View Full Version : Does a garrard zero-100c have a low mass tonearm?


INDIANSCOUT
12-30-2011, 05:30 PM
Does a garrard zero-100c have a low mass tonearm? I don't know what is meant by a low mass tonearm in reference to a cartridge? I have several audio-technica cartridges like an at20ss, at15sa, at 150mlx and the vintage at14sa series. I hear everyone talking about these carts designed for tonearms and wonder what the recommendations would be for my zero-100c in fabulous condition?
Thank you all in advance!

vinyldavid
12-30-2011, 05:39 PM
I would say it has a low mass arm. My 100 came with an Audio Technica AT15s mounted.

INDIANSCOUT
12-30-2011, 05:43 PM
What do you think would be a high mass tonearm? I hear everyone saying they all have a low mass tonearm and I suppose they all can't be low mass? How do you like the at15s cart?

gridleakrick
12-30-2011, 05:54 PM
What do you think would be a high mass tonearm? I hear everyone saying they all have a low mass tonearm and I suppose they all can't be low mass?


This is a really interesting question. Of all the common turntables and changers from the 1970s/1980s (Pioneer, Technics, Garrard, Miracord, Dual, etc.), which ones have high mass arms--or even medium mass arms?
Rick

INDIANSCOUT
12-30-2011, 05:55 PM
I think this definitely deserves clarification from the AK members!

hifitommy
12-30-2011, 06:44 PM
the way i see it, it is high mass and high friction. yes, they play and work but i think it would stress the suspension of the cartridge too much.

here is an old AK thread. differing opinions:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=321496

Celt
12-30-2011, 06:49 PM
AFAIK, none of my TT's or their arms ever attended Mass...

gadget73
12-30-2011, 06:58 PM
Its a solid aluminum main arm, and an aluminum rod for the tengental pivot stuff. The adjuster weight is also on the cartridge side of the arm. Not sure its properly low mass, probably more like medium mass at least. Its also got a lot of friction in there. The stock cartridge that most of those came with was a Pickering V15 AC3, which is not really a high compliance cartridge.

boreas
12-30-2011, 06:59 PM
AFAIK, none of my TT's or their arms ever attended Mass...

For Midnight Mass one Christmas Eve I went to a Solemn High Pontifical Mass. Never again!

John

orthophonic
12-30-2011, 07:43 PM
Yes, definately high mass.

Bob
12-30-2011, 07:51 PM
it's one of the highest mass arms around. do not use high compliance cartridges
on these.

Had one and it snapped the cantilevers off several cartridges before I figured
it out.

mhardy6647
12-30-2011, 07:51 PM
Not hardly (low mass).

KentTeffeteller
12-30-2011, 08:26 PM
Not a low mass tonearm on this one. More like a high side of medium mass up tonearm. Very mechanically sloppy.

INDIANSCOUT
12-30-2011, 09:17 PM
I read the other thread that hifitommy stated and everyone seemed to think the Zero-100 was awful! I ask this because I bought my zero-100c new back in the late 70's and I have a AT14sa, at15sa and at20ss and they all play fabulously. I must have gotten the only zero-100c that was properly made. I have used it since the 70's and had a Sony P7x, Dual 1226, Technics SL-D2 and a Pioneer PL-300 and none of them have sounded as good as the Garrard. Is it possible that the zero-100c was a really good turntable? Did I get the only good one ever made?
Also, what is a high compliance cartridge? What brand and how do you determine what is high compliance?

typesix
12-30-2011, 10:18 PM
Definitely not low mass, I had its lower cousin the Z-92, with a Shure M91ED. Warped records were hard to track, on some, the tonearm/cartridge combo actually launched into the air by a warp. I later got rid of the Z-92 for the GT-55, which had a low mass version of the zero tracking arm, and had no problems tracking warped records.

INDIANSCOUT
12-31-2011, 03:11 AM
so, are audiotechnica At20ss and at14sa low mass or high mass?

jjohnstone
12-31-2011, 09:25 AM
I read the other thread that hifitommy stated and everyone seemed to think the Zero-100 was awful! I ask this because I bought my zero-100c new back in the late 70's and I have a AT14sa, at15sa and at20ss and they all play fabulously. I must have gotten the only zero-100c that was properly made. I have used it since the 70's and had a Sony P7x, Dual 1226, Technics SL-D2 and a Pioneer PL-300 and none of them have sounded as good as the Garrard. Is it possible that the zero-100c was a really good turntable? Did I get the only good one ever made?
Also, what is a high compliance cartridge? What brand and how do you determine what is high compliance?

I have had two Zero 100 turntables. The first I bought in 1973 (brand new). I put an Audio-Technica AT12 SA cartridge on it. It played great, tracked great, sounded great. Unfortunately, it got stolen in 1974.
I obtained the second Zero 100 last year off the bay. I restored it to near like new condition, and I run a used AT12 SA with new shibata stylus, and also use a new Shure M97xe. They both track fine and sound great. There are no issues with the mass of the tonearm for me. I set the AT to 1.5 grams tracking force, and the M97 to 1.75-2 grams w/brush down.
I have a Pioneer PL-570 and a Thorens TD-145 Mk II as well. The Garrard holds its own in this competition. It is very musical, and great for CD-4 (quadraphonic) albums with its zero tracking error tonearm. So no, you are not the only person with a good Zero 100, since I have had two! I hope this helps. Good luck and a Happy New Year to you!