View Full Version : What Is A Good Pioneer Turntable?


GlamMetlChld
09-07-2009, 05:25 PM
Im looking for one that would match a Silver collection from the late 70's. Could anybody here give me a few suggestions?

SRVDean
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
The 1979 version of the PL-600 is an awesome table, and is regarded pretty well around here. I have A Pioneer PL-640 in my main system that I love more than bread. Direct Drive, heavy platter, and quartz lock. Both of these are also silver!

GlamMetlChld
09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
The 1979 version of the PL-600 is an awesome table, and is regarded pretty well around here. I have A Pioneer PL-640 in my main system that I love more than bread. Direct Drive, heavy platter, and quartz lock. Both of these are also silver!

http://www.dd-turntables.com/files/Pioneer_PL-600_1.JPG

Is it this one? That thing is beautiful. How much would one cost?

onepixel
09-07-2009, 05:50 PM
The original PL-570 matches up nicely with the wood veneered receivers and components.

http://onepixeldesign.com/stereo/pioneer_PL570.jpg

hakaplan
09-07-2009, 06:00 PM
The 1979 version of the PL-600 is an awesome table, and is regarded pretty well around here. I have A Pioneer PL-640 in my main system that I love more than bread. Direct Drive, heavy platter, and quartz lock. Both of these are also silver!
I think you mean a PL-630. The 640 is quite a different animal. The PL-630 (full auto) and PL-610 (semi-auto) were silver and TOTL in 1978.

Values are based on the market; I'm not suggesting you buy one on ebay (other than local pickup), but look there and see what people are bidding. The PL-600 is still very much under the radar so you should be able to get one reasonably.

chicks
09-07-2009, 06:20 PM
I like my PL-71 a lot. Fully manual. No quartz lock, but holds its speed very well (so far).

http://www.chicksolutions.com/speakers/100_1379.JPG

jleon92f
09-07-2009, 08:11 PM
Im looking for one that would match a Silver collection from the late 70's. Could anybody here give me a few suggestions?

pL-630 would be nice..

Thanks,
John.:music::D

Divotdog
09-07-2009, 08:20 PM
The PL-600 is a great table, I had one for awhile and I regret getting rid of it.

DENNYDOG
09-07-2009, 08:21 PM
I love my PL-630 but every one I've had has had speed issues. It never seems like I can get the quartz lock button cleaned well enough and have to screw around with it all the time. I am thinking of wiring it in quartz lock mode as I don't use the manual speed adjustment anyway.

I would go for the PL-71 if one came my way. Never had any problems with speed issues on the Pioneer tt's that weren't quartz locked.

ybaolywa
09-07-2009, 08:42 PM
+1 The PL-600

SRVDean
09-07-2009, 10:44 PM
I think you mean a PL-630. The 640 is quite a different animal. The PL-630 (full auto) and PL-610 (semi-auto) were silver and TOTL in 1978.

Values are based on the market; I'm not suggesting you buy one on ebay (other than local pickup), but look there and see what people are bidding. The PL-600 is still very much under the radar so you should be able to get one reasonably.

PL-640. Direct Drive, Silver, straight arm with the damping system. QUITE sure.

kermit z
09-07-2009, 11:01 PM
PL-640. Direct Drive, Silver, straight arm with the damping system. QUITE sure.

The 600 and the 640 are from 2 different series. Your 640 seems to be from around 1983-84. The 600 was from 1979-82.

I'll add a +1 for the PL-600:thmbsp:

BrocLuno
09-07-2009, 11:25 PM
I'm a PL-71 fan too :)

SRVDean
09-07-2009, 11:45 PM
The 600 and the 640 are from 2 different series. Your 640 seems to be from around 1983-84. The 600 was from 1979-82.

I'll add a +1 for the PL-600

I'm suggesting both tables.:thmbsp:

onepixel
09-07-2009, 11:54 PM
If you're thinking silvery Pioneer Series 20 from the late 70s then the PL-C590 will match up very nicely.

http://onepixeldesign.com/stereo/PLC590.jpg

Divotdog
09-08-2009, 12:06 AM
Particularly with that Black Widow arm! :thmbsp:

boreas
09-08-2009, 12:08 AM
You're fortunate in that Pioneer made quite a few really good tables in the '70s. The PL-600, 610 and 630 are all worth having. Another would be the PL-560 from 1978 - 1980. It's a great table, a little more "old school" in appearance than those mentioned so far.

http://www.classic-audio.com/pioneer/pl0560.html

John

Arkay
09-08-2009, 05:22 AM
Pioneer made some very nice tables:

At the top end, if your budget is BIG (sorry, they ain't cheap) would be the Exclusive P3a. This was arguably the best TT Pioneer ever made. It sounds absolutely wonderful, and is gorgeous to look at. You'd be hard-pressed to find a nicer vintage turntable, with the exception of a handful of similar Japan-market-only TOTL models from the '80s, or some silly-expensive exotics.

I'll mention one that you'll probably not be able to find (The Vintage Knob site calls it "xxx-rare", and even in Japan it only shows up for sale perhaps once a year, if that often) but worth mentioning is the PL-L1 linear tracker. It is black, so it won't match woodgrain, but it has silver parts and it's a genuine vintage Pioneer, a "statement" turntable that should always be grabbed if you can find one. With the black-and-silver coloring, it does match well visually with some vintage pieces like the Sansui AU-8500 or AU-9500 amps.

More affordable and easier to find, but at least as hard (probably harder) to find as the P3a, is the PL-C590 (or PLC-590) shown in OnePixel's post. Another VERY nice TT, but with more black (actually dark gray/anthracite) instead of woodgrain.

The PL-600, 610 and 630 have been mentioned. I'd add support for those; very nice TTs for a vintage system, and they'll match visually with the old silver gear. The 630 has the convenience of being fully automatic, too.

I'd say those are the best vintage Pioneer TTs, in descending order. Below these are a whole slew of decent mid-fi TTs, some of which have been pictured in this thread. Nothing wrong with any of those, but the ones I've listed above are the BEST of a generally very good bunch. There are also a bunch of cheap, better-not-go-there TTs that Pioneer (like every major brand) made over the years. You should be able to eliminate those by looking at them. If you are considering a TT and aren't sure about it, come back here and ask about it. Practically every TT made probably has at least one owner here, who can comment knowledgeably about it.

melofelo
09-08-2009, 07:33 AM
If you're thinking silvery Pioneer Series 20 from the late 70s then the PL-C590 will match up very nicely.

that table and tonearm looks waay too cool ! :thmbsp:

eb2jim
09-08-2009, 09:59 AM
I had a Pioneer from the late 70s that was all silvery - I think was a PL-53 maybe. It was fairly basic, maybe even bottom of the line at some point, with S tone arm, 33 & 45, and no pitch. However it was built really solidly, and sounded really nice. The funny thing was that the thing did have pitch controls inside - meant for tech adjustments - so you could zero it in really nice. I just upgraded the headshell at some point, and it was a great machine. I ended up getting some others later that summer and sold it, but not because it was bad. So I think maybe the hard thing is to find a bad Pioneer from that era.

Arkay
09-08-2009, 10:18 AM
I had a Pioneer from the late 70s that was all silvery - I think was a PL-53 maybe. It was fairly basic, maybe even bottom of the line at some point, with S tone arm, 33 & 45, and no pitch. However it was built really solidly, and sounded really nice. The funny thing was that the thing did have pitch controls inside - meant for tech adjustments - so you could zero it in really nice. I just upgraded the headshell at some point, and it was a great machine. I ended up getting some others later that summer and sold it, but not because it was bad. So I think maybe the hard thing is to find a bad Pioneer from that era.


A LOT of turntables actually have potentiometer speed controls inside. They are not meant to be user-adjustable; factory pre-set and re-set as needed by repair technicians. But of course, that also includes any handy DIY-minded AKers! :D Sometimes all that is needed to restore speed stability to a vintage TT that isn't keeping good speed, is a good DeOxit cleaning of those pots and any other control contact surfaces "under the hood." But I'd be careful about messing with any TT that is keeping constant speed: it is easy to throw those adjustments out of whack, and not always so easy to get them dialed back in.

sanlanman
11-12-2009, 09:29 PM
Here is a pic of my PLC-590 with PA-1000 carbon fiber arm. It is one great turntable. Darn near bullet proof and reliable. Unfortunately you won't see very many come up for sale.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/sanlanman/Misc%20Stuff/PB060479.jpg

Mark W.
11-12-2009, 09:41 PM
For something a little less spendy but still a very nice Pioneer table the PL-55X might turn your crank.

here's another AKers PL-55X

http://media.photobucket.com/image/pioneer%20PL-55X/avguytx/Pioneer%20PL55X/001.jpg

I would have shown you photo's of mine but it's being cleaned up after a co worked left it in his shop for 10 years. I got 3 nights into the dust cover already. But man for a Direct drive auto type table it's a dandy.

If you do a google search for PL-55X you will find a couple thread on Ak about them. Well thought of.

Susurus
11-13-2009, 05:18 AM
Nice pics all.

I'm going to get a second PL-L1000 (a.k.a Phase Linear 8000 which is the silver version). All metal top, 12 kg heavy, suspended plinth so resists footfalls. Tracks roofing tiles. Easy setup, even for a tangential.

Yes I like Pioneer, this matches the 1250 and HPM-1500's... but today I had the TTs hooked to the C-4, Kenwood, and Fultons.

TAGO MAGO
11-13-2009, 08:38 AM
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7388/pioneerpl500.jpg

I have a Pioneer PL-500 (late 70's version) which is an excellent table with quartz lock. I bought mine from a thrift for $5.00 and it was absolutely fine (although it had some cosmetic issues like a scratched up dust cover--the one in the pic is not mine).

jleon92f
11-13-2009, 09:18 AM
This one is Black but, it is beautiful!

Just finished this one, not as nice but it sounds great. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=252108

Thanks,
John.:music::D

melofelo
11-13-2009, 09:44 AM
those PLC-590's sure do look awesome :thmbsp: would love to own one

rushfan
11-13-2009, 01:26 PM
Another vote for the PL-600!

petervv
11-13-2009, 03:43 PM
still like my PL-570X (is black version of PL-570) a lot!

regards, Peter

clydeselsor
11-13-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm pretty happy with my PL-518

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/clydeselsor/_DSC1145.jpg

MWalt
11-13-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm pretty happy with my PL-518

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/clydeselsor/_DSC1145.jpg

How could you not be especially with a pair of Dynaco A-25's puttin' out the sounds...:music:

Wilburchubs
11-13-2009, 03:55 PM
still like my PL-570X (is black version of PL-570) a lot!

regards, Peter

Hey!!You have the same system as me,but my TT is the standard "woody" and my headphones are monitor 10's:music:

petervv
11-13-2009, 03:59 PM
hi Wilburchubs,

>Hey!!You have the same system as me,but my TT is the standard "woody" and my >headphones are monitor 10's

Ik also got a Monitor 10 recently, have to make new pictures :-)

Wilburchubs
11-13-2009, 04:03 PM
Ill have to put mine back together(when i get off these damn crutches!!)
Just recently moved the whole lot upstairs into the spare room,running hpm 100's with it,although i also have a pair of hpm 60's somewhere...

kermit z
11-14-2009, 11:44 AM
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7388/pioneerpl500.jpg

I have a Pioneer PL-500 (late 70's version) which is an excellent table with quartz lock. I bought mine from a thrift for $5.00 and it was absolutely fine (although it had some cosmetic issues like a scratched up dust cover--the one in the pic is not mine).

I have one of these. Its a nice heavy table:thmbsp: