Hello Everyone,

I have this cartridge and it is pretty much new. Has anyone any experience with it and maybe some specs to share. I am considering it for my Pioneer SL-7 which has a low mass Graphite Arm. It sounds pretty nice came with my Thorens 145 but I used a 440mla instead.

Any comments are welcome.
Thanks Fellas...
Ron

Shure M75 has been a favourite of my for a long time.
You can get a HE stylus and it will be an excellent performer.
http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=SHSM0075HET2

Mine is the Shure PREMIER, but that's the same as an M75. I have a N75ED/T2 stylus on it now. But you can get an Hyper Ellipitcal (HE) and you can get a JICO SAS line contact. The M75 is my favorite Shure. The V-15 is a bit more detailed, but the M75 is so mellow and relaxing, it get's to hog most of the arm time :)

+1 :thmbsp:

Ron, mine is also the Premier Black (M101EG) version, virtually identical to the M75. The ED-T2 stylus is a nude mounted .0002"x.0007" elliptical. Tracking force from ¾ to 1½ grams and freq. response listed as 20 to 20KHz. If, for any reason, you don't care for it, my address is.....

This one is like new I think I am going to use it on my PL-7 when it gets here.

I examined the stylus and it was in great shape. It came with my Thorens and I checked it out but ever really aligned it. Very strong signal and great response. I have not seen much online except the VTF was I guess .75 to 1.5that tells me they must have recommended 1.25g. I don't know.

I'll give it a try and let you all know. Probably use a stevenson protractor on that table. I have no clue what else to do right now. :scratch2:

I used the type II version for several years on a Pioneer turntable, its not going to resolve great detail but has a pleasing well balanced almost addictive sound on the neutral side you can listen to for hours on end.

Recently I mounted my Radio Shack version on the SL1210 and played Steve Miller The Joker, there it was all over again that same great sound I remember from the 70's all over again. Definitely a keeper and worth a listen.

Shures have not let me down. Got several 75s setiing around here. Will get a new stylus for it this fall. Let us know if you like the sound. Haven't heard one in awhile. Currently in play are a V15 type III, M91ED, and a M97. All on tables hooked up and being used. How is your Thorens?

Eric:music:

Found this thread:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160578

M75 doesn't get a very good review on that thread.

The m75 is equal to the m91, can get that sound by putting on a m91ed needle it will fit with a bit of trimming.

the m95 fits without trimming

Hello Everyone,

I have this cartridge and it is pretty much new. Has anyone any experience with it and maybe some specs to share. I am considering it for my Pioneer SL-7 which has a low mass Graphite Arm. It sounds pretty nice came with my Thorens 145 but I used a 440mla instead.

Any comments are welcome.
Thanks Fellas...
Ron

M75ED Type II: Not good...GREAT. Of course it's only as good as the stylus that you put into it, so if you get the $25 replacement stylus with a thick cantilever and a .4x.7 mil tip it's going to sound like a budget cartridge. But with the original super elliptical tip or a JICO replacement it's a great sounding cart. I just ruined my like new M75ED-Type II stylus while putting the dust cover back on my AR XA table. I bumped the arm and it skated across the platter, now the stylus is no more :tears:. I guess I should have flipped down the stylus guard!

A few of my friends have found the M75ED's that they bought in the 70's and have fitted them instead of their exotic much more expensive models. The 75ED stays in the headshells.

I used the type II version for several years on a Pioneer turntable, its not going to resolve great detail but has a pleasing well balanced almost addictive sound on the neutral side you can listen to for hours on end.

Recently I mounted my Radio Shack version on the SL1210 and played Steve Miller The Joker, there it was all over again that same great sound I remember from the 70's all over again. Definitely a keeper and worth a listen.

I like it's sound I did listen to it for awhile before getting my 440mla. It
s great sounding but I just can't find much on it anywhere...

Shures have not let me down. Got several 75s setiing around here. Will get a new stylus for it this fall. Let us know if you like the sound. Haven't heard one in awhile. Currently in play are a V15 type III, M91ED, and a M97. All on tables hooked up and being used. How is your Thorens?

Eric:music:

I am loving the Thorens. I have never heard anything like it actually and the pairing with the 440 worked well after all the tweaking was done. She's my baby right now. I have always really liked Shure cartridges having owned a V15III for all these years. Yes on that! :yes:

The m75 is equal to the m91, can get that sound by putting on a m91ed needle it will fit with a bit of trimming.

Never...I would never trim a stylus mount on any cartridge but thats just me.

M75ED Type II: Not good...GREAT. Of course it's only as good as the stylus that you put into it, so if you get the $25 replacement stylus with a thick cantilever and a .4x.7 mil tip it's going to sound like a budget cartridge. But with the original super elliptical tip or a JICO replacement it's a great sounding cart. I just ruined my like new M75ED-Type II stylus while putting the dust cover back on my AR XA table. I bumped the arm and it skated across the platter, now the stylus is no more :tears:. I guess I should have flipped down the stylus guard!

I have gotten into that habit. Flip the guard down whenever you are working over the table. Accidents happen and will. I am sorry that happened to you.

The stylus on this one is new. The diamond is spotless and very sharp with a beautiful dull translucent ice blue color. The nomenclature is in gold and says Shure M75 ED 2 or something like that. I can't wait to hear it on the Pioneer. I knew I read somewhere here it was a great cartridge but have not been able to run that info down since.

Thank You all...

Found this thread:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160578

M75 doesn't get a very good review on that thread.

The guy complaining about the sound of the M75 in that thread never did establish which stylus he had on it or whether it was new. :nono:

For all he knew, it could have been completely worn out or a super cheapy. Because with a good Shure stylus, the M75 is definitely NOT lackluster.

The only thing that thread pretty much made clear is that if you go for the ultra cheap, poorly made styli, you will get correspondingly poor sound. :yes:

Doug

Thank you Doug. I don't know alot about this cartridge but I am very excited about it. Once I have it on the pl-7 I will post a full review for everyone.

I've got one on my N-33-H and it sound fantastic. I've also got M91ED and M91. The old Shures just seem to have THAT sound. I love 'em,but like the others said "Don't skimp on the Stylus"
Steve

This one is like new I think I am going to use it on my PL-7 when it gets here.

I examined the stylus and it was in great shape. It came with my Thorens and I checked it out but ever really aligned it. Very strong signal and great response. I have not seen much online except the VTF was I guess .75 to 1.5that tells me they must have recommended 1.25g. I don't know.

I'll give it a try and let you all know. Probably use a stevenson protractor on that table. I have no clue what else to do right now. :scratch2:



Just make sure you have the thin cantilever nude diamond stylus; i.e. the original version from the years 1970-80's - it is many levels better than the newer downgraded "DJ" stylus Shure fitted later. See f.ex. my link here:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247183

Shure M91 and M75 (and V15-II) with original nude diamond styli (or retipped to sharper styli by Expert, UK) are my favorites, and I have tried most cartridges, incl. the expensive moving coils.

:)

I'd stay away for the Jico styluses if possible.

I'd stay away for the Jico styluses if possible.

Please explain in a bit more depth

What type did you use? What Stylus?

According to palandin on VE and on other sites I have been to, the jico HE is nothing but a conical bonded to a flattened piece of piano wire.

I'd stay away for the Jico styluses if possible.



That may be right for the very cheap styli; however JICO SAS styli is quite another and much higher specified super product. Of course they cost more.

When we speak of good JICO styli for Shure M75 and M91 we are talking about the SAS styli, not the regular ones.

:)

According to palandin on VE and on other sites I have been to, the jico HE is nothing but a conical bonded to a flattened piece of piano wire.


So word of mouth feedback then & not personal experience.

The HE is a conical? that is trades description violation if true.

Got a link to the VE thread?

I'm not overly impressed with my M95ED Jico but it was a cheap one. I'd love to have powerful magnification to check it (provided I knew what I was looking for).

Couldn't find the thread on VE but found this that some one(99.99% sure its paladin) posted on another site, its down the page a bit.

http://www.customlightfactory.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=585&start=54

An excellent link thanks

According to palandin on VE and on other sites I have been to, the jico HE is nothing but a conical bonded to a flattened piece of piano wire.

This sounds dreadful. Where is the definitive source for high quality Shure replacement stylus? I am talking about the V15 type III, M91 and the M75?
Who what and where?

Looks like the cheap Jico stylus I bought for the 95 is no longer available

I think I paid around 17-19$ a couple of years ago.

Cheapest now is 58 $ for both the ED & HE with the SAS at 97$

There are cheaper 75 stylii around 29$ for the ED

http://www.export-japan.com/marketing/stylus/index.php?cPath=18&sort=2a&page=5

Uh, its basically NOS, and FINETONE (I believe is the brand.) brand needle (Kinda like phastil but overstock).

If Jico does that for an HE I highly doubt they use a nude diamonded for the M75ED.
MCM apparently carries a M75ej thats NOS, I plan to pick one up soon and I can tell you guys how it sounds.

I have an lpgear HE stylus in my M75, which I believe is made by JICO, and it sounds great to me. Nice detail and easy to listen to.
I have never heard an original Shure stylus though.

Uh, its basically NOS, and FINETONE (I believe is the brand.) brand needle (Kinda like phastil but overstock).

If Jico does that for an HE I highly doubt they use a nude diamonded for the M75ED.
MCM apparently carries a M75ej thats NOS, I plan to pick one up soon and I can tell you guys how it sounds.




I think there might be some misunderstandings here.

JICO manufactures a cheap N75ED which is of low quality at $29.00 , and if one wants to pay for it, also a superb nude diamond SAS stylus with a modern "fine line" low mass stylus, similar to the styli fitted to modern expensive moving coil cartridges. It is all explained in detail in the link I presented above.

So your choice. You just have to pay more than a few dollars for it, as the SAS N75ED goes for $97.00 .

The various JICO HE styli are very different to the SAS styli, and they are cheaper. They may be on the way out of production since there is no longer a N75HE available from JICO.

My personal experience is with the cheap regular JICO AND the expensive SAS styli; anything less than the SAS quality is of no interest to me.

:)

The various JICO HE styli are very different to the SAS styli, and they are cheaper. They may be on the way out of production since there is no longer a N75HE available from JICO.
Their HE is not on the way out of production. They never did an N75HE, at least not for sale at their site. In fact, they never made HE styli for any older body Shure. They did the N95HE and N97HE and the p-mount N110HE. And the V15s.

Their HE is not on the way out of production. They never did an N75HE, at least not for sale at their site. In fact, they never made HE styli for any older body Shure. They did the N95HE and N97HE and the p-mount N110HE. And the V15s.



OK thanks for the correction. I never did any research on the HE's.

LPGear says they have their N75HE made in Japan - I and others thought that one was JICO. Will check a little further, though.

:)

OK thanks for the correction. I never did any research on the HE's.

LPGear says they have their N75HE made in Japan - I and others thought that one was JICO. Will check a little further, though.

:)
That very well might be made by JICO for lpgear, but JICO never sold it themselves on their own site.

Ron when you have the 75 up & running compare cymbals with the 440

I've just mounted my old 75 with original stylus on a TD160 & think the 75 has a better ting. Let me know what you think.

It seems there has been a modicum of mud slung at JICO in this thread based solely on some posts by this guy paladin.

Is he some recognized hi-fi guru that is completely honest and all that?

If so, I may acquiesce but until we know, phht.

I seriously doubt that a reputable company would call a regular conical bonded stylus an HE. Come on.

Doug

I have read some of his other material where he praises curved tonearms because they are longer in actual pipe length and longer arms have less distortion. He has also criticized linear trackers because of the short arm with the explanation that short arms have the highest distortion. So with that kind of reasoning, I think we might be able to take the JICO comments with a grain of salt.

Yeah, maybe I was too quick to judge JICO. Palandin seems like a nice fellow and generally truthful. He could have gotten a fluke for all we know. But it still raises an interesting point none the less.

That very well might be made by JICO for lpgear, but JICO never sold it themselves on their own site.


I have had some pleasant communication with JICO in Japan yesterday, and they state:
1) They never had any HE needle for Shure M75, and
2) Their regular HE needles, f.ex. N95HE and N97HE are genuine hyper-elliptical diamonds, not anything simpler.

I asked because they sometimes seem to use designations more targeted towards the needle they want to replace instead of their actual product, in order to make choices simpler.

Also it is clear that the HE line is surely there to be continued in the future. A great company in my opinion - from my experiences with the SAS styli.

:)

This sounds dreadful. Where is the definitive source for high quality Shure replacement stylus? I am talking about the V15 type III, M91 and the M75?
Who what and where?

Hey I'll buy guys....

Anyways, did anyone see this post?

Originally Posted by rito25
According to palandin on VE and on other sites I have been to, the jico HE is nothing but a conical bonded to a flattened piece of piano wire.

This sounds dreadful. Where is the definitive source for high quality Shure replacement stylus? I am talking about the V15 type III, M91 and the M75?
Who what and where?




You can choose among the following:

- the JICO SAS stylus (that one is much higher specified than the HE)
- the original Shure nude diamond (made in USA around the 70's/80's), not easy to find, but they are still available.
- a used or new stylus of Shure origin as above and retipped (Expert, UK) to a modern sharper fine line low mass diamond.

All three variants do cost some money - it will be more than the 30 dollars people often pay for aftermarket needles.

:)

If I were buying a new replacement stylus for my M75 or V15 I could order direct from Jico or LP Gear correct? I have three new spare V15 stylus years ago they cost 34 dollars. So I have not had to replace one yet. I do have a new 75 as we know and an old 91 that does need a stylus. I never heard of SAS stylus until just recently looking into replacements.

Seems pretty strange that JICO would make their HE stylus a "conical bonded to a flattened piece of piano wire" but then go and make a quality SAS stylus :scratch2:
For what it's worth, Ron, I did a fair bit of reading on here to find a stylus for my M75 and ended up going with the lpgear HE (which I thought I had read was made by JICO for lpgear) and it sounds great. I have also never read a bad word against any JICO stylii on ak until this thread and their SAS stylii are recommended often.

Boonie,

That is what confused me here. I never heard anything bad either until I asked about the 75 ED II.

Thanks for clearing that up I appreciate it.

I've actually bought 2 of the lpgear HE stylii cause I accidently trashed the first one knocking my tone arm.:no: Both of em sounded of equal quality to me. I don't have a great experience of stylli but I'm really satisifed with this cart and stylus combo.
Can't wait to get a bit more money together together and try the V15 range.

I have a Shure M75ECS cart and, based what I'm reading here, think I'd like to give a try to an upgrade to an HE stylus. According to this link, this HE stylus will fit any M75 body.

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=SHN075HET2LP

I also have a V15 Type II.

First question: Are the M75 and the V15 type II essentially the same cart?

Second question: What is the consensus on the LP Gear HE stylus with respect to "any M75 body?"

Thanks.

Can't wait to get a bit more money together together and try the V15 range.

I have used the V-15 III for thirty years now and can tell you yes it is beautiful sounding. I will also say that my AT-440mla and my DL-160 sound beautiful too. The V15 has been put up for awhile now for repair to the table it's on and I don't miss it too much listening to the others. They are all nice. :yes:

If you do get a V15, see if you can get the Micro Ridge stylus on it. That was a beautiful upgrade over the Super Track Plus. It has very musical and breathtaking sound you will stand up and listen to.

First question: Are the M75 and the V15 type II essentially the same cart?





I think they are. Since measurement of inductance and resistance gives the same values, and a N75 ED stylus gives a very similar sound quality in both. Thus the differences in performance and sound is probably a result of different stylus design, where of course the V15-II shines. A lower tip mass extends the frequency response to above 25 kHz where the less expensive clones begin to drop down around 20 kHz or below.

So the cartridge inner body should be the same; even though there could have been a selection of the best or tightest body specs for the type II big brother.

See also comments here from Paladin:
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16866&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

He states:
"Under the shell they look and test the same (~630-ohms.) When tested, the older M-series sounded like the V15 Type II".

:)

I have a Shure M75ECS cart and, based what I'm reading here, think I'd like to give a try to an upgrade to an HE stylus. According to this link, this HE stylus will fit any M75 body.

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=SHN075HET2LP

I also have a V15 Type II.

First question: Are the M75 and the V15 type II essentially the same cart?

Second question: What is the consensus on the LP Gear HE stylus with respect to "any M75 body?"

Thanks.

See this thread - takes some reading but should be worthwhile
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10177&highlight=budget

First question: Are the M75 and the V15 type II essentially the same cart?
No.

Second question: What is the consensus on the LP Gear HE stylus with respect to "any M75 body?"

Thanks.
I have only heard good reports.

See this thread - takes some reading but should be worthwhile
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10177&highlight=budget

I did read through it but it compared Stanton 500 E Mk II and Audio Technica AT-5625AL. Did have some really excellent micro-photography of the stylus tips, though. Sorry, I must be dense here but I'm missing something.

No.


I have only heard good reports.


Thanks Howard.

I did read through it but it compared Stanton 500 E Mk II and Audio Technica AT-5625AL. Did have some really excellent micro-photography of the stylus tips, though. Sorry, I must be dense here but I'm missing something.

Well some Guy swapped stylus between 75's & V series with interesting results. (fairly recent posts)

I've been looking myself but can't find it, but then there's 37+ pages to browse

perhaps it was on another thread in which case I'll post a link to it if I discover it.

Edit Page 28 - The poster was Paladin but I know I saw more examples than this

You mean this thread?
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16866

You mean this thread?
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16866

Yes that's the one. Well done

I have a Shure M75ECS cart and, based what I'm reading here, think I'd like to give a try to an upgrade to an HE stylus. According to this link, this HE stylus will fit any M75 body.

http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=SHN075HET2LP

I also have a V15 Type II.

First question: Are the M75 and the V15 type II essentially the same cart?

Second question: What is the consensus on the LP Gear HE stylus with respect to "any M75 body?"

Thanks.

I use the LP gear HE stylus on an M75ECS cart. It sounds great and for 60 bucks is worth a try. :music:

Pulled the JICO replacement off the V15 Type II and inserted it in the M75 but couldn't get it to track no matter how heavy I made the VTF. Swapped it back and set the V15 at 2g VTF and Jackson Browne sounds simply awesome. What am I doing wrong here guys?

Pulled the JICO replacement off the V15 Type II and inserted it in the M75 but couldn't get it to track no matter how heavy I made the VTF. Swapped it back and set the V15 at 2g VTF and Jackson Browne sounds simply awesome. What am I doing wrong here guys?

I don't know how it affects tracking, but the internals of the carts are different. Fitting and working are two different things.

Pulled the JICO replacement off the V15 Type II and inserted it in the M75 but couldn't get it to track no matter how heavy I made the VTF. Swapped it back and set the V15 at 2g VTF and Jackson Browne sounds simply awesome. What am I doing wrong here guys?

Fair point. So not recommended then?

Swapping not recommended. Each needs own design to work correctly. M75 with HE is very nice :)

Pulled the JICO replacement off the V15 Type II and inserted it in the M75 but couldn't get it to track no matter how heavy I made the VTF. Swapped it back and set the V15 at 2g VTF and Jackson Browne sounds simply awesome. What am I doing wrong here guys?


A VN15E stylus (V15-II) will not fit a M75 body. But a N75 stylus can be fitted to a V15-II body. And will yield very similar results in V15-II and M75 cartridges.

See also comments here from Paladin:
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16866&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

He states:
"Under the shell they look and test the same (~630-ohms.) When tested, the older M-series sounded like the V15 Type II".

:)

Hey, it was worth a shot and I've just placed the V15 II back on the PL9. I'm going to be ordering the SAS for it here in a bit. Although I must admit my stylus replacement budget is shot to hell.

I spent a few hours last night listening to the M75 on a Pioneer PL-7 I just setup on my Sansui system. I played a Bluenote reissue of Hank Mobley's "Coming Home" an album I particularly like with some fine jazz guitar work.

Cymbals -the ting and bell-like sound was golden as was the definition between mid and high requencies. The warmth was very appealing to me. This is not a particularly heavy on the bass album but it was there and sounded tamed and sweet, standup style.

Again, having looked closely at this cartridge it is brand new with a very fine cantilever and stylus so I am sure it has not broken in. It has that "new" sound to it we all know so well.

I did a side by side with the Thorens/440 combo right after and the treble was more tense and shrill but still I was able to enjoy. Those who own a new 440 know what I am talking about.

The M75 EDII is a classic in my opinion. I rate it up there with my V15 type III in listening pleasure. :smoke:

I have used the HE version for many years.
Took it for granted, great sound!!!:music:

Prior to the 440 it was a Shure 95 ED & before that the 75 ED
I think my preferences vary with records. It's only the lack of headshells which prevent more swapping over.

The cantilever on my 75 is more like a tree trunk compared to 440. I guess I have to keep my eyes peeled or invest in a Jico HE / SAS