Sansui BIG FATTY!!

[madpioneer]

Not exactly silver vintage,but would be great for HT or other application in the home of the Sansui fan!:D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14973&item=3000121066

[michael w]

Why do so many ebayers continually get amp power ratings so wrong ?

Is it akin to "small penis " syndrome where the owner must brag that his is bigger than anyone else's ?

:rolleyes:

If that amp is 650/400 wpc , it must be PMPO or some other nonsense rating.

The Audio Directory listed that amp as a 200wpc RMS unit.


cheerio

[car67]

If that amp is 650/400 wpc , it must be PMPO or some other nonsense rating.

Or it's the power consumption rating. :rolleyes: Yep, get the feeling that some take a look at the sticker on the back panel and go yes, this must be it. :)


Be curious about the sound. Has a nice big toroidal and large caps. Thanks for the post Madpioneer.

cheers

[Night Wolf]

yeah I laugh when they see the power consumption and then list that as the wpc rating

to tell you the truth, that amp was real badass when I first saw it, but each cap is *only* 8,200 uF, so a total of 32,800uF

for compaison my Kenwood KR-8010, 125wpc has 36,000uF total (and I would consider Sansui above Kenwood)

or a Sansui AU-517, 65wpc, has 4 caps, each 12,000uF

hmmmm, I really don't care for the 80's gear though, as they were all balck, and plastic, and everything was soo cheapy made

[Pat S.]

That guy definately has the power rating wrong. The 650 Watts does indeed refer to the unit's power consumption rating. Also, there is no way that amp puts out 400 WPC into 8 ohms. Maybe the seller was smoking a "big fatty" when he typed up his ad.

As for the unit's quality, its a well-designed, solid piece of equipment. There are alot of misconceptions about Sansui stuff from the 80's.

[michael w]

Power consumption...........of course !

After all a watt is a watt isn't it ?

:D


Just like all those guys who look at their car speedo and think that the biggest number must be the car's top speed.

:p:


cheerio

[bully]

Actually, it is a pretty nice amplifier. Similar to my 200 wpc, X-balanced Yamaha M-70.
I've almost thought of buying one a few times.

pete

[BeatleFred]

Sigh.............................. Unfortunately, I spent about an hour responding to this Post and then when I went to post it- that damn error, Not Logged In appeared. Lately when its happened I was able to go back one screen to the message and highlight it in blue and then log in and copy the message into my reply and it would get posted- much to my relief. But this time, when I got the Not Logged In message, when I went back to my message to try and copy it, I got that common XP error message (the one that gives the box and the option to send the error report or not) and unfortunately I lost the whole message- so I can kiss about an Hour of valuable time and typing down the drain in the blink of any eye- man that is FRRRRRRRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had wanted to post some good info on the B2102, and some stuff on the power ratings, but Sorry Guys, I dont have the energy to compose that whole message all over again. Until that annoying problem gets fixed on this Site, I am going to have to remember to keep whatever I write on here, short.

Whoever handles this: Please have the problem corrected. it seems that if you are replying to someone's post and you are spending more than a half n hour- typing, and pausing to think about what you want to say, the system takes the liberty of automatically logging you out and you dont find that out until it comes time to post the message you worked very hard to write.

B/F.

[michael w]

BF do what I do when composing posts..

Write it initally in Note pad or Wordpad; not only can you now surf the rest of the posts while writing your epic you won't lose anything to glitches or automatic timeouts or other "surprises".

:D

Then we you have finished your literary masterpiece, simply hit "reply" and copy from Note/Word pad to the reply box.




cheerio

[BeatleFred]

Thanks for the suggestion, Michael, that would be a sensible thing to do (copy from Notepad) and foolproof as well.

Well, regarding the comments made on the B-2102: It is not unusual at all for Ebay Sellers to inflate the power ratings (as if the B-2102 at 200W wasnt powerful enough already). It might be unintentional by some people- those that arent much into hi fi and are just giving their best estimate for what they think the Power is (commonly looking at the back of the unit for whats listed there, in which case if it were a 9090DB for example, they'd think its 435W, rather than the more common standard rms continuous power which is 125W for the 9090DB). Or perhaps they've used some Information that they found Online which they thought was true, but isnt, regarding the wattage. I think if you just read their Ad and note the degree of how much the seller seems to be, or not be, hyping-up what he/she's offering, you can pretty much judge whether he/she's overinflating the wattage intentionally or not.

Dates are also another source of inaccuracy- though, compared to wattage mistakes, not knowing the date is a little more understandable. However, B/F here has already mentioned the simple way to determine any Sansui's year/month of manufacture by the serial # in the back- so if word of that spreads around, perhaps inaccurate dates will occur less often. On several occasions, I have contacted Sansui Ebay sellers and informed them of power/date inaccuracies- after that its up to them if they want to make the corrections in their auction.

Regarding the B-2012: The date is inaccurate- in terms of the when the unit was made, there was a B-2101 that came before it, so 1982 is a lil' early. And for another thing, avg model life in the (Sansui) Product line is 2-3 years, not 5.

The B-2102 is listed in the February 87 issue of Stereo Review magazine- the Annual Directory issue. Page 88 to be exact. Rms wattge is 200W, hoever, it does list the amp as having a 600W per channel dynamic rating into 2 ohms. So, maybe the Seller heard or saw something about the latter rating which can thus be attributed to his over-zealousness.

*** There should not be too many misunderstandings about overinflated wattage on Sansui models- I can make it very simple for everyone: Sansui did not make any model that was more than 300 Watts (rms continuous). In fact, there were only 3 that were exactly that high: 1) BA-5000, 2) G-33000, and 3) B-2301. *

B/F.

[Night Wolf]

Originally posted by BeatleFred
Sigh.............................. Unfortunately, I spent about an hour responding to this Post and then when I went to post it- that damn error, Not Logged In appeared. Lately when its happened I was able to go back one screen to the message and highlight it in blue and then log in and copy the message into my reply and it would get posted- much to my relief. But this time, when I got the Not Logged In message, when I went back to my message to try and copy it, I got that common XP error message (the one that gives the box and the option to send the error report or not) and unfortunately I lost the whole message- so I can kiss about an Hour of valuable time and typing down the drain in the blink of any eye- man that is FRRRRRRRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had wanted to post some good info on the B2102, and some stuff on the power ratings, but Sorry Guys, I dont have the energy to compose that whole message all over again. Until that annoying problem gets fixed on this Site, I am going to have to remember to keep whatever I write on here, short.

Whoever handles this: Please have the problem corrected. it seems that if you are replying to someone's post and you are spending more than a half n hour- typing, and pausing to think about what you want to say, the system takes the liberty of automatically logging you out and you dont find that out until it comes time to post the message you worked very hard to write.

B/F.

I hate when that happends, use to ALL the time with 56K, and I had AOL which realy sucks, and when you got booted it would close down any and all open windows, soo many hour long posts just gone away

also at the Grand Am forums I go to, sometimes while typeing, or when I mean to hit the left arrow key, my finger would hit the back jey (for your browser) and once that happends, there is no way at all to get your message back

man, I know how you feel that is very fusterating.

what I do, is, if I am making a long post, just every 5min. or so highlight it all and click copy, that was it is always on the computer's memory, so if anything happend, you just paste it and only re-type the whole 2 or 3 minutes you lost, that is unless your whole system crashes :D

man, I wish I could get Linux goin, with dual hard disk (well, 3 becuase the big one is aprtitoned) and about 110gb of useable space, I have the space to do whatever I want :D

[nategr8d8]

The unit had one of the speaker output posts broken off so I emailed the fellow asking if he still had the plastic capture nut (the hardest piece to find).

He emailed back with a post stating the reserve of US $399 for the unit. I think that I would want it to be perfect for that much. Probaly why it did not sell and was not relisted.

My pre-divorce system was a C-2101 preamp and a B-2101 amp that I bought from the Navy Exchange.

[Toasted Almond]

You didn't drop those two pieces off about 6 months ago at the Fort Dix Thrift Shop did you? I bought those two pieces, MINT, about the Aug '02 time frame from them for $150 total. I sold both pieces to one of the guys I fly with for exactly what I paid for them, but have never seen any info on them anywhere. You wouldn't happen to remember the power amp specs by any chance would you? Looked to be about 150-200wpc, but I'm guessing.

George

[nategr8d8]

Hi George!

Those weren't mine. My ex still has them along with the Klipsch Forte's, Sansui tuner, cd player, DW-99 cassette, Klipsch Heresy's 300 albums and and 200 CD's. She halved my music collection over 6 years ago.

I was over the other day to pick up my son. Everything looks like hell! The speakers have various blown drivers and the components have had beer poured into them so many times I expect to see a tap growing from them any day.

However I was able to retrieve my Denon DP-62L turntable and the Shure V15MR stylus and cartridge. They were still in the box since no one knew how to set them up.

The unit pretty much has the same specs as listed for the Japanese version on the sansui.us site. These really were a custom sale for the military exchange program. I ordered mine and then they were built then shipped from Japan to the US.

I don't currently have access to the original specs but know that the B-2101 would do at least 200W RMS with peaks approaching 290W. I was an Electronic's Technician in the Navy and brought the amp in the shop to test it and piss everyone off that I had such a fine stereo. I had to shut things down before finishing the test.

They were godawful awesome. If your buddy ever wants to sell them let me know!

I currently have purchased a TU-717 and AU-717 off of Ebay and are building a pair of Klipschorn's with the K-43 industrial woofer instead of the K-33. The B-2101 would be perfect to drive them.

[BeatleFred]

Guys, if you scroll up to my Post, I mentioned what the specs were on the B-2101.

[BeatleFred]

Its 200W rms. The B-2301 was the top model at 300W- reviewed in April 1985 issue of Audio magazine.

[nategr8d8]

Thanks!

When Toast said he had obtained a c-2101 and b-2101 in mint condition my slobber glands went wild thinking about what if his friend didn't want them!

[Toasted Almond]

Thanks for the info.

Toasted's friend DID want them, especially at the $150 price point. It is in poor taste, and totally bad form, to make profit off friends, or people who seek you out for your PURPORTED expertise. As a matter of fact, it is my good fortune that everybody here is already an expert.

Actually, had the amp been powerful enough for my needs, I would've kept it....... but it wasn't........so I didn't.


Toasted Almond

[nategr8d8]

Hi Toasted!

Please let your friend know that if he tires of those components I would not mind him making a profit since I don't really know him.

Almost everyone of these systems I have come accross are trashed. Of course after 10 years in the military and knowing these were sold mostly to military I know why! Lets just say it took lots of effort to keep mine out of the way of drunken mitts and projectile vomiting.

I still could not keep them out of the hands of the most evil destructive force known to man. The uncaring ex-spouse!

The Sansui's TU-717 and AU-717 I picked up on ebay are in excellent condition and would sell quickly. I could modify the filter section to make the tuner a DX rig which would make it more valuable.

Regardless if he is interested send him my way.

Regards

[Toasted Almond]

I scrolled up to your post there BeatleFred, and there are no specs there. Just a comment about the B2101 being produced before the B-2102.


Nate, I don't think my friend will be parting with that set-up anytime soon.

Toasted Almond