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Grumpy
07-06-2005, 08:45 AM
Being somewhat of a tuner nut I have more then my fair share. A couple of them are

Accuphase T101
Sansui TU-X1
MD90

What to you folks have and use ?

Grumpy

Celt
07-06-2005, 08:58 AM
You'd think with my families history in radio that I'd have collected several, but sadly, I've sold them all. But in the past I've owned an Avery Fisher tube FM mono tuner (primitive by today's standards, but had great audio), a Magnum Dynalab MD-90 (wasn't impressed), a really nice Pioneer digital tuner from around 1983 that had a wonderful front-end and a rich sound and the first NAD FM/AM analog tuner that unfortunately refused to stay in alignment (surprise! surprise! huh?). These days with radio being what it is, I listen to NPR on my Model One Tivoli (Walnut) and use my GE Superadio-3 (tweaked by me) for long distance AM and FM. Both offer very good fidelity and the Model One can be used as a stand alone tuner with it's line output.

radioactive
07-06-2005, 09:00 AM
i must say i own a few myself,heres the list
philips 673
philips 185
scott 314
scott lt110
dynaco fm3
dynaco fm1
sherwood s2000
eico hft 90
heathkit aj12
heathkit aj41
mcintosh mx110(love the tuner section)
trio fx 121
pilot fm530
fisher r 200 b (am/fm/shortwave)
thats about it from what i can see in front of me.i have others but would have to dig them out to find the model #'s

boxoboom
07-06-2005, 09:01 AM
Three heath AJ1600's, One heath AJ15, one Marantz model 23, and one p.o.s Aiphone :thumbsdn: fer da garage ! That has trouble picking up my own station transmitting out of my basement ! :scratch2: :D

radioactive
07-06-2005, 09:03 AM
These days with radio being what it is, I listen to NPR on my Model One Tivoli (Walnut) and use my GE Superadio-3 (tweaked by me) for long distance AM and FM

hi celt, i too own a ge superadio 3 and was just curious as to which mods you did too yours and did it greatly improve the performance of the radio?
chris

grumpy,
thanks for the new forum :thmbsp:

B3Nut
07-06-2005, 09:05 AM
Only standalone tunas I have are my Luxman T-02, and a wierd Radio Shack AM-stereo tuner I bought on closeout at RS before I was even old enough to drive. :D The Luxman is not bad-sounding but it is a digital tuna, and I generally don't like them. This push buttons to tune the radio ideer is for the birds! :D Nothin' like a good old-fashioned knob...

At least here in the Madison area we have a few stations worth listening to...an eclectic community station (WORT 89.9), the UW-Madison college station (91.7), NPR 88.7 for classical, and 93.1 for classic rock. As long as you don't land on 94.1 JJO (the death-metal cookie-monster station) or Z104.1 (your tuner will be contaminated with teenager tripe) you're fine. :D

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

wizard_len
07-06-2005, 09:07 AM
Well, I've got my Elite F-91 in the main system with an Onkyo T-9090II sitting on the shelf gathering dust, and a couple of McIntosh receivers. The problem is, FM sucks around here...no decent signals.

outlawmws
07-06-2005, 09:12 AM
Sansui TU-717, owned since new. The rest are in receivers. Unfourtunately the SF bay area has mostly crud for stations, and a lot of them are owned by Clear Channel :thumbsdn: .

Going to pick up a small yagi and stick a rotor and mast I have on top of the second story... maybe something is out there... :scratch2:

RichPA
07-06-2005, 09:18 AM
I can't compete with some of these lists, but I have the following tuners:

Sony ST-550ES (just upgraded)
Sherwood S-2400
Dynaco FM-5
Teac Ref 300
Tivoli Model One
GE SuperRadio

All in regular use in various settings.

DanTana
07-06-2005, 09:24 AM
Right now my main tuner is a Saba MD-292. Your probably saying what?? Very nicely made German tuner, that's digital but has analog knob tuning in .05 increments. I can't decide which sounds better, the Saba or Philips AH6731 yet. A true sleeper, if you ever see one cheap that works, snag it immediately.

Celt
07-06-2005, 09:26 AM
hi celt, i too own a ge superadio 3 and was just curious as to which mods you did too yours and did it greatly improve the performance of the radio?

Hey Radioactive! I followed this webpage for alignment procedures. http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/GEsrIIIAlign.htm
These units have Varactor tuning circuits in them, so you won't see the usual 3-gang variable cap in them. Mine like most, suffered from poor scale alignment and the FM sensitivity could have been peaked a little better. I re-dressed the wires to keep them from interfering with the dial string, rebuilt the 2nd Order crossover (yes, it has that too) and added a 3/8" nylon washer behind the tuning knob for smoother action. (The nylon washers supplied with modern gold-plated RCA jacks are perfect for this.) These radios have a lot of potential, but GE is building them for a low price point.

Hey B3, my middle brother sent me one of those Rat Shack stereo AM tuners. They closed them out for like $10. My oldest brother *borrowed* it years ago and I haven't seen it since! There are at least a few stations that are still broadcasting in Motorola C-Quam. WSM in Nashville being one.

bolly
07-06-2005, 09:30 AM
but, my daily driver's still the Kenwood KT-7550. :thmbsp:

Billfort
07-06-2005, 09:38 AM
NAD 4150 - works ok, sounds too SS for me, in storage
Dynaco FM-3 - needs restoration
Scott 350D - ahhhhhhh...now this is the shit, I'm done, the other 2 can stay in storage...

EddyR
07-06-2005, 09:52 AM
I collect tuners and have at least 30 but most are in storage in the attic of my work shop.Here is what I am now running and what I paid for each tuner.
Kenwood kt 7300--$8
Teak st 200-------$9
Sansui tu d99x----$10
Sansui tu x1------$25
MCS 3700--------$20

I paid to much for the MCS 3700 but I like the looks of it and the Sansui tu xi was the steal of the century.It had been in a fire but it worked and I found a new used front panel for it.
Ed

mhardy6647
07-06-2005, 10:11 AM
ya know, I have NO IDEA how many I have... I have a bunch. The deep irony, of course, is that I rarely listen to the radio ('cept for "A Prairie Home Companion" most Saturday nights).

Let's see:

Sherwood S-3000 (my favorite)
Sansui TU-717 (nothing special but nice looking and the only one worth any $)
Yamaha CT-610II (not bad at all)
Yamaha T-550 (got this one new)
Sansui TU5500 (dump find)
Heathkit AJ-41 (IIRC, lovely in orange!)
Craftsmen CT-800 (again, IIRC)
EICO HFT-90 (two of these)
Bell (don't remember the model number; AM-FM mono tube tuner)
h/k C-300? (AM-FM mono tube tuner)
Sherwood (don't remember the model number; AM-FM stereo SS)

That might be all...

oldschool
07-06-2005, 10:11 AM
I have a modest collection...

Sansui TU-9900
Sansui TU-517
Pioneer TX-9100
Pioneer TX-6500 II
Kenwood KT-5300

The TU-9900 is stock, but still a great tuner. For me, the TX-9100 has been a great surprise. It's a fantastic tuner.

axel
07-06-2005, 10:12 AM
I wish I could get my hands on a Toshiba ST-910 or a Wega Lab-Zero just to hear what the fuss was all about but so far I use a Denon TU-850, 1978 FM-only 5-ganger of the superlative kind.

...how can sound be so good although crudely cut at 15k?? ...magic of radio!

skippy_ps
07-06-2005, 10:31 AM
I've got a few and I love everyone one of them.

TU-517 (hooked up right now, this is a great sounding tuner)
TU-717
Denon TU-460 (good inexpensive tuner)
MR-73
MR-77 (on its way here from Terry)
MX-115

I have the FM on nearly 100 % of the time.

Murray

Lefty
07-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Presently down to only:

Luxman T-02 Digital but very good specs and performance
Kenwood L07T II Seven gang cutie

others that have passsed through here worth noting:
Marantz model 120 nice scope
Pioneer F-90 digital but nice specs and performance

Lefty

mg196
07-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Currently, I just have an old Technics rack-system tuner up in the attic. I DO however want a KT-1000 to match my KA-900.

Filmboydoug
07-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Jeez, I'm almost embarrassed to admit I have only 2.

Nikko Gamma V and a NT-890 for back up duty.

BeerCan
07-06-2005, 10:45 AM
I have a few

Pioneer AFT-14 (my daily driver)
Pioneer 8500II
Sansui tu-505
fisher fm-2300
monarch fm-100x
eico hft-90

I also have a 1959 emud am/fm/sw console

radioactive
07-06-2005, 11:21 AM
Hey Radioactive! I followed this webpage for alignment procedures. http://users.netonecom.net/~swordma...EsrIIIAlign.htm
thanks for the link celt i will check it out.my ge also suffers from poor dial alignment and if and when i get around to doing some of the mods listed it will be corrected.
chris

Punker X
07-06-2005, 11:43 AM
Currently in my system...

Sansui TU-X1
Marantz 2130
Kenwood 600T

Many more laying around.

Quite a few other peoples here for work.

3 TU-9900's, another 2130, Scott 350C, Sherwood 3000V, and a few big receivers.

X

Mr.Eat
07-06-2005, 11:58 AM
Sansui TU-9900

bordeno
07-06-2005, 01:01 PM
$25 for a TU-X1!?!? :thmbsp:

That may take the cake as the best deal ever, possibly eclipsing a $7 TU-717.

I have a TU-717 (didn't pay $7) and a Pioneer TX-9100, love both; may have the 717 modded by PunkerX....

hpsenicka
07-06-2005, 01:42 PM
My assortment is a bit more modest, but hopefully will evolve over time...

Kenwood KT-8300 - daily driver
Kenwood KT-6500 (modded by Bob Fitzgerald of FMTUNERINFO)

Kenwood KT-5300
Fischer FM-2121
Pioneer TX-800 (needs work)

pustelniakr
07-06-2005, 01:43 PM
Tanks Grump. This is a thread that'll get some mileage. :thmbsp:

I only have a few, since I'm waiting to accumulate the gear I'll need to tune a tuna, before ramping up my tuna inventory. Here's what I got so far:

Pioneer TX-7500
Pioneer TX-9100
Pioneer TX-9500-II (2 of 'em)

Pioneer TVX-9500 (for snagging TV audio out of the air. Anybody else got one?)

Rich P

marantzbe
07-06-2005, 02:12 PM
My contribution to the post

Marantz 2130
Marantz 2120
Marantz 2110
Marantz ST500
Marantz ST72-L
Pioneer TX-7100

Tony

TBL_HK
07-06-2005, 03:25 PM
I asked the question what digital tuner to buy, and someone suggested I should take a look at an NAD 4220/4225.


I hate colour of that machine, though. Silly grey, and unergonomic buttons.

OK Just bought one for that little money from a 2nd hand shop. It sounds good and sensitivity is good, considering I just connected a wire to the antenna post. Even then, the FM noise is barely audible when listening to broadcasts of classical music.

The blend function works well. and the automatic search works fine. Funny thing is it always drifts +0.05 when finding a staion. It clicks at, say 92.65 MHz when the actual braodcast is 92.60MHz.

I have another digital tuner with the same behaviour. Any idea why? Does it matter?

Squidward
07-06-2005, 04:09 PM
I got a bunch of vintage units stacked around here, but the two tuners in my collection that I love the most are:

Denon TU-1500RD - I like RDS and the convienience of digital presets and remote capability for casual listening.

Sansui TU-555 - I LOVE the "radar dial" cosmetics on these models!

Wish I had a Marantz with a scope, tho. Saw one at AK, it was very pretty.

bob adams
07-06-2005, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the tuner site Grumpy!!! :thmbsp:

I have several tuners that I love. Nothing fancy but they get the job done. I listen to the local PBS stations and WNCW out of Spindale, NC. It's probably one of the best stations in the Southeast US. Bought all my tuners on eBay.

Kenwood KT-7300 ($25) great little tuner
Sansui TU-717 ($150) classic black analog
Sansui TU-E550 ($15) my everyday digital driver
Murantz 2020 (Less than $50) Got it as part of a package deal when buying a Marantz 1122DC intergrated amp I wanted. It's a good little 3-gang tuner but I'm looking for new signal strength and center tuning meters for it.

Tuners I'd like to own beside all the exotic stuff I can't afford.

Sansui TU-S77AMX or TU-S99AMX
Kenwood KT-7500 modded for DX by PunkerX
Pioneer TX-9500 II
Yamaha T-85
Yamaha T-80
Yamaha T-70

Maron Horonzakz
07-06-2005, 07:14 PM
The tuner I like the most is my Sequerra FM-1. My other units are Marantz 10B, Marantz 2130, Scott 350. The scott is no sloutch pull in stations the farthest.

Urizen
07-06-2005, 07:28 PM
Yamaha T-1
Kenwood KT-5300
Kenwood KT-80
Kenwood KT-8005
Kenwood 600T

Inspiribomb
07-06-2005, 07:29 PM
Kenwood kt 7300--$8

You wanna talk tuner prices, Eddy? My one and only tuner is my Kenwood KT-8300, $15 at Goodwill :D

ByrdWyngs
07-06-2005, 08:16 PM
I've only got one separate tuna right now and it's nothing exotic but I think it's a pretty good one.

Sony ST-4950

ginovino
07-06-2005, 08:42 PM
I tried not to enter into this dialogue, but I've made more mistakes with Tuners over the course of time that I feel it would be good for my soul to cleanse it here!

My Dad started us out with a Bogen tuner that required a separate add-0n MPX decoder(circa 1961).. Tubes! what could be bad?

Then we moved on to:

Scott 350B- loved that dial!
Mac MR65B = 2 weeks pay for him
Marantz 10B- I hated that scope.. we never had an outside antenna. (someone owed him money etc) in hindsight.. we always had trouble with it.
Dynaco FM-5 ... nice kit
Sansui Tu-9900.... enough said (started reading the Audio mags)
Sony ST-J75....... had it for years, last year to be exact(Same Audio mags)
Sansui TU-9900 ... Again, almost 24 years later! Who's stupid you say?
Kenwood 600T... Like a Mercedes Gull wing... ya jus gotta hav it!
Sansui Tu-919... As the man says... The Prince who would be King.

The last 3 gems have been updated and modd'd as appropriate by folks you all know and love or hate accordingly.

They are going to my grave with me..it has taken 46 years of my life to finally own those universally accepted as the Best of the Best.

sorry Grump TX-1 is Great and I would like to own that as well. Though even you stated the 919 had better bottom end. :naughty:

Celt
07-06-2005, 09:33 PM
You know, speaking of "tunas", I always wanted a Sumo "Charlie"... ;)

OvenMaster
07-06-2005, 09:46 PM
Many thanx, Grumpy, for this forum!
After living with receivers since 1977, just this past February I got myself a Yamaha T-80 and it smokes anything I'd ever used before. I use a RatShack VU-75 TV/FM antenna up on a mast with a rotor for both TV and FM duties and the results where I live are great:thmbsp: Now if only the FM spec for the antenna actually had positive gain... with a ~40ft run of RG-6 coax and connectors, and an inline amp, I think it evens out to about 0dB gain:lmao:
Tom

mentalmonkey
07-06-2005, 10:20 PM
Wow! sounds like some of you got some real nice hardware. I'm starting small.

Pioneer TX-6500 II
Kenwood KT-7500
Tivoli Model 2 (for work)

DKak
07-06-2005, 10:39 PM
Hoo boy, this is where the obsessive collecting sure shows up...

1) Heathkit AJ-12, waiting for restoration.
2) Heathkit AJ-41, waiting for restoration.
3) Magnum Etude, had lots of work done by Magnum and others.
4) Marantz 2130, at Punker X's now for complete restoration.
5) Marantz 2110, probably next for restoration.
6) Pioneer TX-9500II (modded per Punker X)
7) Pioneer TX-8500II (modded per 9500II per Punker X)
8) Pioneer TX-6800 (modded per 9500II per Punker X)
9) Pioneer F-26 (Series 20)
10) Sansui TU-9900, at Punker X's now for complete restoration.
11) Sumo Charlie, with James Bongiorno's RF rework/upgrade done in 2000 it's now quite a nice little tuner. Quiet as can be.

Used to have a Kenwood L-07TII, an SAE 8000 and some cheap Yamaha tuner too, but sold 'em.

Also have a Magnum 205 Signal Sleuth...what a great product! Everyone listening to FM ought to have one.

Timbo in Oz
07-06-2005, 11:14 PM
My main 'tuna' -

is a much modded Kenwood W8 valve job one of those simulcast rcvrs, it now has a tweeked Studio 12 decoder, on the dial with FM and the other dail has really wide audio band width AM mono for MW and SW, and a 9k whistle filter. the power amsp are off. and will probably come out and on to a chassis and in the bedroom for Valve sound with that lovely slow start up, off a timer.

there are also two tunas in boxes, an analogue Rotel RT324, and an AKAI 'digital' with wide band AM, both being ss.

the other two are rcvrs 1. for the HT(?) in the FR/kitchen and 2. isin the master bedroom on a timer.

1. Denon DRA 550 digital from the 80's 55wattspc.

2. Yamaha R3 digital, late 80's

All are fed by a big antenna array outside, the FM antenna is on the top of the mast. Which is also where the rope and egg-insulator, for my AM wire is it get tuned by a tapped coil and a vane cap at the rcvr.

Below that there's a UHF band I 24 element Yagi, modified , and a really old* phased array double H VHF-TV antenna. Its aluminium elements are extruded thick wall tubing, all slightly bent!

Canberra might be a 'bourgeois town'* like Washington DC, but it is also very hilly, so LOTS of multi-path / ghosts on TV.

And spread out like you would not believe, it is almost 50km from top to bottom and up to 20km wide, yet < 400,000 popn.

Yes, the mast is earthed, the downlead from the AM wire, and the coax, are lightning strike protected, and earthed - to linked rods in the ground outside.

The coax runs down to and in the house are RG11. Overkill? Well I was given it! And yes it IS hard work to connect to wall plates, very hard to bend.


Timbo in Oz

* a Leadbelly song.

Rickster
07-06-2005, 11:57 PM
For 30 years I have been using the same Rotel Tuner in my systems - I bought it in a pawn shop for $35 in 1977.

Just this month I decided to buy a new and better tuner - I ended up with a Consonance (Opera Audio) Reference 1 - tube output Tuner. The main reason I chose Consonance was to match my Consonance 2.2 CD Player.

I could find no definitive "better" choice for similar money so I decided to go for looks and hope it also sounded good.

I knew the build quality would be good cause of the Opera Audio CD player that already owned is built like a Russian Tank.

Turns out it sounds good also - lucky me. I am working on the antenna system this month - that really is the key to great tuner sound

I put the Cd player and Tuner thro' my Jadis KT90 amp to Spendor S8 Speakers (sometimes I use a Jolida 707a tube amp)

Darn good music

Rickster.

doucanoe
07-07-2005, 12:09 AM
Great forum! I love my tuners.


Tube Tuners
Sherwood S-2000 with tuning eye
Sherwood S-2000 w/o tuning eye. I think much older but I am not sure.
Sherwood S-3000 II with tuning eye

Solid State Tuners
Marantz 105
Kenwood KT5500 with walnut case (Im currently looking for mods for this)
Yamaha CT 610 II

RC

Oop's, forgot probably my best sounding FM tuner. PSE Studio Three
I have heard that these can drift a little but mine is just fine. If you appreciate great FM and come across one of these buy it. You will thank me.

Negotiableterms
07-07-2005, 01:12 AM
Thanks Grumpy!

FM Tuners were my first obsession, caused by my Dad buying a Sequerra MkVI. Over time, I've been slowly accumulating:

Accuphase T-100
Accuphase T-109V
Adcom GFT-2
Kenwood KT-917
Magnum Dynalab Etude
Marantz 2130
McIntosh MR78
McIntosh MR80
McIntosh MR85
Onkyo T-9090MkII
Revox B760
SAE Mk VIB
Sansui TU-919
Sansui TU-9900

The obsession's not quite done with; I'm searching high and low for my "last tuner", a Day-Sequerra Broadcast Standard from 1998. Then I'm done...I promise! :yes:

Micropassatman
07-07-2005, 01:48 AM
Great thread! There's something 'romantic' about radio, and the gear we all can use to tap into the ether.

My Tesla/Marconi inspired units:

Kenwood KT-7500
Sony ST-S444ESX
Technics ST-G450

Brian
07-07-2005, 01:28 PM
Yeah know, nev er realized what is growing in my basement until someone asks a question like this. Not long ago it was:

McIntosh MR77
Dyna FM-3
Sherwood S3000IV

Then added a Philips 6731
Recently added a Fisher TFM 300
Yamaha CT-610II

Really, time for me to get another hobby.

juncers
07-07-2005, 01:42 PM
1) Sony ST-5000FW
2) Accuphase T-101
3) Technics ST-9038
4) Pioneer F90
5) Sony ST-5950SD
6) Yamaha CT-1010
7) Yamaha CT-800
8) Sony ST-3950
9) Pioneer TX-608

Ray

mattybumpkin
07-07-2005, 06:23 PM
modded Sansui T-80
Pioneer TX-7800
Kenwood KT-6500
Scott T-526 (needs work)

That's it for the moment. I'm itching for Sansui 717 or 9900 or of the like though.

Regards,

"M"

foetusized
07-07-2005, 08:51 PM
I've got three Pioneers: TX-610, TX-608 (a TX-6800 with a black dial), and a TX-9800 -- Foe

bob adams
07-07-2005, 08:59 PM
Dayyum some of you guys got kits to die for. Questions for some of the guys with the exotics

Dkak - That F-26 , is it as good as they say it is? And which tuner in your group do you like the best?

Negotiableterms - Out of all those dream tuners you own, which one do you wind up turning on the most?

nitrous
07-07-2005, 10:23 PM
When I want that warm glow sound, I listen to my McIntosh MR 74 & MR 73.
When I want that crystal clear punch, I listen to my Marantz 150 & 120.
When I want to listen to an authentic tube sound , I turn on my tube tuner in my Fisher 600 hybrid receiver.

They all sound great!

timoteus
07-07-2005, 11:58 PM
A tuner forum! This is a great idea. I find the FM Tuners Group on Yahoo to be frustrating to read and post on, a regular board like here is much better.
:thmbsp:

Kenwood Model 600T
Kenwood KT-9900
Kenwood KT-8007

JimmyNeutron
07-08-2005, 01:39 AM
I gotta agree with you all - having a tuner forum is nice and logical.

I've never really been much of a tuner guy. My main theater system didn't even have a tuner until just last week. Because of all the high praises it recieved I picked up a nice silver Pioneer TX-8500II analog tuner to compliment my silver faced Krell pre-amp in the theater system. Love at first sight and listen. Best tuner I've owned - and it's 25 years old! :thmbsp:

My bedroom system has a nice Denon TU-550 digital tuner. Nothing fancy, easy to use for the wife. :)

My NAD 4020A tuner is retired to the garage. This was a decent $9.99 Goodwill find. :)

Negotiableterms
07-08-2005, 02:00 AM
Questions for some of the guys with the exotics

Negotiableterms - Out of all those dream tuners you own, which one do you wind up turning on the most?

You have to remember that I'm basically an expert at sitting in a chair and pushing buttons. The T-109V is in my main listening system, because it has a remote, and is great in every other respect.

If I have to get my fat ass out of the chair, the TU-919 is moded (by APS) and outperforms all the others, including the T-109V. Aesthetically, the SAE Mk VIB is my favorite, because of the way touching the tuning dial works to change the scope display from lissajous to tuning, and I love scopes and the old nixie tubes are cool as well. My KT-917 strikes me as the most fully realized design of the bunch, and I'm sending it to PunkerX for a complete upgrade. My hope is that it will replace the TU-919 at the top of my little heap.

My tastes are not purist in nature. I'm told the TU-X1 is a better tuner than anything I have, as is TIC's favorite L-02T. Both are so hideously ugly that I wouldn't own one. This is definitely not the correct audiophile view. If I said this over at TIC, I'd be flogged. Hmmm...that could happen here too!

pioneering
07-08-2005, 03:10 PM
I've got an Accuphase T-100, 101 and 109v, a Kenwood KT-8300, and a Sansui TU-X1. The T-109v is exceptional and the best FM I've ever heard (this is the actual unit used in the TIC shootout, but I have no knowledge of any special tweaks that this one had that others may not have received...as alluded by the TIC tester). A close second is the KT-8300, which was recently modded by APS. Following them are the T-100 and 101 respectively... the 100 having a fuller sound and not giving up anything in sensitivity. The TU-X1 offends my wife in size and complication, and surprisingly, is the least capable of all. I know this is not normal and I expect that I will have to get it serviced, but I am not in any hurry because I am enjoying the others.

One question... should I get the TU-X1 'serviced' or "modded"? My concern is that like with classic cars if you repaint it you compromise its "originality". I love the Sansui's heritage and place in audio history, but I would also like it to work as well as my modded KT-8300 and, if possible, as well as the monumental T-109v. What do you suggest?

DKak
07-08-2005, 04:22 PM
Dayyum some of you guys got kits to die for. Questions for some of the guys with the exotics

Dkak - That F-26 , is it as good as they say it is? And which tuner in your group do you like the best?

Negotiableterms - Out of all those dream tuners you own, which one do you wind up turning on the most?

Hey there Bob...
Whew, the F-26 is a real conundrum. It offers no user feedback as to how well it is tuning a station. I guess Pioneer was trying to show the world how it could do it all alone. No meters, just a 3-LED center tune indicator. You HAVE to use a scope with it, IMHO. But I still miss a tuning meter. And Wide/Narrow switching is done automatically, with no way to override it. Does it sound good? Well, yes, but not up to what my restored units sound like. I suspect if I restore it, it may be pretty darn good. But it still has no visual tuning indicators or wide/narrow switch. No lights, either...you need to be able to see it. I dunno. Because of all this, I almost never use it. So, my rating is Hmmmm... :scratch2:

I'm not sure I can answer what's best...yet. Many of my tuners are in various stages of upgrades and restoration.

I just worked on the three Pioneer TX series units, putting in new (and better) caps and diodes. There's one mod level left to go -- upgrading resistors, and the parts are on order. So far, they are tremendously better tuners now. :thmbsp:

My Sansui TU-9900 and Marantz 2130 are currently with Punker X for full-blown restoration and upgrades; he has the caps, diodes and opamps but he's waiting on resistors for them. I have the highest hopes for these two. :thmbsp:

The Sumo Charlie is really good after James Bongiorno's upgrades a few years back. It is eerily quiet now and measured very low in distortion. If I could change anything, I'd like to make it sound more 'real.' Quiet is good, but at the end of the day I still know I'm listening to a tuner. :)

The Heath units are awaiting work. Neither has been powered up in years. My AJ-12 sounded great to me the last time it was on...well over 20 years ago. They are cool looking -- that old "'57 Chevy chrome and leatherette" styling. :thmbsp:

The Magnum Etude is my least favorite. It's just a mess from minute one. I'd love it to be a great tuner, but I don't know anyone who thinks it has enough potential to sink any money into. :cry:

Like another said in an earlier post, yeah, there is something about a good tuner.....

DKak
07-08-2005, 04:31 PM
One question... should I get the TU-X1 'serviced' or "modded"? My concern is that like with classic cars if you repaint it you compromise its "originality". I love the Sansui's heritage and place in audio history, but I would also like it to work as well as my modded KT-8300 and, if possible, as well as the monumental T-109v. What do you suggest?

The 30 year old electrolytic caps may be nearing the end of their lives. Newer caps will restore its longevity as well as sound better -- cap technology has improved over the years. You can use the incredible Black Gate N series in many parts of the audio path and get a big improvement as well as enhanced reliability. And Panasonic & Nichicon make some great, small-sized psu caps. I'd also look at newer/better diodes like Schottkys or soft recovery and maybe even some new resistors in the audio path. New output opamps, too, if they used 'em.

To use your classic car analogy, you most likely don't have the original tires on them anymore, but reproductions of originals. You could basically do that with improved electronic parts, and have better tuners to boot. They won't look a bit different on the outside. Yep, not totally original, but safer to use and maybe even better!

Punker X
07-08-2005, 05:11 PM
One question... should I get the TU-X1 'serviced' or "modded"? My concern is that like with classic cars if you repaint it you compromise its "originality". I love the Sansui's heritage and place in audio history, but I would also like it to work as well as my modded KT-8300 and, if possible, as well as the monumental T-109v. What do you suggest?


Sell the TU-X1 and if you need a Sansui tuner and are mainly concerned about sound quality then get a TU-9900 or a TU-9500. Both respond extremely well to modifications. IMHO the TU-X1 is limited by its output chips with are a two stage amp incorporating the muting circuit. Near impossible to modify without loss of functionality. The TU-9900 is fairly easy to upgrade to a modern opamp and the TU-9500 uses discrete fets for the audio section. Replace the electrolytic caps with Blackgates and the mica's with a nice film and foil and you have an outstanding sounding tuner.

Never heard a T109v, but did a T-108 and wasn't that impressed with it. Just got a KT-8300 in for full modification so soon I will have an opinion on it. Its already been mod'ed by one of those other places, but the owner is complaining over MPX birdies.

X

devoid
07-08-2005, 10:03 PM
I didn't even know! We got a tuner thread! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now to contain myself.

Tunas I got, in no paticular order. I just wandered around and made a list.

Hitach something 4 gang that sucks

JVC T-X900B (?) but two F connector inputs

Sony 5130 (fav)

Nikko FAM-1200 (like)

Sony ST-A6B (keeper)

Onkyo T-4090 (underdog)

Dynaco FM-5 x3(hobby tweek)

Realistic TM-175B (cute)

Altec Lansing 306A (from school PA)

Dynatuner FM-1 (sonic grail?)

HK FM100 (minty)

EICO HFT-90 (?)

Onkyo T4087 (T9090 little bro)

Tandberg TPT3001 (may cause all other tuners and Pioneer silver to be sold for more of them)

Denon TU-850

Proton AT-300

mattybumpkin
07-08-2005, 11:17 PM
Can you give your opinion as to which is better (sound quality) or has the ability to be better (with mods), 9500 or 9900, or are they just different?

Regards,

"M"


PS - Love that shopping bag!

Punker X
07-09-2005, 05:31 AM
M

I think the 9900, 9500, 717/9 and 919 all sound very similar.

Sort comes down to styling and features. The 9500, and xx9's have discrete outputs, today's opamps are very good, but I still like thinks nice and simple. To me their down fall sound wise are the ceramic filters. I like the sound of a LC IF section better than that of ceramic filters.

That's why I would give the 9900 a slight lead over of the others in sound even though it doesn't have a discrete outputs. However, I think its quitting ability isn't up to the others. They tried some cross between a PLL and ratio detector in the MPX section. I also don't think the low pass filters were up to the job and they had to put a second pair in even then the quitting is very good. The 9900 also gets the nod on styling, just plain one of the best looking tuners ever made.

The 9500 has a weird size, is low and wide compared to standard size. It doesn't have two IF paths so your stuck with what filters are installed in it. Its a much simpler tuner than the others and has about 1/2 the coupling caps. Its quitting is better than the 9900 and has damn near as good sounding. About 1/3 of the price.

I've had 1 9500 come through here compared to 5 9900's. If I spent more time with a 9500 it might move ahead of the 9900. At the time I had the 9500 here I didn't have a 9900 to directly compare it to either.

Back to the TU-X1, there was one other think I don't like about it that I didn't mention in the previous post. The front-end has a 300 ohm input and the 75 ohm F connector has to go through a bulan. So twin lead 300 ohm wire would be the best antenna wire for it. When I get some time I want to try and modify mine to try and eliminate the bulan and directly wire the F connector to the front-end.

X

dmax99
07-09-2005, 11:14 AM
Just picked up a Denon TU-460 at a garage sale.Kinda low brow model ,but it pulls stations decently and sounds okay to boot.All for the lowlow price of 5.00. David

L'wood
07-09-2005, 01:24 PM
Glad to see 'tuners' get a special space...so here's what's currently on the shelves...

McIntosh MR 74
Sansui TU-717
Sansui TU-719
Sansui TU-D99X (oops, sold that one)
Sansui TU-S9
Pioneer F-99X
Yamaha T-1
Sony ST-S730ES
Sony ST-5150
Sony ST-5130...that's all I can remember off the top of my head

What's the best? Well, The McIntosh probably takes the cake; but the Sony 730Es isn't far behind, and neither is the Sansui TU-S9 since it's been recently aligned and had the filters and op-amps replaced. The 717 and 719 sound the best with my Sansui AU-717 integrated amp, not surprisingly.

And the sleeper? The 99FX and the Sony ST-5150, inexpensive and they sound very good.

WhiteSE
07-09-2005, 01:26 PM
So many tuners you guys have...everyone knows that all you need is a McIntosh MR-71...:-)

axel
07-09-2005, 01:47 PM
devoid,

I see you have a Denon TU-850 - so do I :wave:

Please register it on TVK if you wish: http://www.thevintageknob.org/registers/registers-main.html

I also see that your 2 Sonys are respectively favorite (5150) and keeper (A6B) which warms my Sony fan heart :)

Yamaha B-2
07-10-2005, 07:27 AM
Current crop:
Sony ST-J75 (X3)
Yamaha CT-1010 (X2)
Denon TU-750S
Sony ST-550ES
Luxman TP-117

Gone but not forgotten:
Denon TU-1500RD
Luxman T-117
McIntosh MR-78

Next up:
Yamaha T-2
Yamaha CT-7000

jblmar
07-10-2005, 01:26 PM
Marantz 2130. Fantastic! The only problem is that there's nothing to listen to except a great Jazz station. WBGO. The New York area is terrible for FM.
Ron

Texas42
07-10-2005, 01:46 PM
I have four tuners currently in rotation: A Carver TX-11B, a Yamaha T-1 (excellent, often overlooked tuner!); a Pioneer TX-8100, and an Optonica ST-3535. I doubt I'll ever part with the Yammie or Carver (one analog, one digital). They are both so smooth and solid....

juncers
07-10-2005, 02:06 PM
Jblmar,
I haven't lived in NYC in 25 years, but besides the jazz station, I recall 2 good classical stations ( WQXR and WNCN), a good public radio station (WBAI) and a decent prog rock/non- top 40 station ( WNEW). Are they all gone ??? If so, there goes my youth.:worried:

Ray

axel
07-10-2005, 02:19 PM
Hey - time for a froggie question which I've had on the tip on my tongue since about... 1985:

Why do all US stations' names start with a W?
And why those nearly unpronounceable names like WQXR or WBAI?

From where I stand, France, this is quite puzzling. :scratch2:

bully
07-10-2005, 02:47 PM
Radio stations EAST of the Mississippi River have call signs that begin with W. Those WEST of the Mississippi River begin with K.
Of course, there are some exceptions. That also goes for television stations.
I guess it was the thing to do when radio was first developed.

Mike Gibson
07-10-2005, 03:14 PM
I have a Kenwood KT 5000 that's resting and a MX 114 and an Onkyo T-4000 I listen to. The little Onkyo is "BPC" but that little sucker sounds great and pulls in the cheezy stations we have out here in the Styx. I'm sure the MX 114 needs some work to sound it's best.

whell
07-10-2005, 09:03 PM
I still have the Marantz 115 I bought from you, Grump. I also have a Pioneer TX-9500 that Punker overhauled, and it sounds great.

Being somewhat of a tuner nut I have more then my fair share. A couple of them are

Accuphase T101
Sansui TU-X1
MD90

What to you folks have and use ?

Grumpy

juncers
07-12-2005, 02:44 AM
Hi Axel,
Those W and K xxx monikers aren't names, but station call letters and must be unique within a broadcast area ( defined by the FCC). You can advertise yourself as WXXX- Home of classic rock, but the call letters are your identifier. They are almost always unpronouncable, so you just say the letters. I don't know the history of why this was adopted though.

Ray

Lefty
07-12-2005, 10:12 AM
Hey - time for a froggie question which I've had on the tip on my tongue since about... 1985:

Why do all US stations' names start with a W?
And why those nearly unpronounceable names like WQXR or WBAI?

From where I stand, France, this is quite puzzling. :scratch2:

As best I recall it is based on international ITU aggreement where countries are assigned first letter for call signs. W,K,N are US for sure but there may be other letters assigned to US.

Lefty WA6TKD

jblmar
07-12-2005, 11:55 AM
Hi juncers,
The only stations left that I know of are, WQXR and WBAI. I'm not sure of WNCN. WNEW went off the air about 2 years ago. The best part of that station in the late 70s was Scott Muni playing "British Things." The floor would shake when he spoke. He passed away a few months ago. Anyway, FM is a shadow of what it was 25 years ago.
Ron

DKak
07-12-2005, 12:22 PM
About the call letter thing...

I knew about the W and K call letters being east or west of the Mississippi, but nothing more. Intrigued, I searched on the term "history of radio station call letters" using Hotbot/Ask Jeeves. There were a lot of hits, but here are a few of interest:

http://www.oldradio.com/current/bc_k&w.htm
http://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm
http://experts.about.com/q/3163/2907269.htm
http://earlyradiohistory.us/1913call.htm

And another by one of my favorite truth and information seekers, Cecil Adams:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010504.html

Hope this helps!

harmkard330guy
07-12-2005, 12:44 PM
My dad has a sae two t3u thats hooked up to a sae two cassett deck. That is hooked up to a nad 3150 amp that is hooked up to another and its a 2150. That is hooked up to a technics cd player a yamaha yp-d8 tt with a 200 dollar needle with two jbl l112s. Can any one tell me what the yamaha tt is worth it looks like its made of all wood.

bolly
07-12-2005, 12:52 PM
YAMAHA TBL, YP-D8
Description:
Manufacture Years: 1978 - 1980
Additional Information:
Retail
MSRP: $440.00
USED: $96.00

juncers
07-12-2005, 01:25 PM
Ron,
I remember Scott and his woofer/floorboard shattering voice!! Also Alison Steele- the night bird. At 15 years old, we'd hang on her every word ( which in retrospect was probably pretentious drivel). Anyway- thanks for the trip down memory lane!

Best regards,
Ray

jblmar
07-12-2005, 02:12 PM
You're welcome Ray. Who cared what Alison Steele had to say. It was how she said it. At 15, that's all that mattered.

nailer
07-13-2005, 02:21 PM
Listed in use preference.

Day Sequerra Studio
Sansui TU-9900
Magnum Dynalab MD-108 (major disappointment)
Kenwood KT-8300

Plan on having Sansui and Kenwood modified.

Looking to add a SAE Mark Six to the collection next.

SLLOYSS
07-13-2005, 09:09 PM
I Have Five
Carver Tx 11

Last Week At One Yard Sale
Sony 5130
2 Dyna Fm 3 Tuners (listening To As I Type)
Eico Hft-90 (no Cover)

Steve

Negotiableterms
07-13-2005, 11:12 PM
Listed in use preference.
Day Sequerra Studio
Sansui TU-9900
Magnum Dynalab MD-108 (major disappointment)
Kenwood KT-8300
Plan on having Sansui and Kenwood modified.
Looking to ad a SAE Mark Six to the collection next.

Nailer- Can you tell me why you chose the Studio over the other D-S models, and anything at all about the differences? Thanks!

nailer
07-14-2005, 02:35 AM
Negotiableterms,

To the best of my recollection Day Sequerra initially came out with 2 tuners in the late 80s. The Panalizer, which I believe is the one you are looking for, was an exact copy of the Sequerra. It had the original's numerous boards and their corresponding wiring harnesses, an opamp driven audio stage, and a myriad of oscillocope functions. The Studio was an "update" of the original Sequerra having one main circiut board, a discrete audio stage, and limited scope functions. Their MSRPs were $14,000 and $3,800 respectively. Stereophile reveiwed both and the Studio came out on top sonically.

The Studio morphed into the Reference and the price rose to at least $5,400. At this point the Studio name was reintroduced as a Reference w/o a scope.

Also, how about BAT as your 90's system? You could go amp (ss or tube), preamp, phono stage, and CD player. Cosmetically they would match up well with your Day Sequerra. I've had a VK-60 for 6 years (the MIG triode output tubes are too cool) and played with a VK-3 for a few weeks, and feel conformtable saying that BAT makes nice sounding stuff.

SansuiFlorida
07-14-2005, 03:01 PM
Well, tuners got me back into the vintage audio arena. Like most, I have quite a few. TU-9900 is my favorite.

Sansui
TU-9900 (X2) :banana:
TU-919
TU-717 (X2)

Yamaha
TX-1000 (X2)
TX-930 (X2)
TX-900 (X2)
T-85
T-80

Kenwood
KT-9900

Pioneer
TX-9800

Mitsubushi
DA-F20

Heathkit
AJ-15? forgot exact model

Recovering from Hurricane Dennis. Lost an old favorite antenna: The Channel Master Stereo Probe 9. It was a good one. I'll be using a radio shack yagi until I can upgrade to antennaperformance model.

Best to All :)

Jay Gowens
07-14-2005, 06:31 PM
'Scuse me Gentlemen, but I'm just wonderin' what is the real purpose of a tuner in today's Systems? I certainly understand collecting for nastalgias sake, but in today's market, do die hard audiophiles (whose main objective is the best fidelity possible), really go after tuners? Let's face it....Terestrial FM sucks, most stations don't offer enough fidelity in their signals to justify purchase of a tuner, (especially not a High-end one), most of the kids are into MP3, car Stereo Buffs want XM or Sirius. Maybe the tuner as we know it has seen it's best days. Anybody else agree????

L'wood
07-14-2005, 06:37 PM
S_F,

Do you really need two 9900's!!?? I'd be happy to take one off your hands...maybe you'd like a 719 and it's nice digital display? If you're ever in the mood, let me know, as it would look real nice next to my McIntosh MR 74.

L'wood

Micropassatman
07-14-2005, 06:38 PM
Terrestrial broadcasts are still FREE. Tuners afford us a connection to the etherial for pennies -a-month. It is a romantic medium, but it can offer us pleasure nonetheless.

hpsenicka
07-14-2005, 07:43 PM
'Scuse me Gentlemen, but I'm just wonderin' what is the real purpose of a tuner in today's Systems? I certainly understand collecting for nastalgias sake, but in today's market, do die hard audiophiles (whose main objective is the best fidelity possible), really go after tuners? Let's face it....Terestrial FM sucks, most stations don't offer enough fidelity in their signals to justify purchase of a tuner, (especially not a High-end one), most of the kids are into MP3, car Stereo Buffs want XM or Sirius. Maybe the tuner as we know it has seen it's best days. Anybody else agree????

From an audiophile purist perspective you may have a point. FM can not match LPs or CDs for sheer audio quality....but I would argue that it can be as good as or better than MP3s in some cases.

Also, I disagree that FM is dead. There is still lots of good FM content on public radio that offers something differrent, and the quality is generally as good as or better than streaming audio from the internet. I am regularly exposed to new recordings and new artists via FM radio.

Personally, my FM tuners probably get more hours of usage than all of my other sources combined. I won't be pulling the plug anytime soon... in fact I am considering upgrading my antenna and recapping and modding my KT-8300.

juncers
07-15-2005, 02:25 AM
Hpsenicka,
Couldn't agree more. I do 90% of my listening by tuner. I think broadcast quality/programme material determines how important the tuner is in your system. I've been a
tuner collector/enthusiast since moving to London. The BBC live broadcasts pulled in by a top notch tuner IMO is far better than CD or any other medium I've heard. There are exceptional CD's and LP's, but the average CD/LP is no match for a first class live broadcast.

Ray

axel
07-15-2005, 02:58 AM
The BBC live broadcasts pulled in by a top notch tuner IMO is far better than CD or any other medium I've heard. There are exceptional CD's and LP's, but the average CD/LP is no match for a first class live broadcast.
Ray

Ditto about the french public stations. And it is FREE :yes:

All,
thanks for the answers regarding WKN and US radio acronyms :thmbsp:

Thumpy
07-16-2005, 04:26 PM
Some of my tuners -

Akai AT-V04
Accuphase T-100
Kenwood KT-8300
Sansui TU-S7
Realistic TM-1001
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Pioneer TX-9800
Pioneer F-9
SAE Two T14

The SAE has a pretty high GAF, so it gets to be in the living room (not too big, presets and a built-in clock). The rest are in my dungeon - with me.

Negotiableterms
07-17-2005, 10:20 PM
Stereophile reveiwed both and the Studio came out on top sonically. The Studio morphed into the Reference and the price rose to at least $5,400. At this point the Studio name was reintroduced as a Reference w/o a scope.

Nailer-

Thanks!! I've been told the same thing by others, with the addition that the only good-sounding panalyzers are the Reference Panalyzer from 97 and the Broadcast Standard from 98, allegedly because they both arise from the Studio/Reference instead of from the previous design. I've never found anyone who can tell me what the differences between those two are, and opinions have gone both ways on which is better. So far, it's all academic, since I've never seen either for sale. :no:

nailer
07-23-2005, 12:00 AM
Negotiableterms,

I cannot recall ever seeing a Day Sequerra Panalyzer for sale, and I've been surfing the used audio market (Anyone else miss Audio Mart?) for longer than I care to admit. Considering the panalyzer's price I'd guess not too many were made.

Yamaha B-2
07-23-2005, 06:50 AM
Nailer-
Thanks!! I've been told the same thing by others, with the addition that the only good-sounding panalyzers are the Reference Panalyzer from 97 and the Broadcast Standard from 98, allegedly because they both arise from the Studio/Reference instead of from the previous design. I've never found anyone who can tell me what the differences between those two are, and opinions have gone both ways on which is better. So far, it's all academic, since I've never seen either for sale. :no:Ask your question here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/. Several people will know the answer. You could also ask if anyone wants to sell one, as there will be several folks on this forum who own one. And keep your eye on Audiogon. You can even list a 'wanted' ad for no cost.

Negotiableterms
07-23-2005, 01:47 PM
Ask your question here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/. Several people will know the answer. You could also ask if anyone wants to sell one, as there will be several folks on this forum who own one. And keep your eye on Audiogon. You can even list a 'wanted' ad for no cost.

Thanks! I'll ask on yahoo. I've had a wanted ad going on Audiogon for a long time, with no responses at all. Right now, there's a guy on eBay who appears to be trying to foist an FM Reference off as a Panalyzer. So far, he's declined to answer directly which model it is. I've been hunting for about two years, so I'm hoping you're right about the yahoo forum. Thanks again!

Dale A B
07-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Sansui Quartz PLL Sythesizer Tuner T-1010
(Bought new in 1989 for about $40)

Pioneer TX-6500 II
(Bought used in 2004 for $2)

Sanyo Plus T-55 (has a date code of 120279)
(Bought used in 2005 for $2.50)

Radio occupies less than 5% of my listening, which mostly occurs on the road.

NP - Dream Theater - Live @ Budokan DVD

Toasted Almond
07-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Carver TX-11a for a long time now. Bought new around 1990.

KLH Model 18

There's a Pioneer TX-6500 or 6500II around here someplace too.

I had a SUMO "Charlie" for awhile and thought it was unremarkable. A DBX that I had was pretty good, along with the Dynaco FM-3 and 5's (I had a few). I had a Sansui TU-999 but Grumpy has it now. Had the Pioneer TX-95 and 9800's too but I sold those off. Those were pretty nice.

I never listen to the radio at home.

Jace
08-05-2005, 09:46 AM
Tu-717

whell
08-05-2005, 11:27 AM
From an audiophile purist perspective you may have a point. FM can not match LPs or CDs for sheer audio quality....but I would argue that it can be as good as or better than MP3s in some cases.

Also, I disagree that FM is dead. There is still lots of good FM content on public radio that offers something differrent, and the quality is generally as good as or better than streaming audio from the internet. I am regularly exposed to new recordings and new artists via FM radio.

Personally, my FM tuners probably get more hours of usage than all of my other sources combined. I won't be pulling the plug anytime soon... in fact I am considering upgrading my antenna and recapping and modding my KT-8300.

Very signal and equipment dependent, but a good, strong, uncompressed FM signal reproduced on a well designed FM tuner can rival or exceed the sound quality of a CD. I was listening to a public radio jazz broadcast last night, and was stunned by the quality of the sound.

noigarret
08-05-2005, 08:59 PM
I have a Yamaha CT-810 I love the sound of, can someone explain the difference between 75ohm balanced, and 300ohm balanced? Also does a dolby fm adapter help? I must admit I like listening to old rock classics on the tuner.

Aage
08-05-2005, 10:22 PM
75 ohm is for wire as used in cable TV installations now, 300 ohm is the flat thin wire that most FM dipoles antennae uses. You know, the one that came with the receiver new, just a piece of wire shaped like a T with two spade lug connectors.

A Dolby FM adapter won't make the intended difference since FM never really adopted it. it's a dead format now not used at all.

jpchleapas
08-07-2005, 02:45 AM
It does get addictive with tuners..
Fusher FM-1000 tube tuner
McIntosh MR-65B
McIntosh MR-77
Scott LT-110
Sherwood S-3000V
Dyna FM-3
Yamaha CT-800

billinkansas
08-14-2005, 12:03 AM
Tuna at CasaBildo:

Hitachi FT-440 :thmbsp:, gets stations that I didn't know were there

Sansui TU-717 :thmbsp:, needs work though

Sansui T-60 :thmbsp: :thmbsp: Undisputed king of cheapie tuners, I think

Scott LT-112B :scratch2:, needs lot of work, not sure about it

Fisher FM-50B :thmbsp: :yes: very sweet

Toshiba ST-335 :thumbsdn: Undisputed POS

Also Receivers:
Fisher 500C (2)

Realistic STA-2280

DanTana
08-30-2005, 11:53 AM
Just scored a JVC FX-1100BK recently, thankfully a very underrated tuner. Great highs, good midrange, decent bass, very nice soundstage. Modding this is making it better and better.

bob adams
08-30-2005, 07:13 PM
Got a picture?

DanTana
08-30-2005, 09:00 PM
I'll post one soon, just finished putting some new opamps in it tonight.

bea1188
08-31-2005, 11:31 AM
i recently replaced an old sherwood s-8000 receiver with a mcintosh ma-230 integrated amp and a dynaco fm-3 tuner. the fm-3 sounds pretty good. or is it the amplifier?

lorne
08-31-2005, 07:15 PM
Dynaco FM-3 (x2) : Ony one working and it needs a new PS cap.

Kenwood KT-880F

Pioneer TX-6300 : All fresh caps, new power supply tranny and diodes.

Pioneer TX-8800 II (x2): Slowly getting the same treament as above

Sony ST-5150D
____________________
Except for the Dynacos, all of these are Japanese domestic models that are calibrated for the Japanese FM bandwidth. One of the Dynacos has been very slightly altered under the board in order to aquire the Japanese bandwidth. This works well in practice except for the tuning eye not closing all the way, despite accurate alignment. And the dial no longer represents the received signal frequency ... er, modulation? — Lorne

doug s.
09-13-2005, 03:14 PM
hi all,

dantana, where'd ya get that jvc from? :lmao:

ok, besides the four i have f/s that y'all have awreddy heard about, i have a few more. :naughty: prolly need to sell s'more, hmmm...

in no particular order:
revox b261 (equal to the b760, which i sold)
hitachi ht-8000
stephen sank-modded hk citation 18
mike williams-modded hk citation 18 (yust showed up TODAY! :yes: )
stephen sank-modded mcintosh mr65b
onix bwd-1 w/soap-2 power supply (my 1st *real* tuna)
aiwa 9700
roksan caspian
mitsubishi da-f20
fisher m90-r
sherwood s-3000-III
stromberg-carlson sr-445
leak troughline-III
joseph chow-modded accuphase t109
denon tu-850 (still in box)
sony st-a6b (still in box)
draco micro cpu100 - (still in box)

decoders:
fisher mpx100
modded studio-12
one thing audio (on the way)

doug s., so many tunas, so little time. :D

Yamaha B-2
09-13-2005, 03:19 PM
ohmygawd.....doug has moved over from the FMTunerForum.

Welcome aboard. Am sure you will help provide much good info for all of us. BTW, how much do you want for the Sony ST-A6B?

Just picked up that CT-1010 that bob adams was nice enough to post for us in his eBay thread. Thanks for the heads-up. :thmbsp:

DanTana
09-13-2005, 06:27 PM
Hey Doug, Welcome aboard!!

Well some guy sold me that JVC, who bought it from someone else, who I didn't know until recently...lol. Great tuners Doug...very nice collection. Too bad you have to sell those others.

smollett5
09-13-2005, 06:59 PM
My stand alones:

MR 67 (tube - wonderful sound, best of all I have)
MR 7082 (great solid state all rounder)
Fisher TFM-300 (tube front end, the Golden Synchrode - one 6HA5 and two 6CW4 nuvistors - transistors elsewhere) (Good sound - not as good as the McIntoshes, and not as selective as the 250-T)
Pioneer TX-130 (adequate garage system tuner with a Pioneer SA-730 integrated)

Receivers (bought with quality radio reception as a priority):

Fisher 500-C (tube - beats everything but the 67 in sound quality, and doesn't miss that high standard by much)
Fisher 500-B (tube - superior sound, wonderful tuning eye set-up - just not quite as good as the 67, 7082, or 500-C, especially in sensitivity)
Fisher 250T (solid state, not great sound, but surprisingly superior selectivity - the best of all I've got)
MAC 1700 (tube - very, very good sound - but not as good as the 67 or the 500-C, probably a tad better than the 500-B)
MAC 1900 (great ss tuner in all respects - rock stable and dependable)
Kenwood KR-720 (two of them - very good sound and sensitivity)
Pioneer SX -980 (fine tuner, not bad for DXing, good AM section, as well)
Pioneer SX-990 (pretty good tuner, drifts a bit early on)
Pioneer SX-535 (good tuner for a budget receiver)
Sansui 331 (good tuner for a real budget receiver)

smollett5
09-13-2005, 07:06 PM
BEA1188,

Dollars to donuts, you probably are hearing the MA 230. The Dyna FM-3 is not a bad tube tuner, but not really a great one, either. If your MA 230 has the right tube complement and the other components are operating within spec, you are probably hearing that unit's superior sonics.

lorne
09-15-2005, 07:40 AM
Smollett5 wrote:
The Dyna FM-3 is not a bad tube tuner, but not really a great one, either

Maybe this should be on a new thread??

I had a tube professional rework an FM-3 down to even redoing the factory presets. Any part that kept its spec was retained. A lot of attention was paid to alignment and heat management.

This unit follows on the heels of yet another FM-3 (factory wired) I used for over 20 years in Canada. So it goes that I think I have a little experience with FM-3's. I have used them in various audio systems. Still, I am not any expert. (Radio is a difficult subject for me.) Nevertheless, there are some things I really love about this tuner. It has a charm that must have caused Mr. van Alstine to proclaim it as one pre-emminent tuner — and he is not a frivilous audiophile.

All this having been said, currently my stand-in for the FM-3 is an apparently modest three gang, Japanese domestic tuner. About three years ago, I completely restuffed the board with standard grade caps, some Mylar film caps where size permitted, as well as some modern transistors. There was an astonishing transformation in sound. Overall, my impression is that this early seventies, solid state PPL tuner just delivers more music, albeit on a strong and nearby signal — but then the FM-3 was never a DX'er anyway.

The tuner in question is a Pioneer TX-6300. On my last search 2 years ago, it was mentioned only once on a Japanese site which referred to it merely as a once 'popular' tuner. Mine is the only one I have seen.

There it is for what it is worth, except to say that the TX-6300 delivers clarity, a winning tone and a convincing presence. I also have a Pioneer TX-8800II which promises even more whenever I get around to completing the parts change-out.

If this stimulates any comment, I will launch a new thread and repost this. Anyway, the TX-6300 is the tuna I'm using these days. Cheers — Lorne

shelby1420
09-15-2005, 09:34 AM
Sansui TU 717-719-919, still want to get my hands on the TU 9900 and send it off to Punker.....................

TommyC
09-16-2005, 06:02 PM
Just one for now: Pioneer TX-6500II

Trying to decide if it is worth shipping off to PunkerX for some restoration... :scratch2:

doug s.
09-16-2005, 06:51 PM
From an audiophile purist perspective you may have a point. FM can not match LPs or CDs for sheer audio quality....but I would argue that it can be as good as or better than MP3s in some cases.

Also, I disagree that FM is dead. There is still lots of good FM content on public radio that offers something differrent, and the quality is generally as good as or better than streaming audio from the internet. I am regularly exposed to new recordings and new artists via FM radio.

Personally, my FM tuners probably get more hours of usage than all of my other sources combined. I won't be pulling the plug anytime soon... in fact I am considering upgrading my antenna and recapping and modding my KT-8300.
fm *can* match lp/cd playback, if you have a quality signal & a quality broadcast. most of my home listening is to fm. most of my car listening is to the engine. :)

doug s.

Deadear
09-16-2005, 07:03 PM
Tuners are as follows .Sanyo FMT 611K, Nec AUT-7300E, Yamaha T2, Technics ST-K50, JVC FX-33, Sansui T-60 x 2, Sansui T1000, Pioneer TX-6800, Sony ST-J55, Akai AT-K03, Pioneer TX-960, and a Phillips 185 .

Yamaha B-2
09-16-2005, 07:08 PM
Just one for now: Pioneer TX-6500II
Trying to decide if it is worth shipping off to PunkerX for some restoration... :scratch2:Here's what the TIC http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html has to say about it:
Pioneer TX-6500II (1977, $200)
At the low end of Pioneer's TX-5500/6500/7500/8500/9500 series, these tuners all had 3 gangs and 2 ceramic filters. With so many better Pioneers available inexpensively on eBay, we can't see why anyone would want to pay more than $15-20 for any of the three, and they do often sell in that range, but up to $45-60 is possible. Strangely, a TX-6500II sold for $67 in 7/03, and a couple of days later a (vastly superior) TX-9100 sold for $66! An eBay novice paid $76 for a bottom-of-the-line TX-5500II in 9/02, albeit in nice condition and with a cabinet. And here's the sad story of two clueless eBay newbies who ran up the price of an ordinary TX-6500II from $3.00 to $89 in 5/04: They were apparently befuddled by a very creative seller who said, “I have never seen a vintage tuner that had manual sliding (adjustable) controllers for stations! The dealer informed me that this is extremely rare and makes this tuner highly sought after for high-end collectors!” Actually, the TX-7500II, 8500II and 9500II also have the little sliders, but none of us at TIC ever thought they were even worth mentioning, let alone something that would cause a tuner to be “sought after.” Who knew? [EF]

Check out the TIC. Ton of tuna info there. :thmbsp:

doug s.
09-16-2005, 07:14 PM
Tuners are as follows .Sanyo FMT 611K, Nec AUT-7300E, Yamaha T2, Technics ST-K50, JVC FX-33, Sansui T-60 x 2, Sansui T1000, Pioneer TX-6800, Sony ST-J55, Akai AT-K03, Pioneer TX-960, and a Phillips 185 .
let me guess - the philips 185 & the yamaha t2 are your best sounding tunas, depending on reception conditions?

doug s.

Deadear
09-16-2005, 07:43 PM
You are very close , the T2 is the best that I have but the Sanyo FMT 611K is close to the 185 and also has variable output .The Sony ST-J55 and the Akai AT-K03 are also very good as well .

TommyC
09-16-2005, 08:23 PM
Here's what the TIC http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html has to say about it:
Pioneer TX-6500II (1977, $200)
At the low end of Pioneer's TX-5500/6500/7500/8500/9500 series, these tuners all had 3 gangs and 2 ceramic filters. With so many better Pioneers available inexpensively on eBay, we can't see why anyone would want to pay more than $15-20 for any of the three, and they do often sell in that range, but up to $45-60 is possible. Strangely, a TX-6500II sold for $67 in 7/03, and a couple of days later a (vastly superior) TX-9100 sold for $66! An eBay novice paid $76 for a bottom-of-the-line TX-5500II in 9/02, albeit in nice condition and with a cabinet. And here's the sad story of two clueless eBay newbies who ran up the price of an ordinary TX-6500II from $3.00 to $89 in 5/04: They were apparently befuddled by a very creative seller who said, “I have never seen a vintage tuner that had manual sliding (adjustable) controllers for stations! The dealer informed me that this is extremely rare and makes this tuner highly sought after for high-end collectors!” Actually, the TX-7500II, 8500II and 9500II also have the little sliders, but none of us at TIC ever thought they were even worth mentioning, let alone something that would cause a tuner to be “sought after.” Who knew? [EF]

Check out the TIC. Ton of tuna info there. :thmbsp:

Well, That's not real encouraging! Oh well, $28.00 is not a big investment so I am not to bummed.

lorne
09-17-2005, 01:41 AM
TommyC: No, I don't think that you should be bummed at all. See my comments in the other thread where you posted info on your Pioneer gear.
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24190&goto=newpost

The base models can provide very nice sound. The higher end models provide more complicated circuits which enhance reception in less than ideal circumstances. If your 6500II works well in your area, then you are off to a good start. — Lorne

bob adams
09-17-2005, 04:51 PM
Deadear,
You have quite a collection. How do you like the NEC AUT-7300E? Does it look anything like this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fine-70s-Tuner-Curtis-Mathes-AUT-8300E_W0QQitemZ5803610935QQcategoryZ3282QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Deadear
09-17-2005, 05:01 PM
bob adams , yes is very similar except where the Curtis has station frequency read out the Nec has tunning and signal led indicators , works well and really locks on stations when they are properly tunned .

bolly
10-30-2005, 04:59 PM
Marantz 2130
Dynaco FM-3

timoteus
10-30-2005, 11:34 PM
Negotiableterms & nailer, is this the panalizer model you guys are looking for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-SEQUERRA-MODEL-1-FM-TUNER-with-PANALIZER_W0QQitemZ5824920260QQcategoryZ73382QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

bdl955
01-22-2006, 05:39 PM
New to AK, but clearly in need of a twelve step program regarding tuners. Those that I plan on hanging on to for now are as follows:

Sansui TU-9900 (APS mod)
Accuphase T-101 (APS mod)
Fisher FM-100 (tube, mono, mint)
Sherwood S-3000V (needs work)
Sherwood S-3000III (minty, nice)
Fisher KM-60 (needs work)
Sony ST-5000FW (needs work)
Sansui TU-777 (coming)

Favorites? Too soon to tell, but top 3 are definitely in the hunt.

New guy,

Bryan

Yamaha B-2
01-22-2006, 05:53 PM
Welcome to AK tunaland bdl955!! This is the home of "too many tuners is not nearly enough". Looks like you'll fit right in. :D

Texas42
01-22-2006, 06:42 PM
What, no Yamaha CT-810 or Optonica ST-3535? Wow, I just happen to have both for sale <evil grin>



New to AK, but clearly in need of a twelve step program regarding tuners. Those that I plan on hanging on to for now are as follows:

Sansui TU-9900 (APS mod)
Accuphase T-101 (APS mod)
Fisher FM-100 (tube, mono, mint)
Sherwood S-3000V (needs work)
Sherwood S-3000III (minty, nice)
Fisher KM-60 (needs work)
Sony ST-5000FW (needs work)
Sansui TU-777 (coming)

Favorites? Too soon to tell, but top 3 are definitely in the hunt.

New guy,

Bryan

doug s.
01-23-2006, 03:55 PM
Welcome to AK tunaland bdl955!! This is the home of "too many tuners is not nearly enough". Looks like you'll fit right in. :D
b-2, this one is yust for you! ;)
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misctunr&1143224379

doug s.

Yamaha B-2
01-23-2006, 05:13 PM
Thanks for keeping my best interests at the forefront of your thinking, doug. :D But just spent all my pennies on a wonderful Sony PS-8750 TT http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyvault/PS8750/PS8750.html. If can't have one type of analog, then must have the other.

doug s.
01-23-2006, 07:03 PM
What, no Yamaha CT-810 or Optonica ST-3535? Wow, I just happen to have both for sale <evil grin>
hmmm.... i have tunas f/s too:

leak trough line 3
accuphase t109 (modded)
fisher fm90r
denon tu-850

but, i ran an ad, like you're supposed to do around here:

http://audiokarma.org/ads/showproduct.php?product=1097&sort=1&cat=11&page=1

go ahead, be a sport - chip in $2 & run an ad! ;)

doug s.

doug s.
01-23-2006, 07:07 PM
Thanks for keeping my best interests at the forefront of your thinking, doug. :D But just spent all my pennies on a wonderful Sony PS-8750 TT http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyvault/PS8750/PS8750.html. If can't have one type of analog, then must have the other.
hi b-2, that looks cool. to be honest, the only sony decks i have been curious about are the biotracers - ever try one of these?

http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyvault/PSX800/PSX800.html

doug s.

Yamaha B-2
01-23-2006, 07:12 PM
Not much of a linear arm fan. The next two Biotracers below the 800 are conventional pivoting arms with similar functions. Couple of AKers have them and report excellent results. Me, I'll take the sapphire bearings in the PUA1600 arm. Once I get it here safely I'll start thinking T-2.

Danamc
01-23-2006, 07:32 PM
Seems we've done this post before. Guess it must've been lost when the server crashed. :sigh: Anyway here goes (current tuners in the stable):

Kenwood KT-917
Kenwood KT-8300
Kenwood L-07T II
Kenwood 600T
Sansui TU-919 (2)
Sansui TU-X1
Sansui TU-9900
McIntosh MR-80
Marantz 150
Yamaha T-2 (2)
Yamaha CT-7000
Audiolab 8000T
Accuphase T-100
Tandberg 3001A
Phillips 6731
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Nikko Gamma V

Pathetic, Huh?

riffer
01-23-2006, 08:00 PM
Sansui TU-217
Sansui TU-317
Sansui TU-717

I use the 317. I just like the sound better on the stations I listen to.

doug s.
01-23-2006, 08:00 PM
Not much of a linear arm fan. The next two Biotracers below the 800 are conventional pivoting arms with similar functions. Couple of AKers have them and report excellent results. Me, I'll take the sapphire bearings in the PUA1600 arm. Once I get it here safely I'll start thinking T-2.
b-2 - if you can bear to get a tuna w/o *yamaha* written on it, i can steer ya to a coupla that will sound better for the same $$$ or less. and no, i am *not* trying to sell ya any of mine! :)

doug s.

Yamaha B-2
01-23-2006, 08:30 PM
Blasphamy!!

Thanks, but I am going to hang in there for a T-2. I've tried several of the 'high-priced spreads' and have passed them along. The CT-1010 and ST-J75 sound better than any of the Denon, Luxman, McIntosh or other Sony tuners I've tried. And, I've got the ST-5000FW in the works. So I'll wait to see how it sounds before making any other moves.

My current crop consists of:
Yamaha CT-1010 (3)
Sony ST-J75 (4)
Sony ST-5000FW (with Punker X)
Sony ST-S550ES (on its way to Punker X)
Denon TU-750S
Luxman TP-117

Past units include:
Luxman T-117
Denon TU-1500RD
Sony ST-S730ES
Sony ST-5130
McIntosh MR-78
McIntosh MR-80
Yamaha CT-800
Yamaha CT-810
And others that I will recall later.

doug s.
01-23-2006, 08:35 PM
Blasphamy!!

Thanks, but I am going to hang in there for a T-2. I've tried several of the 'high-priced spreads' and have passed them along. The CT-1010 and ST-J75 sound better than any of the Denon, Luxman, McIntosh or other Sony tuners I've tried. And, I've got the ST-5000FW in the works. So I'll wait to see how it sounds before making any other moves.

My current crop consists of:
Yamaha CT-1010 (3)
Sony ST-J75 (4)
Sony ST-5000FW (with Punker X)
Sony ST-S550ES (on its way to Punker X)
Denon TU-750S
Luxman TP-117

Past unites include:
Luxman T-117
Denon TU-1500RD
Sony ST-S730ES
Sony ST-5130
McIntosh MR-78
McIntosh MR-80
Yamaha CT-800
Yamaha CT-810
And others that I will recall later.

not surprised about yer mac opinions - i had a refurb'd 77, which along w/the 74 are supposed to be mac's best s/s offerings. you need a refurb'd 65b/67/71 to get good sound out of a mac, imo.

re: denon tho, ya musta skipped the tu850 - really a killer tuna. :)

good luck w/the sony 5000fw; i haven't heard it, but it's supposed to be really nice, even stock, if a little on the full side of neutral.

best,

doug s.

ginovino
01-23-2006, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=Yamaha B-2]Blasphamy!!

Thanks, but I am going to hang in there for a T-2. I've tried several of the 'high-priced spreads' and have passed them along. The CT-1010 and ST-J75 sound better than any of the Denon, Luxman, McIntosh or other Sony tuners I've tried. And, I've got the ST-5000FW in the works. So I'll wait to see how it sounds before making any other moves.

My current crop consists of:
Yamaha CT-1010 (3)
Sony ST-J75 (4)

Couple of points: I had an ST-J75, since 1981.. I thought it was the cats Meow! In fact I rid myself of a Sansui Tu-9900 inorder to get one! How stupid was I back then? well guess what I have back in my stable next to my TU-919, Kenwood Kt917 & 600T?

It seemed to me the Sony had difficulty with very Deep bass signals, it appeared to cut-out(or overloaded) do you encounter that with any of yours?
Also had a problem with the Sony listening to itself on the IF signal 10.7mhz when I tuned the local Classical Station 96.3 mhz---10.7 x 9 = 96.3mhz!

The biotracers, aha! I had both the model 600 (regular arm) and the 800 Tangential arm. they tracked great. But the chasis sung to high heaven. Very poor isolation. Platforms were plastic. the table cogged as well with the direct drive motor. If your record collection was warped. these were great tables. MY Empire 598 outclassed them both, as did my AR-XA cheapy! So you can rest your weary brain about the wudda's cudda's shudda's and mayhav's. :tears:

Yamaha B-2
01-23-2006, 10:05 PM
As far as my ST-J75 tuners, I have two that work as designed without any alignment or tweaks. One that has the ills as described in the TIC and one that needs some TLC. My guess is that the two that aren't on top of it are simply in need of an alignment and going over. But, more tuners than time.

If you still have the Biotracer that cogs and want to pass it along I would be interested in it as a second deck. My guess is that it has a bad cap in the PS. My previous Sony PS-X7 worked perfectly from new in '79 until '95 when the mechanical bits that moved the arm finally wore out from 16 years of use and are no longer available. Still works in manual mode for a friend who uses it today. And, I am looking forward to my PS-8750 working just as well for even longer. Same for my ST-5000FW and STR-6200F once the alignment is complete on each of them.

lorne
01-24-2006, 07:08 AM
bd1955: When you say you plan to hang onto all those darlings — does that mean you own them, or are intending to acquire them some day? If the latter — good on ya! I envy your good fortune and good taste! 12 STEPS — I'd say just 12 'OUT' RCA plug sets to savour the various flavours — Lorne

doug s.
01-24-2006, 09:39 AM
[QUOTE=Yamaha B-2]...The biotracers, aha! I had both the model 600 (regular arm) and the 800 Tangential arm. they tracked great. But the chasis sung to high heaven. Very poor isolation. Platforms were plastic. the table cogged as well with the direct drive motor. If your record collection was warped. these were great tables. MY Empire 598 outclassed them both, as did my AR-XA cheapy! So you can rest your weary brain about the wudda's cudda's shudda's and mayhav's. :tears:
off-topic, i know. but, i am glad to hear that your 598 outclassed these - i have a 498 that i am fixing as a 2nd deck. :D these are supposed to be empire's best, as they combine the suspension of the later decks w/the heavier platter of the earlier non-suspended decks. i had a 298 & it *was* a great deck. i need to get my o-l rb250 on to this 498 & give it a go...

doug s.

240 Volts
01-24-2006, 04:14 PM
Only got two stand alone tuners (as opposed to receivers), both owned from new :
Trio (Kenwood) KT-815
Quad FM4

- Richard B.

Unda Maris
01-25-2006, 05:31 PM
Mine are: (in order of performance + sound)

Wega Lab Zero FM Tuner (3x) :D - The ultimate FM tuning machine, was never available in the US :no:, XXX-rare
SONY ST-A7 - Very sweet sounding tuner :music:
SONY ST-A6B - Very good overall performance (Small Lab Zero)
SONY ST-J88B - The best looking tuner of my collection
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Wega T4710 = SONY ST-4950 in black
SONY ST-5950SD (2x)
Sansui TU-X301i
Wega Modul 301T
Akai AT-2600
Mitsubishi DA-F10
SONY ST-3950

For one of my Lab Zero FM tuners take a look on:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/SONY/sonyesprit/wega/LABZERO.html#

Yamaha B-2
01-25-2006, 05:36 PM
Mirko - Very nice collection. :thmbsp: You might find these two websites interesting, if you are not currently aware of them.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/
http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html

fropiler
01-25-2006, 05:38 PM
Just one: Sansui TU-888.

influx
01-30-2006, 10:47 PM
Here's the list, short but sweet!
The 8300 is mostly finished; caps swapped out and burr browns added, shortened some of the signal path wiring and replaced the power cord (nothing fancy!). That's all for now. I swapped it in for the TU 9900 which has been doing yeoman's work for years and needs some well deserved time at the spa!

TU 9900
TU 717
TU 217
TU 317
Kenwood 8300
Kenwood 7500

draftingmonkey
01-31-2006, 08:30 PM
Have one or two. Mostly listen to my local college jazz/blues radio station, KSBR, Orange County, CA. They also broadcast online if anyone at a distance is interested.

Tube:
Sansui TU-70
Dyanco FM-3
Heathkit FM-3

SS:
Yamaha T-70
Yamaha T-520
Marantz 2100
Technics ST-7300

I think a lot of college stations have great formats. Back home in Spokane, WA, KEWU.

Snow
01-31-2006, 09:58 PM
only two stand alone tunas...

Kenwood KT-80 (now gathering dust)
Kenwood KT-8005 :thmbsp:

Thanks for the tuna forum, Grump!:yippy: What do you think of your KT-8005 ? I have a chance to buy one for $30.00. Is it worth messing with? THANKS JIM

ginovino
01-31-2006, 10:02 PM
here are a few words about this unit from our Friends at TIC:

Kenwood KT-8005 (1973, $390, photo) search eBay
The KT-8005, Kenwood's top-of-the-line tuner at the time (replaced after a year by the KT-8007), is a solidly built, 25-pound FM-AM tuner with a 5-gang, 2-FET RF front end. The KT-8005 uses two 4-stage filters, early ceramic type, in small metal boxes labeled “MuRata Ceramic Filter” on the top. Each of these filters is equivalent to two modern 3-pin ceramic filters. The specs in the owner's manual say 100dB alternate channel selectivity and it performs like it, with excellent selectivity as well as sensitivity. Instead of a chip, the MPX section consumes an entire board of discrete components. The audio output stage is also all discrete transistors, and many feel that the sound, when the tuner is properly serviced and aligned, is wonderful. Our panelist Jim, who admits to a prejudice against early transistor designs, says, “It was interesting to have this two-tone tuner on my shelf. I see the common heritage of the silver and bronze Kenwood tuners that came later.” This tuner, like any other 30-year-old piece of equipment, is unlikely to be in perfect shape as found on eBay, so anyone considering buying a KT-8005 should either check it out first or budget some money to have it aligned. But our panelist Bob adds, “The 8005 and 8007 seem a lot better [when in typical 'as found' condition] than the earlier KT-7000 and KT-7001, which seem to need parts/repair to work well, rather than just an alignment.” See the KT-8007 writeup below for more of Bob's comments on the KT-8005. The KT-8005 usually sells for $100-180 on eBay, with a recent low of $78 and an all-time high of $290 (with manuals), both in 9/04. [BF][JR]

Snow
01-31-2006, 10:17 PM
here are a few words about this unit from our Friends at TIC:

Kenwood KT-8005 (1973, $390, photo) search eBay
The KT-8005, Kenwood's top-of-the-line tuner at the time (replaced after a year by the KT-8007), is a solidly built, 25-pound FM-AM tuner with a 5-gang, 2-FET RF front end. The KT-8005 uses two 4-stage filters, early ceramic type, in small metal boxes labeled “MuRata Ceramic Filter” on the top. Each of these filters is equivalent to two modern 3-pin ceramic filters. The specs in the owner's manual say 100dB alternate channel selectivity and it performs like it, with excellent selectivity as well as sensitivity. Instead of a chip, the MPX section consumes an entire board of discrete components. The audio output stage is also all discrete transistors, and many feel that the sound, when the tuner is properly serviced and aligned, is wonderful. Our panelist Jim, who admits to a prejudice against early transistor designs, says, “It was interesting to have this two-tone tuner on my shelf. I see the common heritage of the silver and bronze Kenwood tuners that came later.” This tuner, like any other 30-year-old piece of equipment, is unlikely to be in perfect shape as found on eBay, so anyone considering buying a KT-8005 should either check it out first or budget some money to have it aligned. But our panelist Bob adds, “The 8005 and 8007 seem a lot better [when in typical 'as found' condition] than the earlier KT-7000 and KT-7001, which seem to need parts/repair to work well, rather than just an alignment.” See the KT-8007 writeup below for more of Bob's comments on the KT-8005. The KT-8005 usually sells for $100-180 on eBay, with a recent low of $78 and an all-time high of $290 (with manuals), both in 9/04. [BF][JR] OK will pick it up tommorrow. THANKS JIM

jpv1
02-02-2006, 10:31 PM
I have two tuners
Yamaha T-960II
Lafayette t-325 tube tuner

bdl955
02-05-2006, 04:16 PM
Did I say 12 step program or twelve tuners?

I could not pass up this Sansui TU-9500 in "pristine" condition on eeeeeBay last night.

Take a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5862838536&viewitem=&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Let's hope it comes through as nice as it looks here. I had one of these, some years ago and was very much impressed with sound, performance and looks.

Now, about that 12 step program.

Best,

Bryan


New to AK, but clearly in need of a twelve step program regarding tuners. Those that I plan on hanging on to for now are as follows:

Sansui TU-9900 (APS mod)
Accuphase T-101 (APS mod)
Fisher FM-100 (tube, mono, mint)
Sherwood S-3000V (needs work)
Sherwood S-3000III (minty, nice)
Fisher KM-60 (needs work)
Sony ST-5000FW (needs work)
Sansui TU-777 (coming)

Favorites? Too soon to tell, but top 3 are definitely in the hunt.

New guy,

Bryan

aj_chicago
02-16-2007, 12:00 AM
Reviving this old thread. I just picked up a Pioneer TX-9500 II at a thrift shop and revived it. My one and only. I know I shouldn't ask this question, but what do you guys do with more than one tuna??? Better yet, what do you guys do with 6 or 7 or 8??? I know, I know... collect 'em and look at 'em, and dust 'em off, and talk about 'em, and compare 'em, and.... why did I ask?

smollett5
02-16-2007, 12:52 AM
My stand alones:

New Addition: Fisher FM-1000, FM Multiplex Broadcast Monitor, from 1962. As it turns out, the self-proclaimed Fisher Doctor "worked" on this particular example, and made some serious and costly mistakes throughout, resulting in miserable, almost non-existant stereo reception and audio. My tech had to undo all of his work and so-called mods and fix much sloppy workmanship. I have located NOS Fisher tubes for about half the complement. It now rivals my MR67 in performance and truly looks stunning. Both meters work perfectly - yes, even the VU meter!

MR 67 (tube - wonderful sound, best of all I have)
MR 7082 (great solid state all rounder)
Fisher TFM-300 (tube front end, the Golden Synchrode - one 6HA5 and two 6CW4 nuvistors - transistors elsewhere) (Good sound - not as good as the McIntoshes, and not as selective as the 250-T)
Pioneer TX-130 (adequate garage system tuner with a Pioneer SA-730 integrated)

Receivers (bought with quality radio reception as a priority):

New Addition: Fisher 800-T, the more expensive big brother of my 250-T. Once again, the tuner has superb selectivity and seems to have slightly better audio quality, as well. For a first generation SS receiver, it looks great.

Fisher 500-C (tube - beats everything but the 67 in sound quality, and doesn't miss that high standard by much)
Fisher 500-B (tube - superior sound, wonderful tuning eye set-up - just not quite as good as the 67, 7082, or 500-C, especially in sensitivity)
Fisher 250T (solid state, not great sound, but surprisingly superior selectivity - the best of all I've got)
MAC 1700 (tube - very, very good sound - but not as good as the 67 or the 500-C, probably a tad better than the 500-B)
MAC 1900 (great ss tuner in all respects - rock stable and dependable)
Kenwood KR-720 (two of them - very good sound and sensitivity)
Pioneer SX -980 (fine tuner, not bad for DXing, good AM section, as well)
Pioneer SX-990 (pretty good tuner, drifts a bit early on)
Pioneer SX-535 (good tuner for a budget receiver)
Sansui 331 (good tuner for a real budget receiver)

Brian
02-16-2007, 07:50 AM
And I just won a Sherwood S-3300 SS tuner along with the matching S-9500 amp. I've been quietly looking for the pair for a couple of years but wanted them to be in very good cosmetic condition.

smollett5
02-16-2007, 08:03 AM
Brian,

I take it you've seen this website:

http://www.geocities.com/frleand/ClassicAudio/Pages/SherwoodProductList.html

How do the Sherwoods compare to the first generation SS Fishers? And how does this particular duo work?

Gary

doug s.
02-16-2007, 09:23 AM
And I just won a Sherwood S-3300 SS tuner along with the matching S-9500 amp. I've been quietly looking for the pair for a couple of years but wanted them to be in very good cosmetic condition.

i almost sniped that one! :scratch2: but i have seen them go for less, in as good shape. not that $41 is a lot! :D i am interested in the 3300 because i have a refurb'd & modded s3000v; its sonics are right up there w/the best i have ever heard, including modded sansui tu-x1, modded sansui tu9900, etc. not quite as sensitive, but decent for a tubed tuna...

doug s.

VINTAGE-CAPER
02-16-2007, 01:19 PM
Picked up a PioneerTX-9500 on EPAY last fall for $187.00us.My first stand alone tuner.Not a great unit for DXing but has a full concert sound.My Pioneer SX1080 reciever is by far a better unit for DXing but lacks a little in the sound guality dept. when compared to the TX9500.
Regards,
Andrew.

Aage
02-16-2007, 05:16 PM
My stand alones:

New Addition: Fisher FM-1000, FM Multiplex Broadcast Monitor, from 1962. As it turns out, the self-proclaimed Fisher Doctor "worked" on this particular example, and made some serious and costly mistakes throughout, resulting in miserable, almost non-existant stereo reception and audio. My tech had to undo all of his work and so-called mods and fix much sloppy workmanship. I have located NOS Fisher tubes for about half the complement. It now rivals my MR67 in performance and truly looks stunning. Both meters work perfectly - yes, even the VU meter!

Hmmm(n)... Perhaps that's why Mr. Pugliese (sp?) seems to have let go of that type of business.

So, does your FM-1000 have the wood case? If so, is the grill on the top raised up higher than the wood? Mine does, just wondering if they all do, I've seen it both ways... (how about a photo?)

Yamaha B-2
02-16-2007, 05:27 PM
Received my Yamaha T-2 back from Mark Wilson at Absolute Sound Labs this week. Recap, alignment, balunectomy and new power cord. He did an excellent job and even cleaned up the cosmetics. More about it and pic's over here: http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1033340#post1033340

smollett5
02-16-2007, 06:34 PM
Sorry, no case came with my tuner. I attached a clearer photo in another Tuner thread, but the attachment manager will not let me reattach it here for some reason.

In any event, it looks great and works fine. The Microtune feature works exactly as it should. Interestingly, my selector switch has four actual operating positions, but the face plate lettering indicates only three, apparently omitting "stereo", but retaining mono, stereo-mono automatic, and stereo filter. My tech has confirmed that the selector switch has four different modes.

The purported Fisher Doctor certainly did not obtain his degree at the same schools as the Fisher RF engineers. His instruction manual for "restoration" of the 500-C, both of which I have, helped confirm my tech's understanding of the "Doctor's" ill-conceived intentions to modernize the 1000's sound.

Does your 1000 have a metal shielding plate to the right of the tuning flywheel attached by hex screws?

PeterFCassidy
02-17-2007, 10:13 AM
Freakin' thing is so feature packed it would take one whole website to describe its glories in appropriate detail.

Has a number of switches that baffle me and, in the right combination, actually change the sound or filter out hiss.

Mated to the Legendary Sansui G8000, this is one amazing sounding tuner. Crystalline highs, completely true mids and a mammoth lower range this is one engaging piece to listen to. I prefer it over the Sansui's integrated tuner as the Nikko's bottom range is just better defined.

Since I set it up a couple of months back now, I've been listening to the radio a lot more. The preset buttons make it easy to punch into favorite shows and to remember to tune in. (I associate certain buttons with the time of day now and just reach for the show I want to hear.)

Never thought I'd go for a digital tuner, but this one has its charms.

daddydlb
02-20-2007, 12:46 AM
I have a Sansui TU-7700, Yamaha CT-800, Nikko Gamma I and FAM-500, Pioneer TX-6800, Onkyo T-403, Eico ST-96.

unclemss
02-20-2007, 12:52 PM
I still have two Sansui TU-9900's unmodded but recent alignment, two mint Kenwood KT-7500's that never seem to get modded even though that's why I bought them, Pioneer F-9, F-90, F-99X, Onkyo t-9090 and an old Harmon Kardon F-500X? FM only tube tuner that sounds wonderful but need a lot of work, I have owned kenwood's KT-880D and 990D, Sansui tu-99X, Yamaha T-85, and Sanyo 55 plus but nothing comes close to the Sansui TU-9900.

I live across Puget Sound from Seattle about ten miles as the crow flies and have a 30 foot tower with a good antenna and rotator and live on top of a hill with nothing in the way of the signal so I don't need a signal amp, I would like to try out the Sansui TU-X1 but it's way too spendy and I only have $350 into both TU-9900's including alignment so I guess that's as good as it gets unless I get really lucky and snag one of those $25 TU-X1's.:music:

Brian4561
02-20-2007, 01:39 PM
A Marantz 110 to pair with my 1060.

I hooked 'er up to one of those Terk AM/FM antennas, and I'm enjoying some wonderful sounds. I still don't know what the trim pots and switches on the back do, but it sounds good, so I'm not messin' with them.

dBfreak
02-23-2007, 04:25 AM
Fisher 4000R into 2 Scott 99B mono amps.

hellhound94
02-23-2007, 06:07 AM
Hafler DH-330

doug s.
02-23-2007, 08:55 AM
I still have two Sansui TU-9900's unmodded but recent alignment, two mint Kenwood KT-7500's that never seem to get modded even though that's why I bought them, Pioneer F-9, F-90, F-99X, Onkyo t-9090 and an old Harmon Kardon F-500X? FM only tube tuner that sounds wonderful but need a lot of work, I have owned kenwood's KT-880D and 990D, Sansui tu-99X, Yamaha T-85, and Sanyo 55 plus but nothing comes close to the Sansui TU-9900.

I live across Puget Sound from Seattle about ten miles as the crow flies and have a 30 foot tower with a good antenna and rotator and live on top of a hill with nothing in the way of the signal so I don't need a signal amp, I would like to try out the Sansui TU-X1 but it's way too spendy and I only have $350 into both TU-9900's including alignment so I guess that's as good as it gets unless I get really lucky and snag one of those $25 TU-X1's.:music:
step up to the plate & get one of the tu-9900's modded. you will not regret it. i had a stock tu9900, & it was excellent. but, since then, i got one that was modded, by both punker x and joseph chow; it's right up there w/the tu-x1 i have, that was modded by mr chow...

doug s.

Aage
02-24-2007, 06:02 PM
Does your 1000 have a metal shielding plate to the right of the tuning flywheel attached by hex screws?

Sorry, mine came with the case and of course that part of the tuner is at the front (inside). Too dang lazy to take the case off at the moment.

Here's a shot of mine in the cabinet. You can see what I'm talking about: the perforated part is raised above the deck of the wood cabinet by about 1/2".

Just trying to establish if this was standard issue for this model, I've seen it both ways...

smollett5
02-24-2007, 07:08 PM
I've never seen a raised grill like that prior to yours. I have other Fisher tubed components and all of them have had slightly sunken grills that slide in and out of the wooden cabinet. Yours looks much better than what I have come to expect from the supposedly standard factory issue.

I see also that your face plate has all four positions designated on the selector switch. Do you know when they manufactured yours? Mine dates from 1962.

Soon, hopefully, I will have finished acquiring a full set of Fisher-branded tubes for it, save the two nuvistors in the front end.

Aage
02-24-2007, 09:10 PM
I've never seen a raised grill like that prior to yours. I have other Fisher tubed components and all of them have had slightly sunken grills that slide in and out of the wooden cabinet. Yours looks much better than what I have come to expect from the supposedly standard factory issue.


Yes, I'm glad you say that, because I have seen that, too. It may just be a case of policy to continually upgrade/change parts of the design on tube units without making a Big Deal about it.


I see also that your face plate has all four positions designated on the selector switch. Do you know when they manufactured yours? Mine dates from 1962.

Soon, hopefully, I will have finished acquiring a full set of Fisher-branded tubes for it, save the two nuvistors in the front end.

Yes I wil look into that. Tomorrow I'll post the serial number and details on that piece near the flywheel. Perhaps someone hear has found a way to determine the age from the serial number.

I think mine is actually bone-stock. I believe I had bought it by the late '70s, so that's some 30 years ago.

Yamaha B-2
02-24-2007, 09:44 PM
I've never seen a raised grill like that prior to yours. I have other Fisher tubed components and all of them have had slightly sunken grills that slide in and out of the wooden cabinet. Yours looks much better than what I have come to expect from the supposedly standard factory issue.Someone probably had it out and simply put it back in upside-down so that it stick ups rather than down.

smollett5
02-24-2007, 10:16 PM
Well, the grill looks too well-formed and placed to be the result of a mere flip of an original grill, but one can never tell. The holes look too small - much more like the size one normally sees in a McIntosh or Pioneer grill piece, both of which usually have the grills sunk a little bit below the cabinet as well.

Regarding the date of manufacture, check the code on the various tube transformers. All of my FM-1000's read 119-62__, indicating a likely manufacturing date of 1962. If you can make sense of the serial numbers, please tell me how. Many people have puzzled over those sequences.

Ausjoe
02-25-2007, 10:34 PM
I have 4 standalone tuners anymore:
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Kenwood L-07T (not the L-07TII)
Hitachi FT 440
Arcam FMJ T-21
Cheers

robertnjax
02-26-2007, 05:36 PM
Hi:
I'm currently using a Mac MR78 with the Modafferi Mod.:banana: Also, have a MR67.

Robert

RxDx
02-27-2007, 11:40 PM
I still have two Sansui TU-9900's unmodded but recent alignment, two mint Kenwood KT-7500's that never seem to get modded even though that's why I bought them, Pioneer F-9, F-90, F-99X, Onkyo t-9090 and an old Harmon Kardon F-500X? FM only tube tuner that sounds wonderful but need a lot of work, I have owned kenwood's KT-880D and 990D, Sansui tu-99X, Yamaha T-85, and Sanyo 55 plus but nothing comes close to the Sansui TU-9900.
I'm interested in those particular Pioneers and Kenwoods,and I'm still stalking a T-9090II.

I'm curious how you'd rate the T-85, a little more for DXing than sound. I suspect they all sound pretty good.

Vitopanch
02-28-2007, 03:26 AM
Hail,
Tuners are my favorite piece of audio gear, although I have only been actually learning about them recently. The ones that I have so far are;

Nikko NT-850 my first one,
Nikko NT-950,
HH Scott LT-112B used for DXing,
Teac T-303 used for AM,
Kenwood KT-8007 used for Dxing,
Harman Kardon TU610 x 2

I just ordered Bob Carver's Ultimate AM Antenna and am excited about using that on the Teac and after reading Whitehall's post about the Outdoor Antenna Performance Calcs, I am going to be purchasing one of those APS-13antennas after I shingle the house roof.

I also have been reading that Punkerx takes on refubishing tuners and plan to see as to whether I can have him go through my Scott, Teac and Kenwood.

I enjoy the posts in this forum and appreciate all of the learning that is available. Man, this is a deep subject. so much to learn.

Vito

Yamaha B-2
02-28-2007, 05:52 AM
If you are interested in learning more about tuners, the first link below is a 'tuners only' forum that attracts quite a number of design engineers and others who vocation and/or avocation is tuners. It is a very knowledgeable and helpful group. As technically oriented as you could wish.

The second link is the info website on which the forum is based. Tuners are definitely great fun. Right up there with TTs and vintage solid-state gear.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/
http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html

pmsummer
02-28-2007, 02:58 PM
Yamaha T-7
Yamaha CT-1010
Yamaha T-760
Sansui TU-217
Aiwa T-30

...and I had a H/K 500 tuner that I just gave to a fellow AK'er.

onepixel
02-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Marantz 125
Pioneer TX-9100
Sansui TU-555
Sansui TU-S9
Yamaha CT-810

johndoe3
03-02-2007, 11:13 PM
Alrighty,
Marantz 120
Pioneer TX-9500
Yamaha CT-1010
Sansui TU-9900, TU-717, TU-517
Kenwood 600T, KT-8300, KT-7500, KT-7300, KT-5500
Technics ST-8600
Rotel RT-1024
Sony ST-A6B, ST-5950SD
Akai AT-2650
Hitachi FT-600
Denon TU-500
Sanyo FMT-1001K
Nikko FAM-800
Samsung TU-3500
Goldstar GST-1000
Scott 530T
Onkyo T9

Danamc
03-02-2007, 11:24 PM
Kenwood KT-917
Kenwood KT-8300
Kenwood L-07T II
Kenwood 600T
Sansui TU-919 (2)
Sansui TU-X1
Sansui TU-9900
McIntosh MR-80
Marantz 150
Yamaha T-2 (2)
Yamaha CT-7000
Audiolab 8000T
Accuphase T-100
Tandberg 3001A
Phillips 6731
Mitsubishi DA-F20
Nikko Gamma V


Sad to say that most all the tuners I had back in March 2004 have been sold in the last few months to purchase the tuners of tuners, the Accuphase T-1000. The only keepers are the TU-X1 and the McIntosh MR-80.

Yamaha B-2
03-02-2007, 11:32 PM
Yamaha T-2 (2)
Sad to say that most all the tuners I had back in March 2004 have been sold in the last few months to purchase the tuners of tuners, the Accuphase T-1000. The only keepers are the TU-X1 and the McIntosh MR-80.Recently got the T-2 that I bought from you back from Mark Wilson @ Absolute Sound Labs. He did a terrific job and brought the somewhat cosmetically challenged outsides up from a 6 to 9, so it is really nice looking. :thmbsp: But...the important part is that Mark did a full recap (BGs, etc.) of the unit, aligned, balunectomy and it sounds just great. Is now my #1 tuner, sounding better than either of the Sony units.

You'll have to let us know what you think of the T-1000. Any pic's?

BTW - Audio Classics has a demo unit for only $5K.

dc270
03-03-2007, 06:41 PM
Just got my Radiosophy HD radio in today. WOW is it great!
I live in the DFW area and have loads of HD stations. This is an exceptional radio. Excellent tuning sensitivity and features.

I have it patched into my Hafler DH500/ AR'9's and it sounds as good as anything in my CD collection in HD format. If you have not heard one you should really listen sometime. The future is here...bye bye analog!

Now ifI can just get an FM comercial mute feature!

http://www.radiosophy.com/index.html
DC

Wojtek
03-03-2007, 06:50 PM
I own a Technics ST-9600. Too bad that I can't find a manual for it anywhere :(

doug s.
03-03-2007, 09:49 PM
I own a Technics ST-9600. Too bad that I can't find a manual for it anywhere :(
look for a manual for an st8600 - exact same tuna.

doug s.

doug s.
03-03-2007, 09:51 PM
Just got my Radiosophy HD radio in today. WOW is it great!
I live in the DFW area and have loads of HD stations. This is an exceptional radio. Excellent tuning sensitivity and features.

I have it patched into my Hafler DH500/ AR'9's and it sounds as good as anything in my CD collection in HD format. If you have not heard one you should really listen sometime. The future is here...bye bye analog!

Now ifI can just get an FM comercial mute feature!

http://www.radiosophy.com/index.html
DC
imo - and in the opinion of many others w/hi-rez systems - the sound of hd does not hold a candle to a good quality analog fm broadcast. analog fm will be around for a long time, thank god...

doug s.

dc270
03-03-2007, 10:09 PM
that's peculiar, I can hear a distinct differance in bandwidth, the HD has much better definition over the compressed FM analog........hmmm
DC

doug s.
03-03-2007, 10:36 PM
that's peculiar, I can hear a distinct differance in bandwidth, the HD has much better definition over the compressed FM analog........hmmm
DC
much commercial fm is compressed. for best fm signal quality, you usually have to listen to non-commercial stations.

ymmv,

doug s.

Punker X
03-04-2007, 05:07 AM
HD = Hybrid Digital... not High def... incapable of the same quality as a good analog broadcast.

X

Yamaha B-2
03-04-2007, 08:05 AM
Just got my Radiosophy HD radio in today. WOW is it great!
I live in the DFW area and have loads of HD stations. This is an exceptional radio. Excellent tuning sensitivity and features.
I have it patched into my Hafler DH500/ AR'9's and it sounds as good as anything in my CD collection in HD format. If you have not heard one you should really listen sometime. The future is here...bye bye analog! Since the best that current HD radio can do has fewer bits than MP3 (around 94kb), there must be something wrong with your system. Redbook CDs are 1440kb. ~15-to-1 better.

bully
03-12-2007, 08:37 AM
Two Onkyo T-9, Onkyo T-4090, two Yamaha T-80, Technics ST-8080, and a Denon TU-600.

Whitehall
03-12-2007, 02:34 PM
My local FM station (KKUP) can sound BETTER than CDs.

The system is all analog from mixing board out and when they have musicians in the studio doing live broadcasts, the sound is smooth and, well, live.

One does lose a bit on frequency response (to 15kHz rather than CD's 20 kHz) and maybe stereo separation but it is a fine tradeoff to my ear.

niklasthedol
03-21-2007, 06:34 PM
Using the Tandberg TP 3001A.
Didn't hear better.

Pulls in everything......................

http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/TPT-3001A.jpg

"dolph"

epoch5
03-21-2007, 06:43 PM
The only one I have is a Kenwood KT-815 it's ugly as a mud fence but it's a pretty good tuner.:D

unclemss
03-23-2007, 05:34 PM
I'm interested in those particular Pioneers and Kenwoods,and I'm still stalking a T-9090II.

I'm curious how you'd rate the T-85, a little more for DXing than sound. I suspect they all sound pretty good.

I rate the T-85 as excellent for DXing and it's sound quality is right up there with the best, I did my own shootout with the T-85, KT-990D and the TU-9900 and my conclusion was that the digital tuners were very close to the Sansui in sound but lacked "warmth " for a better word, the Sansui's midrange and upper bass just sound better, the other thing was that the digitals could not compete in soundstage width or upper end detail, if I didn't have the Sansui's already I would have no problem listening to a digital but I really do like the analog sound better.
Mark S:music:

avionic
03-29-2007, 09:52 PM
Yamaha T-1 purchased in the Bitburg base exchange,Bitburg AB 'West Germany in 1980 new $139.In the past 27 years I've had to replace 4 lightbulbs unit still sounds great.I have it hooked up to a exterior FM yagi antenna and 75Ω coax cable.:music:







Dave

RxDx
03-29-2007, 11:59 PM
I rate the T-85 as excellent for DXing and it's sound quality is right up there with the best, I did my own shootout with the T-85, KT-990D and the TU-9900 and my conclusion was that the digital tuners were very close to the Sansui in sound but lacked "warmth " for a better word, the Sansui's midrange and upper bass just sound better, the other thing was that the digitals could not compete in soundstage width or upper end detail, if I didn't have the Sansui's already I would have no problem listening to a digital but I really do like the analog sound better.
Mark S:music:

I haven't explored sound as much (being the dxho that I am), but I've played with a bunch of Yamahas- T-1, T-7, TX-950, T-80, T-85, and TX-1000. I'd say the last two sounded the best, though it's a pretty subtle difference in all of them for me (not to mention, being from the same maker).

Based on dxing, though, I sold both the T-85 and the TX-1000 to keep an Onkyo T-4711. That's my interest in your comparisons to the T-85. If any was better than the Yamaha, I might have to sample it. :yes:

giant-rider
03-30-2007, 10:26 PM
I have a TEAC TX-300B and a TEAC T-X110. The french CBC makes it worth owning a tuner or two, they have excellent Jazz programs.

lorne
04-09-2007, 09:53 PM
FM-3, Sony ST-5150, Pioneer TX-8800II, Pioneer TX-6300

Tube_Dude
04-18-2007, 01:38 PM
Hi guys

A Onkyo Integra T-4711 and a Philips vintage 22RH697 .... :music:

Tube_Dude
04-18-2007, 01:47 PM
Also a Philips vintage 22GH499... :smoke:

Doctordirt
04-18-2007, 02:00 PM
I have a JVC T-V3 and T-V5. They pull in stations beter than any receivers I have used.

Vintage Pete
04-18-2007, 02:52 PM
Tuners I presently have:

McIntosh MR77
McIntosh MR78
McIntosh MR80
McIntosh MX117 (Tuner/Preamp)
Sansui TU-717



Tuners I don't have (yet) but would like to have:
(to name just a few!) :D

McIntosh MR74
McIntosh MR85

Marantz 10B
Marantz 150
Marantz 2130

BrianC.
04-19-2007, 05:33 AM
Fifty year-old Leak Trough Line :

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i83/mapleheds/LeakTroughLine.jpg

Mono of course :)
Playing Radio 3 - Ives Symphony No 1 - as I type.
Aerial is an 18" length of lamp-cord!:D

Brian

Pilot
04-19-2007, 08:29 AM
The only stand alone tuner I have is a Pioneer TX-970 which I scored at a thrift shop a couple of years ago for $9. Rather plain but it works very well. Haven't done any mods as yet but I'll get around to it some day. I also have some homebrew jobs I built 40 or so years ago but they don't really count. I remember that Leak tuner. A friend of mine used to have one. Beautifully made as well. I still have a Leak 2000 receiver.

Bryan

BrianC.
04-19-2007, 08:49 AM
I also have some homebrew jobs I built 40 or so years ago but they don't really count.
Bryan

Why not? Didn't they work out? I don't think many of us would have attempted a home-brew tuner so I take my hat off to you :thmbsp:
Any piccies?

I did consider that route myself about 20 years ago but decided it was waaay beyond me

Brian.

doug s.
04-19-2007, 09:26 AM
i'd love to hear your assessment of how the tu717 compares to the macs. i owned a tu517, (functional equivalent to the tu717), & it was so much better than my refurb'd mr77... in fact almost every tuna i have owned over the past few years, (more than 80), was so much better than my mr77... :scratch2: since the mr77 & the mr74 are generally regarded by tuna fanatics as being mac's best s/s tunas, i was a bit disappointed...

doug s.
Tuners I presently have:

McIntosh MR77
McIntosh MR78
McIntosh MR80
McIntosh MX117 (Tuner/Preamp)
Sansui TU-717



Tuners I don't have (yet) but would like to have:
(to name just a few!) :D

McIntosh MR74
McIntosh MR85

Marantz 10B
Marantz 150
Marantz 2130

Vintage Pete
04-19-2007, 01:32 PM
i'd love to hear your assessment of how the tu717 compares to the macs. i owned a tu517, (functional equivalent to the tu717), & it was so much better than my refurb'd mr77... in fact almost every tuna i have owned over the past few years, (more than 80), was so much better than my mr77... :scratch2: since the mr77 & the mr74 are generally regarded by tuna fanatics as being mac's best s/s tunas, i was a bit disappointed...

doug s.

Hi Doug,
I find your post interesting. Not sure where to start....so I'll start with your first question: the TU-717 compared to the MACS. I can't say enough good things about the TU-717...I bought mine in 1978 and used it until 1993, when I bought my MR78. The 717 is a fine tuner, IMO, it has a very nice sound, nice build quality (see pics) and was extremely reliable: I never had to service it, aside from light bulbs. Is it as good as the MACS? IMO, not quite. But the fact that I used the 717 for 15 years says something, right? In fact, I've brought it out of retirement once or twice as I was setting up secondary systems. Now on to the MAC tuners. I'm not sure why you would say that the MR74 and MR77 are generally regarded as the best ss Mc tuners-what I've heard more often is the praise of the MR78 as the best MAC tuner, with the MR77 running a close second. I agree that the MR77 is close to the MR78, at least in sound quality. (are you sure your MR77 was working right? I find it curious that you would prefer so many tuners over it). I used the MR78 as my main tuner for 10 years, until I acquired an MR80. I never expected to replace the 78 with the 80 in my main system, but when I auditioned it in my main system, there was something I really liked about its sound, so much that I left it in my main system, moving the MR78 to my office system. For lack of a better way to put it, the MR80 seems to have a "sparkle" to its sound that I really. Maybe transparency is the correct term, but whatever the case, I really like it. Geting back to the TU-717 compared to the MACS, I think the Mac's tuner circuitry has the edge in overall sound quality, and I think too that the audio output circuitry of the Mac tuners serve them well, they are quite "punchy". (As a boy of 15, I briefly owned an MR77, I had talked my mom into cosigning a payment plan that I had no business doing since I had no means to pay for it. I ended up taking it back, opting instead for the more down to earth priced Marantz model 105B. I used that until around 1976, when I bought a Technics ST-7600, which I used until 1978, when I bought the Sansui tuner). But once again, I'll say that the TU-717 was a tuner that didn't (at the time) get the recognition it deserved. But it seems now that some of us Tuner freaks give it some recognition....:yes:

I hope this helps....I'd like to hear more from you on your tuner explorations!

Best regards,

Peter

doug s.
04-19-2007, 04:13 PM
hi pete,

while most mac tuna experts will tell you the mr78 is the best regarding sensitivity & sselectivity, for sound quality, it's either the mr74 or mr77 that fight over top honors. even richard modaferri was quoted on the fmtunerinfo forum as stating an mr77 outperforms an mr78 sonically, even after he's modded both. now i have also heard mac folks say that the mr80 is virtually identical to the mr78 from both a sonic & reception perspective. after production of the mr80, it's supposedly all downhill for the mac tunas.

my problem w/the mr77's sonics was that i thought the soundstage width was constricted compared to most other tunas, & there was no soundstage depth at all - quite 2-d. its detail was good - possibly a hair more detailed than the sansui tu517 i owned, but the tu517 was much more musical overall, due to its better soundstaging.

now for those who think i am mac-bashing, that's not quite true - i have a refurb'd & modded-to-the-gills mr65b that really *is* nice. but, i admit my refurb'd slightly modded sherwood s3000v is still better. ;)

best,

doug s.

Hi Doug,
I find your post interesting. Not sure where to start....so I'll start with your first question: the TU-717 compared to the MACS. I can't say enough good things about the TU-717...I bought mine in 1978 and used it until 1993, when I bought my MR78. The 717 is a fine tuner, IMO, it has a very nice sound, nice build quality (see pics) and was extremely reliable: I never had to service it, aside from light bulbs. Is it as good as the MACS? IMO, not quite. But the fact that I used the 717 for 15 years says something, right? In fact, I've brought it out of retirement once or twice as I was setting up secondary systems. Now on to the MAC tuners. I'm not sure why you would say that the MR74 and MR77 are generally regarded as the best ss Mc tuners-what I've heard more often is the praise of the MR78 as the best MAC tuner, with the MR77 running a close second. I agree that the MR77 is close to the MR78, at least in sound quality. (are you sure your MR77 was working right? I find it curious that you would prefer so many tuners over it). I used the MR78 as my main tuner for 10 years, until I acquired an MR80. I never expected to replace the 78 with the 80 in my main system, but when I auditioned it in my main system, there was something I really liked about its sound, so much that I left it in my main system, moving the MR78 to my office system. For lack of a better way to put it, the MR80 seems to have a "sparkle" to its sound that I really. Maybe transparency is the correct term, but whatever the case, I really like it. Geting back to the TU-717 compared to the MACS, I think the Mac's tuner circuitry has the edge in overall sound quality, and I think too that the audio output circuitry of the Mac tuners serve them well, they are quite "punchy". (As a boy of 15, I briefly owned an MR77, I had talked my mom into cosigning a payment plan that I had no business doing since I had no means to pay for it. I ended up taking it back, opting instead for the more down to earth priced Marantz model 105B. I used that until around 1976, when I bought a Technics ST-7600, which I used until 1978, when I bought the Sansui tuner). But once again, I'll say that the TU-717 was a tuner that didn't (at the time) get the recognition it deserved. But it seems now that some of us Tuner freaks give it some recognition....:yes:

I hope this helps....I'd like to hear more from you on your tuner explorations!

Best regards,

Peter

Pilot
04-19-2007, 07:20 PM
Brian,

Can't post piccies as one of them sits in a carboard box without a case, and another had the stereo decoder ripped out to make an outboard decoder for a friend. I have another decoder somewhere so I might install it just out of interest. I can't remember what happened to the third as it was a long time ago, probably in another cardboard box somewhere. I was a professional electronics engineer back then so I designed that sort of stuff for a living. I used to work for a famous manufacturer of radio equipment in Chelmsford, and I remember Ongar as a friend of mine lived there and used to drive in every day. However, I moved into computers in the sixties as it paid twice as much.

Bryan

avionic
04-19-2007, 08:55 PM
:thmbsp:

stereodctr
04-20-2007, 12:54 AM
Only a couple, Luxman T-240 and Kenwood KT-7300

currituckco
04-24-2007, 01:27 AM
I only have one:
Pilot FA-680 mono AM/FM "stereophonic" (not really stereo) tuner

I never much listened to radio, as I always (perhaps fallaciously) felt I had much better taste than the DJs. I was a DJ in college and mostly just listened to the radio to hear my friends on the air and call in ridiculous requests.

I recently acquired this Pilot and I'm thinking of trying to restore it. I haven't even plugged it in yet. I am capable of recaping and replacing diodes, and I have good testing tubes for it, however I have neither the tools nor the expertise to properly align it. What will it sound like if the alignment is off? Will it still be worth the time and expense of recapping if I'm unable to align it?

I was also wondering how it would handle a stereo FM signal - would it only play the L or R channel, or would it represent both channels in a mono rendering? I'll look for a multiplex adapter in the meantime - will any brand work? That was my assumption, but I've been wrong before (cf. me having better taste than every DJ on the planet).

Does anyone have any experience with this model? Info is appreciated. I'm looking forward to exploring what little the NYC airwaves have to offer. Hopefully at least some Brooklyn pirate reggae stations. My goal is to get this thing operational while "I'm a Flirt" by R. Kelly is still a big single. Who's with me? (....*crickets*....)

Scorpion8
04-24-2007, 01:30 AM
Sansui TU-217. All I've ever needed, and sounds great to me ....

ETA: 6/29/07 -- Picked up an Onkyo T-15. Seems to have very strong reception too.

jpdylon
04-24-2007, 01:48 AM
I recently acquired a Sansui tu-9900. Mine is completely stock, but I think its one of the best sounding and most sensitive tuner's I've heard. Much better than the pioneer tx-9500II I had and the 9800 I have.

The only thing that comes close to it in the way of sonics, to me was a moded sherwood S3000V tube tuner done up by Brian Beasley.

nosirrah
05-11-2007, 02:07 PM
Wow, where to start...all Sansui except a Nikko 450?
Daily users...tu 9900
tu 666 {bedroom}
tu 555 {shop}
also ran tu 666 {a couple of these round dial units.}
tu 555
tu 7500
tu 9500
tu 717
tu 417
tu 7900
t-8o {several}
t-60
tu 777
tu 999 {several}
some Sansui digitals, most are junk, one good one, but cannot remember the model number, and it's stored away.
Casey


wish list is the tu-x1

BroonsBane
05-11-2007, 02:16 PM
Right now I have a Sansui TU-719 (much nicer sounding than the 717 IMHO), Carver PSB-11 Yamaha CT-810, Yamaha TX-400U and a Realistic TM-1000.

PeterFCassidy
05-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Pictures are on this page.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109680&page=2

Incredible piece!

Peter

stewby
05-31-2007, 09:01 PM
Currently have:

Kenwood KT-5020
Sansui TU-X1
Roksan Caspian (sold)
Audio Refinement (not working)
Pioneer F-93
Luxman T-02
Denon TU-800
Mcintosh MR74
Fanfare FT-1-k
Yamaha T-80

All are stock.

6thumbs
05-31-2007, 11:44 PM
Only have room for one good one Sansui TU717

Rex Everything
06-01-2007, 12:44 AM
Accuphase T-101

Mitsubishi DA-F10

radioactive
06-01-2007, 01:28 AM
Only have room for one good one Sansui TU717

:thmbsp: can't go wrong with that tuner if you only have room for the one that's for sure.i know i like mine but unfortunately i'm over run with tuners around here and keeping just one hooked up for any length of time is a chore.i do however have the 717 inline at the moment and can't see taken it out anytime soon:no:

radioactive
06-01-2007, 01:33 AM
Right now I have a Sansui TU-719 (much nicer sounding than the 717 IMHO),

i take it you did a side by side comparision?if so how did the sensitivity and selectivity compare between the 2 i'm curious to hear your thoughts as i'd like to eventually get a sansui tuner with digital/analog readout without stepping upto the tu 919.

chris

bigredplane
06-02-2007, 08:23 AM
I have a Kenwood 600T. Now thats a real tuner. :banana:

doug s.
06-02-2007, 02:18 PM
i take it you did a side by side comparision?if so how did the sensitivity and selectivity compare between the 2 i'm curious to hear your thoughts as i'd like to eventually get a sansui tuner with digital/analog readout without stepping upto the tu 919.

chris
i owned a 517 (same as the 717, but w/o the record calibrate feature) & a 719 at the same time. absolutely indistinguishable in all aspects, imo. both fine sounding tunas, but not up to a stock tu9900, which i also owned. now, my modded tu9900 & tu-x1 are a bit better... ;)

ymmv,

doug s.

smollett5
06-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Recently, I acquired from a Craigslist seller a McIntosh MR65B, with a well-worn walnut cabinet and a flaking front panel, that did not have a factory installed MA-5 Multiplex decoder. The dial glass is in perfect condition, and the meters work. In order to make it play in stereo, I had to purchase a Fisher MPX-200 unit, which came with its three original Fisher-branded Telefunken 12AX7 tubes, one Fisher-branded, made in Holland 6BL8, and the original factory inspection tag. Before going wild with complete restoration efforts, my tech and I got it to play (the 6BN4 oscillator tube was completely dead), replaced a few more tubes (it did not have one original McIntosh tube) and it sounds pretty good.

I will post photos shortly.

So now that means I have:

McIntosh MR67
McIntosh MR65B/Fisher MPX-200
McIntosh MR7082
Fisher FM-1000
Fisher TFM-300
Pioneer TX-130

radioactive
06-02-2007, 08:17 PM
i owned a 517 (same as the 717, but w/o the record calibrate feature) & a 719 at the same time. absolutely indistinguishable in all aspects, imo. both fine sounding tunas, but not up to a stock tu9900, which i also owned. now, my modded tu9900 & tu-x1 are a bit better... ;)

ymmv,

doug s.

thanks for the info doug.i think i might look for one then.i also have a stock tu 9900 but it's not receiving in stereo so it's no fair to compare my 717 to the tu9900 until its fixed.

doug s.
06-02-2007, 08:17 PM
Recently, I acquired from a Craigslist seller a McIntosh MR65B, with a well-worn walnut cabinet and a flaking front panel, that did not have a factory installed MA-5 Multiplex decoder. The dial glass is in perfect condition, and the meters work. In order to make it play in stereo, I had to purchase a Fisher MPX-200 unit, which came with its three original Fisher-branded Telefunken 12AX7 tubes, one Fisher-branded, made in Holland 6BL8, and the original factory inspection tag. Before going wild with complete restoration efforts, my tech and I got it to play (the 6BN4 oscillator tube was completely dead), replaced a few more tubes (it did not have one original McIntosh tube) and it sounds pretty good.

I will post photos shortly.

So now that means I have:

McIntosh MR67
McIntosh MR65B/Fisher MPX-200
McIntosh MR7082
Fisher FM-1000
Fisher TFM-300
Pioneer TX-130
afaik, it's the mr65 that won't always have the mpx decoder built in. i have a (modded to the hilt) mr65b that's quite nice; i believe all the 'b' iterations had the mpx decoder included.

i also own a fisher mpx100, which is supposed to be their best decoder. i have used it w/a few mono tunas i own. it's nice, but it's also handily beaten by a one-thing audio decoder & a studio-12 decoder i own. i would recommend trying to find one of these & converting their euro 50us deemphasis to the n american 75us standard, instead of spending a lot of money on refurbing yours. the vintage fisher decoders usually fetch a pretty penny, & financially, you should still come out ok.

best,

doug s.

doug s.
06-02-2007, 08:41 PM
thanks for the info doug.i think i might look for one then.i also have a stock tu 9900 but it's not receiving in stereo so it's no fair to compare my 717 to the tu9900 until its fixed.
for top sound, you may yust wanna get your tu9900 fixed & modded. but, if you wanna get a top-sounding tuna w/digital readout, you could sell the tu9900 and the tu717 & get a tu919. of course you then have only one sansui...:scratch2:

if you want a digital readout, another alternative, not sansui-related, would be to get a mitsubishi da-f20. i had one, & it was the tiniest bit better than the stock tu9900 i had at the time. (as well as being the tiniest bit better than the stock accuphase t101 i also had.) and, the da-f20's are well-known to respond favorably to standard servicing, getting even better w/mods. the da-f20 was one of the only tunas i ever sold that i have second thoughts about, wondering if i shoulda kept it & had it modded. killer tunas, imo, & not that pricy...

doug s.

smollett5
06-02-2007, 09:13 PM
Doug,

Originally, I thought all the MR65Bs came with the MA-5 MPX decoder, but mine has the original factory blanking plate, and came out of Binghamton in 1962. Wanting to keep it all from the same era, I bought the Fisher MPX-200, also from 1962. The combo sounds pretty good to my ears, and has reasonable sensitivity, but talk about a large footprint!

I could have bought an MA-5, but it would have cost about $500 before installation, and I simply did not want to spend that much. I've already sunk way, way more than I intended to with what started out as an impulse $75 purchase. The cabinet needs refinishing and the black-painted upper front aluminum panel needs to be stripped and repainted. The control lettering on the lower panel is sketchy in places. Even I do not have unlimited resources for my morning shaving bathroom's sound system!!!

Gary

smollett5
06-03-2007, 05:21 PM
I have attached a couple of photos of the McIntosh MR65B and Fisher MPX-200. As I noted, it sounds fine, but it sure does take up a lot space.

mjs1
06-03-2007, 08:53 PM
I have mostly Sansuis, 1 Tu-919 (stock), 2 TU-717's (one with mods, 1 stock), one TU-77X (wood sides to match my AU-D11 ii), and one stock Kenwood 990 D. The Tu-77X is the worst of the lot. The modified TU-717 is just incredible, great sound stage, reception. The stock TU-717 is in my office with the TU-77X and clearly has it beat. My office is in a building with a metal frame and reception is spotty. The stock TU-717 cannot compete with the modded version. The TU-919 is hooked up to my second home system with the Kenwood. Reception at home is difficult too. The Kenwood gets much better reception and sounds great. When reception is good, however, the TU-919 has a better sound stage, but the stock Kenwood is close and beats the stock TU-717.

Marc

bully
06-04-2007, 08:27 AM
Three great-sounding Onkyo's: two T-9 and a T-4090.
Two Yamaha T-80.
Technics ST-8080.

whell
06-04-2007, 10:32 AM
Yamaha T-1
Pioneer TX-9500 - modded by RadioX
Sansui TU-999 - modded by RadioX

stewby
06-06-2007, 10:12 AM
Three great-sounding Onkyo's: two T-9 and a T-4090.
Two Yamaha T-80.
Technics ST-8080.

Isn't the T-80 a great little tuner? I may have mine upgraded.

bully
06-06-2007, 08:35 PM
hiya stewby!
yes, i like the T-80 so well I have two of them. it is a great-sounding tuner, too, or I wouldn't have one in a system.
the T-85 is supposed to be a big improvement, it may be, but I do know the T-80 is a very fine tuner.

phree
06-13-2007, 09:08 PM
Hi everyone. First post here. Tuners are an addiction for me. Currently i have:

Kenwood kt-8005
Kenwood kt-5500
Sansui tu-s5
Sansui t60 (x3)
Technics st-8080
Technics st-z11
Technics st-x301l
Pioneer tx-9500
Nikko nt-790
Sanyo fmt-303k
Sony st-2950s
Realistic tm-1001
Teac tx-550
Rotel rt-1010

Most of the better ones have been diy modded for better audio. Those that haven't will be. Very satisfying to hear the improvement after replacing caps and basic alignment. I am currently building up my test gear so that i can do better alignments. Then i might start doing some IF/filter mods.

Cheers,

Paul.

Yamaha B-2
06-13-2007, 09:11 PM
Welcome aboard. And never fear......tuners are but a "gentle madness". :D

You might also enjoy the http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/index.html and their yahoo forum (which, unfortunately, has been almost taken over in the past couple of months with BS about HD radio and the 2 or 3 tuners made for it - bunch of BS) http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/

phree
06-13-2007, 09:48 PM
Thanks for that. Yes, i frequent those places already. I agree with your comments about the recent hd radio discussions as well. :boring: A lot of tech stuff there is too far above my head. It gives me food for dreams however. Top end classic tuners are thin on the ground here in aus, hence very expensive. Reading about them is some consolation.

Cheers

jimfet
06-27-2007, 07:53 AM
Sae T102

bolly
06-27-2007, 08:30 AM
how my 2130 looks now;

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/gregbolly/IMG_0940.jpg

WhiteSE
06-27-2007, 09:20 AM
bolly, you have a piece of gear that looks good...;-)

stewby
06-27-2007, 10:41 AM
Wow! What a beautiful 2130!