Found these last night on CL for, drum roll (as if you didn't already know...) $50. Although fairly dirty, they are in pretty good shape. Nothing horrendous on the cabs, although some minor scuffs. Foam is about ready to fall off the cones, but I figure what better way to get my hands dirty on some racooning (refoaming I mean) than with 4 woofers! Took a few damp paper towels to them and they cleaned up nicely, EMITs and Polydome mids look like new. I'll post pics later, I have to order me up some 10" surrounds, 4 to be exact!

Glad to hear you snagged them Aaron! :thmbsp:

RC

Thanks Ron! I have been playing with the mid/tweet pots on the back, and its rather incredible how just "there" the tweets are when turned way up, I had totally forgotten about that. Dunno if that makes sense. Not bad, just interesting. I can't wait to get both pairs going at once.

Can someone clarify for me if both 10" woofers are powered, as in, is one a passive radiator? Reason I ask is because when I push on one, the other moves in the opposite direction. Although it is a sealed cab, so one would affect the other, and I can see voice coil wires through each cone. I always thought they were both woofers, can someone verify this for me?

According to the information at Infinity-Classics.de (http://www.infinity-classics.de) both of the woofers should be powered. It makes sense that in a sealed cabinet one woofer would go out if the other is pushed in as the air will want to go somewhere, though when powered, the air would be compressed by the woofers giving the tightness of sealed bass.

- JP

Thanks Chari, that's what I was thinking, just wanted some verification. Here are some pics I snapped quick.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/NewRS-6000s.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Woofs.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/2ndPair.jpg

just couldn't pull the trigger. I'm in the middle of refurbing a pair of JBL L77's. The drivers are winging their way to GordonW for some work and the cabinets are getting a fresh makover with some quartersawn white oak veneer and a little new paint.

Glad to see someone here get them though.

Gary :thmbsp:

I have the RS-5000's, and they're fairly 'ho-hum'. Lots of forced bass from a woofer in an artificially small cab, and the much-lauded EMIT is so small as to be indistinguishable from any other tweeter that they might have stuck in there, and sounds gritty to boot. Overall, these would have sounded great in a speaker showroom where you'd flip from one type of speaker to another...lots of bass and highs to crank up that AC/DC. The 6000's are likely much of the same, since it appears to use the same drivers (just two woofers instead of one).

I strongly suspect that the cheezy Infinity crossover is part of the fault here, but I bought these for checking out amps before they ship, not for sonic bliss, and for that they do fine. But if I really wanted to make these sound right, I'd have to rebuild the crossover and perhaps install a couple of Variovents (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&PartNumber=296-546&DID=7) in the rear to allow the woofer to operate as it should and get the hideous bumps out of the bass response.

Well all I can say is that they sure do something for Aaron. Enough for him to get 2 pairs. Nice score!

great going the bomb! congrats, you deserve them :)

but,

something tells me you're gonna have a hard time hearin that rear pair with the front pair there! :naughty:

Congratulations, Aaron! Charivari is absolutely right about the woofers, btw.

Now, about that Kenwood quad adapter you need ...

EchoWars, while a little surprised by your review of them, I can see how you would think that of the RS-5000/6000. I tend to disagree in opinion of the tweets and woofers (although yes, they are probably in too small of a cab), but I am sure you have heard many many more speakers than I have and have a better knowledge base and more experience. Perhaps I just like them so much because I haven't heard anything better :scratch2:

EchoWars, while a little surprised by your review of them, I can see how you would think that of the RS-5000/6000. I tend to disagree in opinion of the tweets and woofers (although yes, they are probably in too small of a cab), but I am sure you have heard many many more speakers than I have and have a better knowledge base and more experience. Perhaps I just like them so much because I haven't heard anything better :scratch2:

Hey Aaron,
Yep, I wouldn't take anything too personal with that review from EW. He and I just heard some Infinity's a couple of weeks ago that, IMHO, were some of the best speakers I've ever heard, and I have heard a lot as well. Check out this thread: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43718

Tell you what, take the time to arrange yourself a trip to the next AK Fest in April 2006 and hear a lot of these speakers and systems for yourself, you won't be disappointed. Maybe you can hook up with me for a ride there. Army and I will also be splitting a listening room and maybe we can talk him into bringing those Infinity's of his. :yes:

Oh, and Glenn (EW) did give you a couple of suggestions on how to improve your 6000's, that is, if you want too. Maybe he could even rebuild those crossovers for you. Try one pair of speakers first, and then compare the two. Just food for thought.


Retro

This is what $50.00 gets you on Craigslist in MY neck of the woods!
http://detroit.craigslist.org/ele/98744877.html
:lmao:

I'll be ordering a set of four 10" surrounds for these bad boys, hopefully by weeks-end. I'd like to refoam them without removing the dust caps, as I'm sure replacements wouldn't look near as good, but I'd be a bit nervous attempting to do so without shimming the VC. I am quite curious to hear how both pairs sound together, then also with the soundmates woofers. Any ideas for speaker placement? Bolly gave me an interesting idea - lay them down on their sides with tweets on the outside, both pairs stacked. Perhaps tilted back a bit would help with the tweet/mid directionality.

Retro, I really would like to make it to the Fest, but probly can't go unless I can hitch a ride with someone. Another thing about speakers is that sound is so subjective. Someone could love these and hate something else that someone loves, and vice versa. These happen to cater quite well to my listening habits, and damnit if I don't think they just sound great :D

These happen to cater quite well to my listening habits, and damnit if I don't think they just sound great :D


That IS all that counts bro!

I think I'll have an extra seat or two for the fest if you're interested, just let me know.


Retro

I don't think I'd ever part these out, but the EMITs alone were worth the money...

EMIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-INFINITY-EMIT-K-Planar-Tweeters-PERFECT_W0QQitemZ5810982158QQcategoryZ3276QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I have the RS-5000's, and they're fairly 'ho-hum'....
I strongly suspect that the cheezy Infinity crossover is part of the fault here... Suprising review EW. Those 5000s are from the mid '90s or so perhaps? I'd of said that any Infinity that used the EMIT technology would give you some nice smooth highs with a softer sound than many other tweeter designs. I'm not sure about the cabinet volume question, but I notice that ADS and other well respected (and good sounding) designs will literally use any cabinet volume that can accomodate the width of the woofer, if it is in a sealed cabinet. (Indeed, the greater the cabinet volume compared to the woofer width, the more below 40-50 Hz, as the Epicure line demonstrates nicely.) Putting two 10" on the 6000 is going to move a whole lot of air, just perhaps not so much below 40Hz or so. Finally, my Infinity RSB's crica '78-79 have some of the most complex and large cap crossovers I've ever seen discussed here. I'd say that they are a truly flat sounding accurate speaker, and that for a 3-way, I have to go a lot higher up the food chain to get any significant improvement. If I was using the RS-6000, I'm pretty sure I'd find them great for some tracks, but I'd have them A/B with a vintage "East-coast" two-way, as variety, IMHO, is king. ;) -sf

Those 5000s are from the mid '90s or so perhaps?

1988, according to Infinity Classics.

I think tonight I'm gonna try both pairs a la meme fois tonight, see how it sounds :D

I'm awfully persnickety when it comes to speakers. Here is the point where all that tweaking you've done has to be converted to acoustical energy, and IMHO, you can't spend enough on speakers.

Infinity makes some of the best speakers I've ever heard, but the RS-5000's aren't among them. As far as crossovers, a complex crossover <> good sound, not necessarily anyway.

I did not mean to suggest that the 6000's aren't worth fooling with. By all means, get new surrounds on the woofs, and give 'em a listen. If you like what you hear, then to hell with my opinion. :yes:

EW, On the crossovers, indeed, less is more, for example the EPI/Genesis I being just a single inline cap on the tweeter. Those on the Infinity Rsb are big gnarly expensive things that someone put a lot of work and relative expense into. I've not seen the RS5000 crossovers. Once you go three-way, I don't know if anything simple is going to do the now complicated job anymore, so perhaps the opposite direction might help? -sf

Does anyone have any experience refoaming (racooning!) polypropylene woofers? If so, could you advise me of any special considerations for the task ahead? I feel confident I can do this pretty well, but want to be prepared before I dive in. I suppose I could replace the woofers, but it just doesn't seem right or economical in this case.

Also, questions asked in Post #15 still stand. Thanks!

PS - I thought there was a sticky in the speaker forum about refoaming, but I can't find it? Can you guys direct me to a decent thread regarding this? I'm running on 3 hours of sleep (DD last night), so my mind isn't functioning terribly well. Thanks!

Use the correct glue for them.

Kenny

The story behind these speakers is that the seller originally bought em from his brother in law. He used them for a while with some mid-90's gear, now with his kids he doesn't have much time to listen to them. So he decided to sell them, and the money he got from them he is going to put towards a surround sound system. How many times have we heard this story...

How many times have we heard this story...
'Bout a dozen times for me, but that is if you include the variant of "We just bought a Bose system and don't need this/these anymore."

As complex as the crossovers are in these Infinities, they are a remarkable piece of work. I believe I've read several comments to the extent of even calling them "art." It would certainly be expensive to rebuild them from scratch.

So, when are you going to post some pictures of the pairs stacked?
- JP

Chari, I'll try to get some pictures of the Infinities stacked, top to bottom (tweets close together, 2nd pair woofs way up top) this evening after work. After that I'm planning to pull all 4 woofers and clean them of all foam and glue, prepping them for the refoam.

Can anyone comment on the foam surround provided by MAT Electronics? Their prices are outstanding, but I believe I need surrounds that are angled on the inside where it sticks to the woofer. Who has ordered from them and how well did it work, what exactly did you get?

This glue (http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=337369#post337369) works great for poly woofers and paper. Simply speakers provides it with their kits, and it set just right to allow adjustment while still anchoring the initial placment. -sf

Nice score Aaron, they look sweet!!!! Couple of different methods to refoam, look em up and take yer time with them is my advice!!!! I have some instructions on paper if you want a fax of em....... let me know!!!

Tonight I'll stack em, just to see how it sounds (I'll snap a picture too so everyone can see how ridiculous it looks, 6' tall!!!). Midwest Speaker Repair will sell just the foam surrounds, but they want $10 EACH!!! That sounds awefully pricey, doesn't it? It would be nice to have the surrounds now, but man, bend over if I buy them from MSR.

:lmao: You paid $50 for the speakers, come on buddy! :lmao:

Just because I got a kickass deal on the speakers doesn't mean I have to spend more than I should/have to. The more money I save now, the more I can put towards more gear in the future. However, I understand what you're sayin' :thmbsp:

Just because I got a kickass deal on the speakers doesn't mean I have to spend more than I should/have to. The more money I save now, the more I can put towards more gear in the future. However, I understand what you're sayin' :thmbsp:
Bull hoggery! If you're going to resurround, only the best will do. I'm sure I can scrounge up a pair of $250+ surround kits for ya, just give me a couple of hours.

6' tall, eh? 4 x 10" woofers and 2 x EMITs, sounds like it'll be something to see and hear.

- JP

LOL, actually, it sounds pretty good. The highs and mids are more there, literally and to my ears, which makes sense since there are 2X as many.
Probably won't keep them stacked in the future, but its interesting hearing them this way, just knowing what I have to move forward to...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/StackedInfinitiesA.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/StackedInfinitiesB.jpg

These were sealed speakers. WERE. Now that I let all the air out, what should I do when I put them back together?

Huh?

Just wanted to see who was paying attention. I was, of course, kidding with that previous post. Hopefully someone got a good laugh, or at least a chuckle out of it. At any rate, I got the woofers pulled and started in on one of them. These are gonna be a royal PITA to clean for refoaming. The adhesive really doesn't want to come off. But its a lot cheaper than spending $40 each to have them done elsewhere. I still hafta try acetone.

Funny boy... :)

These were sealed speakers. WERE. Now that I let all the air out, what should I do when I put them back together?Very good, Aaron! :lmao: Don't see many D'Appolito arrays with speakers quite that large. Variation on a PipeDream? :)

I can see there is no longer any room for the NS-500M set. Feel free to send them along any time you wish. Prefer Fedex Ground. Let me know the cost. Happy Listening!

I still have room for em, I only stacked em to see what it looked (ridiculous) and sounded (very good) like. Now that the woofers have been pulled, they reside in my bedroom. They do look quite humorous stacked. Interestingly, my landlord is good friends with the owner/founder of Pipedream speakers. He said he'd take me over to his place sometime to check out his work. He tells me they are supposed to be damn good speakers. I'm excited!

I still hafta try acetone.Be very careful. Acetone may be very unforgiving of those cones if they are the wrong plastic. A bit of care and a real PITA are better than a dissolved cone. Unlike paper, would be very difficult to patch.

But, no kidding. Send along the NS-500Ms whenever you feel like it. I'm only a sub away from a 5.1 set-up (just picked up a DSP-1).

When are you going to try those new speaker wires?

I'm a diy'er, but for the PITA and possible errors to be made, I think $210 total investment for that pair ( 50 + 160 in new surrounds and labor) is a good deal. And you don't get your hands dirty, you keep a valuable speaker repair shop in business, etc.

I'd never pay someone to cut my grass, but I know to some that seems like the obvious choice. What, me cut the grass??

But I do think you have the right to DIY, and saving a buck is a very good thing. Be careful and good luck!

Stack is beautiful I. For visual impact factor, you're not getting any more elsewhere. That would be eight 10" woofers moving air. :)

I had gone with a stacked pair of Epicure 100s on 150s, all in wood veneer. In the end given the right source, the M150s themselves on 12" stand were perferable to the stack, the audible difference being ever so subtle. -sf

I've got to be honest, prepping these woofers royally sucks. The adhesive on the frame really doesn't want to come off, although I am getting it, slowly but surely. I've just been keeping in mind that I am saving myself about $120 doing this myself, and I have a project to work on. I do have a question - there is a thin film of glue around the edge of the woofers, its tacky and nearly impossible to get off, would I be OK leaving this and putting the surround glue over it, or is this a no-no? I want to do this right, but if its not too big of a deal then I won't bother with it. Thanks!

never done a polycone driver Ib, but acetone and an exacto knife/blade works most excellent on paper cones. I scrape all the glue off, PITA.

The guys at Midwest Spaeker Repair recommended putting the
surround on the backside of the woofer, but from the factory they are on the front. Should I stick with factory, or put the surrounds on the backside of the woofers like they recommended?

Oh, also, the guys at MSR definately would have preferred that I let them refoam them. I mean come on, 4 woofers for em. They seemed fairly reluctant to help me, and made it sound like its as difficult as brain surgery. Ah well, I got the stuff and will probably glue the surrounds to the cones tonight. They actually had a pair of RS-6000's in for repair, thought that was kinda neat.

Hi Aaron
Sorry a little late to the party, goo gone is the stuff you need to remove the factory glue. Worked great on my Infinity 4.5 Watkins woofer and didn't hurt the poly cones a bit, cleaned them up like new :thmbsp:
Also I the Mat surrounds work great on infinities!
Good luck with those.
Army

I got some acetone and its working great! Doesn't hurt the cone and it eats right through the adhesive, this should make short work of cleaning them up. Any comments on foam placement, it'd help me out a ton!

This, my friends, is what a clean Infinity woofer looks like :D ONE down, 3 to go...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Cleanwoofer.jpg

I'd do them the way they came from the factory, but :dunno:

I decided to run the foam around the back edge of the woofers. I have 2 surrounds glued to their cones, and although tricky (and sticky), its really not that bad. I think it looks neat with the foam behind the cone too. I'll post a few pics once I get the other 2 done, ambition is running out for the day...

All the surrounds are attached to their cones and are drying. I cleaned up the woofers as best I could so they look nice and neat, little to no stray glue to see through the woofers. Tomorrow I'll glue the surrounds to the frames. I'm done for the night, I'm beat.

how'd you make out aaron? :scratch2:

Sorry its been a while since I updated, I lost my wireless internet sometime Saturday night and its still down, so my posts will probably be few and far between until I get that taken care of. I got 1 done, no VC rub or anything, works great, 3 to go...

It should be noted that doing this with the poly woofers is somewhat difficult, and if I were to do it again, I'd have this done by Midwest. It doesn't look bad by any means, but its not as clean of a job as it could be. Ah well, it was a good experience, they turned out decent and work great, I will probably just end up leaving the grills on the speakers. I'll post pics once I'm done and let you guys judge.

its good to hear that your almost done.cant wait to see the pictures of the finished product. :thmbsp:
chris

Sorry for the double post, but this belongs over here...

I just have to install the last 2 woofers into the cabinet and I'll be ready to rock. I am rather surprised at how good they look, now that I got the gaskets on. I took some pictures along the way, so I'll post those tonight if I get my internet back (fingers crossed). I listened to one of them last night that I had completed, and dang it sounds good! I also was reminded of just how much power they require to be driven properly, as my Toshiba micro system power amp clicked off for a few seconds. Oops! Its ok, but makes me glad that I have 300 WPC feeding my main pair. I was thinking I'd sell these once I got them done, but man, after listening to them I'm thinking I'll keep em for a while. Pics to come.

cant wait to see the pics and im glad to see you got them up and running propery with no problems.good luck with the internet too :thmbsp:

Hell yeah, internet connection is back, lotsa pics coming after class and my workout :thmbsp:

These are from when I glued down the surrounds to the frames. Notice how you can see the brown adhesive through the poly woofer, because I opted to put the surround behind the woofer. IMO, its hideous, but if you're not looking for it, barely noticeable.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Clothespins1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Clothespins2.jpg

SO glad to have these done, what a project! I'd like to hear some thoughts/opinions (ie - how do they look [be honest]?). Thanks!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Speaker1done.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Speaker2done.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/Inspiribomb/Refoamed.jpg

No love?

You need to spray paint those bases. Is that what you meant?

Well, aside from the obvious (which you've already pointed out), I think they look perfect. Great job! - Mark

Never liked the look of poly cones. :worried: Those look like great sounding speakers... are they? :scratch2:

Well, I was referring to the woofers, but other comments are welcome too. I agree, YB2, they need to be painted.

Something in a hot pink? Seriously they look great. How will you eventually run them, together or in seperate systems? Enjoy them either way!

cubdog

Looks like you did some good work on some mighty fine speakers. I agree with the others about the looks of polycones in general, but it works with these, me thinks. I've also always liked that little detail concerning the base. My Q2s have the same board base and it works well to make the speakers seem to float slightly above the carpeting. Paint? Who needs paint on the bottom unless this is the pair you're going to have upside down on the others.

Good work.
- JP

Tough love. :D

Nice looking work. I would like to hear a set. Don't think I've ever been into an audio shop that carried Infinity speakers, now that I think of it. Pretty odd, as I've been in quite a few and was a widely distributed and respected brand. I've listened to TA's set of Amazings and they are very nice. With eight woofers you have the same number that the Amazing has. Quite a few inches less EMIT, but made up for by having two more mid-domes. Perhaps they would sound better side-by-side rather than stacked. Setting them for max soundstage might be tricky if side-by-side.

I'm going to put the NS-500 inverted on top of the NS-1000M. Will be a set of Yamaha 'Watt Puppies'. :)

Oops....guess those Amazings are Carvers and not Infinities.

Thank you to all for the comments/criticism :thmbsp:

Those look like great sounding speakers... are they?

I think so. Haven't heard anything for the money that can touch em. I personally like the look of the poly cones on these, but they show that hideous adhesive through. Ah well. I love the sound of the poly woofers.

How will you eventually run them, together or in seperate systems?

Not sure, might resurrect the "tower of power" as I called it when they were stacked, that sounded amazing. I have to play a little bit. Probly won't use them with the Toshiba system, as it doesn't push the woofers very well.

A couple times I was tempted to cut corners on the refoam job because it was long, hard and tedious, but now I'm glad I didn't, as they turned out great and I can be fairly proud of my work :D Just gotta break in that damn foam now!

Keep going, kid. Yer on an audio path, ands in my book that is never bad. Lots of fun and enjoyment to be had with audio, for years. Read, listen, play. You'll keep evolving your understanding and your tastes, and the journey is so fun, eh?

guess im kinda late to the party .anyways they look great :thmbsp: you did a good job(at least probally better than what i could do :D )i bet they sound good also.enjoy!!!!!!!
chris

an idea

maybe, just maybe, if you painted the portion of the polycone that you can see the glue through black(to match the surrounds), that might do the trick(wouldn't see that nasty adhesive anymore) :headscrat

Bolly, I thought about using a black permanent marker to go over the part where that brown adhesive shows through, but thought better of it. I think it would make them look cheesy, and once I am done breaking them in I will probly put the covers back on anyway.

At any rate, I've been listening to them almost constantly when at home, and the woofers have loosened up a bit. I am very pleased with them, and they sound great! What a nice reward for all my hard work :D Once they are pretty well broken in, I am thinking I will re-erect the "tower of power" and see how that sounds once again :naughty: Neighbors, small children and the elderly (and my ears), BEWARE!!!

Say, why are you selling these speakers? Are you upgrading to a better Infinity model?

- JP

I decided that its time to move up in the world of speakers. I am quite satisfied with my amps, etc, but I'd like to move up to something else. I am particularly looking into the Yamaha NS-1000. After hearing the NS-500's that I picked up for YB2, I would really like a pair of the 1000's for myself.

I decided that its time to move up in the world of speakers. I am quite satisfied with my amps, etc, but I'd like to move up to something else. I am particularly looking into the Yamaha NS-1000. After hearing the NS-500's that I picked up for YB2, I would really like a pair of the 1000's for myself.


It's too bad I don't have the current funds to pick the RS6000s up....damn water pump on my car! They look great, and I'd love to stack them myself. :D

Btw, cool hats in the pics.

Btw, cool hats in the pics.

Thanks, I collect them. I have a few others scattered about my place.

I've always loved Emit's and their polydome mids. Makes me long for days of yore when I heard my first pair of Infinity's at an audio shop. Quantum 3's with two Emits and their watkins woofer and I was in love.

The 6000's had punchier bass, but I still liked the whole effect.

RS-6000A's followed me home... not sure what's going to happen to them...the EMIT sounds exceptional, but it's an unbalanced speaker overall.

Nicely modern radius'ed front!

Needs a midrange between the woofers and the tweeter/supertweeters. This was why my HPM-100's didn't stay a week.

But I've been listening lately to Polks and Dahlquists and Bozaks, all with dedicated 5 to 8" mids...as Agent Starling says, I'm developing a taste for it... :D

as aways YMMV