View Full Version : Rap and Rock (slightly OT and rambling)


mobydud
04-05-2005, 08:40 PM
Had a bad experience a month or so ago. Came out of my apartment on Sunday morning to go to work and found a big empty hole where my car was parked the night before. Stolen.

It's a 93 Buick Roadmaster. I like it because it's a big soft cruisin ride. I realize this car is popular with certain "types" as well, to be pimped out with big skinny tires, spinners or whatever they call them, and always bumpin out rap music. So anyway these 4 guys just helped themselves to a Sat. night ride, without my permission.

I got a call from the police 3 days later. They had my car at the impound lot. Had been abandoned and towed in when it was checked out as stolen. So I go down to the lot expecting the worst, because the officer told me the car had been ditched, and I assumed she meant literally ditched. But I was very fortunate all things considered. They had broken out the rear quarter window, and popped the steering column. No other real damage, just a nearly drained tank and they seemed to be fascinated with the windshield wipers. They used almost a quarter gallon of washer fluid. I know for sure because I had just gassed up and filled the washers the night before..ain't that strange? They cruised probably all night, till it was low on gas and then dumped it.


I know there were at least 4 of them by the "souvineours" they left me.


First of all was the rap tape in the stereo. Lil Wayne...just peachy. Volume up all the way along with the bass and treble. Ouch.

Both front seats laid ALL the way back....ghetto stylin. So there were two of them in the front. Cig and cigar butts in the rear ashtrays, and the floor mats all wadded up on both sides. So that's two more in the back, at least.

A big jug of pink lemonade tossed on the floorboards, and some Hawaiian Fruit Punch. Ok..I guess it coulda been 'forties'...but they probably weren't old enough to buy booze. They did smoke a joint though, and left me the roach in the ashtray. Thanks guys, not anymore. Tossed it when I cleaned out the car today.

The sawed off screwdriver they used to break the glass and pop the column was dropped in the side pocket of the door. Guess they will have to make a new one next time, maybe they were in a hurry when they parked it and forgot it was there.

When I finally took the car to the carwash today to clean it out good and really go over it, I found two more cassette tapes shoved up under the driver seat. Ginuwine, featuring Ludicris....and this is the puzzler.....The Beatles Hey Jude.

What is the deal with the blend of Rap and Classic Rock? The other day I was in a restaurant and they were playing a local hip hop station. One of the "songs"..if you can call it that..was some rapper rappin' along to Aerosmith..I mean the Aerosmith tune was playing in the background and he was just a rappin away with new lyrics.

Are we seeing some new trend, or acknowledgement of past classics with the kids that are listening to Rap music?

As much as it sickens me, it would be ironic if history was repeating itself once again. Once before, white kids listening to black music gave us Rock and Roll, along with mainstream Blues and Jazz...even if it's been a long time coming.

What could Lil Wayne, Ginuwine, Ludicris and The Beatles evolve into? Is there more to Rap than meets the ear..disgusting as it is? Is this just part of a Vintage revival in music, along with the vinyl resurgance and vintage stereo's as well?

Whaddup??

tentoze
04-05-2005, 08:47 PM
What could Lil Wayne, Ginuwine, Ludicris and The Beatles evolve into? Is there more to Rap than meets the ear..disgusting as it is? Is this just part of a Vintage revival in music, along with the vinyl resurgance and vintage stereo's as well?

Whaddup??

Short answer: Nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

luvvinvinyl
04-05-2005, 08:50 PM
Glad you got your car back, and in serviceable condition. You are one lucky mobydud.

foetusized
04-05-2005, 08:57 PM
The other day I was in a restaurant and they were playing a local hip hop station. One of the "songs"..if you can call it that..was some rapper rappin' along to Aerosmith..I mean the Aerosmith tune was playing in the background and he was just a rappin away with new lyrics.The whole classic rock/rap bastardization started with Run-DMC rapping over Areosmith's "Walk This Way" back in the 1980s. Kick-started Aerosmith's career back into action too, IIRC -- Foe

mobydud
04-05-2005, 09:03 PM
Yup foetus, I remember that. I suppose I'm just kinda stunned to have found the Beatles tape along with everything else. Talk about culture clash..damn.

Sandy G
04-05-2005, 09:26 PM
I'm just glad you got yr car back reasonably intact.-Sandy G.

elroymcgee
04-06-2005, 03:40 AM
If the music industry would let these musicians "create" music, then I believe that we would be hearing a lot of great new tunes. Country Western is big on sliding a pop song over to there side, same with Rap and Hip Hop,

Think about this, what happened to all the musicians you used to listen to, they still put out music, but the "industry" wont let them put it on the play list at the radio station.

Man you kinda hit a nerve, also, glad you got your car back

mobydud
04-06-2005, 11:48 AM
Thanks Elroy, and everyone else who expressed gladness that I got my car back as good as before after doing the window and column repair. I never expected to see it again either, I am very fortunate here.

I don't listen to the radio hardly at all..only in sheer desperation really if I'm driving around for a while. So I'm not much up on what's going on in music today...from the "industry" standpoint anyhow. Needless to say I don't have MTV or watch videos either so I'm basically clueless here.

I'd have to agree that a lot of what I have heard of mainstream "Country" music is rehashed pop with a nasal twang. Copycat wannabes..parading around as some kind of original.

And Rap is Crap.

When you don't have any talent of your own, just go steal someone elses.

Like my car. Bout says it all.

mg196
04-06-2005, 12:25 PM
When you don't have any talent of your own, just go steal someone elses.

Be careful with those statements. After all, didn't Led Zeppelin make a career out of it?! Or Elvis for that matter...

I stopped listening to rap music entirely around '95 when I graduated college. The super-slick studio/pop sheen rap succumbed to in the 90's took the life out of it if you ask me.

Understanding the evolution of hip hop is understanding the evolution of almost all popular music, most notably Rock 'N' Roll. Hip hop was born out of the poorest of the poor sections of NYC...blocks and blocks of shattered ghettos that looked like the ruins of Beirut.

Hmmm...what other great American artform came from a dirt poor region of the USA whose influence came to dominate the world. BLUES perhaps? And were the Blues raped and plundered by another type of music, whose artists gave absolutely no credit to the original performers/writers? Hmmm...ROCK AND ROLL anyone?

But, like you said, "When you don't have any talent of your own, just go steal someone elses."

Just something to think about.

piece-it pete
04-06-2005, 12:26 PM
Sorry to hear about your car (love those Roadmasters - well named), glad you got it back.

I hate that sinking feeling when you realise your car is really... gone.

Rap, rock - Rack? Rop? Fact is, "black" music has influenced/driven pop music for decades and decades. Right now, rappers are "sampling" AC/DC, disco, all kinds. Do I LIKE it? Some, yes, mostly no, certainly no hoe slappin' cop killing ignorant stuff, and bubble-gum pop is always what it is.

Maybe they had stolen tapes too? It is a weird mix, I'm picturing Easy Mo Bee rapping to Hey Jude. Maybe he could do Lucy in the Sky lol. Who needs hallucinigenics in this day and age?

Pete

madpioneer
04-06-2005, 02:39 PM
First off I want to say I am glad this turned around for you as it did. Getting your car stolen just sux! Most who get them back are not as fortunate with damage and vandalism as you were!

I worked with a person who told me his friend created sample beats, and worked with some up & coming artist in the rap world? He supposedly created a beat sample for a really popular rap/hip hop hit song on the radio years ago. He told me he and his friend listened to some rock. Songs with catchy beats for ideas for sampling for rap. They did not like the music or the signing so much it was the beat for them. Maybe Jude was a song they were trying to get inspiration from? Whenever I tell some of the younger people I work with that the song that just played on the hip hop station or alternative station is a remake of an older song they usually have no clue what I am talking about.
They looked puzzled?
I know rap came from the streets. It was used on the corners in the ghetto to out ryme each other. No beat no samples just the human voice in the beginning. Some stupid ass record exec or the like saw the $$$ & graduated it from the streets.
Sorry to say to all the rap fans here but I wish it had stayed in the streets, it is a non-talent form of noise if you ask me.
Saw a Metallica tribute once, Snoop Dogg desperately tried to sing one of their songs with very sorry results. I will say it again, when you can’t sing or bother to take the time to play an instrument you rap!!!! Nuff said ‘g-dog, that’s how we roll, money!!!