View Full Version : Tale of Three 'Coons
SansuiSamRI
10-23-2005, 02:48 AM
You may think I'm a professional raccoon trapper with these pics but I'm cleaning out my neighborhood of the creeps that ate my goldfish this summer. The first two were caught the first night and the last caught on the fourteenth night. There are two more to go. They have a new zip code.
The pics were taken with an older Casio D-360L digital with a flash. I reduced them by 50% to 640X480.
Trailer:
None of the animals in this production were harmed in any way.
Morden2004
10-23-2005, 05:03 AM
Great work, Trapper Sam! I have a few here too if you're interested. :D
Paul
fotno
10-23-2005, 07:45 AM
Sam I could trap for the next thirty years, and never trap the local population out. Those guys (along with 'possums) are thick as thieves around here. Good to see you're culling the local boys out of your goldfish pond anyway!
mhardy6647
10-23-2005, 07:55 AM
Raccoons were gone here for some time due to a rabies epidemic in the early 1990's, but they started coming back in a big way about 3 years ago. Now, I have to bring all my bird feeders in at night :-( Fricking 'coons...
Last week, I found out that there's also a bear living in the conservation land behind us, which has also been victimizing neighborhood bird feeders.
I'd love to have a pond, but I wouldn't even TRY putting fish in it here.
fotno
10-23-2005, 08:00 AM
Oh yeah, bears, got a few of them too. Along with the recently re-introduced red wolves that seem to really be taking up like kudzu. I hate Kudzu.
SansuiSamRI
10-24-2005, 11:14 PM
Make that four. They seem to like sardines in mustard sauce. A fifth one sat 10 feet away from me while I had #4 in the trap. I expect him any minute.
Manitoulin
10-25-2005, 06:05 AM
Bait them with White Castle burgers. Once they eat one, they will never come back...
What....
No more sushi for the little guys:)
Sandy G
10-25-2005, 07:26 AM
Oh, yeah...Possums, bears, wolves/coyotes..& DEER. Feckin' things are like rats w/antlers...They'll make short work of muy expensivo shrubs, flowers, fruit trees...incredible. Bears aren't bad here, but over in the Smokies, they'll come to town & raid the dumpsters, especially when we've had a dry summer like we've had.-Sandy G.
gonzothegreat
10-25-2005, 11:26 AM
Bait them with White Castle burgers. Once they eat one, they will never come back...
But then you would find me in the trap. :)
Yeah I know some people think theyre disgusting. Their loss.
fotno
10-25-2005, 11:29 AM
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger Gonzo - I haven't had a White Castle in years, but they were a fave treat back in my Hot-Roddin' days.
piece-it pete
10-25-2005, 12:11 PM
DEER. Feckin' things are like rats w/antlers...They'll make short work of muy expensivo shrubs, flowers, fruit trees...incredible.
No kidding, giant rodents. Poison saltlick.
:eek:
Pete
gyusher
10-25-2005, 12:27 PM
My buddie trapped one once, had her in a cage in the back of his pickup driving around showing her to everyone. Drinking all afternoon (20 years ago) we were at around the 5th stop when my friend had taken her out of the cage for some reason, to see her better. . .
Anyway the bet was 1 case of beer that he could put her back inside the cage wearing heavy leather welder's gloves. . . He did get her back inside the cage but lost his left thumb in the process. We took him and his thumb to the ER where they promptly sewed it back on.
Fortunatly there were no Rabies involved. He kept that coon along with his three legged bob cat, another funny story. Anyway after loosing two of his prized hunting dogs to that coon she became a Saturday Bar-B-Que. One that I did not attend.
fropiler
10-25-2005, 12:30 PM
You may think I'm a professional raccoon trapper with these pics but I'm cleaning out my neighborhood of the creeps that ate my goldfish this summer. The first two were caught the first night and the last caught on the fourteenth night. There are two more to go. They have a new zip code.
The pics were taken with an older Casio D-360L digital with a flash. I reduced them by 50% to 640X480.
Trailer:
None of the animals in this production were harmed in any way.
These cones are unharmed as well.
blue_lateral
10-25-2005, 01:25 PM
They dont need raccooning?
fropiler
10-25-2005, 01:34 PM
They dont need raccooning?
But at least we know where to find some when they do.
WhiteSE
10-25-2005, 02:07 PM
I dont get it...everyone seems to live in more or less a natural environment, but at the same time, after encroaching the natural habitat, the original inhabitants are the pests? I think its the other way around....
Now, if you have animals, fish or whatever in your backyard, and you live next to the woods, what would you expect? I dont think its right trapping the raccoons for doing what they are doing...Its the goldfish that were out of place, if you ask me.
To me, if you live in a natural setting, be tolerant of its good and inconvinient aspects, without having to resort to "remodeling".
fropiler
10-25-2005, 02:13 PM
I dont get it...everyone seems to live in more or less a natural environment, but at the same time, after encroaching the natural habitat, the original inhabitants are the pests? I think its the other way around....
Now, if you have animals, fish or whatever in your backyard, and you live next to the woods, what would you expect? I dont think its right trapping the raccoons for doing what they are doing...Its the goldfish that were out of place, if you ask me.
To me, if you live in a natural setting, be tolerant of its good and inconvinient aspects, without having to resort to "remodeling".
:lurk:
SansuiSamRI
10-25-2005, 07:47 PM
Raccoons often have roundworm and can carry a form of rabies. They could kill my cat or dog, not to mention what they could do to my neighbor's kids. They are too friendly toward humans, but corner one of them and you'll be missing a thumb or worse. If they weren't a nuisance I could live with them. We also have cougars in the area. They don't mix with humans very well either.
WhiteSE
10-25-2005, 07:52 PM
Well, yeah, no crap,,,a lot of wildlife has diseases, but is that a sealant of their fate? Again, with the logic that they could be a menace, might as well exterminate all animals, because eventually we will encroach every freaking square inch of surface there is...
Of course cougars dont mix well with humans, especially if they dont have any place to go..you didnt say anything new...but just the same argument that damns anything that is in our way.
gyusher
10-25-2005, 07:53 PM
You are out there in Washington State.. . I lived in Oregon (Eugene) for 35 years or more. This thing I was talking about happened in Lebanon, Oregon. . . .
Raccoons often have roundworm and can carry a form of rabies. They could kill my cat or dog, not to mention what they could do to my neighbor's kids. They are too friendly toward humans, but corner one of them and you'll be missing a thumb or worse. If they weren't a nuisance I could live with them. We also have cougars in the area. They don't mix with humans very well either.
SansuiSamRI
10-25-2005, 10:22 PM
As I'm writing this, there are two of them on my deck. If the door was open, they'd be coming inside. I shine a light on them and they don't leave. Hey whitese, I'll take this one to the vet before I release it to get it's flu shot. Humans rule.
WhiteSE
10-26-2005, 04:26 AM
Hey whitese, I'll take this one to the vet before I release it to get it's flu shot. Humans rule.
What a compassionate guy...
piece-it pete
10-26-2005, 08:05 AM
White, as I grew up being taught the love of nature, I do understand where you're coming from, but here in N.E. Ohio we've got a huge issue. No or not enough predators, so the deer population has passed an unsustainable point (MORE than there were before us settling). So in winter they denude huge areas of forest and the like and starve to death.
As far as adding predators back into nature (and I've always admired cougars particularly) wait until a kid gets eaten by wolves or a big cat, heck a wolf pack'll take down one of us!
I've heard tell that you can chase off coons easily, just shoot them with a bb gun when you see them. Stings with no damage, they're pretty smart, after a couple hits when they see you they'll run, and think before they rummage.
Pete
Morden2004
10-26-2005, 03:07 PM
White, as I grew up being taught the love of nature, I do understand where you're coming from, but here in N.E. Ohio we've got a huge issue. No or not enough predators, so the deer population has passed an unsustainable point (MORE than there were before us settling). So in winter they denude huge areas of forest and the like and starve to death.
As far as adding predators back into nature (and I've always admired cougars particularly) wait until a kid gets eaten by wolves or a big cat, heck a wolf pack'll take down one of us!
I've heard tell that you can chase off coons easily, just shoot them with a bb gun when you see them. Stings with no damage, they're pretty smart, after a couple hits when they see you they'll run, and think before they rummage.
Pete
Actually, they are very smart and they learned quicker than my kids! When they (about 5 of them) decided that my backyard pool was an ideal place to dine after dark, washing their freshly dug grubs on my pool steps, I taught them that my yard was a hostile place by sitting in the dark each night for a week and knocking them off the 6 foot fence (known as "the highway") into my neighbours yard. Towards the end of the week they were trying to bypass me by jumping into a tree and moving through adjacent trees to settle at the corner awaiting my departure. However, they didn't realize that my 'coon pusher was a pool cleaning brush on a 12 foot extension - they make a lot more noise falling 12 feet to the ground.
After 1 week of 'training', they never returned. :banana2:
Paul
fropiler
10-26-2005, 03:23 PM
What a compassionate guy...
I grew up with a father who hunted, fished, trapped, etc. While he had a great respect for nature and sportsmanship, critters that became nuisance would be gone in no time.
I'm the same way. People are more important than critters.
Yes, humans are encroaching on wildlife, but we keep making babies don't we? all those humans have to go somewhere!
SansuiSamRI
10-26-2005, 04:09 PM
I am using a live trap and giving them a second opportunity in a natural wildlife resource area outside our urban area. I live in a city of 116,000 people, not really in the woods, but not being in the woods in Washington really isn't possible.
Yes, I am compassionate. I could kill them with a .22 to the head but I don't. The only reason I'm moving them is because they are a nuiance.
john_w
10-26-2005, 04:44 PM
I grew up with a father who hunted, fished, trapped, etc. While he had a great respect for nature and sportsmanship, critters that became nuisance would be gone in no time.
I'm the same way. People are more important than critters.
Yes, humans are encroaching on wildlife, but we keep making babies don't we? all those humans have to go somewhere!
I have pretty much the same story.
Jeeez, you even use the compassionate, live-trap relocation method and you STILL get razzed for it!
People have been at odds with OTHER animals since there have been...well, people and other animals. In fact, pretty much every critter finds itself at odds with most every other critter. THAT is the way of nature. If you don't like to see caged and displaced coons, just look at how other animals would handle those coons if they felt encroached upon.
I never understood why people (well, non-native people anyhow) have to make this false distinction between people in their environment, and animals in what we call "nature". As much as we try to create our little isolation from reality, the fact is, man and other animals share the same one. Like it or not, we are PART OF nature.
BTW, we've had serious mouse problems around here. I killed about 18 mice so far this fall. With the help of a tenant, I killed about 26 this past winter. Yes, I'm an evil murderer, but I'll be less likely to die of Hanta Virus.
SansuiSamRI
10-26-2005, 05:23 PM
Yeah I am getting razzed for it.
I thought the argument would have been why are letting a perfectly good coon loose. That's like going to the freezer and throwing a prime rib in the trash!
john_w
10-26-2005, 05:35 PM
That's like going to the freezer and throwing a prime rib in the trash!
Naaaaaah. Too stringy. But they make good caps if you skin 'em!
SansuiSamRI
10-26-2005, 06:01 PM
You gotta put 'em in a slow cooker. Burning them or even roasting them without marinating is against the law as this link tells the tale - http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=1076016666&fa=1. The judge was mad cause they didn't season the meat right.
WhiteSE
10-26-2005, 06:11 PM
I dont think that animals encroaching other animals is the same as human habitats encroaching on the them...we encroach by the thousand and destroy thousand of acres in a matter of years...I have a degree in Biology and studided wildlife biology and I am aware of how other animals deal with territory invasion..but non of those events compare with the wholesale killing and displacement that takes place nowadays. I understand that man is part of nature, but we have the cognitive ability to make choices, while animals are guided invariably by an instinct.
Even the Romans managed to hunt animals to extinction in northern africa,,,but who would have thought that after 2000 years would have made up a bit more sensitive to the natural world, that as someone said above, we are part of.
Over and out.
Now, I guess its all justified because we keep making babies...
WhiteSE
10-26-2005, 06:14 PM
Actually, its the not the trapping that I was razzing about because you didnt harm them...I was arguing the bigger picture and thats where our opinions diverge...
nosirrah
10-26-2005, 06:18 PM
I support Sams effort in relocating the raccoon population at his place, and think he may be acting far more compassionatly than I would given the circumstances...I had a cat relocation program here for awhile, Fluffy and the band took to my yard and gardens to make wild noisy love till all hours of the evening, not only ruined many nights sleep but the cat excrement took a major toll on my strawberries..the local animal control will happily loan a live trap, then you call them or simply return it when it is full...
I have made small contact devices for the moles in the back yard, but that is another story..
wanna strawberry?
Casey :lock:
SansuiSamRI
10-26-2005, 06:34 PM
We're not arguing the bigger picture and you don't know if our opinions diverge. All you know is I used a live trap to move nusiance coons.
fropiler
10-26-2005, 06:49 PM
I dont think that animals encroaching other animals is the same as human habitats encroaching on the them...we encroach by the thousand and destroy thousand of acres in a matter of years...I have a degree in Biology and studided wildlife biology and I am aware of how other animals deal with territory invasion..but non of those events compare with the wholesale killing and displacement that takes place nowadays. I understand that man is part of nature, but we have the cognitive ability to make choices, while animals are guided invariably by an instinct.
Over and out.
Now, I guess its all justified because we keep making babies...
Looks like you got my point. :deadhorse
SansuiSamRI
10-26-2005, 09:31 PM
I was going to post some pics of the wood panels I made for my Kenwood KR-6600. But we may have a tree hugger lurking about. No offense taken. I'm a member of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation but I don't like Greenpeace. Everyone can probably guess why.
john_w
10-26-2005, 09:33 PM
Oh, man, fropiler -- this is definitely NOT the time for your tendancy towards equestrian abuse! :)
(Sorry - I was planning to let that drop from now on, but this time it was just too ironic!)
WhiteSE - I believe that, at least to a large extent, I actually agree with you on the big picture. But I suppose an in-depth philosophical discussion on the subject amounts to a thread hijack which I was actually doing a lot to perpetuate. For my part of it, I apologize.
Now, what's a good recipe for crock pot coon?
WhiteSE
10-27-2005, 04:26 AM
Now, what's a good recipe for crock pot coon?
Juat add salt...
WhiteSE
10-27-2005, 04:31 AM
I was going to post some pics of the wood panels I made for my Kenwood KR-6600. But we may have a tree hugger lurking about.
Well, the labelling has began I guess...although I do drive a gas guzzling 1989 Bronco with a 5.8 Liter V8....
piece-it pete
10-27-2005, 07:06 AM
Well, the labelling has began I guess...although I do drive a gas guzzling 1989 Bronco with a 5.8 Liter V8....
Sacre' blu!
Darn gas guzzling tree-huggers. What's this world coming to anyways....
lol. It's tough to enjoy primitive camping without a 4x4!
Pete
john_w
10-27-2005, 12:12 PM
A good friend and ex-roommate of mine is a forester - works for the Michigan DNR. He is a self-proclaimed "tree hugger" - wears the label with pride! I have no problem with it - people in his professions know the difference between scientifically based conservation and reactionary BS. (WhiteSE - that's not directed towards you.)
I use a "rice burning" 4x4 (Toyota) - doesn't guzzle quite as much. However, I used to live near the Detroit area and I know they don't take kindly to "rice burners" up there. And of course, I couldn't help but notice that the veteran AK crowd is loaded with Michiganians. You really can't win: You either get beat up by the "buy American only" crowd, or you get beat up by the "tree hugger" crowd. So you might as well do whatever seems best to you!
Jeez - I didn't intend to turn this into a soapbox kind of thing. I'll step off it now.
SansuiSamRI
10-27-2005, 09:01 PM
Well, the labelling has began I guess...although I do drive a gas guzzling 1989 Bronco with a 5.8 Liter V8....
And who started the labelling Whitese? Or was it the silver wire issue that got your nickers in a twist?
hpsenicka
10-27-2005, 09:08 PM
You boys need to play nice.... this thread is being locked before it gets nasty... :lock:
RuSsMaN
10-27-2005, 10:15 PM
I've already received 1 complaint, let's reel her back in a notch or two.
Cheers,
Russ
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