DVD with full range satellites

[Thatch_Ear]

There are few DVD players that offer you the option of full range for surround while using the analog outputs of the player. One brand that offers you this is Toshiba. Best Buy has just closed out the SD-4800 for $100. If you can find one in the box these also make for exellent CD players and for the TV offer progressive scan. The SD-4900 is this years model but I haven't seen one yet and don't know the price. Being able to make use of vintage gear and the great full range speakers is what has driven my hunt with so far the only other option that I have heard of doing this is a Pioneer DV45A at $400 and the DV47 at $1,000. So if you are wanting to get into DVD movies, have a good to better TV and want to use the great old gear you already own this can be done using the Toshiba SD-4900 and according to a salesperson, the Pioneer Elite DVDs.
I own a Phillips DVD/SACDP and had a Sony as well. Both of these companies make players that if you turn on the sub they will automatically cut the surrounds off at 80 Hz.
Another thing is that since the DVD player has the decoders for DTS, etc, why would you want to pay for it twice by buying a HTR?

[ProAc_Fan]

Yeah Thatch there are a couple of players on the market with progressive scan and built in DTS and DD decoders.I agree with you too, why buy a crappy black plastic HTR when most of us have perfectly good amps/receivers lying around the house. Buy one of these better players with built-in decoders and save yourself the needless expense of buying a HTR just to decode.

By the way, thanks for the timely post Thatch. I'm in the market for a new DVD player as my 6 yr old RCA has bought the farm.


Mike

[THOR]

An HTR doesn't just decode it controls everything and allows the setup of everything, especially using seperate amps, a lot easier for those of us who are lazy and don't want to have to adjust a volume dial for each channel ;)

[Thatch_Ear]

The point I was making is that most of the players on the market will cut your speaks off at 80 Hz if you use the analog outputs including the subwoofer. The Toshibas with the full surround RCA analog outputs seem to be the only ones in the marketplace that will give you full range sound at a low price. Anyone that uses a 20' "digital" output from their player to a HT reciever for a remote deserves black flies in the summer.:uzi:
My only intent is letting the vintage nutz know how to get full range bass out of the gear they already own without the $350 (used from Ebay) remote control.
Moving a few knobs is a small price to pay for big ass bass out of all the speakers and not just the sub. With your not using a sub your remote is even more expensive.
For anyone that wants only stereo for HT I noticed a Toshiba player at a mere $50 that had a 24/96 chip for playing CDs. There was only analog outputs for 2 channel, so the $50 player will not do surround unless it can interface with a surround HTR.
Thor, I am happy your HT works for you, I just hate buying the same gizmo in 2 different packages and fortunatly I do not have my gear on the wrong side of the room to be able to take advantage of the merits of the economical vintage componants and the circuits in my player unless I have a HTR control station.
Also my name is David, I just got a tooth pulled and I am GRUMPY!!! NaNaNaNa!!!!
:banana: :banana:

[THOR]

Ummm I am using two 15" subs for your info Thatchy poo ;) What else would you call 15" woofers pointed at the floor that are xovered at 100Hz? I did not just get the AVR for a remote, you yourself know dialing in all those volumes right on all your assorted recievers and amps was a bitch. I also have 6.1 digital/dts and can add another seperate amp and have 7.1 You show me a progressive scan DVD with 6.1 and 7.1 outputs that allows you to set the speakers to large or small for under $350? ;)

[Thatch_Ear]

If you do not have the down firing 15"ers hooked up to the sub output then you know what I mean. As far as 7.1 I don't think I really need it. The thread was for the folks that want full range sound from the center and all 4 satellites while using the sub output using the gear on hand.
This is not a peeing in the river at camp contest.
Again, I am happy for your remote as I am sure it makes the GF happy etc......
My subs go down to 15Hz using 2 DVC subwoofers per. Your CVs are kind of cute though.

[THOR]

Thatch you never read my posts :( If you followed my HT journey as avidly as I follow your own adventures you would know that each 15" woofer is powered by their own amp running in mono at 300wpc that are plugged into the sub channel on my AVR. Do they now meet your criteria of subs for HT use? :tongue:

I was not pissing anywhere just pointing out to others that there are other ways to use your vintage gear in your HT setup and you and ProAc were both kinda crapping on HT receivers as a whole and I felt the need to add some positives to your negatives ;)

Also the 20' digi/black flies comment was uncalled for you know I had no other choice you rotten man! :mad: :p:

Actually I just came back from the deep north woods and the black flies weren't present :eek: Actually they weren't bad at all this year, I think all the rain drowned them. But it's a good thing I weigh so much cuz the mosquitos are so bad when the sun goes down that they would carry a lighter man away!

[Thatch_Ear]

Sorry little buddy, While I knew you had your 15" amped separate from the rest of the drivers in your CVs I didn't realize that they were actually run from the sub output on your HT. I know that you have special problems and that the long "didital" run is a result, but still this thread was about DVD players that will do full range with analog outputs.
No big deal if you are rich and can drive a red JEEP and buy a HTR/A because your GF wants easy access! Woops!
Really it was just about cheap dollar wise DVDPs that let you get full use out of the gear already on hand. I know you couldn't go this route. I also have done a bit of research since then and know that even if you wanted to there are few reasonably priced models that can be used in the way that I do. I am passing the info on.
As for pissing in the beautiful streams in Maine you already told us the fish was not fit to eat. Per my statement about black flies, please insert mosquitoes and realize I make this correction with love.
I will knock on your door this summer, so please ask your GF's mom to remove the hickory stick from under the seat of her car. Her, I am scared of.

[THOR]

It was only a baseball bat nothing so scary as a stick and she only beats things with it after she runs em' over and they ain't dead yet and fit for the fire ;) Too bad your already taken you are old enough so that you and my GF's mama could hook up! :eek: :p:

[Lefty]

Can't you all just feel the love here..:D

Come on guys, just get a room and be done with it.. enough corting..:D

Lefty

[THOR]

Ummm "courting" you mean? Sheesh I thought all the poor spellers left with NW :p:

[House de Kris]

Originally posted by THOR
Too bad your already taken you are old enough so that you and my GF's mama could hook up!

Thor, don't complain about other's spelling when you write stuff like that. Just in case you still can't see it, the word you strive for is "you're" and not "your" as you wrote above. You see, when you write "your" you are saying that the person you are referring to is in possession of something. What you were struggling with to express was the concept that the person you were addressing IS already taken. In other words, inside your head you wanted the reader to get the idea that you wanted to say, "Too bad you're already taken..." But, you decided to spell it like the rest of the unwashed masses found on the internet. BUT, Al Gore did not invent the internet for us to check the spelling of other's and rub their noses in it. So let's just drop all this spelling stuff.

Now, back to the topic. So Thatch_Ear, these Toshibas you've been discussing, can they control the volume? I was actually looking into machines with six analog outs when I was first looking at DVD players to do just exactly what you describe. A couple of my DVD players can control the volume, but they only have two analog outputs.

[THOR]

You know what de kris your write I spelled it wrong :D

[Wired]

I have a $300 philips dvd player (dv707) that has 5.1 analog outputs. The remote control has volume on it however it is only adjustable in 15 steps. I once hooked up 3 amps, 2 pairs of speakers and a single speaker for the center. These were only cheap old amps and speakers, just to experiment with. I found that once you set all the amps to the correct volume the 15 step volume on the remote for the dvd player had an aceptable volume range.

I think that one could achive aceptable i not good results with a setup such as this. But it would be a lot easier if you had a cheap HT preamp. I would recomend this type of setup if you have a lot of time to do it correctly.

[botrytis]

I bought a Lexicon CP3+ with remote for $35.00. It will be perfect for what I am planning for HT.

Dave

[Thatch_Ear]

Kris,
There is no volume control so I do have to get up and adjust a few knobs when starting another movie. I just love the full spectrum sound I can get out of the old Toshiba that I have and have been keeping tabs so that when it needs to be replaced I can still go with the system that I have. I was hoping the Phillips player that I bought would do it but like I said, if you set it for sub on the rest of the channels get chopped under 80 Hz.
As far as I am concerned the ability to use interconnects directly from the DVD player to the componant that is driving the speakers is a plus. Another device in line can not improve the sound and I would rather spend my money on something else.