View Full Version : TechDAS Air Force One turntable- cutting edge analogue?


thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:07 PM
“It is the most revealing analogue source I have ever heard... Period.”

TechDAS Air Force One turntable – Ken Kessler, Hi-Fi News (June 2013)

thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:08 PM
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thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:08 PM
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thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:09 PM
The story here....

http://www.absolutesounds.com/pdf/main/press/AirForceOne_HiFiNews_June2013wcover.pdf

Littletoot
05-31-2013, 01:15 PM
Cutting edge? Hardly. Just another blinged up cord driven piece of eye candy, that's all. There is no more 'cutting edge' in vinyl reproduction, at least as far as tables go (and probably carts, too). It's all been tried, re-tried, modified, modified again, ad infinitum. The vacuum you see is actually aimed at the consumer's wallet.

btus
05-31-2013, 01:19 PM
Beautiful turntable,what I don't understand is the need for airflow to the vacuum chamber.A vacuum is the Absence of air,therefore once the air is dispelled there is no need to feed it with more air.

MikeCh
05-31-2013, 01:21 PM
Cutting edge? Hardly. Just another blinged up cord driven piece of eye candy, that's all. There is no more 'cutting edge' in vinyl reproduction, at least as far as tables go (and probably carts, too). It's all been tried, re-tried, modified, modified again, ad infinitum. The vacuum you see is actually aimed at the consumer's wallet.


Unbelievable....

JohnVF
05-31-2013, 01:28 PM
I don't understand the statement in the article where the designer "wants to achieve dynamic range reproduction by analogue that can not be achieved with high end digital".

The dynamic range inherent in high resolution digital, as a format, exceeds what is possible in an LP. I'm not sure where this turntable is going to imagine what can not be there in the first place.

That said, it looks like an awesome exercise in taking something to its extreme. I'd love to hear it. It's kind of an ugly beast but so many uber-tables are (to my eyes).

Beautiful turntable,what I don't understand is the need for airflow to the vacuum chamber.A vacuum is the Absence of air,therefore once the air is dispelled there is no need to feed it with more air.

I might be remembering a different table but I think in this one there's a little puff of air that unlocks the record from the platter, to release it. But that might have been another vacuum table. Regardless you need to have an airflow connection between the vacuum pump and the platter.

thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:36 PM
I don't understand the statement in the article where the designer "wants to achieve dynamic range reproduction by analogue that can not be achieved with high end digital". ...

I hear you.

thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:38 PM
Beautiful turntable,what I don't understand is the need for airflow to the vacuum chamber.A vacuum is the Absence of air,therefore once the air is dispelled there is no need to feed it with more air.

I think John has it correct- airflow as in "suction" and then airflow to allow release afterward.

bogle111
05-31-2013, 01:45 PM
Beautiful turntable,what I don't understand is the need for airflow to the vacuum chamber.A vacuum is the Absence of air,therefore once the air is dispelled there is no need to feed it with more air.

It may be because of leakage. Most vacuum systems leak a little because of the hole in the middle of the record not being air-tight, but presumably this would go on and on and on and...:scratch2:

I believe in vacuum clamping, but I only need a vacuum to last 40 minutes.

thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:50 PM
I love your Sony PS-X70. I also would love to own a PS-X9.

That said....

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/vpi-makes-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-tonearm-for-turntables/

http://www.hpsoundings.com/2013/04/ny-audio-show-cake-turntables-and-the-future-of-vpi-industries/

http://hi-fi-avenue.blogspot.com/2010/02/more-on-rega-p10-turntable.html

http://www.welltemperedlab.net/welltemperedlab/

thedelihaus
05-31-2013, 01:51 PM
It may be because of leakage. Most vacuum systems leak a little because of the hole in the middle of the record not being air-tight, but presumably this would go on and on and on and...:scratch2:

I believe in vacuum clamping, but I only need a vacuum to last 40 minutes.

Yeppers. Any loss due to leakage will need to be evaluated and the vacuum regulated.

Billfort
05-31-2013, 07:39 PM
Moderation note; this is an open warning to 'Littletoot'. Your thread crap has been deleted [Edit: Later undeleted]- do that again in this forum and you'll find yourself outside as per the rules here.

dokblues
06-01-2013, 09:03 PM
Wow that is one amazing turntable and certainly worth a listen if given the opportunity! Thanks for posting it Paul.

Littletoot
06-02-2013, 12:26 AM
Moderation note; this is an open warning to 'Littletoot'. Your thread crap has been deleted - do that again in this forum and you'll find yourself outside as per the rules here.

Thread crap? I have an opinion you twat. If you don't like it, fine. But then maybe you actually own one of these. Oh well. Now I understand.

Negotiableterms
06-03-2013, 11:06 PM
Cutting edge? Hardly. Just another blinged up cord driven piece of eye candy, that's all.

Insulting to the OP.

There is no more 'cutting edge' in vinyl reproduction, at least as far as tables go (and probably carts, too). It's all been tried, re-tried, modified, modified again, ad infinitum.

A thread crap, since we're in TCE, which has specific rules precisely to get rid of these kind of discussion-ending attacks.


The vacuum you see is actually aimed at the consumer's wallet.

Cheapskate crusading.

Let's see... that ought to be three strikes, but we'll give a discount since they're all in one post: Strikes One and Two.


Moderation note; this is an open warning to 'Littletoot'. Your thread crap has been deleted - do that again in this forum and you'll find yourself outside as per the rules here.

Bill, my friend, you are a model of restraint and decorum. It's that whole Canadian thing, right?

Thread crap? I have an opinion you twat. If you don't like it, fine. But then maybe you actually own one of these. Oh well. Now I understand.

Commenting on moderation - Strike Three
Insulting a Moderator - Strike Four

AK moderators are unpaid volunteers, and don't have to take this kind of abuse. This is a special-rules forum, which has been clear from Day One. Even with volume discounts, that's enough strikes to make the ban permanent.

We're going to leave the posts up as an object lesson, but if they offend everyone, or if the OP objects, they'll follow the offender into the endless dark; just let us know.

Meanwhile, Paul, thanks for posting this, I found it fascinating, and I don't even do vinyl!

ManyMoonsAudio
06-03-2013, 11:26 PM
Cool table indeed!

I saw a video demo some time ago where a guy was rapping on the record while it was playing and it did not make a sound through the speakers. Pretty flippin cool if you ask me, and I'm digging on its looks!

Edit: Here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=air%20force%20one%20turntable&source=video&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7I8 CMva0c0g&ei=8l-tUe7uI4jW9QThiIC4Aw&usg=AFQjCNHgxll_FTds2HqR1AxRsro5bv5kuA) it is.

NavinJohnson
06-04-2013, 09:26 AM
turntable troll bait in TCE.

hilarious.

that cutaway of the table looks pretty cool.

rcspkramp
06-04-2013, 11:51 AM
Obviously engineered to a very high standard. I love the look and I'd love to hear one.

EWizard
06-04-2013, 12:03 PM
I would totally buy one if I won the lottery.
Looks great I think, and I'm sure it sounds even better.