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Duffinator
07-11-2006, 11:09 PM
I really like the Sansui sound and am thinking of getting a seperates/integrated setup. My first real receiver was a 3000A back in 1977 and I now have a 9090DB and a G-8000. Will the seperates be that much of an improvement over either or my receivers?

How about some suggestions of what you think are the best sounding combinations using only Sansui gear. Only caveat is I won't be paying a small fortune for a BA 5000 so you can leave that off your list. This setup will be pushing my ADS L810 speakers. Wattage is important but overall sound quality it tops. I listen to a variety of music most of it is rock/pop and I listen mostly at moderate levels but do like to rock out on occasion. Should I look for a BA/CA 3000 combo? If so what tuner goes with it? Or how about an AU 9900/11000/22000? Or maybe a AU/TU 919? I really like the dual transformers in the 717/919. Maybe a BA F1? How about some of the later gear like an Alpha series? Also consider reliability and availability of parts. So what do you have for me?

bully
07-11-2006, 11:35 PM
If available, you may want to check out the 200 wpc 2101 or 2102, or even the 300 wpc 2301.
Yes, they should really improve your sound experience.

radioactive
07-12-2006, 12:45 AM
hi Duffinator,

i dont think you could go wrong with the ba3000/ca3000 combination.if you want to save a bit of cash you could pair the ba3000 with the ca2000.some people like the ca2000 even better then the ca3000.i have the ba3000 and love it.i'm, sure at 170w /ch is should be more then enough power for your speakers and if you need more wattage you can just bridge the 3000 for 340w and buy another amp.as far as the tuner goes the tu9900 will fit in with the setup nicely.

onepixel
07-12-2006, 12:56 AM
So far my forays into separates have been pretty positive. So much so, I've said good bye to most of my receivers. I'm still waiting for that dang Sansui amp. Should be here on the 13th. I'll let you know if there is a drastic improvement in sound quality over the 8080db.

SuiDog
07-12-2006, 06:59 AM
I had to change my avatar for this one :)

I'll give a plug for the CA/BA-2000 amps. Warm, smooth and most of all, full sounding, not so digitally crisp as the later amps and integrates. The 110W conservatively rated BA-2000 is capable of doing physical damage to your ADS L810's :bash:
It will rock out with the needles bouncing into the red hour after hour, day after day. Smoothly. :zoom:
I have two AU-11000 integrates of the same series also rated at 110W. The lower frequencies sound equal to the BA-2000, but the mids and highs are much more pronounced. Same with my AU-9900, rated a few watts less.
I also have a AU-22000 rated equal to the BA-3000 @ 170W. It is flat too loud for my ears in my 20 x 25 cluttered room. It has the same digitally crisp sound that I personally dislike in other integrates. I would like to check out the BA-3000 with the right speakers. That would be sweet.
Not sure what the hell people do with the BA-5000's 300W, but I bet it's one of the best of all the equally rated vintage amps.

I think this series is direct competition with McIntosh... IMHO.

All this, with some late-model JBL towers rated at 250W max with built-in 200W subwoofer amps.
I am searching out the best vintage speaks to go with these amps. My old KLH's are long gone :tears: I had six of them, 100W RMS, hooked to the single output of my original BA-2000 back in the late 70s when abuse was almost expected. That's when the power protection circuit came in handy :bash:
I've fizzled two of these though, always the right channel. A $50 fix -- don't know what the tech did so don't ask :dunno:
I've always run fans on all my amps.
That's my 2¢! :blah:

bozak ron
07-12-2006, 08:07 AM
Duffinator, you did not mention cost or wattage requirements. All the other suggestions, especially the BA series, are great ones. If you have a smaller budget, look into the AU/Tu 9500 series. The tuner is 5 gang with great specs, and the amp puts out a solid 85 wants per channel producing a warm, tube-like sound. It was one of Sansui's earlier SS models and consequently over-engineered. This set is currently under most people's radar screens and can be bought for a decent price. Several members of this forum own these compnents and love them. I've had mine for over 30 years without a single repair. Good luck whatever you choose.

SuiDog
07-12-2006, 08:14 AM
Duffinator, you did not mention cost or wattage requirements. All the other suggestions, especially the BA series, are great ones. If you have a smaller budget, look into the AU/Tu 9500 series. The tuner is 5 gang with great specs, and the amp puts out a solid 85 wants per channel producing a warm, tube-like sound. It was one of Sansui's earlier SS models and consequently over-engineered. This set is currently under most people's radar screens and can be bought for a decent price. Several members of this forum own these compnents and love them. I've had mine for over 30 years without a single repair. Good luck whatever you choose.

Excellent alternatives bozak ron, I couldn't agree more, on each point, especially the prices. :thmbsp:

SuiDog
07-12-2006, 08:34 AM
I've had mine for over 30 years without a single repair.
Did I fail to mention driving my amps that failed into the power protection mode, several times over many many years, driving a variety of speakers.
The ole one/two :bash:
Oh to be a kid again! :naughty:

Duffinator
07-12-2006, 09:52 AM
Duffinator, you did not mention cost or wattage requirements. All the other suggestions, especially the BA series, are great ones. If you have a smaller budget, look into the AU/Tu 9500 series. The tuner is 5 gang with great specs, and the amp puts out a solid 85 wants per channel producing a warm, tube-like sound. It was one of Sansui's earlier SS models and consequently over-engineered. This set is currently under most people's radar screens and can be bought for a decent price. Several members of this forum own these compnents and love them. I've had mine for over 30 years without a single repair. Good luck whatever you choose.There is no budget constraints other than I'm not going to pay a fortune for a BA 5000. Besides price I don't need that many watts. I've been looking at vintage Mac gear as well but besides the looks I think the Sansui gear could be a better value. Plus Sansui was my first piece of real audio gear so there are sentimental reasons as well. As long as the amp will drive my 810's to over 100 db that should do it. In other words probably something at 80 watts or above but could go lower. Most all the vintage gear is a good value so no concerns there. Unless each piece is going over $1K then that's getting a bit pricey. I think some of the Alpha stuff might be that high.

Duffinator
07-12-2006, 09:54 AM
I had to change my avatar for this one :)

I'll give a plug for the CA/BA-2000 amps. Warm, smooth and most of all, full sounding, not so digitally crisp as the later amps and integrates. The 110W conservatively rated BA-2000 is capable of doing physical damage to your ADS L810's :bash:
It will rock out with the needles bouncing into the red hour after hour, day after day. Smoothly. :zoom:
I have two AU-11000 integrates of the same series also rated at 110W. The lower frequencies sound equal to the BA-2000, but the mids and highs are much more pronounced. Same with my AU-9900, rated a few watts less.
I also have a AU-22000 rated equal to the BA-3000 @ 170W. It is flat too loud for my ears in my 20 x 25 cluttered room. It has the same digitally crisp sound that I personally dislike in other integrates. I would like to check out the BA-3000 with the right speakers. That would be sweet.
Not sure what the hell people do with the BA-5000's 300W, but I bet it's one of the best of all the equally rated vintage amps.Some excellent advice here. I was watching the recent BA/CA 2000 combo that sold on ePay the other day very closely. Besides those I really like the looks of the AU-9900 and it looks to be an excellent value.

Any other suggestions? Anybody here own the Alpha gear?

Duffinator
07-12-2006, 10:30 PM
Anyone else have any seperates they want to recommend?

Scorpion8
07-12-2006, 10:55 PM
I have a Sansui AU-717 amp that I love the sound from, and hooked up a TU-217 tuner to is as I never was much of a radio dog. But the big Sansui integrateds are bulletproof, sound great, and rugged. Mine drove a pair of Infinity Reference Standard 1.5's for years as loud as I ever needed them and I'm a classic metal fan, so they got a good workout.

krimney
07-12-2006, 10:59 PM
amp is 578 or 5781

pre is 572 or 5721

tuner is 673 or 6731

The 1 at the end indicates a black version. the tuner is highly rated. amp is 210/channel and is very industrial looking, two big meters and lots of cooling fins.

Duffinator
07-12-2006, 11:27 PM
amp is 578 or 5781

pre is 572 or 5721

tuner is 673 or 6731

The 1 at the end indicates a black version. the tuner is highly rated. amp is 210/channel and is very industrial looking, two big meters and lots of cooling fins.That's an interesting suggestion. Got a link to more information?

Scorp, I'm very interested in an AU/TU 717 combo. I've always liked the dual power supplies in them and they look cool. Seems to be one of the most popular combos and from what everyone says for good reasons. The BA/CA combo also sounds interesting if I could find some locally. A BA 5000 just sold on ePay that was local but it was a beater and still went for over $600.

Keep those opinions coming. :yes:

mikey3117
07-13-2006, 01:17 AM
Another plug for the BA-2000! I use this with my McIntosh C26 preamp and it sounds very good! I have a TU-717 tuner that I love also, though I don't listen to FM like I used to... I'd love a CA-3000....because of the cool meters of course! :)

sansuisammy
07-13-2006, 04:58 AM
More support for the CA/BA-2000. I've got this set up with the TU-9900 & AU-11000, and I just can't speak highly enough of it. It's an absolute privilege to own. More punch than I could ever need, and sounds beautiful. Looks damn hot all set up together too!!!

SuiDog
07-13-2006, 08:28 AM
WOW, nice to see a following of the Professional/Definition Series. :banana:

I got a CA/BA-2000 pair off eBay for $499 that are damn near immaculate. I won another BA-2000 for $145, good to go. I won't list the others :blah:

The next series integrated amps & tunas with black face/knobs are also very desirable; AU-919/717, TU-919, etc..
Especially if you get a competent tech like Echo Wars to work some magic on em :zoom:

My 3 BA-2000's sound identical and have been serviced & tested by Doug @ Audio Specialties in Portland... he did same with all of my gear.

Good luck to you Duffinator! :thmbsp:

Duffinator
07-13-2006, 10:34 AM
More support for the CA/BA-2000. I've got this set up with the TU-9900 & AU-11000, and I just can't speak highly enough of it. It's an absolute privilege to own. More punch than I could ever need, and sounds beautiful. Looks damn hot all set up together too!!!So how do the CA/BA combo sound compared to your AU/TU combo? Is there much of a difference? So does the TU 7900/9900 match up with both the AU 9900/11000/20000 and the BA/CA series? I really like the looks of these series of components and if they sound as good as they look this is probably the direction I'll head in.

Unless a nice AU/TU 717 combo drops in my lap. So does the AU 717/517/719 have dual transformers but the AU 919 doesn't? What's up with that?

Isn't the TU 9900 hard to come by? I'm not listening to a lot of FM would a TU 7900 work just as well?

Suidog, sounds like you need to unload some of the gear. Any plans of traveling to Sacramento soon???

mikey3117
07-13-2006, 11:34 AM
Hi SuiDog! You mentioned Doug at Audio Specialties! I'd like to give this guy a plug also! I have been bringing my stuff to him for years and he has been very reasonable. I traded my dead AU-717 for partial payment towards my Mac C26, and he was very fair! Nice guy, knowledgeable and does great work!

Spinakerr
07-13-2006, 12:39 PM
I echo Suidog's sentiments on the separates vs. intergrates (intergratum?gratex?) - my au 9900 does have more pronounced upper and midband, whereas the ca2000/ba2000 combo i've heard is a bit more laid back at higher khz - subjectively, of course.

it's almost impossible to 'audition' these components before buyign them but I think the key is matching - have a good old search of the forums and see what people say about each one, and especially what sources they use. Personally, with an older cd player and warm turntable, the upper boost of the amplifier is a boon, but if you were considering an incisive, brittle sounding cd player, like higher end Chord the like, the seperates may suit you better.

nosirrah
07-13-2006, 09:25 PM
I have an AU 9500 coupled to a lowly t-80 tuner for the garage, it sounds great, and has been bullet-proof, only questionable flaw is the power switch and speaker select are on the same knob.The matching tuner will be there soon.
I also listen to a AU 9900/TU7900 combo, very nice looking gear, had output issue with the amp, but it may well be my perception. It sounds very good, maybe not as "warm" as the 9500.
The venerable AU 999 /TU 999 combo rides atop a bookcase in the living room, nothing compares to this setup for my favorite NPR late night blues listening....stretch out on the couch, crank just a bit, and get the depth of my favorite genre...playing through a set of SP 300 speakers.
Audio Doc Warren has sent my repaired CA 3000 back, and Echowars fixed my BA 3000 so this weekend my 990 receiver goes to the den and I will try out the new gear for the first time...using a tu 9900 tuner and a BPC CD player...I am sure more will be revealed.
Casey

bozak ron
07-13-2006, 09:45 PM
SuiDog, save some of that Sansui Professional/Defination series, especially the BA-3000 & BA-2000 amps, for the rest of us in Oregon. We envy your great gear. Let us know if you're ever planning a garage sale! Have a great weekend enjoy the music.

onepixel
07-13-2006, 10:41 PM
I have a question. Did the Sansui separates get progressively better sounding through the 70s and early 80s? And was any of the technology that went into the different amps superior to any particular year?

Duffinator
07-13-2006, 11:24 PM
I have a question. Did the Sansui separates get progressively better sounding through the 70s and early 80s? And was any of the technology that went into the different amps superior to any particular year?Great question. And where does the Alpha series fit in? How does their build quality compare to the 70's vintage gear?

Duffinator
07-21-2006, 11:44 PM
OK, so nobody here owns an Alpha series integrated?

Here's what I'm thinking so far.

BA/CA 2000 with a TU-9900 or maybe a TU-7900

or

AU-9900/11000 with a TU-9900 or maybe a TU-7900

It seems the TU-9900 is really the only tuner that cosmetically matches the other professional series equipment or is there another?

Any comments between the integrated combo and separates combo?

Spinakerr
07-22-2006, 06:30 AM
Cosmetically, yes, the TU 9900 and the au 9900 would be the ideal match. However, the tu 9900 seems to be going for silly money at the mo, and personally when I was loaned a 719, the numerical digital readout and rack mount handles looked fantastic atop my 9900. Maybe I'm just a sucker for digital displays. Unfortunately the loan didnt turn into a purchase as I didnt have the money at the time!

I'm sure you already know the website, but fmtunerinfo.com has some great pics of the sansui range to compare side by side.

SuiDog
07-22-2006, 07:46 AM
The TU-9900 is the only tuner that matches Professional/Definition Series.

You can see that the TU-7900 faceplate does not match at: http://www.sansui.us/PG_TU9900_Series.htm

The specs & sounds are discussed by the guys at: http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/sansui.html

There is a TU-7900 and matching AU-7900 amp on eBay right now (no affiliation):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sansui-TU-7900-am-fm-StereoTuner_W0QQitemZ150012146121QQihZ005QQcategor yZ73382QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

As before, the integrates seem to have more pronounced mid and higher frequencies. I honestly suspect this is mostly due to eliminating the RCA cable between the separates. I remember at the time that some people were suspicious that the integrates having both amps in one housing would be a problem. I was one of those people, and bought the more spendy CA/BA-2000 separates. My ears still prefer the sound, although integrates later prevailed. The later AU-919 integrated amp is unrivaled, according to many of its followers. And of course, the AU X1 is considered tops other than its complicated guts. Someone mentioned BeatleFred and the nightmares he had with his AU X1. But, I have a friend who bought one new and wouldn't trade for anything in the world.

It boils down to: How much do you want to spend? You can choose the super spendy CA/BA-3000 or 5000 and the TU-9900 if you want the best; or the lesser AU/TU-7900 (not Professional Series), or anything between. I will stick with my 2000 amps & TU-9900 (the rest is for sale at this point... to be posted at a later date -- NO shipping!).

Nice group of equipment you have nossirah :drool: :ntwrthy: I have never heard the CA/BA-3000 but imagine it close to my AU-20000.

Duffinator
07-22-2006, 09:55 AM
Thanks everyone for your comments.

I've been watching all the goodies on ePay and the TU-9900's are going for more than what I want to pay. It's not so much about price as it is about perceived value. I don't spend that much time listening to FM to justify spending $800 with shipping for a TU-9900.

The BA-2000, CA-3000, and TU-9900 are local to me so I have a close eye on them. Also the AU-9900 that needs repairs looks interesting. It seems like TOTL units always command top dollar so I'm usually looking at the next step down to maximize the perceived value for me. For example I looked for and purchsed a G-8000 vs. spending twice as much for a G-9000 when the units probably sound identical up to rock concert levels. And usually 80 wpc is more than enough for my needs although I'd like something with at least 100 wpc.

So how far is The Dalles, OR from the CA border???

Duffinator
07-22-2006, 09:51 PM
Does anybody know how much a BA-2000 weights?

SuiDog
07-22-2006, 10:11 PM
BA-2000 = 40lbs

CA/BA-2000 specs:
http://www.sansui.us/images/Brochures/Goran/spec_BACA2000.jpg
AU-11000 /9900/TU-9900 specs:
http://www.sansui.us/images/Brochures/Goran/spec_AU11000_9900_TU9900.jpg
From this page, with more interesting brochures:
http://www.sansui.us/Bro_1.htm

SuiDog
07-23-2006, 05:01 AM
The BA-2000, CA-3000, and TU-9900 are local to me so I have a close eye on them. How much? If the price is right and the condition acceptable, go for it. Get them tested, serviced and tuner realigned if it has been awhile. My 2¢.


So how far is The Dalles, OR from the CA border???250+ miles, not sure exactly.

My health is forcing me to sell this stuff :pity: but I need to write descriptions and get pics to post. I will sell for what I paid, not including my s & h costs and servicing (together that's a hefty amount even though little service was required). NO SHIPPING!
Will post in dollars & sense ASAP.

SuiDog
07-23-2006, 08:28 PM
Comparison: TU-9900 vs TU-7900

Duffinator
07-23-2006, 08:37 PM
While the TU-7900 is not an ideal match it would look better than a TU-717. But which is the better tuner between a 717 and 7900?

SuiDog
07-24-2006, 05:33 PM
While the TU-7900 is not an ideal match it would look better than a TU-717. But which is the better tuner between a 717 and 7900?
pics, specs & sounds at: http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/sansui.html

Duffinator
07-25-2006, 09:23 PM
pics, specs & sounds at: http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/sansui.htmlThanks SuiDog. I couldn't find a direct comparison between the two but good enough.

Anyone have any comments comparing an integrated and seperates, say an AU-11000 vs BA/CA 2000?

I missed that BA-2000 yesterday so I'm still on the hunt. I'm in no hurry anyway but I'm still looking.

SuiDog
07-27-2006, 07:54 AM
Thanks SuiDog. I couldn't find a direct comparison between the two but good enough.
Do a Google Image Search there are plenty of pics. Good luck! :thmbsp:
Anyone have any comments comparing an integrated and seperates, say an AU-11000 vs BA/CA 2000?

Only what hasn't already been said. They are both rated at 110W RMS but the actual current draw from the wall is much different:
BA-2000 = Rated 480W & 910W max
AU-11000 = Rated 240W & 665W max

That's what I *hear* from the BA -- much more depth, better bass and reserve on tap. The 11000 seems to run out of juice at higher volume levels. The mids & highs still crank, but there is a definite difference. Others have said this also, in this thread.
Too bad you missed out on that BA-2000. Good luck! :smoke:

qboneus
07-27-2006, 09:19 AM
Thanks SuiDog. I couldn't find a direct comparison between the two but good enough.

Anyone have any comments comparing an integrated and seperates, say an AU-11000 vs BA/CA 2000?

I missed that BA-2000 yesterday so I'm still on the hunt. I'm in no hurry anyway but I'm still looking.

Ok here goes;
I like the sui seperates better, I have had the B2101 the au11000, aud11II, 9090db, several different 5000incarnations, qrx7500 quad and I find that I found the best performance for the $$ and power out of the B2101 bar none.
It beat all the others regardless of what preamp it was coupled to.
All have been fully restored before comparison (other than aud11II).
Sadly, the b2101 hasn't seen ANY use since I got the nakamichi pa7, I'm actually considering sending it the way of the au11000, and the aud11II.
I would go separerates. IMO
Tal

Duffinator
07-27-2006, 10:13 AM
Do a Google Image Search there are plenty of pics. Good luck! :thmbsp:

Only what hasn't already been said. They are both rated at 110W RMS but the actual current draw from the wall is much different:
BA-2000 = Rated 480W & 910W max
AU-11000 = Rated 240W & 665W max

That's what I *hear* from the BA -- much more depth, better bass and reserve on tap. The 11000 seems to run out of juice at higher volume levels. The mids & highs still crank, but there is a definite difference. Others have said this also, in this thread.
Too bad you missed out on that BA-2000. Good luck! :smoke:Yeah I went up to $410 and that was $10 over what I reallly wanted to spend. I just purchased a really nice AU-666 and I would have matched the two up for the time being. I'm on the lookout for another.

Thanks for everyones comments. Still hoping to hear from an Alpha owner.

BobP
07-27-2006, 11:40 AM
I have Ba-2102, AU-717, Au-919, AU-D11, CA-F1/BAF1. Each of them has characteristic signature.

Power section of Au-919 sounds wonderful with CA-F1.

Ba-2102 is a sleeper, true gem. Matching preamp is not worth purchasing.

Duffinator
07-27-2006, 11:52 AM
Ba-2102 is a sleeper, true gem. Matching preamp is not worth purchasing.I just looked that one up. What's the MOS stand for? I haven't seen one of these for sale, how much do they go for? And does anybody know what the weight of this unit is? The reason why I ask about the weight is if I buy an amp I want to also try it in my HT running my front main speakers. It will sit on a glass shelf and I'd like to keep any one piece at 40 pounds of less.

qboneus
07-27-2006, 12:51 PM
it would weigh more than 40lb for sure.
I have a B2101, and I'm not sure of the weight but I would guess it to be 50+ lbs MOSFET+ metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistor.
You don't see many because they're not very common in the US.
Tal

BobP
07-28-2006, 01:27 PM
I haven't seen one of these for sale, how much do they go for? And does anybody know what the weight of this unit is?

They are rarely on sale, price is anywhere between $200 and $600. That's why I told you it's a sleeper. Based on "dollar per watt per side) fair price would be $400 but often you could find it for much less. I am thinking of buying another, to have it in stash. Three of them would make a killer home theater.
A friend of mine who had YBA after listening to it in his system told me he could not find anything wrong, i.e. no glaring difference from YBA presentation.

I believe 2101 and 2102 are the same inside, 2102 has somewhat nicer design (imho knock off of Yamaha M-xx series - huge glowing Vu meters in the middle)

Duffinator
08-01-2006, 10:23 AM
I've had my eye on a BA-2000 and bid on one local to me but it went beyond what I wanted to pay. So this week a AU/TU-717 set shows up on my local craigslist and I snagged them. Price seemed reasonable considering the amp isn't working. Both are not the cleanest looking I've seen but both faces are without marks or scratches and just the cases are a little beat up. Both are missing feet but have rack handles.

The tuner works great and I used it with my AU-666 last night and it sounds wonderful. It pulled in the strong stations with no antenna very clearly.

Now the amp powers up and all LED's work but it doesn't come out of protection mode regardless of whether the pre/amp switch is in the connected slot or disconnected. I'll need to do some research on that.

Two questions I have are:

1. Does anybody know where to get some feet that might match the originals? And by chance do you know what size screw used to attach the feet?

2. Does anybody know what color and where to get some touch up paint for the gray/silver case?

Thanks

onepixel
08-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Hey Duffy,

Congrats on finding those Sansuis. Hope you get it all cleaned up with some new feet. Hopefully the amp will be fairly easy to get fixed.

Cheers

SuiDog
08-02-2006, 07:02 AM
Congrats on the find, Duff. :thmbsp: Now the amp powers up and all LED's work but it doesn't come out of protection mode regardless of whether the pre/amp switch is in the connected slot or disconnected. I'll need to do some research on that. Let us know what you figure out. I was reading somewhere on AK about how the contacts in the relay can get stuck together; and Deoxit can fix it if you can get at them.1. Does anybody know where to get some feet that might match the originals? And by chance do you know what size screw used to attach the feet?
ThanksI've been watching for a set of feet for mine, but for now am using a universal set my fix-it guy sells. The screws are standard metric, just be sure they're not too long obviously.

Good luck, Matt :smoke:

jeffe
08-03-2006, 07:04 PM
I've got to make a pitch for the BA-F1/CA-F1!

In the last week I've been going through alot of cd's and REALLY enjoying my newest vintage system. I got a good deal on a BA-F1 a few weeks ago and started looking for a CA-F1 and found one pretty quickly. While I was waiting for the pre amp to arrive a local ebay auction for a set of ADS L-710's was just about to end and I picked them up for just over $200. These are really nice sounding speakers! The CA-F1 arrived the nest day and I tell you, they sound VERY nice together. I need to quit listening long enough to get these and the TU-717 up off of the floor and into the cabinet, and find or make a set of stands for the 710's.

Ivorytooth
08-03-2006, 07:20 PM
I have the B-2102 and C-2102. I bought new while stationed in England. I even still have all the brocheres etc. I even still have the original boxes they came in. :D

These sound great. I have a pair of Polk Audio SDA-1Cs hooked up them. It rocks! I wished I could have gotten the top end on the amps and the speakers, but these are better than most out there.

BobP
08-04-2006, 01:11 PM
Sadly, the b2101 hasn't seen ANY use since I got the nakamichi pa7, I'm actually considering sending it the way of the au11000, and the aud11II.

Can you compare PA7 and b-2101? If not in qualitative terms then whether paying extra $400-500 for PA7 is worth it?

Also, do you have first edition of PA7 or PA7II?

The reason I am asking is that I have CA7A and other Nak components and consider buying PA7. However, I have heard both good and bad about it andsince 2102 works like charm with CA7 I am not really in a rush until I find PA7 at a really good price. Your advice will be much appreciated.

TIA

Bob

BlueConnect
08-04-2006, 03:54 PM
I have my 1985 purchased (and now rebuilt) C and B-2101 coupled to a pair B&W Nautilus 802s. The sound to me is neutral and as perfect as I can remember hearing. Key word, “to me”.

A C/B-2101 purchased today should not disappoint. Though being 20 years old I would recommend at a minimum glue removal and adjustment. Cap replacement would be next.

Happy listening,
TF

Duffinator
09-27-2006, 12:05 AM
My AU-717 is finally repaired and I've had some quality time to listen to it. I like it a lot but it's not significantly better than my G-8000, well not as much as I hoped for anyway. You can read about it here. (http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=83287)

So the question I have now is the AU-11000 or BA/CA-2000 combo that much better than my AU-717? If so what will the differences be? I thought the AU-717 could be bright at times. The AU-717 has wet my appetite enough to pursue the next step but I'll be "opportunistic" with any purchases I may make.

Thanks

approse
09-27-2006, 10:53 PM
Duff,
Just for comparison purposes.... just got done comparing the two here (717 & 11000).... with my setups I'd be hard pressed to call the 717 bright at all and compared to the 11000 the 11000 is rather flat. In the case of my 11000 though it has just a little distortion at higher levels so I know hte sound and it's going on the bench this winter for a recap and general rebuild. If it responds like I've had the Sansui receivers to new parts it'll be sounding a lot better.
Just as a thought it might be worth going thru the 717 if you like it otherwise, the cost of recapping so far is still in that magic 1-200 dollar range.

Ron

SuiDog
09-28-2006, 08:47 AM
So the question I have now is the AU-11000 or BA/CA-2000 combo that much better than my AU-717? If so what will the differences be? Thanks Duff, your "better" might just be someone else's "worse"... but we've talked about that. I think you're on the right track by refurb'ing before judging. I'm looking forward to your before/after results with the AU-11000.
In the case of my 11000 though it has just a little distortion at higher levels...

Ron Good God, man, you must be givin' your speakers & ears a workout. Cool, crank 'er up! :banana:

SuperFeedFwd
09-28-2006, 10:59 PM
Duffinator:

After reading thru your comments, might I suggest that you try using the preamp section of the AU-717 with the power amp section of the G-8000 and see how it sounds?
Perhaps if you combine them, you might be able to obtain the sound quality you're looking for.

The AU-717 is not a bright sounding amp, and I think it sounds fine just the way it is, but in your situation, well, it certainly doesnt hurt in any way to experiment a bit and see what the results are, so utilizing each section of the 717 & G-8K with each other might yield a sound thats to your liking. Just an idea....

Or, if your speakers were capable of being biamped, I'd suggest using both outputs of your CA-2000 preamp to biamp the 717 and G-8000 (drive tweeters with 717, and drive woofers with the G-8K)

Duffinator
09-28-2006, 11:14 PM
I thought the 717 could be bright at times not all the time. But that was in comparison to my G-8000 and I do not think it's a bright amp. I've heard many that are much brighter. Although it came out as me thinking it was bright I really don't want to emphasize that. Suidog stated he thought the AU-9900/11000 were brighter than the BA/CA combo so that was also why I pointed that out.

I really want to know if an AU-11000 will be much of an improvement over the 717. I don't own a BA/CA combo yet but I'm thinking about it. I don't have a lot of room for my primary vintage setup so an integrated works better for me than seperates.

Is that an AU-D11 in your photo? That's another option and I'm in conversations with onepixel about borrowing his for a week to see if I like it. That would be cool if I did then I could keep my TU-717 as it is a close match. Adding a TU-9900 to the mix bumps the price up quite a bit. I'd prefer matching equipment.

Thanks for the suggestion about combining the 8000 with my 717. I'll have to give that a try just for fun.

SuperFeedFwd
09-28-2006, 11:36 PM
Yes indeed, thats an AU-D11 in the avatar. If you can borrow one to see how its like, I'd say go for it. The matching tuner to the AU-D11 is the (digital) TU-S9.

Duffinator
10-20-2006, 11:12 PM
There has been little discussion of the AU-919 in this thread. Can someone explain what's going on with the power supply in this amp? I've read all the info on both Sansui websites. So there's a toroidal trans and a more traditional trans in this amp. Why the two different types? And can you hear the difference?

Is there much of an improvement with the AU-919 over my AU-717?

Pioneer727
10-20-2006, 11:35 PM
Here you go.




http://www.classicsansui.net/images/Literature/Integrated%20Amplifiers/AU-919/AU919-F.jpg



Ron

Duffinator
10-21-2006, 12:29 PM
Here you go.
http://www.classicsansui.net/images/Literature/Integrated%20Amplifiers/AU-919/AU919-F.jpg
RonThanks I read that. I was hoping for a more real world explanation of the difference and not so technical. And of course if anybody can compare the sonic differences between the AU-717/919 I'd love to hear it.

SuiDog
10-22-2006, 07:17 AM
Is there much of an improvement with the AU-919 over my AU-717? i think mebe yer splittin' hairs here Duff... you don't like the 717?

Duffinator
10-22-2006, 10:04 AM
i think mebe yer splittin' hairs here Duff... you don't like the 717?Probably splitting hairs but trying to learn the differences between the two. As I overturn every rock locally looking for Sansui gear I want to be as informed as possible and haven't read much about the 919 other than it was one of the best. I know they fetch quite a bit more than the 717. My guess is the 919 is right up there with the 9900 and 11000. Since I now have a nice TU-717 if I ran across a reasonably priced 919 I might upgrade and sell my 717. I've pretty much decided to stay with the integrated amps due to space limitations in my vintage setup. But I might put a B-2101 in my HT one of these days to run my main speakers in that setup.

Still trying to have a discussion about the power supply's in the 717 and 919 and compare the two. If anybody has any info I'd love to hear it.

Duffinator
02-19-2007, 03:26 PM
OK, so now I have an AU-919 and I'm wondering if there would be much difference between it and an AU-11000? There is ten watts difference between the two and the 919 is a newer design and has a phono input for a MC cart over the 11000. Besides the cool looks would the 11000 be a step up or down in sound quality?