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JUSS10
12-15-2009, 04:11 PM
so I'm always keeping an eye out for turntables and came across a BSR quanta 400. here is the exact model on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/BSR-QUANTA-400-SEMI-AUTO-TURNTABLE-w-AUDIO-TECHNICA_W0QQitemZ180445083850QQcmdZViewItemQQptZL H_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a035d78ca

the one i found comes with a brand new stylus, though nothing fancy, its an AT91E complete with the guard and adapter to use the cart on a 1/2" mount

now here is the stinger, the tonearm is bent... anyone ever tried to fix that? seems like it would be really tough. anyway, they wanted $15 for it, is it worth it just for the headshell and cart? i figure i could use the table as a base for a RCM

enricosonic
12-15-2009, 04:26 PM
The one on ebay has been sitting there for several months and in general these tables have a poor reputation. Add to that a bent tonearm? I'd say stay away, personally.

But for $15, used as a RCM with a cart thrown in? That doesn't sound too bad as long as it doesn't require shipping to reach you.

hifi_nut
12-15-2009, 04:29 PM
I must admitt this is the best looking BSR TT I can remember.

from my experience with BSR, though, this brand is best left alone if you really care about your records.

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 04:30 PM
i already went and looked at it intending to purchase, then saw the tone arm.

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 04:30 PM
yeah i really liked how it looked too...though as you both have stated, i haven't heard much good about BSR

Rybeam
12-15-2009, 06:43 PM
The Audio Technica's worth it. Offer $10 and toss the BSR in a fast food dumpster on the way home.

Divotdog
12-15-2009, 06:48 PM
I must admitt this is the best looking BSR TT I can remember.

from my experience with BSR, though, this brand is best left alone if you really care about your records.

It doesn't appear to be a run of the mill BSR. :scratch2:

shimniok
12-15-2009, 07:25 PM
Uhh... what am I missing about the arm? I don't see where it is bent. Well, except for the fact that it's a standard S-arm... :headscrat

Maybe I am being contrary but (aside from actual defects) that gimbal looks at least as decent as a BIC 960/980. I have a feeling it isn't one of their worst... Even the crap brands put out a few good pieces despite reputation to the contrary.

I'd get it and see how it sounds and report back. And I'd expect the AT cart is decent.

:dunno:

Michael

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 07:28 PM
thats not the actual one, i just posted that for people to see what model it is. i kind of thought the gimbal was nice too. I'll probably jump on it. i have a few tables that could use a decent stylus and the cart is brand new, never used.

Brian
12-15-2009, 07:34 PM
It looks like a run of the mill Asian arm. If so you may be able to transplant the tube from a donor unit. It is an interesting looking table but it looks like it is from a period when there were a lot of elcheapo tables around and looks similar. It is a late in life BSR not long before they shut it all down. Might be an interesting experiment to see how far you can mod it for improvements.

Nat
12-15-2009, 07:51 PM
My memory is that the Quantas were very shiny and very plastic. Kind of hard to actually concentrate on how it sounded because it was so painful to look at. And underneath the eyesore exterior, it was the same BSR mechanism, which wasn't terrible, but not great, either.

mhardy6647
12-15-2009, 08:06 PM
Nat is (as always) exactly correct.

Besides...

It's hard for me to get excited about a product whose name is a plural noun. A single turntable should be a Quantum, not a Quanta.

I had the same feelings about the Mazda Millennia sedan :-P

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 08:08 PM
one thing i will say is it had some weight to it. which i was surprised about.

Nat
12-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Whoa -- don't get me started on the Mitsubishi Eclipse, especially the ads for it, as in "Harness the awesome power of the eclipse". Duhhh... an eclipse is the absence of something, usually light -- so "Harness the awesome power of nothing".
Almost as stupid as the original logo for some version of Microsoft works which was three gears intermeshed. Anyone who as ever actually used gears knows that three gears lock. So it was Microsoft Doesn't work. (Not to feed the Apple folks a setup line...)

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 08:30 PM
I use apple :)

mhardy6647
12-15-2009, 08:36 PM
I use Ubuntu (at least at home).

JUSS10
12-15-2009, 08:41 PM
i run ubuntu on my "PC"s

Beobloke
12-16-2009, 06:46 AM
It's a BSR, which is all you need to know - leave it well alone!

*sits back and waits for wilkes85 to arrive and give an opposing point of view.....* :D

mhardy6647
12-16-2009, 07:48 AM
You can get a look at one of the Quanta tts in its Radio Shack plumage on pg. 25 of http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1979/

Nat
12-16-2009, 08:08 AM
You know, this is weird, but the table on the next page has a distinctly Micro Seiki vibe about it -- both the large platter extending beyond the mat and the thin pivot piece of the arm -- wouldn't that be an odd sourcing?

macman007
12-17-2009, 04:29 PM
BSR= B.itch S.ucks R.oyally

My attempt at humor :D

Peace,

Phil

KentTeffeteller
12-17-2009, 05:50 PM
Basically Shards Records. The Quanta is basically their old plasticky changer restyled to look like something but still is a sucky old BSR.

JUSS10
12-18-2009, 11:12 PM
despite all your negative comments i picked it up anyway, at the time i figured new stylus so hey. well got it home, never thought of looking at the cart because it had its nice plastic cover on it and they said it was never used. well, pulled it off, and who ever put it on last bent the stylus down. CRAP got screwed. well emailed the guy back and he was pretty cool about it, said he would give me $10 back, so $5 for the table i figure isnt to bad.

so i looked at the stylus, figured it was shot so i played with it, bent it back to what appeared to be its original position, dabbed some super glue on the crack with the tip of a needle, and let it setup. went to my current table, zeroed it out with this needle, set it to 2 grams, grabbed my worst copy of styx II (i have a few) and gave it a whirl. to my surprise it worked perfectly, sounded like a new stylus from what i could tell. so maybe it wasn't a total loss?

next for the TT. the tone arm was trashed (see attached pics) so i carefully disassembled the tone arm and removed it. bent at the gimble and in the S curve. everything else looked fine. ran to the back room to find my dads bow case and grabbed an arrow. sure enough, just the right size. so i think i may play around with building a new tonearm. guess we'll see.

the gimble is all ball bearing with tapered set screws, it really has smooth action. its a spring isolated TT and that rests in the cheapo plastic base. the motor is silent and the platter actually has some decent mass to it.

like i said, I'm thinking of making a new tonearm and putting all the old hardware back on it. also i might make an MDF plinth for it. the TT is really built perfect for that.

what is it about these TT that were so bad? the last comment was about them turning records into "shards". how so?

anyway, here are some pictures.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0117.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0120.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0119.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0123-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0124-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0125-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/jboetmsa/DSC_0121.jpg

Nat
12-19-2009, 08:42 AM
Well, I have to take back some of what I said -- that's a much more subdued table than the Quantas I remember. And it doesn't look like a changer at all, so it isn't the same old BSR with a new coat of paint. Looks like a belt drive with a good size main bearing. The arm still looks like it might have the rather sloppy bearings of the old BSRs, but its got a real counterweight (or I hope it does since its not in the pictures) and a standard headshell, so it might be a significant upgrade from the tables we were all poh poohing.

JUSS10
12-19-2009, 09:13 AM
yeah it has a very nice counter weight and i believe it has some kind of metal headshell. like i said, hooked the headshell right up to my current table. the motor is, lets say, double isolated. it has 3 rubber isolators attached to a plate, then three more that attach that middle plate to the motor. springs on all 4 corners, and a screw in the front and the back that allow you to tighten it down to the "plinth" or let it me spring isolated. pretty neat setup. the one thing about the gimbal that is a little bummer is that the part the tone arm slides through is plastic. but the rest of the gimbal is all aluminum. so yeah, like i said, it will be a bit of a project table as the tonearm was destroyed.

Nat
12-19-2009, 10:23 AM
What part of the arm was destroyed? It looks pretty normal, though the pictures are kind of dark, so there may be problems that are not visible. The S bend in the arm is how its supposed to be.

JUSS10
12-19-2009, 11:02 AM
the last bend in the arm was kinked to about 90 degrees as well as bent down. and when i took it apart it was also kinked at the gimbal. so yeah, pretty shot. no biggy. i think i may get an arrow shaft and bend it while packing it with sand.

mhardy6647
12-20-2009, 12:29 PM
All right... youse guys want Quanta (I cannot bring myself to type "Quantas")?
Youse gots Quanta! :-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/mhardy6647/Documents/Quanta400.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/mhardy6647/Documents/Quanta450S.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/mhardy6647/Documents/Quanta500.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/mhardy6647/Documents/Quanta550S.jpg

jdcglasnost
12-20-2009, 12:49 PM
All right... youse guys want Quanta (I cannot bring myself to type "Quantas")?
Youse gots Quanta! :-)

Those don't look too bad, but then again those pictures remind of my local strip joint. They all look better with the lights down, and I think one of the girls is named "Quantra". :D


...by the way good luck with the arm!

Nat
12-20-2009, 04:14 PM
I believe the plural is 'quantity', and it seems to me we've already covered its opposition to quality. (Can this possibly not have be suggested at the time? Its too obvious a bad joke to be new.)

steerpike2
12-21-2009, 03:54 PM
When I was around 12 I got a BSR with the same platter design as that 400 (the 'conical' shape). What bugged me phenomenally since the day I got it (new, from a dealer) was that the platter was dome shaped, and from the side you could see the LP rested only in the centre 4 inches of it.

Eventually I separated the two parts of the platter, put the aluminium top part on the ground, and stomped on it until I got it flat.

But a couple of years later I chucked it out & got an SL10.