Am I the only one that despises his stupid Old Man Surrounded By Hot Women Dancing videos of late??

the music sucks anyway!

I liked his first three albums (Santana - Abraxas - III). He lost me after that. I purchased "Supernatural" when it came out. Pretty much hated the production values and all the "famous-this-week-guest-vocalists".

I agree about the 1st 3 albums, I also like "Blues for Salvador"

As for his recent stuff, I agree, but I do think it would be kind of nice if I was surrounded by Hot Dancing Women when I am his age ... :D

I remember he did a cover of Bryan Hyland's 1970-71 hit "Gypsy Woman" back about 1991 or so that was pretty good, he didn't "Santana-ize" it too much. But a lot of his stuff is way too overwrought for me. And that gawdawful "Little bit of this, a little bit of that" song from a couple years ago-Please ! No more ! More annoying than a couple of skeletons copulating on a tin roof in the middle of a particularly violent thunderstorm...-Sandy G.

Santana with Greg Rolie :)

Santana w/o Greg Rolie :sigh:

Journey with Greg Rolie :)

Journey w/o Greg Rolie :sigh:

Greg Rolie is a very underrated mucisian. :yes:

Carl

I read a Guitar World article some years ago, that stated Santana was "one of those rare musicians, that can be identified immediately by a single note". In this same group were folks like BB King, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix... You get the idea. While I agree with that summation to a degree, when Supernatural hit, and succeeded wildly, he commited one of the cardinal sins in Fotno-land. He made me tired of his sound. The piece of music that I can hear daily for months, and still enjoy listening to is rare. And Santana has never been on my daily-listen list.

Hey, I used to like Stairway to Heaven too - about a hundred years ago.

Santana, just as Phill Collins has done, has lent his best songs and his guest playing appearance to many "rap" artists for the sole purpose of - money! Last year I was in Houston with the wife and we walked into a GAP store to buy some stuff for our daughter. They have TV's playing music videos all over the place. I heard the familiar "I can feel it....coming in the air tonight...." over the speakers but something was different. There was this driving bass note that I'd never heard before. The chorus came again and by the time I looked up at a monitor to see the video I just about shit my own pants......their was this black rapper rapping his own words over Collin's gorgeous and moody chorus! Phill Collins was standing behind the rapper dressed in a long black trenchcoat. WTF!?!?!?! Can you say "SELL OUT????" Same with Santana, playing with many rap stars. Hell, even Country music knows no bounds - who was the peice of sh*t that played a duet with Kid Rock? Holy freakin christ!!! This was just a prelude to what was coming.....the inevitable hostile takover of all of our praised hits from the 70's and 80's by comatose rappers and finally Regeton!!! Brain dead fast talkers with no clue on writing their own material that they pay for older established hits so they can talk street garbage over the original voice while almost totally naked (not necessarily a bad thing) girls dance around the screen. The fact that the bare asses that jiggle like too much junk in the trunk are made as a diliberate distraction to the singers inability to sing and write is no coincidence.

Yeah, today's music sucks. You can have your own opinion and say there are still plenty of stations on the dial. But last time I checked my dial I found 5 rap stations, 4 regeton stations, 4 country, 1 classical, and 1 rock station. And that 1 rock station is playing rap commercials. Fuck eMpTV and Clearchannel!

Carlos Santana.So much to say about this 58-year-old Mexican-born virtuoso
guitarist who stole the show at Woodstock,introduced Latin rock to the masses,
made arty records with John MacLaughlin,Buddy Miles,Alice Coltrane and Wayne Shorter.
Someone said in a moment in time,that Clapton was God. For me, Santana for a moment in time was like God.There is only good vibrations when Santana plays, even now.

Viva Santana. :thmbsp:

Viva Milagro :thmbsp:

clint.

Right on, Clint. :thmbsp:

To me his music is soothing to the soul. His newer sellout stuff might suck, but it is turning a lot of younger people into fans of his older stuff. Which is a good thing. :yes:
He also has a ton of albums most people haven't heard of, his obscure stuff is wonderful as well.

If your referring to Hank Williams Jr I think you need to get over it. Their combined musics were great to many and exposed a whole new generation to country music.

I have no real opinion of Santana since most of his stuff was to my liking..

Mixing any music with rap just makes rap seem even more unoriginal. Rap is driven by dollars plain an simple.

Mixing any music with rap just makes rap seem even more unoriginal. Rap is driven by dollars plain an simple.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. The term "rap music" is an oxymoron.

I like a good deal of Santana's body of work but agree that his later material seems to be about going with the trends. Makes me wonder where the muses that guided him on "Love, Devotion, and Surrender" have flown off to now.

Mixing any music with rap just makes rap seem even more unoriginal. Rap is driven by dollars plain an simple.

Totally agree. The term "rap music" is an oxymoron.

I like a good deal of Santana's body of work but agree that his later material seems to be about going with the trends. Makes me wonder where the muses that guided him on "Love, Devotion, and Surrender" have flown off to now.[/QUOTE]

I just pick up your words :

"Love, Devotion, and Surrender" :

To all forms of art, race, religion, politics and respect for all humankind and social status or condition.

...and whatever you like or not, even Rap is an art form.

"Love, Devotion, and Surrender". :lock:

clint. :thmbsp:

...and whatever you like or not, even Rap is an art form.


clint. :thmbsp:

I guess you haven't heard of Eminem, Nelly, 50 Cent, Ludicris, Bone Thugz, etc. :thumbsdn:

At best, rap is an expression of ones ideals (namely the black community, which is where rap originated and made popular by). Not all expression of ideals is art.

I guess you haven't heard of Eminem, Nelly, 50 Cent, Ludicris, Bone Thugz, etc. :thumbsdn:

Hey Jimmy :wave:

I know a little of Rap because of my older son, and of course most of it i do not like. But there some apealing tunes in some of the rap. I think like rock music as well.
After all like all art forms.

clint.

Clint......I hear ya. It is a shame though, isin't it. Personaly I know nothing about rap - and I don't want to even try to "give it a chance". Rap is the root of all evil. It is no coincidence that society has reached a pinnacle and new low in moral selfishness, and ......ahhhh, forget it.

God I hate rap!

Take it easy Clint! :)

Rap is the root of all evil.

Well, that's just plain stupid. I don't care for the music either but I do question your ideology concerning this genre.

I had the old more esoteric LP's of Santana and John McLaughlin etc etc...I still cant get into his playing....Now, John McLaughlin has improved leaps and bounds and I love the guy's music now, same with Al Dimeola...Santana on the other hand....recognizing him by one note means nothing...that is just a superlative qualifier that industry likes to use to pump up image....

Well, that's just plain stupid. I don't care for the music either but I do question your ideology concerning this genre.

Question what you will, but I think it's more stupid for you to question someone else's opinion as if it were a law. :thumbsdn:

As for the "genre", whenever an "artist" sings about raping his mother, killing police, banging your ho neighbor, etc, well I don't see that as art. Their target audience are kids. I don't want my kids hearing that, unless I'm looking to raise another Columbine screwup. There's a thin line between artistry and just plain nonsense.

Talking about that....I have many black/white students in my classroom here rural GA that have the ghetto mentality and demeanor...its kind of retarded if you ask me,,and I tell them so. Here in rural GA, where your worst nightmare may be a rooster making noise before dawn. What do these kids now about the violence, anxiety and typical ghetto life in the big cities...I tell them that Its not them...stop being posers and hit the books!!
Especially the females...its like watching cockfights for 6 hrs a day...

Question what you will, but I think it's more stupid for you to question someone else's opinion as if it were a law. :thumbsdn:

As for the "genre", whenever an "artist" sings about raping his mother, killing police, banging your ho neighbor, etc, well I don't see that as art. Their target audience are kids. I don't want my kids hearing that, unless I'm looking to raise another Columbine screwup. There's a thin line between artistry and just plain nonsense.

Not law, just your stupidity.

Have a good evening dude.

Whatever dude, it was just an opinion. You didn't have to call me, or anyone else "stupid" just because their opinion differs from yours. Personal attacks are not tolerated here on AK and I'm sure you'll be visited by the Mod squad to tell you how they handle personal attacks.

Goodnight.-----Jimmy

Whatever dude, it was just an opinion. You didn't have to call me, or anyone else "stupid" just because their opinion differs from yours. Personal attacks are not tolerated here on AK and I'm sure you'll be visited by the Mod squad to tell you how they handle personal attacks.

Goodnight.-----Jimmy

You have a PM.

You have a PM.

Thank you.

To me his music is soothing to the soul. His newer sellout stuff might suck, but it is turning a lot of younger people into fans of his older stuff. Which is a good thing. :yes:
He also has a ton of albums most people haven't heard of, his obscure stuff is wonderful as well.

I'll make mine your wise words,Vi. :thmbsp:

clint.

I have one caveat...the young folks nowadays,,,,I dont see them running and buying his early stuff...they buy the new stuff....there may be exceptions of course...maybe a few of the older new fans...

I like the early Santana also, if I heard his later stuff, mostly I didn't notice it. (I have a big enough problems remembering which musician did what song on the stuff I do like and listen to, no way can I recognize all of every musicians work...) I respect his ability to play the guitar, regardless of his musical choices. There aren’t many in the music field that can claim they do it solely for the music. Maybe in some of the less mainstream genres like classical and the fringe genres, but certainly not many of the mainstream genres...


Rap/hiphop and related genres. Mostly I hate it. Why? The majority material covered (hate based, as mentioned), the general attitude of They are owed something they didn't earn, the blatant thievery of others work, whether paid for or not, (and many early rappers simply stole the work) and the attitude that they are somehow better than everybody else.

What other music genre has so many so called "artists” involved with shootings and murders?

Are there some decent talented rappers? Certainly, but I prefer not to crawl through slime for the rare diamonds to be found.

All in all I like Santana. Certainly the earlier stuff more so. There are some near transendental moments in is music. But everyone needs to make a living. Then you get what you get.

cubdog

Well, everyone has to make a living thats true..but there are many artists that make a good living without such blatant selling out...think of guys like Bill Bruford, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Howe and the Yes guys, King Crimsonites, Steve Hackett, John Mclaughlin and Dimeola, Richard Thompson, and countless others....making a living isnt a reasonable excuse, unless he needs a certain number of $$ and recognition for ego sakes.

Unfortunately most of those guys have never been heard of by most people under the age of 25. Santana may be "selling out" in certain respects, but I sure don't hear many young people caling out for "more of that Yes music". But it does seem that they are calling out for more of that Santana music. Which no matter what you think of it in simple likes and dislike terms, it is good music. I can't stand Classical, but I do recognize the art that goes into it. So, even if it seems he is everywhere, and dancing with half naked women, his quality of music has been firmly entrenched into the mainstream which has to help music in the long run. People are now thinking "Hey, lead guitar? What a great concept."
Heck, B.B. King is selling diabetes testers, that could be thought of as selling out. He must need the money and have people look at him on TV. Sheesh. Those ads just make people think about who he is and go find his tunes. That is a wonderful thing.

Carlos has commited career suicide many times. One thing he has done and continues to do is work unselfishly with other artists of all genres. One thing Carlos is above all else is a humanitarian.

I liked his first three albums (Santana - Abraxas - III). He lost me after that. I purchased "Supernatural" when it came out. Pretty much hated the production values and all the "famous-this-week-guest-vocalists".
Agreed. Most of the guys he got on that brought him down more too.

Well, selling diabetes kits is allright as you are selling with your image...selling out the music itself is not the same thing...I dont understand why making 3-4 good albums when young, justify the sellout,,,Santana himelf doesnt need to justify himself to me, but as a music lover, I dont agree with it.

Anyway, sticking to my original point, I just feel weird watching his crappy music with crappy new videos....let him cashi in i guess.