View Full Version : Design Acoustics PS-10 for $60.00


archie2
01-13-2006, 02:58 PM
I saw a pair of Design Acoustics PD-10 speakers for sale in a thrift shop for $60. Work fine so they say but I have not heard them. Any opinions as to whether this is a good deal or no? Thanks for any opinions.

kfa888
01-13-2006, 03:04 PM
Charivari will be by soon to let you know all about these.

Charivari
01-13-2006, 03:11 PM
The DA PS-10 was the top model of the "point source" series made shortly after Design Acoustics, maker of my (in)famous dodecahedrons, was bought out. The quality isn't near as high as with the original D-series, but as many of the same people were still there at the time the earlier PS speakers represent a residue of quality.

Soundwise, they're supposed to be surprisingly good for what they are and were fairly well reviewed. To that end, I've the [I]Stereo Review[I] of this model available at my Design Acoustics Yahoo! Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Design_Acoustics/). Ak member corporalcripp (http://audiokarma.org/forums/member.php?u=7454) has a pair and may be able to give you more specifics about the sound.

As to the price, $60 is fairly high for thrift store pricing, but still about half of what you'd expect to pay for a pair on eBay and you get to avoid the hazards of shipping. You should be aware that these have a down-firing 10" woofer that almost certainly has suffered from foam rot by now. Here's the specs on this model I've been able to locate:
Model: PS-10
Frequency Response: 48 Hz - 22000 Hz
Sensitivity: 90 dB/1 meter/watt @ 8 ohms
Driver Complement: 1 x 10" woofer, 1 x 5" mid, 1 x 1 1/8" poly dome tweeter Cabinet Style: Bookshelf
Dimensions/Weight: 14"x11"x13.75" 23.75 lbs
List Price: $500/pr
Crossover Frequencies: 190 Hz, 2400 Hz
Manufactured: 1983 - ?

- JP

Charivari
01-13-2006, 03:11 PM
Charivari will be by soon to let you know all about these.
Have I become so predictable? :scratch2: :)

- JP

hifi_nut
01-13-2006, 03:20 PM
Have I become so predictable? :scratch2: :)

- JP

Perhaps not, but you might just be the only living expert on those speakers in the whole wide world. :D
Jorge

HomerJSimpson
01-13-2006, 03:29 PM
I forgot I had a pair of these..! I had to replace the foam on the woofers. I love the way they look with the grill off. I also like the foam that covers the front of the cabinet. The mids and highs are GREAT, but I was a bit dissapointd with the low end. Maybe I need to break in the new foam.

Go to the Thrift store and see if the woofers have Foam Rot, If they do, point it out to the employees. They may be able lower the price!!! Works almost every time for me.

archie2
01-13-2006, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the quick and valuable replies gents. However I need to clarify that price. These are up for auction in the Goodwill Thrift Shop in Grandville, MI. The current bid is $6.00, shipping to my place adds $51.00. If the 10" woofers surrounds are shot, I'll pass. However the discription with then claims all is good. But they are sight unseen. I have no idea what the final bid will be so this is very very iffy. If they were an exceptional speaker I would pursue it. So if anybody lives in or near Grandville and wants a look-see, I will be happy to send you the auction post.

HomerJSimpson
01-13-2006, 03:32 PM
I saw the same auction, in fact I am watching it now. I have family up there! There is also a set here locally, but the guy won't budge on the price!!! I'll try again this weekend... I like these, they have possibilities.

kfa888
01-13-2006, 03:38 PM
The mids and highs are GREAT, but I was a bit dissapointd with the low end. Maybe I need to break in the new foam.

I would mess with placement and different rooms. I had Charivaris Design Acoustics here at my house which has a rear firing woofer and with my hard wood floors, 3' rock back wall and room size I found the bass very tight and full, very modern sounding almost like a sub / sat system but in a good way. He finds them lacking in bass in his setting so I think placement and room acoustics have a lot to do with these speakers. His had the original stands and that's what I used when I set them up here. I was driving them with a Pioneer SX-1010.

Squidward
01-13-2006, 03:44 PM
I once saw a pair of these at a thrift near me. The woofer's foam was rotted, indeed. It's hard to see, because it's down-firing and a wood base prevents you from visually inspecting the surround. It would be easy for someone clueless to honestly think they were 100% OK and advertise them as such, when in fact they were rotted.

Thanks,

-Ed

Charivari
01-13-2006, 04:31 PM
Perhaps not, but you might just be the only living expert on those speakers in the whole wide world. :D
Jorge
Well, everyone needs at least one lost cause to adopt.

I saw the same auction, in fact I am watching it now. I have family up there! There is also a set here locally, but the guy won't budge on the price!!! I'll try again this weekend... I like these, they have possibilities.
These speakers do roll-off by 48 Hz, so of course you're not going to rock the room. DA did produce a matching subwoofer to go with these PS-series speakers, the PS-LF.

I would mess with placement and different rooms. I had Charivaris Design Acoustics here at my house which has a rear firing woofer and with my hard wood floors, 3' rock back wall and room size I found the bass very tight and full, very modern sounding almost like a sub / sat system but in a good way. He finds them lacking in bass in his setting so I think placement and room acoustics have a lot to do with these speakers. His had the original stands and that's what I used when I set them up here. I was driving them with a Pioneer SX-1010.
You're welcome to borrow them indefinitely, I need to free up the space. Funny, but I really like those stands, nice, hefty, and attractive. It's also nice to have one of the very rare sets of original stands.

- JP

kfa888
01-13-2006, 04:48 PM
Man I am going to have to give those a listen again because I found them to be quite bassfull. I will concede that they were "one frequency wonders" due I'm sure to their ported design but I do like the frequency they picked. Sweet highs also which I found surprising due to the design being a simple paper cone.

What are you guys powering them with?

SPL db
01-17-2006, 04:33 PM
Would these be the ones???

Design Acoustics PS-10 Speakers (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?itemid=1742473)

If so, it sounds like they have foam rot on the downward firing woofer then? :scratch2:

Scott

sandawa
01-17-2006, 07:46 PM
got an old pair two years ago for about the same price ($60). my impression is it works well with amps rated below 100wpc and should be placed on stable ground, or heavy table, to get more solid bass.

some photos:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4538/ps10cover0mu.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ps10cover0mu.jpg) http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2434/00008183sb.th.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00008183sb.jpg) http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7171/00008172jx.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00008172jx.jpg)

ByrdWyngs
01-18-2006, 12:28 AM
These speakers do roll-off by 48 Hz, so of course you're not going to rock the room. DA did produce a matching subwoofer to go with these PS-series speakers, the PS-LF.
- JP
The PS-LF may have been sold separately at some point but it was originally sold as part of the PS-30 sub/sat system. It had a dual voice coil 12" down firing woofer, and the PS-5 satellites had the same 1" soft dome tweeter and 5" midrange as the PS-10 in much smaller enclosures (~11x7x5).

Charivari
01-18-2006, 12:37 AM
I managed to get ahold of a former DA dealer a few months back who sold the PS series of speakers. According to him, they sold the PS-LF as an accessory for the earlier PS series. It could be that it was an integral part of the PS-30 system. Sadly, this sort of information is difficult to come by, so there's big holes in what I've on my Yahoo! group and surely more than a few incongruities. With a total of 18 members, I find it hard to summon the energy to continue researching these speakers and build a knowledge base to be viewed by none.

- JP

ByrdWyngs
01-18-2006, 08:43 AM
JP,
I have the sales brochures for the DA-30, PS-30, PS-8 and PS-10, and owners manuals for the PS-8 and 10. If you're interested I could scan them for you. It'll be at least a few days before I can get to it, let me know if you want them.
George

Windwalker
08-08-2009, 03:21 PM
Well HJ, you can snag another pair of local CL, for a 20 spot

markshan
08-20-2010, 10:02 PM
I passed on an eight dollar pair of these at a thrift today. I'm an idiot, right?

Kergyl
10-01-2010, 10:34 AM
I passed on an eight dollar pair of these at a thrift today. I'm an idiot, right?

Well, it's a missed opportunity, at least. I've had a pair of PS-10a speakers for two years and absolutely love 'em. The down-firing woofer is brilliant. Music just comes alive. For the size (and used prices), I don't think there are many comparable speakers available.

Many thanks, Charivari, for your posts, uploads, Yahoo group, and HiFi museum page (http://www.hifi-museum.com/pa/da/da_index_fs.htm )!!

basplin
01-15-2013, 12:29 PM
For what it's worth for such an old thread, i own an early pair of PS-10's, and love them. They are one of the clearest speakers I've heard. I like them for their clarity and also their balanced sound and present midrange. The front pot for tweeter gain is pretty sweet too. For what I dig in sound, these really do it for me. I run them with a Marantz 2252B, which is probably-under powered for these. They are power hungry - up to 250 watts.

phatster
01-15-2013, 03:55 PM
To keep this going...a question-What is the difference between the PS-10 and the PS-10a? Yes, I agree they are very nice,sweet bass and easy to place given their design.

GD70
01-15-2013, 04:28 PM
Thanks for the quick and valuable replies gents. However I need to clarify that price. These are up for auction in the Goodwill Thrift Shop in Grandville, MI. The current bid is $6.00, shipping to my place adds $51.00. If the 10" woofers surrounds are shot, I'll pass. However the discription with then claims all is good. But they are sight unseen. I have no idea what the final bid will be so this is very very iffy. If they were an exceptional speaker I would pursue it. So if anybody lives in or near Grandville and wants a look-see, I will be happy to send you the auction post.

Great speakers, GET THEM! Surrounds are very easy to replace and well worth the effort. I have a pair and love them. Mids & highs are amazing, bass is ok, but better when they are against a wall. Should be ear level when listening, not as good on the floor. Have them remove the case and take pics of the woofers and surrounds. I am almost certain they need replacing. How do the cabs look?

My brother had a new set back in the early 80's and we loved them then as well.

Glenn

GD70
01-15-2013, 04:30 PM
JP,
I have the sales brochures for the DA-30, PS-30, PS-8 and PS-10, and owners manuals for the PS-8 and 10. If you're interested I could scan them for you. It'll be at least a few days before I can get to it, let me know if you want them.
George

If you don't mind, I'd love copies also.

Cheers, Glenn

GD70
01-15-2013, 04:33 PM
To keep this going...a question-What is the difference between the PS-10 and the PS-10a? Yes, I agree they are very nice,sweet bass and easy to place given their design.

There were a bunch of variations during the production run. Some have the tweeter pot mounted on the front, some it's a toggle switch on the back, others don't have any tweeter adjustment. Earlier ones had brown grills, later ones, black. I'm sure there's a few other things I'm unaware of.

Glenn

GD70
01-15-2013, 04:36 PM
I would mess with placement and different rooms. I had Charivaris Design Acoustics here at my house which has a rear firing woofer and with my hard wood floors, 3' rock back wall and room size I found the bass very tight and full, very modern sounding almost like a sub / sat system but in a good way. He finds them lacking in bass in his setting so I think placement and room acoustics have a lot to do with these speakers. His had the original stands and that's what I used when I set them up here. I was driving them with a Pioneer SX-1010.

You have a PIC of the original stands?

Thanks, Glenn

Audio Fan
01-15-2013, 06:04 PM
This is a 6 yo thread, so you may not get a quick reply.

Seems Charivari hasn't posted any comments since 2007?

fiddlefye
01-15-2013, 07:17 PM
Nice speakers if you don't have much space to work with and can get them set up right. I have mine running at my fiancée's place at the moment powered by an Accuphase E-202. Nice sounding combo and no lack of bass to be found.

Some day when I have a bit of spare time and cash I will definitely be removing the vinyl and doing them in a nice veneer. Worthy IMHO.

GD70
01-15-2013, 07:26 PM
This is a 6 yo thread, so you may not get a quick reply.

Seems Charivari hasn't posted any comments since 2007?

Guess I'm a little late to the party then.

fiddlefye
01-15-2013, 08:51 PM
Guess I'm a little late to the party then.Never too late to party!

basplin
01-15-2013, 10:49 PM
This may explain another difference between the PS-10 and PS-10a's.

Post #8:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=350221

Mine have the brown grilles and front tweeter adjustment pot, early indeed.


Also:
Seems Charivari hasn't posted any comments since 2007?

What happened to him? Does anybody know him personally?

GD70
01-16-2013, 08:53 AM
I have the PS-10a's.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/IMG_4966.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/MyPS-10s6_25_12.jpg
Original rotted surround.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/IMG_4884.jpg
Original Woofer with new surround.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/IMG_4893.jpg
A look inside.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/IMG_0883.jpg
On one of the stands I built.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/IMG_5322.jpg

basplin
01-16-2013, 04:03 PM
Those are exactly what mine look like

k1creeker
01-30-2013, 01:34 PM
GD70, Your speakers look to be regular PS-10s. The 10A's have a taller cabinet than the 10's.

GD70
02-07-2013, 09:52 AM
GD70, Your speakers look to be regular PS-10s. The 10A's have a taller cabinet than the 10's.

Here's a pic of the back of one of mine, Shows PS-10a.
Glenn
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/GD70/PS-10a_zpsc45c674b.jpg

dcdiaz
02-07-2013, 11:40 AM
I would love to get a hold of a pair of these. I know is old thread and all, but my interest is sparked.

GD70
02-07-2013, 11:59 AM
I would love to get a hold of a pair of these. I know is old thread and all, but my interest is sparked.

You won't be disappointed!

phatster
02-07-2013, 12:07 PM
I'll keep you in mind if I ever want to part company....these have a design that really makes sense to me.

SleeperSupra
02-07-2013, 02:04 PM
Great sounding speakers!

michiganpat
02-08-2013, 07:18 AM
there's a pair on the local craigslist at a record shop for $150....

fiddlefye
02-08-2013, 08:07 AM
I keep thinking that mine would look great with some nice figured birch veneer or similar. Yes, a very sensible design and they work amazingly well.

luxmaster
02-08-2013, 08:55 AM
I see no mention of the ps-9. I don't know what the difference is. Mine are painted black but look good. I do have to redo the black foam padding on the front because mine is peeling. I ended up swapping out the 8" sub for one with a bigger magnet and poly surrounds. Now my DA's sound awesome. They should have designed them this way in the 1st place

GD70
02-08-2013, 09:05 AM
I see no mention of the ps-9. I don't know what the difference is. Mine are painted black but look good. I do have to redo the black foam padding on the front because mine is peeling. I ended up swapping out the 8" sub for one with a bigger magnet and poly surrounds. Now my DA's sound awesome. They should have designed them this way in the 1st place

Yeah, you don't see them often. They show up on eBay occasionally.