Those creepy "numbers stations"

[Charlie]

Last night, I was toying around on the SW bands to see what was on. After running across the dial a few times, I came across one of those creepy numbers stations. I can usually find at least one on any given night. Listened for roughly 10 minutes, then finally turned it off cause it started giving me the eebie-jeebies!

I had a really good magazine article from years ago talking about these broadcast mysteries. Funny to think that after several decades of people studying them, they still haven't quite figured them out. Many people have theories, but, that's usually as far as it gets... just a theory.

For those of you that aren't familiar with what I'm speaking of, these stations are usually found somewhere on the SW band, and the braodcast is nothing more than a seemingly random series of numbers. They are usually called out in sets of five or the 3/2 pattern. May be in English, Spanish, or a couple of other languages.

I found a few good sites concerning these with a little info on the theories behind them if you'd like to read more...

http://www.dxing.com/numbers.htm

http://www.spynumbers.com/

http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/SW-numbers.html

http://www.npr.org/programs/lnfsound/stories/000526.stories.html

I have two radios that tune them in really good. One is a small analog tuning 9-band sw radio from Rat Shack. The other is my 1941 Silvertone. Although I do not own one, I would think the Zenith TO sets are great at finding these broadcast.

I was wondering how many of you guys here have stumbled across them while tuning the dial? What kind of radio were you using? For the older generation SW listeners, can you remember how many years back it was when you first found one of these broadcasts? Also, was wondering if anyone here had any theories of your own as to what these are all about?

[mhardy6647]

Generally called "spy and numbers" stations, if you care to Google the subject :-)

[Sandy G]

Oh, yeah, I've heard 'em...Anyone who has a SW set & done more than turned it on has heard 'em. Prolly spies of some sort or another-but it was funny, after the Wall fell in '89, they actually increased. So who knows? Our Gummint will of course, neither confirm nor deny their existence.... They are kinda creepy, but some of the other chit you hear on the SW bands is out-there, too. I've heard 'em on my R-390As, & on my JRC-NRD-545. Makes you wonder what the Gummint is hiding from us...Like what's the NEXT model of the SR-71 ?!? Surely, they've got somethin' that makes it look like a T-model, like it did to everything else back in 19-fackin'-62, when it came out...-Sandy G.

[foetusized]

These were in the news last year, in regards to the band Wilco using a sample from one of them and getting sued for it: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,63952,00.html -- Foe

[mhardy6647]

Who sued 'em? ??!?!

[Ed in SoDak]

That shoulda been thrown so far out of court their farts couldn't be smelled.
-Ed

[Donny]

I figure these stations are for an end of the world thing (nukes whatever) and that the numbers are just ran through to show that the stations are operational. If the gummint told people this,everyone would freak out. As far as using it for spy stuff,wouldn't if have died out sometime in the 80's when computers started to get some power?

[shrinkboy]

did anyone see the episode of 'Lost' this week that concerned the fat boy's backstory, in which he became the possessor of a number sequence given him by his mentally ill friend, which he then used to win $110 million?....only to then discover that while he himself seems to be permanently protected from 'bad luck', he seems to be the bearer of it wherever he goes. it is also intimated that his presence on the plane may well be why it crashed.

the island they are on, in an incredible turn of TV only coincidence, turns out to be the source of the mysterious broadcast of the number sequence, with the closing shot being a fade out of the buried fuselage of a plane bearing that exact same series of numbers?

[Charlie]

did anyone see the episode of 'Lost' this week that concerned the fat boy's backstory, in which he became the possessor of a number sequence...
Oh man don't even get me started on that Lost... could have an entire new thread just on that one episode! I thought it was bad-ass! The number thing was really cool.

[Sandy G]

Not quite numbers station stuff, but still oughta make you sleep tight tonite-in late 1990, there was a lot of chatter on the gov't bands about "Faded Giants" & "Broken Arrows". Story came out later that that referred to compromised nuclear facilities. Seems like a bunch of Islamic terrorists in one of the "Stan" countries in the then Soviet Union broke into a Military base, killed the Russians & made out to parts unknown w/the nukes. We were lookin' for 'em, the Russians were, too, but I don't think they were ever found...Or maybe they were....Who knows? I'd venture if we really knew what's going on out there, most of us would likely dig a deep bomb shelter....-Sandy G.

[Fisherdude]

"Broken arrow" does indeed refer to a nuclear accident or release of nuclear material.

Regarding the numbers stations, they're legit, and actually transmissions for and between clandestine stations. When I was in one of my previous lives, I was a Russian interpreter/translator and military intelligence analyst. I spent some time at a radio intercept site in Europe, and my last year at NSA headquarters outside Washington. We frequently intercepted these transmissions, which were recorded and/or copied by hand when in morse code, and turned over to the cryptanalysts. The specific type of five-character groups were known as Cheney/Hornblende.

The bad news is that now that you've read this I'm going to have to kill you. :naughty:

[Sandy G]

NSA= No Such Agency, correct ? <grin> I wanted to take Russian when I was in college, but soon got over it. Russian uses a totally different alphabet, completely different syntax, & it wouldn't have counted to my graduation requirements as a foreign language since it was only a half-year course. I think you had to have a "thing" for languages to really get anything out of the course, & I have trouble w/English...my 1st language is Hillbilly.-Sandy G.

[Fisherdude]

I was a senior in college majoring in EE when I went into the service. After three years away from calculus, I really wasn't all that thrilled about trying to get back up to speed, so I took my degree in Russian Language & Literature. Not the most useful thing I've ever done, but it does make interesting cocktail party conversation!

[skippy_ps]

I heard them about 20 years ago. Pop had a sw radio (don't remember freq or what kind of radio) in central TX and I listened for a few minutes once or twice. VERY WEIRD. I just assumed it was drug deals or maybe just some goofy guys.

Always keep Occum's razor (aka rule) in mind when dealing with this kind of stuff.

Murray

[asynchronousman]

I figure these stations are for an end of the world thing (nukes whatever) and that the numbers are just ran through to show that the stations are operational. If the gummint told people this,everyone would freak out. As far as using it for spy stuff,wouldn't if have died out sometime in the 80's when computers started to get some power?
In the end, Donny, computer networks will be USELESS, telephones will be down, and the only way to communicate will be radio waves. Those codes will let them operate with impugnity as long as they cannot be deciphered in real time too, so even if they discover one of the transmittters (and they have at least once) they are completely secure. It's almost preposterous how "simple" the scheme is yet it can't be figured out by many smart people :scratch2:

[Sandy G]

That's another reason to have Tooob stuff-about all solid state devices could be rendered inoperative by EMP blast, while tube stuff should still function unless stressed by a fireball, or until AC power cuts out. EMP could also make 99% of the cars in America inoperative-only the ones that don't have electronic ignitions would be able to run. There's a novel called "War Day" that talks about the aftermath of a nuclear war-it will chill your shit. Seriously. -Sandy G.

[heathkit tv]

And I'll be driving around in one of my Studebakers with a giant gas tank and boxes filled with home loaded bullets. Mad Max ain't got nuthin on me!

Anthony (waiting for those pretty mushroom clouds)

[jimmymagick]

Here's what "The Straight Dope" had to say about the subject:



Dear Cecil:

While scanning the shortwave radio bands recently, I discovered a station broadcasting five-digit numbers in Spanish. Each number was repeated twice before a new one was broadcast. It was a little strange, but I figured I had stumbled onto the Cuban Lotto numbers station.

Then last night I picked up a similar broadcast in English. It lasted about 25 minutes, then ended abruptly. A fellow shortwave enthusiast says these "numbers stations" are a big mystery and may somehow be tied into the CIA or drug smuggling!

The FCC and CIA were no help, so I turn to you. --Michael P., Chicago

Dear Michael:

It's spies, likely.

There are dozens of "numbers stations," some of which have been in business for decades. Yet no government or private agency has ever acknowledged them.

The stations broadcast in a variety of formats (three, four, and five digits, etc.) in languages ranging from English and Spanish to Czech, Korean, and Serbo-Croatian. The voice is often female and its unchanging inflection suggests that it may be machine-generated, like those wrong-number recordings used by the phone company.

At least some of the numbers stations are broadcasting coded messages. The messages have a definite beginning and end, start with an indication of how many number groups the message will contain, repeat each group carefully, and use standard-sized code groups (i.e., four or five digits), a universal feature of modern cryptography.

David Wise's book The Spy Who Got Away (1988), about a CIA defector, offers the following insight into how the codes (or at least some of them) work:

"A former CIA case officer with long experience in Moscow explained that ... 'a transmitter is set up in Germany or even at [CIA] headquarters in Langley [Virginia]. The agent knows that at certain times on certain nights you will transmit to him, normally in five digit code groups. He is given a [one- time pad, or OTP], of which only one other copy exists, which the sender has.'

"The pages of a one-time pad consist of different, random five- digit groups of numbers that are used to encipher messages with the aid of a matrix, or number grid, that can be read much like the coordinates of a road map.

"Each page is destroyed after use. Since only one other copy of the pad exists, the code is unbreakable. The agent uses his copy of the one-time pad to decipher the message.

"The old Moscow hand explained what happens next. 'The OTP is on edible paper. Once he deciphers the message, he tears the pages out, burns them, flushes them down the toilet, or eats them--however he's been instructed. You can use [this] voice link to confirm or change a meeting.'

"He paused and smiled. 'Sometimes we would broadcast code groups just to make the Soviets think we had a lot of assets even if we didn't.'"

Interestingly, the volume of coded message traffic doesn't seem to have dropped appreciably with the end of the Cold War. I suppose that only makes sense. Even if you were running fewer spies than you used to, you'd keep the code numbers booming out at the same rate so as not to clue the bad guys should you have the need to expand your agent roster in the future.

It's reasonable to assume other folks besides the CIA are broadcasting code groups, too. But nobody will say publicly:

(1) exactly who's doing it;

(2) whether private parties are involved (some suspect drug traffickers because so many messages are in Spanish);

(3) where the stations are located (because of atmospheric reflection, direction-finding is difficult);

(4) how many of the messages are real and how many are dummies intended to lull eavesdroppers;

(5) who the intended recipients are (they can't ALL be Cuban agents in the U.S.); and, of course,

(6) what the messages say.

Clearly the time has come for a courageous subset of the Teeming Millions to get jobs with the world's national security agencies, find out the whole story, and then clue us in. (I'd do it, but I'm tied up this week.)

If they catch you, of course, you'll probably get the chair, but hey, can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. For more details on number stations, see Big Secrets by William Poundstone (1983).

[heathkit tv]

Can't you just see the headlines in the National Enquirer....."I won the Lottery by using Number Station picks!"

Anthony

[Sandy G]

Even if you could crack the code, you still probly wouldn't know what they were talking about= I'd assume it would be something like "Alpha Whiskey 113 squawk 155.7 at tango lima .-which might mean blow up the power plant, or order me a bacon cheeseburger. Still, numbers stations are probly the closest most of us will ever get to the twilight world of espionage-knowingly, anyway.-Sandy G.

[heathkit tv]

Get the burger before you blast the power plant.....Krusty won't be able to microwave the burger if there's no lectricity!

Anthony

[GordonW]

What's weird, is that a friend of mine, recently, accidentally mis-dialed an 800 number (still was an 800 number, just the WRONG one), and got a NUMBERS PHONE MESSAGE. What's up with that, y'all?? :scratch2: I told him to try and dial back, and see if the numbers remained the same, or changed over time. Haven't heard if he tried it...

Regards,
Gordon.

[Wheezer]

My first "live" catch was on a Hallicrafters SX-53 that I picked up at an ersatz flea market. If anyone wants to hear where these broadcasts are coming from aesthetically, Irdial records has made free "The Conet Project":

http://makeashorterlink.com/?H37E12769

I find them soothing more than creepy.

[xbikertrash]

Not quite numbers station stuff, but still oughta make you sleep tight tonite-in late 1990, there was a lot of chatter on the gov't bands about "Faded Giants" & "Broken Arrows". Story came out later that that referred to compromised nuclear facilities. Seems like a bunch of Islamic terrorists in one of the "Stan" countries in the then Soviet Union broke into a Military base, killed the Russians & made out to parts unknown w/the nukes. We were lookin' for 'em, the Russians were, too, but I don't think they were ever found...Or maybe they were....Who knows? I'd venture if we really knew what's going on out there, most of us would likely dig a deep bomb shelter....-Sandy G.
Hi Sandy, I grew up in Montana very close to a very large ICBM base and was in public schools in early and middle 60's. I remember the civil defence book in the mail showing how to build fallout shelters. Our nucular attack drill was to let school out and get home as fast as you could to say goodbye to your loved ones, :no:
Darrell

[Sandy G]

I live about 100 miles NNE of Oak Ridge...We always thought we might have time to bend over & kiss our butts goodbye if the "balloon ever went up"...-Sandy G.

[Fast_Eddie]

I had never heard of this. I work at a TV station and no one here had heard of it either. I pitched it to the News guys. We're doing a story about it next month! With all the increased concer over homeland security, it's just a neat thing that's going on in the world that I bet people would like to know about. Even if we don't really know much!

Thanks for the "tip"

Ed

[Charlie]

Yeah, that would make a cool story. Would be a good place to ask "Why doesn't the FCC respond to inquiries regarding these broadcasts?"

I find it interesting that with today's technology, someone is still using somewhat archaic communications for what would seem to be very important information!

[Fast_Eddie]

Well, think about it. If you're in a less developed country undercover, a computer might stick out. But a radio doesn't look like anything odd. Say we have somone in a forgin country and the CIA needs to comunicate to them. They go in with nothing and can pick up a short wave radio once they are there. Cheap and easy. Getting a computer and internet access might be hard.

[Sandy G]

Guys-This is a bit off topic,but...a pal of mine who's BIG-TIME into backpacking told me he was over in the heart of the Great Smoky Mtns. Nat'l Park once, & he heard this far-off noise that was mechanical in nature. Getting to the top of the ridge, he was astounded to see these HUGE Ventilation fans/HVAC system, on top of what must have been an immense underground facility. No roads, he said this was 10 miles from anywhere. This guy ain't into spinning yarns, I believe him. I still think it would floor any of us, if we knew what Uncle Sugar REALLY has in facilities/super-duper toys...-Sandy G.

[Charlie]

Sandy...

If you're friend would have had a portable shortwave set with him, I bet he would have picked up a whole slew of numbers that day!!! :) :yes:

[heathkit tv]

I had never heard of this. I work at a TV station and no one here had heard of it either. I pitched it to the News guys. We're doing a story about it next month! With all the increased concer over homeland security, it's just a neat thing that's going on in the world that I bet people would like to know about. Even if we don't really know much!

Thanks for the "tip"

Ed

Don't be surprised if the FCC "reviews" your station's license. :naughty:

Well, think about it. If you're in a less developed country undercover, a computer might stick out. But a radio doesn't look like anything odd. Say we have somone in a forgin country and the CIA needs to comunicate to them. They go in with nothing and can pick up a short wave radio once they are there. Cheap and easy. Getting a computer and internet access might be hard.

Very true...come to think of it, sometimes it's easiest to trip up high tech stuff with the most old fashioned and simplest methods. Perfect example, supposedly Al Queda has for the most part given up using satellite phones and gone to hand delivering messages!

Anthony

[DaWoofer]

Maybe its somebody keeping track of vintage audio prices. (Secretly you know)

[Wornears]

Fisherdude:

I was approached by an NSA guy while in college. We were in a senior level Latin American government class. He was an older student in his 40s, and I had just returned from about a year working in Brasil and spoke fluent Portuguese and Spanish then. ('77). We had a very interesting conversation one afternoon when he asked me if I had ever heard of the NSA and considered working for them.

I had a "Secret" clearance at the time and had certainly heard of the agency -- I'd worked near some of those big "Elephant cage" listening antennae in AK, and also worked on Sheyma, AK island on the Aleutian chain where over-the-horizon ballistic missille detection radar (BMEWs, Cobra Dane) aimed at the Rooskies operated. I politely declined his offer of sponsorship.

I started college as a EE, too, but working overseas corrupted me and I graduated with an English degree with a Math minor. As far as my family was concerned (lifer USAF dad, and dutiful mom) -- I did the equivalent of applying for Russian citizenship. Took a looong time for that to get accepted.

Sandy G.: Having lived near USAF air bases all my formative years, and having a dad get called on alert more than once in the '60s, I got to experience those laughable "Duck & Cover" movies and exercises in elementary school. I can remember how we used to practice getting under our desks and pretending that was going to help protect us from all the blown-in glass.

When working on Shemya, AK we used to joke that the last transmission from there was going to be, "This is Shemya, we have an unidentified . . . . bzzzzzzz"

You can only hope it's that quick.

[Fisherdude]

My last security clearance was Top Secret, Cryptographic, Special Intelligence, Codeword. The next level up is what's known as compartmentalized, meaning that just because you have a necessary clearance isn't enough to get you access to that "compartment", you still have to have the "need to know".

The two worst duty stations on earth were Adak Alaska and Sinop Turkey. Luckily I was in Augsburg, Germany. Not bad at all!

I could have stayed on at NSA after my discharge, but the Baltimore/DC area is truly a horrid place to live if you're not wealthy enough to insulate yourself from the environment and surroundings.

One of the favorite phrases in ASA was: "In God We Trust...all others we monitor!"

[Sandy G]

Hmmmmm. Always figured we have a few "spooks" here at AK-too bad you can't tell us more or you'd have to kill all of us.I sure would have like to found out WTF that place my bud saw over in the middle of nowhere in the Smokies was...and those strange tones/notes I heard on the phone that time were...peculiar.-Sandy G.

[heathkit tv]

3 can keep a secret when 2 are dead.....or my spin on that:

4,353 can keep a secret when 4,352 are dead. More skulls for the collection that way! LOL Speaking of spooks, remember that movie "Sneakers"? I supplied the yellow Karmann Ghia for that and kept missing meeting Aykroyd by minutes!

[Wornears]

Let me tell you folks, when Fisherdude talks about Adak, AK as being a lousy duty station -- that place was "downtown." I think the Navy even had dependents stationed there at one time. The asshole of the Earth is Attu, AK -- the very last inhabited island of the Aleutian chain. [Can you believe that the Japanese actually landed on Attu and Shemya in WWII and we fought like mad dogs for those rocks?] Attu is/was(?) manned by about 15 Coast Guard guys who maintained a Loran C timing site -- we landed there before going to Shemya. Everybody showed up on the airstrip just for the human contact.

I also worked on the former Dew Line in the Canadian Arctic at a main station with about 35 people -- they had "out" sites where only three guys sat with radar gear in the middle of the ice between the main stations. Not too much to do up there --they used to show porno movies inside the radar domes while waiting for the Rooskies' missiles to come over the Pole -- your tax dollars at work.

I salute you Fisherdude -- I know a little about that level of clearance you had. I'd be surprised if they're not still following you around with that level of security access. People, when he "jokes" about if he told you something he'd have to kill you -- I don't think he's really joking that much...<G>

[Sandy G]

The fella I've bought quite a few of my guns from was EOD & Intel in Nam, says even now he gets visits from folks from the "company". And he came back to The World in '72. Never anybody he knows, yet they always know him, & they'll never identify themselves, but will let it be known-very subtly-who they're working for.Just a certain word or phrase is all that is said. Very weird. But Jim's a licensed FFL dealer, & is above reproach.-Sandy G.

[Fast_Eddie]

Anyone who is interested in this stuff- go to npr.org and search for "numbers stations". They did a great report on it last year that you can listen too over the internet. I sent it to our News Director. That's what finally got me over the top in the story pitch. If you've never actually heard one, there are many examples in the report. I was rivited to it.

I got my son who turns 9 tomorrow to listen to the NPR report. He thought it was really cool too. I had to dust off my old boom box from the 80s with a short wave tuner in it. We didn't find anything, but he had a great time trying to tune it.

Anyone know of a decent short wave set that I could pick up cheap? I don't need anything good, but the old boom box doesn't pick up much and the tuner is way too sensative. Really easy to glide right over a station without ever knowing it was there. I would like to encourage the interest my son is showing. He likes to take speakers apart with me too! I even got him to tag along on a Thrift Store trip one Saturday. We have one in the making here! Never could get him too interested in cars though.

Take care,

Ed

[Fisherdude]

When I talk about Adak, AK being lousy duty, I'm just talking about places with electricity! :D For those who worked out of pup tents, yes, it does get worse!

Although in Sinop, just getting outside the perimeter fence was considered a good day.

When I got out I had to sign all kinds of documents promising not to leave the 48 contiguous states for one year, couldn't even visit Canada or Mexico. I wasn't allowed to visit any country with any form of communist government for 10 years. The idea was that by then whatever they tortured out of you was too out of date to be useful. It wouldn't have been that tough with me. Show me a nice redhead and I'll tell you anything! :naughty:

[Fast_Eddie]

Mmmmm, Redheads.

[Wornears]

"I'm just talking about places with electricity!"

Ha! Amen to that.

[hpsenicka]

Grundig makes a range of SW radios that are apparrently all fairly good.

The "Yacht Boy" series are nice portables....

In Canada you can get them at Radio Shack

[Sandy G]

This has nothing to do w/numbers stations, but its a neat story, & I don't know where else to put it. This old lady that was a big bud of my grandmother, ran a boarding house during the War. There were 3 guys who would stay with her every so often, they had a truck, & usually one would stay w/it, while the others would sleep inside. They'd spend the night, come back a day or 2 later, & then she wouldn't see them for a month or 2. This continued all thru the war years. Mrs Thompson got to know them fairly well, but never asked what they were doing. After the War was over, one of them came back & asked her if she ever wondered what they were doing. She said yes, but it wasn't any of her business, so she never asked. The guy said, "Mrs Thompson, we were going back & forth to Oak Ridge. Several nights, you had parts of the Atomic Bomb sitting in yr driveway !" She's long since gone, but her house is still there-about a block away from where I'm sitting as I type this. -Sandy G.

[mhardy6647]

She's long since gone, but her house is still there-about a block away from where I'm sitting as I type this. -

Glowing faintly...

[Ed in SoDak]

I have the '67 Electronics Illustrated with the article on the numbers stations. Even had a slip of an OTP. I first heard them about that time or a couple years later.

Hallicrafters made a good AC/DC SWL radio. Any of the S-38 series would be a good choice, about 50 bucks or less typically. Being AC/DC there are stray voltage issues. Nothing that can't be dealt with if you can solder in a part or wire a new power cord, but old unrepaired units may have some risks. I know at age 9, I woulda loved to own one, shock hazard or not, but perhaps a transistor set is more appropriate.

Any of Zenith's transistorized versions of the Trans Oceanic would be great. The Halli is nice as it has a bandspread dial for fine tuning. Many "casual swl" portable will not tune that well, but you could probably snag a station with patience, good timing and some luck. An outdoor antenna, just a long wire strung out there, would help.

Most of the signals seem quite strong, maybe they're close by me, in the Hall of Records behind Mt. Rushmore maybe??

-Ed

[Sandy G]

There is a book, "Passport to World Band Radio" that you may want to check out. It has schedules for a lot of the bigger broadcasters, eceiving tips, & reviews of quite a few of currently-available radios. It comes out once a year. There are 2 fairly well-distributed magazines, "Popular Communications" & "Monitoring Times", that have product reviews as well. Me, I'd save up & go for a Rick Mish restored R-390A-it's the ONLY way to fly....but not everyone wants an imposing 85 lb radio sitting around...-Sandy G.

[Fast_Eddie]

I had never heard of this. I work at a TV station and no one here had heard of it either. I pitched it to the News guys. We're doing a story about it next month! With all the increased concer over homeland security, it's just a neat thing that's going on in the world that I bet people would like to know about. Even if we don't really know much!

Thanks for the "tip"

Ed

The news guys loved the story. It's May "sweeps" right now and the story just aired. I work at a CBS station, and on Friday nights we have a show called "Numbers" that airs before our newscast. That coupled with it being Friday the 13th added up to the perfect opportunity to do the story.

At the end, the anchors asked the reporter where he got the story and he said that one of the guys in the promotion department, an "audio enthusiast" pitched it and they all thought it was interesting. Pretty neat!

Thanks again!

Ed

[Charlie]

Hey Eddie!

That's great! Maybe this will get you a raise in pay! If so, we're all coming to your house for beer!

Curious... does your TV station have a website? Is it possible to go to the website and read the story? Would be interesting to see what they had to say.

Our local stations have websites, and that's how I try to keep up with what's goin on in my area when I'm on the ship in ports other than my own.

If you could provide a link to the story, it would be appreciated!

[Fast_Eddie]

Yes, the web site is http://www.cbs4denver.com

The story likely won't post on the site till monday. They don't put them up until after they air.

Thanks,

Ed

[Charlie]

I just finished looking over the story cbs-4 did on the numbers stations. Pretty freakin cool! There was also a link to click to see the video/audio of the story. I like the background audio they used while reporting the story! Made it seem even creepier! :yes:

http://kcncimg.dayport.com/htm/kcnc4player_noads.htm?Art_ID=5775&tf=kcncviewer_noads.tpl

[Mark B]

CBS channel 4 in Denver did a great job on the story - nice going Fast Eddie! :thmbsp:

[dingus]

nice going Eddie, aka "Jimmy the Spy in the mailroom".