They sound great and in excellent condition!

krowmagnum
09-03-2012, 08:35 PM
I just got a pair of these TADs. I guess they are the same as eXclusive 2401s.
Serial numbers are 00007 & 00008. They sound great and in excellent condition!

Excellent find. Those are at the top of my wish list.

Welcome to the forum and nice listening room. :thmbsp:

jwfabrie
09-05-2012, 04:44 PM
GREAT speakers! I'd love to find a pair of the single ones myself one day..

You are using a D-23 with them?

They are hard to find, that's for sure!

w3bp
09-08-2012, 10:07 AM
GREAT speakers! I'd love to find a pair of the single ones myself one day..

You are using a D-23 with them?

They are hard to find, that's for sure!

You have sharp eyes! No the D23 is not being used with the TSM-1s. I've used it with WE594s and TD4001s for thirty years with eight cell tar filled metal horns and various LF speakers including corner horns. The TH4001s sound very good, I did not realize my old metal horns where more suited for a public address system!

darrenw
09-19-2012, 03:59 PM
hello all - i have a pair of 2251 pioneer exclusive speakers and keen to find out more about them - this thread looks a great place to start

i am deciding if I prefer them to my tannoy golds - chalk and cheese but both good at the moment - any tips on getting the best out of them would be much appreciated

kind regards
Darren

twinsin
11-16-2012, 10:05 PM
im actually heading into japan-hong kong- mainland china (mainly guangzhou) on a business trip in the spring and am thinking of upgrading to c3-m3-f3(maybe) does anyone hav a idea where to look and prices

jwfabrie
11-18-2012, 09:34 AM
@ Darren: are you powering them active or passive?
the sound will certainly be influenced alot by their position. What kind of stands are you using if any?

@ twinsin: check Hifido and Yahoo japan Auctions. The C3/M3/F3 is a good choice, I still am very fond of mine and will enjoy them for many more years to come.

mertol
11-19-2012, 01:18 PM
im actually heading into japan-hong kong- mainland china (mainly guangzhou) on a business trip in the spring and am thinking of upgrading to c3-m3-f3(maybe) does anyone hav a idea where to look and prices

I'd prefer M4 over M3 any given day

br
Mertol

hugeroost
12-18-2012, 02:58 PM
I just got a pair of these TADs. I guess they are the same as eXclusive 2401s.
Serial numbers are 00007 & 00008. They sound great and in excellent condition!

w3, where did you come across those bad boys at, here in US, man their nice, how much did you have to pay. This thread is great, and I thought I had seen most everything pioneer, i"ve never seen any of this stuff. Of coarse you wouldnt in Texas or Miami, my two hangouts. I would love to do a side by with those pioneers vs my klipsch.

djkiwi
01-21-2013, 04:19 AM
w3, where did you come across those bad boys at, here in US, man their nice, how much did you have to pay. This thread is great, and I thought I had seen most everything pioneer, i"ve never seen any of this stuff. Of coarse you wouldnt in Texas or Miami, my two hangouts. I would love to do a side by with those pioneers vs my klipsch.

I have some pioneer/TAD equivalent 2402s running fully active which I adore. Also own a pioneer active D-23 which I also adore. There is a small problem with the D23 in that the high right channel frequency is not matched with the left channel so I need to use the balance controls to match them.

I took it to a highly experienced tech who could not fix it so I'm wondering where you guys are sending your pioneer gear for repair?

Thanks
DJ

delirio
10-08-2013, 05:58 PM
Good evening Gents,

I was wondering if any of you owns an original pair of CP-2251 (original stands for the 2251 speakers).
If someone does..would you mind let me know the specs (material and dimensions) ?

Thanks

AP

siamac
10-21-2013, 03:20 PM
Pioneer Exclusive M6 Amplifiers

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siamac
11-14-2013, 05:36 AM
What I realized, almost all Exclusive-components, sold only in Japan, had no Pioneer written at the front.:scratch2:
Besides F-3 and M4
Exclusive components sold worldwide, had a smal Pioneer fonts in the front.
(C3,M3,M6,C7,M7,M8)

jwfabrie
11-18-2013, 02:30 PM
You are very right Siamac: the first series sold in Japan only had the Pioneer tag on the front, being the C3, M3, M4 and F3. All the other components only had eXclusive written on them indeed..

I noticed that myself as well some years ago. However: The C7 and M7 did have the Pioneer tag on them, both in Japan and in Europe..

:scratch2:

siamac
11-21-2013, 03:03 PM
Here the new in rio palisander real-wood veneered woodcases:

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