Free Interconnects to try!

[dr*audio]

I have these great cables from MCM, Part# 50-2160, they are dirt cheap, and are made with very high quality parts. The connectors look like Tiffin connectors. I think they sound great and I've been trying to get others to try them because I think people are overpaying for interconnects, when they could get something for a fraction of the cost that might sound as good. So I was thinking; I have an extra pair that I would like to offer to anyone who wants to try them, but you have to write a review, then pass them on to anyone else who requests them. So lets get started. Post your requests here. You get to keep them for 2 weeks, then pass them on to the next person. PM the next person on the list to get their shipping address. Post your reviews to this thread.
http://www.mcminone.com/content/productimages/s4/3943530.jpg

[yamahammer]

i will try them out for you

[JimmyNeutron]

Put me in line. I can try them on my Krell/McIntosh/Carver AL-III system. Should be a real nuetral system with minimal to no coloration - great way to check out these cables. :thmbsp: I can write a detailed review and post it on my website along with many pics.

I'm in! :music:

Jimmy

[Wardsweb]

What model cable? Looks like coax. Just let me know what is written on the side of the cable.

[DKak]

Just curious...when I looked these up on the MCM website, it appears that the price is for one cable. Is that correct, or is it truly a pair, i.e. left & right?

[dr*audio]

They come in pairs. :thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

Kamakiri mentioned he wants to try them, too, so this will be his placeholder.

[thedelihaus]

Dr*audio,

Thanks for the info. A decent price for some well-built interconnects, yes. If I don't go the DIY route these would make a nice pair for sure!

[geaugafletcher]

Yes. I just ordered a couple pairs for fun along with some Kester solder.

[BeerCan]

Hi Dr*audio,
Can you post the info on the side of the cable?
Thanks for the headsup on these.

BC

[Urizen]

I have these great cables from MCM, Part# 50-2160, they are dirt cheap, and are made with very high quality parts. The connectors look like Tiffin connectors.

These are the same connectors as on my DH Labs interconnects. :sigh:

Thanks for the lead!

[dr*audio]

On the cable it says:
"High Resolution Audio Interconnect Cable - OFHC - Double Shielded." And it has a signal flow direction marking. Look, if you don't want to risk $14.00 on a set, sign up here and try them at no risk!

[BeerCan]

Oh I already risked th money. I was jus curious :)

[Bigerik]

So far, we have signed up for the cables:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel

Did I miss anyone?
Will edit the list as more people sign up.

[Grainger49]

i will try them out for you

Yamahammer, it is "My, oh my, what a wonderful day!"

Just thought you would want to know.

[Kamakiri]

Kamakiri mentioned he wants to try them, too, so this will be his placeholder.

Thanks for covering me, I forgot to post :para:

[GaryP]

Ok, I'mm grab 'em from you afterwards, BigErik! Ok?

[Bigerik]

Ok, I'mm grab 'em from you afterwards, BigErik! Ok?


I was figuring you would jump in some point soon! :)
We could do a hand off, and then even compare notes.

[GaryP]

Yea - I''ll even bring over some "extra" pairs I have hanging around - just for fun! :)

And I still have to drop off that power cord.....

[GaryP]

Ok, I'mm grab 'em from you afterwards, BigErik! Ok?

Ever notice how close the letter m is to the letter L? :scratch2:

No?

:tears:

............ nevermind ........... :no:

[dr*audio]

I already told yamahammer he can have them first (oops, sorry, Tim) so put Kamakiri second.
My bad...

So far, we have signed up for the cables:
1. Kamakiri
2. yamahammer
3. JimmyNeutron
4. Bigerik
5. GaryP

Did I miss anyone?
Will edit the list as more people sign up.

[thedelihaus]

I'll give 'em a whirl as well, if that's okay. But you've already kinda sold me on 'em. I don't mind giving a review however. I'll compare 'em to 2 different Monster Cable pairs I have, a pair of AR cables I have from Best Buy, a pair from Radio Shack, a real cheapo pair, and if I've built any by that point, my homebrews. Put me far down the list if you'd like, it'd be a better chance for me to have some of my own built by then.

[Kamakiri]

I already told yamahammer he can have them first (oops, sorry, Tim) so put Kamakiri second.
My bad...

That's cool :)

You could even arrange the demo geographically so that the cables could make it around the States before they come to me, then I could connect with one of our Canadian folk and then have them run those rounds.

[Strawman]

I would like to try them also please. For that price if it does make a difference, it won't break the bank to redo a rack. :thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

Mrs. Audio is taking them to the USPS today!

[Bigerik]

I already told yamahammer he can have them first (oops, sorry, Tim) so put Kamakiri second.
My bad...

Sorry! Thought you had previously committed to Tim, which is why I made the change. I will rearrange things a little then! :)

[onepixel]

I want to play! Sign me up, please. Thanks!

[Bigerik]

Onepixel, you are now on the list!

[dr*audio]

For those who are buying these cables new, I wanted to mention, you should tighten them by holding the nut at the rear and turning the barrel till it's finger tight, no tools needed. Some of them aren't tight when they arrive. By the time you get the ones I'm circulating, they should be tight, but feel free to check. I forgot to tighten them before I shipped them, but I instructed Yamahammer to do it.

[Cosmos]

Please? I'd like to play too...

[dr*audio]

Yamahammer posted a review of the cables here:
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69283
Please post your reviews in this thread (not the above one) so everyone will know where to find them!

[yamahammer]

And send them to jimmy neutron tuesday they will be on their way reviews to be posted here 600 Nakimichi rack, and my Yammie M-80 system were also involved in this experiment

[JimmyNeutron]

I am eagerly awaiting the cables. I'm going to try them on my KRELL/McIntosh set up and on my McIntosh/McIntosh set up. I will post plenty of pictures and a full review on my website. I'll stack them up against my Monster Cable cables.

Jimmy

[MitsuMan]

They come in pairs. :thmbsp:

Not trying to be contrary here, but I read nothing on their website that says "pairs"


HIGH RES AUDIO PATCH CABLE 72 MALE TO MALE RCA
MCM Part #: 50-2160


:dunno:

[Fast_Eddie]

On the cable it says:
"High Resolution Audio Interconnect Cable - OFHC - Double Shielded." And it has a signal flow direction marking. Look, if you don't want to risk $14.00 on a set, sign up here and try them at no risk!

Those are only $14?! Man, that does look like a very good deal. I'm not a "high end" cable guy, but I do think quality cable is smart. Those look like very high quality for that price. It would easy to spend more than that on DIY.

Take care,

Ed

[geaugafletcher]

They do indeed come in pairs. I ordered and received two pairs. :) They look well made and have arrows indicating signal direction. They plug and unplug securely but easily.

[jon_s]

I bought two pairs... they are pretty nice for the price. Less mushy-sounding than typical AR/Monster style bargain cables. Really tight-sounding, in fact. But they do seem a bit dry and gritty compared to braided OFC, and not as clear or musical. I will have no problem finding some uses for them, but my main cables are still in place :D

[JimmyNeutron]

Cables came in today a'la Warren. I'll be giving them a try and will post about then in a couple of days.

Jimmy

[dr*audio]

I bought two pairs... they are pretty nice for the price. Less mushy-sounding than typical AR/Monster style bargain cables. Really tight-sounding, in fact. But they do seem a bit dry and gritty compared to braided OFC, and not as clear or musical. I will have no problem finding some uses for them, but my main cables are still in place :D

So tell us what your main cables are?????? Also, did you tighten the connector before you used them? Some of them arrive with the connector a bit loose. Just hand tighten them so you get a good ground connection.

[jon_s]

So tell us what your main cables are?????? Also, did you tighten the connector before you used them? Some of them arrive with the connector a bit loose. Just hand tighten them so you get a good ground connection.

My usual cables are the Bottlehead "entwined" OFC magnet wire cable kits from a few years back. They aren't perfect... somewhat hard to keep terminated properly, and slightly noisy since unshielded, but they really make beautiful music and have a pleasant open sound.

Don't get me wrong, the MCMs are a helluva bargain, but they did solid-stateify my tube system a bit more than expected. Compared to anything at Circuit City or Best Buy, I'd take 'em. :smoke:



edit-- Okay... hmmmm... I spent some more time with these and might dig them more than I thought at first. :thmbsp:

[yamahammer]

here we go #2 test bed mule was my Nak 600 rack which made for easy changeouts beetween the tuner, cassette deck, amp to preamp replacing some monster cables from way back when (?) first the bass did seem a little tighter, midranges danced a little better and the high end seemed more lifelike, The swish of the high hats. With the most difference in the cassette deck to preamp connection. Overall definitley a upgrade in my opinion !! #3 my Yamaha system using Apature and Soundquest interconnects here the difference was not readily heard so maybe they had finally met their match overall a great deal for the price!!!! I have orderd a set for my Nak rack,Speakers of choice were Ns-500's yamahas (not too hard to lug around ) listening sources were varied classic, rock, acoustical guitars,Warren thank you for the chance to audition these cables your a true gentleman and scholar :music:

[dr*audio]

I am surprised to hear they beat out Monster Cables! I am also pleased to read that others are hearing what I hear! :thmbsp:

[yamahammer]

Warren my Monsters Cables in question were bought from Best Buy at least ten to 15 yrs ago and i don't remember spending more for them then the cables I tested. So they were not top of the line and have been swapped in and out of various systems more then ten or fifteen times in that time span. I think they might be suffering from a little abuse they just sounded flat too me after listening to the mcm's glad to be of help to you

[jon_s]

These do seem to be quite bit better than the lower-end Monster Cables, in my system at least.

I noticed some $2k interconnects which appear use the same connector (although, obviously, with some high-grade coax that costs a couple orders of magnitude more).

I'm now pretty-much sold that these are a total bargain compared to Monster / Acoustic Research grade cables. And I didn't even need to terminate them myself. :banana:

[JimmyNeutron]

I finished testing these cables in 2 of my systems - both as pre to amp and source to pre configs. I tested them against my Monster Cable 300 mkII, 500 mkII, and Audio Quest cables. I will post the results on my website later this week when I have more time.

Whose next?

Jimmy

[dr*audio]

Thedelihaus is next!
The updated list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel
9. Cosmos

[dr*audio]

Deli, did the cables arrive?

[dr*audio]

I just got a flyer from MCM, these interconnects (50-2160) are on sale now for $8.99 a pair! :banana: You have to use the source code: 606C03 when you order. Sale ends August 4.

[Cosmos]

Wow, at that price and given the positive reviews so far, I just ordered 10 pair of those cables. Sounds like a great deal to me.

Therefore, please take me off the trial list.


Thanks to everyone that reviewed these cables and especially Dr Audio who suggested
them.

[dr*audio]

Ok, the list is now:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel
The cables should now be with or on the way to Thedelihaus.

[JimmyNeutron]

I sent the cables to Thedelihaus on 6/22. Hopefully he got them fine and is just listening to them for evaluation.

Jimmy

[BeerCan]

I just got a flyer from MCM, these interconnects (50-2160) are on sale now for $8.99 a pair! :banana: You have to use the source code: 606C03 when you order. Sale ends August 4.


dr*audio are there codes for the other lengths of that interconnect. I would like to purchase some of the 1.5 and 3 foot sizes

Thanks

[dr*audio]

Apparently those are the only ones on sale.

[thedelihaus]

Got the cables today, guys. Opened up the box- and were suprised by the nice feel and quality of these. Makes me rethink about building my own!

I'll be giving them a spin after Monday. So hopefully a review Tuesday or Wednesday? Thursday at latest?

After that, off to Strawman, it looks like.

But for anyone considering getting these, build quality alone is worth the price.

[thedelihaus]

Hello all,

Anyone know if Strawman or Kamikari are on vacation?

I've PM'd both of them (Strawman to send the cables, Kami to send a donation), and haven't heard back from either.

I'd like to ship the cables out ASAP. Please let me know...

[dr*audio]

Nevermind that; what did you think of them?

[Strawman]

Hello all,

Anyone know if Strawman or Kamikari are on vacation?

I've PM'd both of them (Strawman to send the cables, Kami to send a donation), and haven't heard back from either.

I'd like to ship the cables out ASAP. Please let me know...

I'm around, nothing in my inbox. I'm just hanging around Puerto Backyarda.
I'll shoot you a PM.

[dr*audio]

Deli, what did you think of the cables?
Strawman, did you get them?

[Strawman]

Not yet Doc.

[dr*audio]

I haven't heard from Thedelihaus in a few days, hope he's ok. You might want to shoot him a pm.

[Strawman]

Will do, I'm a bit concerned, as Titanfan senst me some Pioneer shirts that I never got. I got the second box, but wonder if the mail is flakey. I'd say it's a good idea to spend the xtra 75 cents for delivery confirmation if shipping USPS.

[Strawman]

I heard from Deli, he hasn't been on much, but they're on their way to me. Let's keep him in our thoughts. He's a trooper!

[thedelihaus]

Hey fellas,

Hope all is well with you. Sorry for my recent dissappearing act- I have been ill due to complications and issues with my paralysis, resulting in many a doctor visit and stay in the city. Nothing really serious, more just an annoying and difficult and frustrating handful of issues.

You may have noticed I dropped from 12 posts a day to less than a half dozen over the last month or so. I do hope to return to my former "Chatty Cathy" status soon, as I dearly miss conversing with you all.

Strawman, be sure and let me know when you get them- I've put insurance on them, and have the shipping #s too. Kind Mr. Lovinvinyl was kind enough to send me a pair of woofers and a pair of tweeters from an EPI that arrived back at his house, never making it to my place. The box was wrecked, with the tweeters and one woofer missing, the remainder woofer being crunched. If you didn't get them today, should be there Saturday or Monday.

As for the interconnects, let me start this all by saying I'm conflicted about the whole interconnect issue. I believe that a better built interconnect should deliver a better source signal- deductive reasoning. Therefore a better source signal should produce a better sound. More of that reasoning there.

That said, I am a sceptic that anyone may actually be able to hear this improvement as it seems to me it would only produce a nominal heard audio improvement, and therefore politely question the validity of claims that anyone could hear this nominal improvement. Once again, yes, I think the possibility for sound improvement is there, but I felt it would be too minute, most likely not a hearty-enough change, to claim notice on.

However, after doing an A/B comparison, I will state I did indeed hear a difference, very much to my suprise.

I had wanted to try these with my vintage amps, but they are in limbo as contractors slowly take their time and finish converting my house to one that is handicap-accessible. It is now, in it's last phase, but this last phase is now over 6 months behind. Ugh. My vintage Marantz 1060s, my Sansui 317s, and my Kenwood 5700s and 7100s are "on ice" 'till it is finished, much to my displeasure and dismay.

So my modern Marantz 4320 stereo receiver has been my main running gear, and the one used to test the interconnects. (http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=sbb_marantz&item=m1sr4320).

Current speakers are EPI 100vs, a purchase from gordon, with a fresh refoam and I believe new caps.

CD player is a vintage Teac PD-325. My Optimus 5-disc changer, a gift from mhardy, is also in storage for now.

I wanted to test these against my Monster Cables I was gifted when my roomate couldn't pay rent and bills for a short run a few years back. Alas, they too are "on ice".

So I ran them against a pair of your standard, run of the mill cables one could buy at Radio Shack (but not the fancier gold-plated ones- the cheapest ones), or Best Buy, or a similiar store.

A thrift store buy of a classical CD consisting of well-recorded orchestras was chosen. I'm not near the CD right now, so I cannot tell you the exact recording or songs. Please forgive me.

Playing the CD first through the ICs from Dr Audio was a pleasure. I heard every detail crystal-clear, from ambient noises from within the orchestra pit to bow-on-string noises on the violins to breaths taken in preparation for letting into various reed instruments.

Swapping these interconnects over to the run-of-the-mill interconnects resulted in something I had not expected.

My expectations were that I'd hear either no difference at all, or just possibly an ever-so-slight reduction in clarity and detail. Maybe.

What I heard was a sound as if I had reduced the treble on my amp- a darker sound for sure. Not stark raving, but enough to notice. I have a hard time believing this, as I am a sceptic, but it seems it really was there.

This "darkening" of the sound did result in an ever-so-slight veiling, or masking of the details mentioned above. But just the tiniest of amounts.

The cable switch did want to make me turn up the treble a bit though. That, my friends, turned out to be the big suprise here. Not a massive change by any means, but one more prevalent than I would imagine, and not something I expected at all.

So the sound was an improvement as it seemed to deliver a brighter sound, less shadowed in the details. Very nice.

As to the build quality, here's my feelings.

The gifted Monster Cables I have, of different styles and years, are all quality-built pieces, though overpriced.

The cheap basic interconnects I tested in this comparison are just that- cheap. Lousy feel in the hand, formed plastic tips, basic, metal ends.

These interconnects felt great in my hand. The actual cable material had a nice textured feel to them- like a nice semi-porous rubber. Tips are of what appears to be a silver alloy base and sleeve, that screws snugly together. Not bulletproof, not super-tough, but still of nice textile feel and quality.

Inside this tip is a white plastic section that is covered by a gold-plated sleeve, that helps aid in keeping everything snug and kept together. I was a little concerned at this setup, as the way it appears, the threaded tip arrangement needs to be kept snug in order to keep it all in proper sort. But not to worry- it remains in place unless you go tugging and prodding at it, and if indeed the tip arrangement is in fact threaded and tightened, it will remain as snug as a bug. The gold plated ends look sharp and are most likely a contributor to the improved sound.

So, my overall opinion is that these do sound excellent, and they delivered an unexpected audio delight.

Build quality is very good, and the pieces both look nice and feel nice.

And the price is most insane- incredibly cheap, as if there was a pricing error made in the buyer's favor. I had considered buying a length of cable and some RCA ends and making my own cables. But for this price, I do think it would cost me more to build my own of similiar quality- possibly my home-built version would even be of lesser quality. And these are already plug-and-play.

An exceptional buy in my opinion. I am considering skipping the homemade units fully and replacing any and all my cables (besides the few Monster Cables I own) with these excellent, wonderful cables Dr. audio was so kind to let me test drive.

And I'd never again bother to even consider buying a fancy name-brand cable for my gear. The performance, I bet, is on par with those "monster" priced cables.

[dr*audio]

Deli,
Hope you are feeling better. Great review! The white plastic is Teflon, for any that are curious. I had been buying just the RCA connectors for a few years and making my own cables (they are $1.95 each!) until they came out with the complete cables at this insanely cheap price.

[thedelihaus]

Thanks Warren- both for the well wishes and for the compliments on the review. It wasn't as well written as I had hoped to produce- I just re-read it and I want to apologise for it being a bit sloppy and not as coherent as I'd have preferred. I'll gleefully blame it on the medications.

That said, I can't think of a better bargain right now on cables, and must admit, as both a believer yet a sceptic in the "magic" of cables, I'm now a convert for sure. Never, never never will standard cables be good enough- any time new gear is added, I will need to accompany it with these.

Thanks for the opportunity to try them.

[dr*audio]

You're most welcome!

[thedelihaus]

Strawman should have these today. Hopefully the United States postal service has arrived with them safe and secure.

[wineslob]

So far, we have signed up for the cables:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel

Did I miss anyone?
Will edit the list as more people sign up.

I know it's a little late in the game, but sign me up!

[Strawman]

I got 'em. Looking forward to playing some more. :thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

The updated list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel
9. Cosmos
10. wineslob

[Pappas3278]

I've tried but, I can't seem to find the link to MCM. Can anyone help?
Thanks.

-Mike

[dr*audio]

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/

[thedelihaus]

Just checking in- glad you got them. I guess I can throw out the receipt and insurance claim ticket on em now!

[Strawman]

Hey guys, I show that they were delivered to Kam on the 21st. I'd like to thank the good Doctor for arranging this. It does prove to each of us, in our own settings whether or not any difference is made with such tweaks. I was quite busy while I had them, and didn't get the chance to really go crazy, but was impressed by the feel, fit, and finish of the cables. I did hear an increase in the bass/mid response, and for the price, feel like I wouldn't be out of line by purchasing them as needed, or when I want to set up the next rack on my (tiny) budget. Not much to compare them with in the way of good cables, & I'm pretty mid fi, but, again, very justifiable and affordable. :thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

I think it's really interesting that the improvement even shows up on a mid-fi system! Ok, Kam, your up next!

[GaryP]

Mid-fi? Who has a mid-fi system?

[Strawman]

I'm probably the king of mid-fi. :music:

[dr*audio]

Attention, Kamakiri! Have you listened to the cables yet or are you still busy digging yourself out of a mountain of snow????? When you are done with them they go to Bigerik.

[Fran604g]

Hi dr*audio, I can't find them on the MCM site, do you know if they may have changed the part #?

[Ultra-Hog]

They are still there http://www.mcminone.com/search.asp?keyword=50-2150
and the 3' version is http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2160

[Fran604g]

They are still there http://www.mcminone.com/search.asp?keyword=50-2150
and the 3' version is http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2160

Saweet! Thanx, for some reason the part # didn't come up on their site when I searched. Thanx for the help. :banana:

[JerryK]

Would these cables also work well in turntables? I'd like to replace my stock cables on my Dual 721 and Philips GA-212. Thanks!

[TombstoneBlues]

awesome

[audioguy]

I'm not sure if i read this or not. Is that price on the website for one cable or for a pair? Also, are all of there cables good, or is this like the only one. There subwoofer cables look decent.

[Kamakiri]

Attention, Kamakiri! Have you listened to the cables yet or are you still busy digging yourself out of a mountain of snow????? When you are done with them they go to Bigerik.

I lost track of this, this is my bad.....

I'll be posting hte review this weekend, and passing them on to Erik, who owes me a visit anyways ;)

[dr*audio]

The price is for a pair. I haven't tried the subwoofer cables, so I don't know. I have, however tried these:
http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=DT6A
They sound ok, but as you can see, the connectors are not nearly as nice as the Daytons. Feel free to try the subwoofer cable and review them here. Don't worry about hijacking the thread, they are still MCM cables, which I am trying to get people to try, to save money.

[audioguy]

I still don't understand the reason why people spend so much on cables. That's why i like the look of these. Cheap and supposedly great. I spent around $45 for audioquest sidewinder cables. That's enough for me for one pair of interconnect. Other cables average around $50 or so like speaker wire pair or sub cable.

[Pappas3278]

I was about to request that I be added to the list, but, I'm currently using my roommates interconnects which means I'll need a few pairs when he inevitably gets the boot!
So I just ordered up 3 pairs and will be happy to post my review when I get the chance to test them out.
Pretty excited!

-Mike

[wineslob]

Hey, tombstone, is that "Uncle Teds" mugshot!!??

[Kamakiri]

I've got these cables dialled in as I'm typing. You are NOT getting these back.

;)

I gotta listen more. I'll check back again later. This is great :)

[Pappas3278]

Kinda bummed.
I just got my cables in the mail yesterday but I quickly realized my mistake.
I ordered the 1.5foot version instead of the 3footers. But, I just got off the phone with MCM and they're sending out the new order today. I should have them by this weekend.

It should have been obvious, but, the 1.5footers are SHORT!

-Mike

[dr*audio]

Tim, hey Tim! Time to write your review and send them on!

[Bigerik]

Tim, hey Tim! Time to write your review and send them on!

We are arranging a Pony Express run between Tim and myself. Then they will be in my hands.
E

[Tripqzon]

Warren,

Sign me up please.

Paul

[Kamakiri]

I'll key in my review this evening. I've had plenty of time to listen to them, and am quite impressed :)

[dr*audio]

The updated list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel
9. Cosmos
10. wineslob
11. Tripqzon
12. BGRoberts

[MitsuMan]

I just ordered 2 pr. of the 3 footers. Can't wait to get them. :banana:

[Kamakiri]

Well, as I've had some time to listen to them, I'll make a few comments, although with a lack of sleep I may not get as verbose as I would normally ;)

All in all, these cables seemed to widen the soundstage very well. As an example, drum cymbals seemed to have more depth to them. That's the one thing I really picked out. Or castinets. Anything in the background of the music just seemed to be that much more complete. I can't say that they are revealing to the point of discovery, but that may also be due to the fact that what I had wasn't too bad to begin with. They do give a little more depth, however, and I think that's important in any system.

This is on a Fisher 500C tube receiver, Rega Planet CDP, and Living Voice auditorium series speakers. Oh, and the speaker wires are Cardas Crosslinks.....

I'm going to make some changes in my system coming up soon, and these will be on my short list, for sure.

[MitsuMan]

Without a doubt, these cables are something for the price. I must admit I've been a doubting Thomas with regards to IC's. These have brought out details that were unheard previously. I was listening to a Dave Matthews cd last night at low to moderate levels and from a good distance away, I heard things in the music that I hadn't heard before. The bass is deeper and tighter, the highs are enhanced (not attenuated, just clearer) and as Kam said they aren't "revealing to the point of discovery" but they are great bang for the buck. :yes: I will be adding more of these to other parts in my system. Thanks to Dr* for the post. :beerchug:

[BGRoberts]

I'd like to give these a try. I'm a newbie to the whole interconnect thing, and looking for something better than my 1.95 cables from off the rack at Walmart or RadioShack or wherever they came from once upon a time!
:)

[dr*audio]

The updated list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Bigerik
7. GaryP
8. Onepixel
9. Cosmos
10. wineslob
11. Tripqzon
12. BGRoberts

[Kamakiri]

Any chance we can bypass Canada for the moment and get these things moving along? It doesn't seem like Erik and I are hooking up anytime in the immediate future.....

[dr*audio]

The updated list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Tripqzon
7. Cosmos
8. Onepixel
9. wineslob
10. BGRoberts
11. Bigerik
12. GaryP
BGRoberts, where are you at, so I can arrange this for minimal shipping? Not that I'm sure that going across the country and then to Canada is the best way, but I think the solution there is for the last person in Canada to keep the cables, so they don't have to go back and forth across the border. Tim or Erik, if you have a better idea feel free to speak up! If not, Tim, please send the cables on to Tripqzon.

[Kamakiri]

Make sure I get his address and I'll have them en route :)

[MitsuMan]

I tried to order some more of the 3' cables and they are out of stock. :tears: You guys bought them all up and it's a 90day backorder.

[riverrat]

I just checked and the 36" cables are showing over 30 sets available.

[MitsuMan]

I just checked and the 36" cables are showing over 30 sets available.

Until you add them to your cart and go to check out.
Out of Stock
(Lead time 97 days)

and they're now $21.19 per pair............before they were $14.xx per pair. :tears:


edit: the ones you're talking about are 18" long each. The 3' cables description is 72" length (2 X 36")

[von.ah]

Due to this thread, I've outfitted my whole main rig with these IC's and I can safely say that they are noticeably clearer than the standard el-cheapo cables. I've been running them for a couple months. There's more "definition" across the entire frequency range, with especially "tighter" bass. I'm a believer in "higher" quality cables because of these (really only possible because of the wonderful price). Glad I got them before the price hike!
For what it's worth, I have:
Adcom 535 II
Yamaha CX-630
Slim Devices Squeezebox 2
Yamaha sumthinorother HT receiver
Toshiba whatsits DVD player
AR 2ax
[current vinyl set-up ashamedly left out]

[riverrat]

Until you add them to your cart and go to check out.
and they're now $21.19 per pair............before they were $14.xx per pair. :tears: edit: the ones you're talking about are 18" long each. The 3' cables description is 72" length (2 X 36")

Not to be argumentative, but I just ordered two sets of the 36" cables. Got a confirmation number and everything. Also, I'm confused about where you are getting that description- a 3' cable is a 3' cable, and seems clearly described as such.

Here is the link:

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2155

Here's the description: "HIGH RES AUDIO PATCH CABLE 36 MALE TO MALE RCA Fully Shielded Cables with Teflon Insulated Gold Connectors, Length: 3 feet, Diameter: 6 mm, Features: 100 % shielded pure copper braiding with teflon shielded center conductors, wrapped in a midnight blue outer jacket with silver connectors."

Maybe we are talking about two different products...it looks like the 6-footers ARE out of stock, and they ARE $21.19/pr.

Also, awhile back the question came up- is the listing on their website for one or two cables? It does say "cable" in one place, and then "cables" in the description, which is kind of confusing. I ordered some about 6 months ago and it is indeed for a pair.

Sooo unless you need the 72"/6 footers, I think you are good to go!
_____________________________

EDIT: Our confusion may also be due to the fact that ultrahog's post #80 in this thread refers to 3' ones but provides a link for the 6-foot version.

[MitsuMan]

Not to be argumentative, but I just ordered two sets of the 36" cables. Got a confirmation number and everything. Also, I'm confused about where you are getting that description- a 3' cable is a 3' cable, and seems clearly described as such.

Here is the link:

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2155

Here's the description: "HIGH RES AUDIO PATCH CABLE 36 MALE TO MALE RCA Fully Shielded Cables with Teflon Insulated Gold Connectors, Length: 3 feet, Diameter: 6 mm, Features: 100 % shielded pure copper braiding with teflon shielded center conductors, wrapped in a midnight blue outer jacket with silver connectors."

Maybe we are talking about two different products...it looks like the 6-footers ARE out of stock, and they ARE $21.19/pr.

Also, awhile back the question came up- is the listing on their website for one or two cables? It does say "cable" in one place, and then "cables" in the description, which is kind of confusing. I ordered some about 6 months ago and it is indeed for a pair.

Sooo unless you need the 72"/6 footers, I think you are good to go!
_____________________________

EDIT: Our confusion may also be due to the fact that ultrahog's post #80 in this thread refers to 3' ones but provides a link for the 6-foot version.

yep. :thmbsp:

You're correct on the 3 footers. :D

[Tripqzon]

Hi all,

I've been listening to the cables for almost 2 weeks now and have to say that I can not hear a difference between the MCM's and the NXG cables I'm currently using in my system. I've only used the MCM's with my cdp up to now.

The construction of the cable is very nice. The teflon coated gold connectors will last a lifetime. The shielding appears to be plentiful and should provide excellent rejection to outside signal sources and interference. I live just down the hill of multiple paging and communication towers and have had no problems whatsoever with the shielding quality of these cables.

I do know that you will hear an improvement in sound compared to the stock cables that normally come with audio gear. I say this because I noticed the improvement in clarity and bass tightness when I hooked the NXG's into my system. And being that the MCM's sound the same as the NXG's, to me anyway, is the reason I can say this with confidence.

If I hadn't already completely wired my system with the NXG's I would definitely purchase the MCM's. They are definitely built with higher quality in mind and at a reasonable price. If I find the need in the future for additional IC's , I will definitely look into these.

I give the MCM's a thumbs up. :thmbsp: :thmbsp: Wonderful cable for the budget minded audio nut. :yes: I appreciate having the opportunity to give these cables a spin. I've learned that you don't have to spend big bucks to get a quality cable.

Paul

[onepixel]

Ok...I got these cables. Will give them a spin!

[riverrat]

OK just to confuse things, should we start comparing the MCM cables to these for $10.49?

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KRY2.1M

"Krystal Kable 2 Channel 1M Twisted Pair RCA Cable

The Krystal Kable is one of the best cables on the market. It is the Fort Knox of cables. This cable contains 4 different types of shield / noise rejection characteristics all in one cable!. Features Include:

* Twisted Pair, Copper Foil wrapped Audio Signal
* Sub-Layer PVC Jacket
* Mylar Foil Shield
* Tinned Copper Braid Covering 98% of the surface area
* Gold Plated Metal Ends with Diagonal Kut Konnection

The 1 Meter (39") Cable is finished in a rugged translucent smoke color PVC. "

[dr*audio]

Well, I've already made my contribution, but if you want to order a set and start them along the list, and have people write a review here, I wouldn't object.

[riverrat]

Good idea, I just tried to order a couple sets, but their lame web interface prevented it. (Required that I "register" before ordering, then told me the email address I entered was "already in their database", probably because it asks you for an email and password, then tells you not to enter a password until after you have "registered". Sheesh!)

I'll call them tomorrow and see if I can't get some on the way to me.

[riverrat]

OK, I have 2 sets ordered. Should be here by the end of the week. I'm game to take dr*audio's suggestion to put my money where my mouth is, and sponsor a pair of these to circulate for review. Who can resist a cable that is the "Ft. Knox of cables" and has the "Diagonal Kut Konnection"?

As with the MCM interconnects, these Knu Kables appear to be high quality at a bargain price. If anyone is interested in auditioning and posting a review, let's follow dr*audio's original guidelines:

You can check the cables out, but "...you have to write a review, then pass them on to anyone else who requests them...post your requests here. You get to keep them for 2 weeks, then pass them on to the next person. PM the next person on the list to get their shipping address. Post your reviews to this thread."

From their website:

"Krystal Kable 2 Channel 1M Twisted Pair RCA Cable: The Krystal Kable is one of the best cables on the market. It is the Fort Knox of cables. This cable contains 4 different types of shield / noise rejection characteristics all in one cable!. Features Include:

* Twisted Pair, Copper Foil wrapped Audio Signal
* Sub-Layer PVC Jacket
* Mylar Foil Shield
* Tinned Copper Braid Covering 98% of the surface area
* Gold Plated Metal Ends with Diagonal Kut Konnection

The 1 Meter (39") Cable is finished in a rugged translucent smoke color PVC. "

[dr*audio]

Put me on the list.

[riverrat]

Put me on the list.

Roger & wilco. Sent you a PM.

[MitsuMan]

Kindly add me to the list as well. :thmbsp:

[whsh93a]

On the cable it says:
"High Resolution Audio Interconnect Cable - OFHC - Double Shielded." And it has a signal flow direction marking.

UMMM - what happens to the signal flow if the arow is pointed up-hill??

DH

[riverrat]

It made sense to start the knukables with dr*audio. I ordered two sets so I'll report in as well.

And yeah what is up with "directional" cables? The MCMs had the arrows too. I do not understand how it could possibly make any difference which end of the cable goes where as long as they aren't cross wired.

But then again there are many things I don't understand. Certainly wouldn't want those electrons swimming upstream....

[dr*audio]

Usually when there is a directional marking on the cable it means there are 2 internal wires; signal and ground and the shield is connected to ground on one end only, to prevent ground loops. The shield is connected at the signal source end. I have not bothered to verify this; one would have to take the connector apart which is easy to do, but putting it back together properly is a #%^&*. Also it's easy to break the wire if you aren't careful taking the cable apart. So please don't try it!:no:

[dr*audio]

We have a new list starting for these nu cables. I am doing this in case some of you don't want to bother with them. So far we have:
dr*audio
MitsuMan
wineslob

[wineslob]

Please sign me up for the Knu Kables!

[dr*audio]

Please sign me up for the Knu Kables!

You're in!

[riverrat]

Hmmm, this advance review of the knukables interconnects is not a good sign:

"knukonceptz.com? Run, don't walk from these "death grip" RCA's that will threaten to tear off your jacks.. or in some cases (since not all RCA jacks are of equal OD) not contact their shield *at all*, i.e. near-zero flex in the shield contacts. I quickly trashed my whole set and replaced with something better."

Posted todau by nathanso in the "found a new (to me) cable vendor today - mycableshop.com - experiences ?" thread. (That is where I heard about knukables, and at least one other poster likes their products.)

I already have two sets on the way to me. If it is immediately apparent that this is indeed a problem, maybe I will just send them back. But they make several models, I will try to find out which ones nathanso had such a problem with. The "Krystal Kables I ordered are the second from the top of the line, but still very inexpensive. Maybe nathanso had the super el cheapos...

[dr*audio]

The MCM cables are on sale thru the 16th of Feb; the 3 ft pair is $6.20! P/N 50-2155. You have to use this source code when you check out: 701105.

[riverrat]

thanks for the tip dr.* a. I just ordered 3 pr.

I think I'm now set for interconnects for the foreseeable future.

[riverrat]

Just received 2 pair of knukonceptz "Krystal Kables" today. I haven't given them a serious listening test, but they appear very nicely made.

After checking them on several connections, they do not seem overly tight, certainly not a "death grip".

I'm guessing nathanso had cables that were either lower in the product line, an older design, or both.

(I'm in no way affiliated with knukonceptz.)

So, one set will be on its way to dr*audio in tomorrow's mail.

[dr*audio]

Thanks, I'm looking forward to it!:thmbsp:

[onepixel]

Here is my review of the MCM cable.

In short I couldn't hear any difference between my mediocre Monster cables. Not to say the MCMs are mediocre they are very well made and handle very nicely and the price is great. Soundwise they sounded just fine. I'm going to buy some.

Here is how I tested.
Two nearly identical Yamaha CD players and a Pioneer SA-9100 amp. I used the SA-9100 because it has two AUX inputs. It was quick switching back and forth. I burned couple of my favorite reference songs onto two CDs. I started one CD 10 seconds ahead of the other. Then went back and forth.

I did swap CD players and AUX inputs just to make sure. Overall I'm very pleased with the quality and sound of the MCM cables.

Cheers

[onepixel]

dr*audio...please sign me up for the knu cables too.

Thanks!
Carl

ps...I just order 2 sets each of the 3 and 6 foot. :banana:

[dr*audio]

I just got the KnuKonceptz Cables and I have to say the build quality is impressive. They come in a nice blister pack and it doesn't say anywhere on it where they are made. This company is actually located in Ohio, about 50 miles from me. Never knew they were here. I will try them out this weekend and post a review shortly.

[MitsuMan]

I just got the KnuKonceptz Cables and I have to say the build quality is impressive. They come in a nice blister pack and it doesn't say anywhere on it where they are made. This company is actually located in Ohio, about 50 miles from me. Never knew they were here. I will try them out this weekend and post a review shortly.

Looking forward to hearing your review Warren. :thmbsp:

[wineslob]

Got the MCM cables last friday, 2-9-07, I'll give them a listen in the comming days.

[dr*audio]

Here's my review of the KnuKonceptz Kables:
First thing I did was I hooked them into the tape monitor loop on my Kenwood 600 integrated. Switching in and out the tape monitor I heard no difference at all, a good sign. Then I connected them to my CD player in my Onkyo Integra A8087 system. I'm listening to "The Little Willies" on it right now. The bass is nice, tight and extended, highs are clean, imaging is spot on. Previously I had molded crap cables on this player, just never got around to changing them, and the difference is startling. I mostly noticed the bass is improved, much more solid. The imaging seems much improved, I never noticed it being so accurate before. Piano and voice sound so friggin' real! I had no trouble pushing the connectors on, they fit on snugly with normal force, and you feel a slight click as they push home. I'm ordering up some of these cables ASAP. This weekend I'll send them out to the next person on the list, MitsuMan.

[Yamaha1]

Any chance they can be sent to India, I have a mix of VDH, Monster and predominantly Radio Shack gold cables, I know shipping can be prohibitive but was just wondering.

[dr*audio]

I think I have to draw the line at shipping off continent, sorry. I think that MCM will ship internationally, check with them and see what the cost is. If it costs more than what you can buy locally, then these cables aren't a viable solution for you anyway.

[Yamaha1]

No problems, fully understand, just was curious, have always given new guys a try, thats my nature, here, you can get almost all the big end names, VDH being prime brand but not the newbies.

[riverrat]

Yamaha1, the knukonceptz (or however you spell it) interconnects that we're passing around cost less than $11 USD for a 1 meter set. I don't know what they would charge you for shipping, but perhaps it might be worth to just order some?

I'm not real discerning regarding sound quality, but they sound great to me and the build quality is very very nice for that price point.

[REDone]

Brilliant idea especially as I'm a little suspicious of claims on cables & interconnects

post to UK in my case (only useful for me on CD & Tuner though)

[riverrat]

Brilliant idea especially as I'm a little suspicious of claims on cables & interconnects

Yes, I think many of us are. Even a casual search of the AK archives will quickly show this is a contentious topic.

I think dr*audio's original intent was to alert us to some interconnects that were a considerable step above the crummy stock or RadioShack ones, but for a price that is easy to swallow. Someone posted about the knuconcepts ones on another thread.

I looked at their site, saw that they also looked really nice for the money, opened the can of worms about doing an exchange program, dr*audio said, in essence, "well put your $$ where your mouth is", so I did.

I'm willing to entertain the idea that spendy speaker cables and interconnects can make a difference, but I think these differences are negligible unless you have pretty high end gear and good ears. I also think the law of diminishing returns kicks in with cables faster than just about any other area of stereo gear.

In short, my strategy with cables is to move up a few steps from the bottom of the line, and call it good!

[Yamaha1]

I fully believe these cables are as good as you guys say, years back I bought myself Radio Shack Gold cables, lots of people sneered at them but my bank balance was at its lowest so no more VDH unless they were give aways. At another forum, a so called audio expert who shall remained nameless but he does have his own audio DIY site proclaimed Radio Shack interconnects are poorly made with bad sound, they will destroy your equipment by creating hum, they will corrode in a year or so, well after 15 years the cables are still there, working day in and out, I have shifted my house to other venues and my equipment had to be moved, that meant the cables had to come out and back again, they survived all that and still sound good so definitely will check these cables out.

[MitsuMan]

Here's my review of the KnuKonceptz Kables:
First thing I did was I hooked them into the tape monitor loop on my Kenwood 600 integrated. Switching in and out the tape monitor I heard no difference at all, a good sign. Then I connected them to my CD player in my Onkyo Integra A8087 system. I'm listening to "The Little Willies" on it right now. The bass is nice, tight and extended, highs are clean, imaging is spot on. Previously I had molded crap cables on this player, just never got around to changing them, and the difference is startling. I mostly noticed the bass is improved, much more solid. The imaging seems much improved, I never noticed it being so accurate before. Piano and voice sound so friggin' real! I had no trouble pushing the connectors on, they fit on snugly with normal force, and you feel a slight click as they push home. I'm ordering up some of these cables ASAP. This weekend I'll send them out to the next person on the list, MitsuMan.

Warren, have you had a chance to send these yet? :scratch2:

[dr*audio]

This time I'm the one holding up the works. I've had a rough week, working late, and had a few "Honey - Do" jobs around the house. I will listen to them this weekend and get them off to you, hopefully Sunday.

Warren

[MitsuMan]

This time I'm the one holding up the works. I've had a rough week, working late, and had a few "Honey - Do" jobs around the house. I will listen to them this weekend and get them off to you, hopefully Sunday.

Warren

No worries :beerchug: Give them a good listen and send them out at your leisure.

[wineslob]

Well after almost two weeks I finally had some time to review the MCM cables in-between a school project (Mission San Francisco de Solano) and other projects.

The MCM cable are a nicely built product, especially at it's price point.
I compared these to my Zebra Analog IC's already in my system.
I used the MCM's from the CDP to preamp thinking that this would show off the most differences, which it did.

Using several of my favorite CD's I first played the selected cuts with the system as-is and then changed out the Zebras with the MCM's.
First off, these are nice sounding cable not adding any grain, sibilance, or other annoying traits.
At first I was very surprised at the midrange detail, and bass response, both very good. However the sound stage was a little flat, with less "fleshing out" than the Zebras.
The ability to detect the "bubble" of the recordings, some call it "air", was not as great as the Zebra's, leading piano's to sound smaller in phyiscal size. Vocalists shrank in size also, and retracted into the soundstage to the plane of the speakers rather than standing in front of them.
These traits were what gave me a brief "wow" factor, because they brought more attention to the mids rather than the whole spectrum.
That being said, they are still an over-achiever, and unless you have a very high resolution system (Ap's are brutal) I would HIGHLY recommend these, they just can't be beat for the price.



System:

Amp: Bedini 150/150 mk II

Pre: Lux C-02

SACD: Marantz SA 8260

Speakers: Apogee Duetta II's

Speaker wire: Speltz Anti-Cables on MR/T and Rat shack flat 16ga. OFC on the bass panels.

[dr*audio]

Excellent review! I'm glad they got a shakedown on such a fine system! I am a big fan of Apogee speakers!:thmbsp:
The next person in line is BGRoberts. PM him for his address.

[wineslob]

Will do! :yes:

BTW this is really fun, and it drives my wife crazy, so it's a two-fer-one! :banana:

[barrynsue]

I just checked the MCM site and appears they may have been watching this thread! Cables are now priced at $22.00 a pair.

Still not bad for all the good things stated here but it's nearly 80% higher than when the thread was started. Maybe I entered the wrong cable but I assume it is the 72" one.

[dr*audio]

Yes, I noticed that. I have a set of KnuKunceptz cables here that I hope to finish evaluating this weekend and pass them on. So far they sound every bit as good as the MCM cables at $10 a pair!

[sleddogman]

I just checked the MCM site and appears they may have been watching this thread! Cables are now priced at $22.00 a pair.

Still not bad for all the good things stated here but it's nearly 80% higher than when the thread was started. Maybe I entered the wrong cable but I assume it is the 72" one.

I think most folks have been referring to the 36" or 3 foot cables for $12.37 in qty 1 to 9.

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2155

Unfortunately, as of checking today, the 3' MCM's are on 97 day backorder, so based on dr*audio's initial impressions, the folks over at KnuKonceptz got my business because they're in stock and about $2 less a pair (which just about covered the shipping.)

Interesting twisted pair speaker cable there too, which is akin to what's used in Ethernet cabling to keep signal strength up and noise down in up to 300 ft runs, so I also bought their 30 foot spool-end of 16 gauge to cobble together two 15 foot cables to play with for a mere $12.00. I loves leftovers... :D

Also want to say Thanks! as I was in the market for some reasonably priced new interconnects and these fit the bill. :thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

Here's my review of the KnuKonceptz cables:
I set them up in 2 different systems.
System 1 is my Computer system:
Onkyo Integra A-8087 Integrated Amp
Technics SL-PJ20 CD Player
Dynaco A-25 speakers.
I connected them to the CD player. I listened to "The Little Willies" and it sounded very natural. Great imaging that I never had heard out of that player before. I had previously been using el-cheapo molded cables on it. I also noticed the bass was much better, better low end extension than I had ever heard out of that player before.
Next I moved on to another system:
Sansui G-8000 receiver
Onkyo Integra DX-706 CD Player
Home built speakers (Eclipse 10" woofers and MB Quart tweeters in a ported cabinet)
I have 2 sets of outputs on the CD player so I used the MCM cables on one set of outputs and the Knukonceptz on the other set into a different input on the receiver so I could switch between them. Again, the both cables provided excellent imaging and bass. I thought the image might be a bit more solid with the Knukonceptz cables on Amanda McBroom's "Growing Up in Hollywood Town", but when I listened to Saint-Saens Organ Symphony (Eugene Ormandy, Philadelphia Orchestra and Michael Murray on Telarc) I thought the MCM cables had a slight edge with imaging. When I listened through headphones, Sennheiser HD-580's I could hear no difference at all switching between the 2 cables.
So there it is. I think the Knukonceptz cables are a heck of a good deal and I am ordering a set right away. I am definitely not putting the crappy molded cables back on the Technics.
Next the cables go to Mitsuman.

[dr*audio]

I ordered a set of the Knukonceptz Krystal Kables. There was a place to put your comments so I told them about AK and that we were circulating their cables to try out, with favorable results. I got back a confirmation e-mail with a personal reply from the owner. I'll share it here:

"Thanks for the input from the AudioKarma group. I checked out the site, I really like how you guys work together to truly help each other out. I saw one fellow mention "deathgrip".... that could only be from the Locking RCA ends that he could not figure out how to use. I am sure you have seen the type that compress by screwing down the outersleeve to "Lock" the connection. Even though it comes with a warning right on the box how to use. If you try to install or remove in the "lock" position its next to impossible.

These ends are used on the eKs line, which is our top of the line cable.


Take Care
Bill"

Now that's personal service!
I sent the cables on to Mitsuman and now I can't wait for mine to arrive!

[MitsuMan]

I ordered a set of the Knukonceptz Krystal Kables. There was a place to put your comments so I told them about AK and that we were circulating their cables to try out, with favorable results. I got back a confirmation e-mail with a personal reply from the owner. I'll share it here:

"Thanks for the input from the AudioKarma group. I checked out the site, I really like how you guys work together to truly help each other out. I saw one fellow mention "deathgrip".... that could only be from the Locking RCA ends that he could not figure out how to use. I am sure you have seen the type that compress by screwing down the outersleeve to "Lock" the connection. Even though it comes with a warning right on the box how to use. If you try to install or remove in the "lock" position its next to impossible.

These ends are used on the eKs line, which is our top of the line cable.


Take Care
Bill"

Now that's personal service!
I sent the cables on to Mitsuman and now I can't wait for mine to arrive!

Warren, thanks again for sending them. I can't wait to try them. :banana:

[stuartk]

I ordered a set of the Knukonceptz Krystal Kables. There

Their Klarity cables actually look like they'd be a better bet.

[stuartk]

Usually when there is a directional marking on the cable it means there are 2 internal wires; signal and ground and the shield is connected to ground on one end only, to prevent ground loops. The shield is connected at the signal source end. I have not bothered to verify this; one would have to take the connector apart which is easy to do, but putting it back together properly is a #%^&*. Also it's easy to break the wire if you aren't careful taking the cable apart. So please don't try it!:no:

That only works with balanced connections. An unbalanced cable like an RCA cable has to have the ground connected at both ends or you don't have a complete circuit.

Having a pair of wire inside and a separate shield isn't what you really want for an unbalanced cable. Hooking up the shield to the ground at only one end won't do a thing to avoid ground loops with an unbalanced connection either.

So, an RCA cable with directional arrows is a very good indicator of snake oil being a key ingredient in the manufacture of that cable. :)

[dr*audio]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Conceivably they could have 2 internal wires, say red and black. The red is the signal, the black goes to ground. This internal pair could be twisted, or not. Then they connect the shield to ground at the source end only. I think the advantage of this would be lower cable capacitance over a center conductor and shield. The shield need not be connected at both ends because the inner ground conductor completes the circuit. The shield is just a shield. Do some reading on noise reduction and I think you will find connecting the shield only at the source is common practice. Yes, it's more common in balanced circuits but I think it could be used in unbalanced as well.

That only works with balanced connections. An unbalanced cable like an RCA cable has to have the ground connected at both ends or you don't have a complete circuit.

Having a pair of wire inside and a separate shield isn't what you really want for an unbalanced cable. Hooking up the shield to the ground at only one end won't do a thing to avoid ground loops with an unbalanced connection either.

So, an RCA cable with directional arrows is a very good indicator of snake oil being a key ingredient in the manufacture of that cable. :)

[stuartk]

I think most folks have been referring to the 36" or 3 foot cables for $12.37 in qty 1 to 9.

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=50%2D2155

Unfortunately, as of checking today, the 3' MCM's are on 97 day backorder, so based on dr*audio's initial impressions, the folks over at KnuKonceptz got my business because they're in stock and about $2 less a pair (which just about covered the shipping.)

Interesting twisted pair speaker cable there too, which is akin to what's used in Ethernet cabling to keep signal strength up and noise down in up to 300 ft runs, so I also bought their 30 foot spool-end of 16 gauge to cobble together two 15 foot cables to play with for a mere $12.00. I loves leftovers... :D




97 day backorder? They might as well admit they just can't get them anymore. :)

As for the twisted pair speaker cable, the cable used in those orange outdoor extension cables is normally twisted. You only use 2 of the 3 conductors. These are the same as the infamous (on some Internet audios forums anyway) "Home Depot" wires.

Someone loaned me a pair of "Home Depot" wires a few weeks ago. I swapped them in and honestly didn't hear any difference between them and 12 Ga. zip cord. Perhaps if my home environment had more EMI or RFI I would have noticed a difference?

I didn't do a blind or double blind test, but I found out a while ago that DBTs of cables is really, really boring, so I don't bother anymore. :)


As far as I know, twisting pairs of conductors, with ethernet or otherwise, doen't keep the signal strength up, nor block the entry of noise. It exposes both conductors equally to the noise so you can then cancel it out.

[stuartk]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Conceivably they could have 2 internal wires, say red and black. The red is the signal, the black goes to ground. This internal pair could be twisted, or not. Then they connect the shield to ground at the source end only. I think the advantage of this would be lower cable capacitance over a center conductor and shield. The shield need not be connected at both ends because the inner ground conductor completes the circuit. The shield is just a shield. Do some reading on noise reduction and I think you will find connecting the shield only at the source is common practice. Yes, it's more common in balanced circuits but I think it could be used in unbalanced as well.

The whole point of connecting the shield at only one end is to avoid connecting the ground of one chassis to the ground of another via the interconnect cable.

That doesn't apply with an unbalanced connection.

[sleddogman]

The whole point of connecting the shield at only one end is to avoid connecting the ground of one chassis to the ground of another via the interconnect cable.

That doesn't apply with an unbalanced connection.

I have a set of component video cables made by AR that run between my DVD player and my Sharp Aquos which have distinctive directional arrows embossed on one end (arrow end on TV inputs per instructions.) Are component video cables considered balanced or unbalanced?

[MitsuMan]

Well, I finally got a chance to give the KnuKonceptz IC's a try. I've not had a lot of serious listening yet, and want to try them with my Mitsu A15 amp that I get back from the shop this weekend, but here's my impression so far.

I gave them a try listening to The Doobie Brothers - The Captain and Me.
I compared them to the MCM cables connecting them from the pre-outs on my preamp to the main in on the receiver.

Equipment:
Mitsubishi DA-C20 tuner/preamp (feeding the Technics)
Technics SA-700 receiver (power amp section only)
Mitsubishi DP-EC2 turntable
Grado Gold cartridge
Mitsubishi MS-30 Monitor speakers (3-way)
Monster Cable 12 gauge speaker wire

First impression of the KnuKonceptz, listening to Long Train Runnin' was that the highs were a tad brighter. The mids were very pronounced, and gave a very realistic presence to the vocals. I really liked the sound of the harmonica, as it was very natural and live sounding. Soundstage was no wider, but seemed more "out front."

Switching back to the MCM cables, listening to Long Train Runnin' again, I immediately noticed the bass was fuller and louder. What I thought was extended highs from the KnuKonceptz was really a lack of bass I think. The highs were just as clear but more folded into the overall sound with the MCM cables. Soundstage was no different to my ears, but the mids seemed more laid back and natural? and not as "out front" and in your face.

At least from this cursory trial, I think I like the MCM cables better overall. I am interested to hear the KK cables connected to a better amplifier, and I really want to hear some more vocals with them. Overall, I think they are a fine IC for the money. Who knows, given some addtional testing of a wider variety of music I may come to like them better. But for now, I'm sticking with the MCM's. :smoke:

I'll give them some more serious listening, and then I'll forward them. Thanks again to Warren for sending them, and to riverrat for purchasing them and getting this started. :beerchug:

[dr*audio]

I have a set of component video cables made by AR that run between my DVD player and my Sharp Aquos which have distinctive directional arrows embossed on one end (arrow end on TV inputs per instructions.) Are component video cables considered balanced or unbalanced?


Component video cables are unbalanced. I offered the only explanation I could think of for the direction markings on the cables. I do know that if the MCM cables are connected backwards they cause the sound to deteriorate. I think someone tried that early in this thread, then re-installed them in the correct direction and said they were fine.

[riverrat]

Great reviews. It is such a PIA to change cables around on my set-up that I may never get around to a direct comparison. They both sound "pretty good" to me.

MCM interconnects are on sale in their latest flyer:

#50-2150 1.5' reg $11.36 sale $5.70
#50-2155 3' reg $12.37 sale $6.20
#50-2160 6' reg $21.19 sale $7.35
#50-2165 12' reg 18.69 sale $9.30

I think you need to call to get this price, and mention source code 702166.

Online, I put a couple sets of 6' in my cart, which showed a box for the source code. (Also showed 67 sets in stock.) But the sale price would not show. There was a notice that the sale price would be charged when they process the order. I didn't complete the order to find out, and cannot confirm they actually have these. It might be better to just call them- 800-543-4330.

These prices are allegedly good through March 30th.

According to the flyer

[mikey3117]

I think you need to call to get this price, and mention source code 702166.

I called them with that source code and they said it was invalid....

[dr*audio]

I called them with that source code and they said it was invalid....


I have a flyer good til March 30 with a source code 702105. Try that one.

[riverrat]

I called them with that source code and they said it was invalid....

Strange, I re-checked and that is the correct source code on my catalog. It says all the prices are good through March 30th. But it does also give a "customer number", and says to have both numbers available when ordering. Maybe that was the problem.

[MitsuMan]

Who gets the KnuKonceptz cables next.........or do they go back to riverrat? :scratch2:

[MitsuMan]

Please sign me up for the Knu Kables!

My bad, PM sent. :sigh:

[mikey3117]

I have a flyer good til March 30 with a source code 702105. Try that one.

I just bought 12 pairs of the 6 footers (I wish they had the 3 footers!) for $97! And that included shipping! I can now completely re-cable my whole system with quality interconnects. Thanks guys!

[wineslob]

My bad, PM sent. :sigh:

Got em a couple days ago. My schdule is pretty ,full might be a few days till I get to them.

Thought I would add an update, the wife and I have been under the weather for the past week. I havent forgotten the cables and will review ASAP.

[mikey3117]

I received the MCM cables yesterday and recabled my entire system last night! They seem to be a high quality, attractive interconnect... As far as sound quality.....I don't know if they are any better than any other, but they sure look nice! Thanks guys for the heads up on these, I got 12 pairs for under $100 shipped!

[Bigerik]

Hey, I sure hope I have done this sometime in this thread, but I just wanna give a big thank you to Dr*Audio for offering these cables out to be tested. Truly captures the spirit of TOL!
:thmbsp:

[dr*audio]

Thanks also to riverrat for finding and circulating the NuKonceptz Kables!

[Bigerik]

Thanks also to riverrat for finding and circulating the NuKonceptz Kables!

Definately!
Thanks guys. Your efforts are much appreciated!

[stuartk]

If it's convenient, I'd like to try these once they make their way back to Cleveburg. I could probably stop by and grab them, plus check out your stereo system and chat a bit. Is that a possibility?

[dr*audio]

Sure, I'll PM you when they come in.

[MitsuMan]

Got em a couple days ago. My schdule is pretty ,full might be a few days till I get to them.

Thought I would add an update, the wife and I have been under the weather for the past week. I havent forgotten the cables and will review ASAP.

You ok? :scratch2:

[wineslob]

You ok? :scratch2:

I'm fine now but the wife was in the hospital for 2 days. She had a UTI and then contracted a NASTY intestinal flu which I then got. It put me on my back for 4 days, and until last fri my insides werent happy. I'm planning on reviewing the Kables this weekend.
My wife is still dealing with a ovarian cyst, so she's not in a good mood. :thumbsdn:

[MitsuMan]

I'm fine now but the wife was in the hospital for 2 days. She had a UTI and then contracted a NASTY intestinal flu which I then got. It put me on my back for 4 days, and until last fri my insides werent happy. I'm planning on reviewing the Kables this weekend.
My wife is still dealing with a ovarian cyst, so she's not in a good mood. :thumbsdn:

Sheesh, I hope things improve for you and your wife. Sorry to hear about the health issues. Life can knock you on your ass once in a while, that's for sure. Here's to a speedy recovery to your wife. :beerchug:

[wineslob]

Thx. We've been though a bad 5 years, but I wont bore you with the details. Suffiice it to say, things are getting better. :yes:

[JackJD]

Anyone else find the MCM cables to be a tight fit on the RCA connection?

I cannot fit them over the analog RCA "outs" on my Sony JA-333ES Minidisc recorder... But I have no problem connecting the same cable to the coaxial out on the same deck... Very strange.

Keep Smilin', JackJD

[JackJD]

Queue Pink Floyd's The Wall:

:sing: Is there anybody out there...?:sing:


Anyone?

[dr*audio]

I have seen the MCM cables be a tight fit on some connectors. You can remedy this by carefully removing just the outer barrel and reaming it out with a drill bit. Don't allow the connector to turn on the cable when you do this or you'll break the cable. I think it's a manufacturing tolerance issue, because not all of them do this. My advice is, if you have another place where you can use the cable, then buy another cable for the application where it won't fit (try the NuKonceptz) or call MCM and explain the problem and ask for an exchange.

[JackJD]

Thank you for the response...

You can remedy this by carefully removing just the outer barrel and reaming it out with a drill bit.

:sigh: Wow, using a drill? :sigh:

I wish I would have known of this issue before I purchased.

Anyone else having problems?

[dr*audio]

You just turn the drill bit by hand, it only takes a few minutes to do. You select a bit that is just slightly larger than the opening in the sleeve. I didn't mention this because most of them don't have this problem. I haven't had it on any that I have bought, but a friend bought 2 pairs and one pair was tight on some connectors.

[wineslob]

Well I finally got around to hooking up the Nukonceptz Kables. They are very nicely constructed, with attention to detail (the wiring inside the RCA's is insulated, nice :yes: ).
I used the usual suspects as far as CD's, equipment ect.. (see my sig)
I put them in place of the Zebra Analog IC's between my CDP and preamp.
I did a few hours of listening, switching between the Zebra and the Nu's.
For the life of I me cannot hear a difference!
So a big thumbs up for these! :thmbsp:

[riverrat]

Well I finally got around to hooking up the Nukonceptz Kables. They are very nicely constructed, with attention to detail (the wiring inside the RCA's is insulated, nice :yes: ). I used the usual suspects as far as CD's, equipment ect.. (see my sig) I put them in place of the Zebra Analog IC's between my CDP and preamp. I did a few hours of listening, switching between the Zebra and the Nu's. For the life of I me cannot hear a difference!
So a big thumbs up for these! :thmbsp:

Are the Knuconcepts still making the rounds? If so, great- the more reviewers the better. If not perhaps I could get them back at some point.

[wineslob]

I have them, but dont know if I'm "last in line"?

[dr*audio]

onepixel gets them next, since he's in California, too.
Then stuartk, then they go back home to riverrat.

[onepixel]

Cool! Totally forgot about them.

[riverrat]

onepixel gets them next, since he's in California, too.
Then stuartk, then they go back home to riverrat.

Unless someone else chimes in and wants to demo them in the meantime. No rush at all to get them back here.

[TheAnalogman]

Unless someone else chimes in and wants to demo them in the meantime. No rush at all to get them back here.

I'd like to give them a shot, if that's ok.

[nickrobotron]

i'll do it!

[dr*audio]

Here's the Knuconceptz list:
onepixel
stuartk
TheAnalogman
nickrobotron
riverrat.

nickrobotron, where are you located so we can route the cables so it makes sense?

[JimJ[VT]]

I've used Knu Krystal Kables for a few years now...some of the best built cables I've tried :)

[nickrobotron]

Nick Robertson
321 Warner Ave.
Bonner Springs, KS 66012
United States

[dr*audio]

Here's the Knuconceptz list:
onepixel
nickrobotron
stuartk
TheAnalogman
riverrat.

Nick, are you sure you want everyone on the internet to be able to see your address? You should really send that kind of info in a PM. You might want to edit out the address, I only needed to know the state at this point.

[nickrobotron]

Nah, I don't care. If someone really wanted to know they'd be able to find it. People are generally good anyway. ;)

[TheAnalogman]

Now I know where to send that anthrax I had lying around.
:smile:

[onepixel]

I'm still waiting for the Knuconceptz cables.

[wineslob]

I'm still waiting for the Knuconceptz cables.

I'll be getting those out Monday, I've been buried at work and home. :(

[onepixel]

I'll be getting those out Monday, I've been buried at work and home. :(

Cool...just making sure the Postman wasn't grooving on some freebies. :D

[JBL 4645]

I have these great cables from MCM, Part# 50-2160, they are dirt cheap, and are made with very high quality parts. The connectors look like Tiffin connectors. I think they sound great and I've been trying to get others to try them because I think people are overpaying for interconnects, when they could get something for a fraction of the cost that might sound as good. So I was thinking; I have an extra pair that I would like to offer to anyone who wants to try them, but you have to write a review, then pass them on to anyone else who requests them. So lets get started. Post your requests here. You get to keep them for 2 weeks, then pass them on to the next person. PM the next person on the list to get their shipping address. Post your reviews to this thread.
http://www.mcminone.com/content/productimages/s4/3943530.jpg


What’s dirt cheap mean anyway? Do they cost £4.00 UK if not I’m not interested.

[TheAnalogman]

A fast google search led me to here:

http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog_name=MCMProducts&product_id=50-2160

$21.

[onepixel]

I got the Knuconceptz cables today. They look pretty cool.

But I won't be able to test them out for awhile since I'm going to be out of town unexpectedly for awhile.

I did get 5 pairs of the MCM cables when there was that AK promo sale. Can't tell if there is a difference in sound but they handle very well. Great quality for cheap.

[dr*audio]

We have another member interested in these cables. Here's the Updated Knuconceptz list:
onepixel
Stewie
nickrobotron
stuartk
TheAnalogman
riverrat.

[dr*audio]

The updated MCM Cables list:
1. yamahammer
2. JimmyNeutron
3. Thedelihaus
4. Strawman
5. Kamakiri
6. Tripqzon
7. Cosmos
8. Onepixel
9. wineslob
10. BGRoberts
11.Stewie
12. Bigerik
13. GaryP

BG Roberts should have them now. Do you?

[wineslob]

Dr*audio, maybe I'm having an oldheimers moment, but I dont recall getting the MCM cables????
Maybe I need more prune juice. :sigh:

[dr*audio]

Yeah, you did, you said you didn't like them as much as the Zebra cables. Check back through the thread.

[onepixel]

Dr*audio, maybe I'm having an oldheimers moment, but I dont recall getting the MCM cables????
Maybe I need more prune juice. :sigh:

You also said that you were gonna send me the Apogees.

:D

[stuartk]

You also said that you were gonna send me the Apogees.

:D

Now I think he's just going to tell you you're full of prune juice. :D

[onepixel]

Sent off the Knuconceptz to Stewie yesterday.

Here is my review. The cables are beautifully made and handle very well. But I'm not a fan of that particular type of connectors used. Similar to the ones found on Monsters. They grab to tight and especially on vintage gear I fear that I'm pulling the innards out while removing them.

Soundwise they sound pretty good but not any better or worse than the MCMs. Again I used a Pioneer SA-9100 with two AUX. Two nearly identical Yamaha CDPs and two identical test CDs. And I flipped back and forth while both CDPs were playing.

If it weren't for those tight connectors I'd buy a pile.

[Mayank]

I am convinced!

Thank you dr*audio & riverrat for managing this very interesting and vaulable effort!

I am all set to order 36" MCM cables for my entire audio set up - was wondering if anyone had a current promotional source code to get a really good deal?

Thanks in advance :music:

Mayank

[riverrat]

Thank you dr*audio & riverrat for managing this very interesting and vaulable effort!

Thanks but dr*audio is the original instigator and manager. I sponsored the set of knukables (or whatever they are called) and sent them off, but I haven't done anything since.

It is worth it to me just to hear what other folks think.

[dr*audio]

They are not in the latest flyer, I think you missed the sale price. They go on sale every few months. You can go to the website and sign up on the mailing list and wait for the next sale, or just buy 'em.



I am convinced!

Thank you dr*audio & riverrat for managing this very interesting and vaulable effort!

I am all set to order 36" MCM cables for my entire audio set up - was wondering if anyone had a current promotional source code to get a really good deal?

Thanks in advance :music:

Mayank

[wineslob]

You also said that you were gonna send me the Apogees.

:D


:nono:

But you are welcome to come up and listen to them. :yes:

[wineslob]

Yeah, you did, you said you didn't like them as much as the Zebra cables. Check back through the thread.

DOH!

[onepixel]

DOH!

Did that refresh your memory? Remember about the speakers now?!

:D

[ponderbear]

50-2160 is now out of stock! Thanks a lot, man.

[Mayank]

Ponderbear:

I am not the culprit :nono:

I ordered a few miles of the 36" cables (part no 50-2155).

They are still in stock.

Mayank

[dr*audio]

Who has the MCM cables and the Knuconceptz cables now?

[onepixel]

I sent the Knuconceptz to Stewie awhile back.

[BGRoberts]

I have the MCM's.
Sorry, I recently moved and they are still packed away.
If someone will tell me who they go to next, I'll get them out and on the way ASAP.
BG

[dr*audio]

I have the MCM's.
Sorry, I recently moved and they are still packed away.
If someone will tell me who they go to next, I'll get them out and on the way ASAP.
BG


They go to Stewie. I'll PM you with his address.

[nickrobotron]

I'm ready to pass the Knuconceptz on. Who's next?

[hakaplan]

Nick, I went back and found the most recent list. I've added myself to just above riverrat as he instructed. Looks like they go to stuartk next.

nickrobotron
stuartk
TheAnalogman
hakaplan
riverrat

[riverrat]

Any additional people who want to try the knukonceptz should add their name just ABOVE mine. If and when we ever run out of folks who want to try them I wouldn't mind having them back but if they just keep traveling around to new testers that is fine too.

[dr*audio]

Thanks, hakaplan. I've been super busy lately and didn't check the thread. Who has the MCM cables now?

[stuartk]

I'm ready to pass the Knuconceptz on. Who's next?

Looks like that would be me. I'll send you a PM with my address.

[BGRoberts]

I'd like to add my name to the list to try the knukonceptz cables.
Where do I find the list?
Thanks!
BG

[BGRoberts]

MCM Cable Review

Just wanted to post a quick review on the MCM cables.
I tried them on:
Pioneer QV949 quad receiver
Toshiba 3990 DVD player
JBL 4412 studio monitors

I'm pretty new to "good" audio components, so I had my friend James come over for the first audition. I had the Toshiba plugged in with the interconnects that came with it. I know, that's not much to compare to, but it's what I had. Anyway, we spent some time listening to Diana Krall's "Love Scenes" CD, which sounded pretty nice.

Then we swapped the MCM's into the setup.

The difference was immediately obvious to me. The bass tightened up. The highs became much more detailed. As I later said, "Before, I could hear the brushes on the snare drum. With the MCM's, I could hear INDIVIDUAL STRANDS of the brushes!".

I kept watching James face to see if I was imagining things. He'd been sceptical that there'd be any difference, using such a low-fi source as the Toshiba. The astonished look on his face told me I wasn't dreaming here. It was a vastly apparent improvement.

I bought 2 pairs of MCM's, and will probably buy more as I setup my various stereo's throughout the house.

Thanks for the chance to try them!

BG

[dnewma04]

I am trying to arrange some more demo cables to send from Knukonceptz. I "know" Bill, the owner, pretty well and hope to be able to get various levels of his cables to try out. I have, and most of my car audio fan friends have had nothing but positive things to say about the build quality at every price level they sell. I'll keep you guys posted on my progress and will start a post.

[dr*audio]

You're on it now!

nickrobotron
stuartk
TheAnalogman
hakaplan
BGRoberts
riverrat[/QUOTE]

[stuartk]

You're on it now!

nickrobotron
stuartk
TheAnalogman
hakaplan
BGRoberts
riverrat

I never received them from nickrobotron.

I've compared some other wire in recent months, and I don't really feel motivated to compare any more. So go ahead and pass them along to TheAnalogman.

[TheAnalogman]

I never received them from nickrobotron.

I've compared some other wire in recent months, and I don't really feel motivated to compare any more. So go ahead and pass them along to TheAnalogman.

Nick! Do you have the cables, or no?

:banana:

[TheAnalogman]

Bump.

[riverrat]

Have the knuconceptz cables been lost in the ozone? Just trying to herd them along...

[dnewma04]

I think Nick has been very busy and not on here very often at all. I will email him.

[riverrat]

Stopping in for my 2-week check-in.

Seems the knuconceptz are dead in the water...

[Pappas3278]

Hey. Anyone else feel the MCM cables do not provide a tight enough fit?

After cleaning all the male and female RCAs on my preamp, amp, and sources, I've been utterly shocked at how important those connections are. Don't get me wrong, I like the way the cables sound, but I can't help but think I could get more out of them if they were just a little more snug.

Is there a way to do this? With other cables, this is an easy task, but with these it is not so easy.

-Mike

[dr*audio]

Actually, most people have been complaining they are too tight. To tighten them you could remove the outer barrel, being careful not to let the connector body turn with respect to the cable, then use a pliers to pinch the gold outer contact slightly.

[cfranz]

You do rea