Really enjoying SACD. If you haven't heard it yet, you should give it a try. Even if it gets a little busy sometimes, the remastering is still nice to hear.

Your just getting into multi-channel music! Congrats, some discs are
better than others, the few classical ones out are good, for my
late night relax time. Most rock releases are okay, and some old school
2ch cd's out shine others. Start buying, and make sure you have a top
notch center channel speaker, it's gonna be very important.:thmbsp:

Wait, what? What do SACD and DTS have to do with each other?

Wait, what? What do SACD and DTS have to do with each other?


It seems many SACD discs are being released with a dts or 5.1 layer as well. I don't think all SA-CDs are dts 5.1 but many are.

Mmm...no, I don't think so. A lot of them are surround at the SACD layer, but I have yet to find one that is DTS at the CD layer, and DTS is incompatible with DSD (I.E. the SACD layer). DTS is not synonymous with surround. It's a very specific technology for obtaining surround sound from a PCM bit stream.

I remember this version of The Eagle "Hell Freezes Over" not being an SACD.
link (http://www.avrev.com/music/revs/eaglesdts.shtml)

Perhaps now they are coupling the surround feature more into SACDs but there are some released dts encoded without being SACD.

I'm pretty sure they can encode dts into the redbook format.

I'm pretty sure they can encode dts into the redbook format.


I wasn't quite right.

dts music is completely different from redbook and cannot be played on any CDP. They are music encoded in dts and therefore need a dts decoder such as a HT receiver.

SACD can incorporate surround sound but it is not, obviously, dts.

SACD standard: Redbook 2-ch CD layer (so disk can be played in any CD player), and SACD, 2-CH (for enhanced performance).

Some multi-channel disks are being produced, which deviate from the standard, in that, instead of a Redbook layer, it is a multi-channel layer. This type will not play on standard CD players. SACD players are required.

Enjoy,
Rich P

dts music is completely different from redbook and cannot be played on any CDP. That's not quite right -- there are DTS CD's (link (http://www.5point1.com/Products-5_1_DTS_Music_Disc_2.html)) -- it's sort of a perversion of the redbook format, and can't be played in most standalone CD players, but is easily enough decoded at the digital output (the CDP doesn't need to do anything but read the data off the disk and feed it to the digital output) by a preprocessor or DTS-capable receiver.

It's just that I've never heard of it being done in a SACD -- that was my only contention.SACD standard: Redbook 2-ch CD layer (so disk can be played in any CD player), and SACD, 2-CH (for enhanced performance).

Some multi-channel disks are being produced, which deviate from the standard, in that, instead of a Redbook layer, it is a multi-channel layer. This type will not play on standard CD players. SACD players are required.Not quite right. The SACD standard requires a SACD layer at a minimum. The redbook layer is optional. It has also been since amended to allow for a multi-channel SACD layer. So you can have any combination:

- redbook alone (CD)
- redbook and stereo SACD ("hybrid" SACD)
- redbook, stereo SACD, and multi-channel SACD (also considered "hybrid")
- stereo SACD alone
- stereo SACD and multi-channel SACD

...these last two will not play in regular redbook CD players. I've also heard rumours that one can have the multi-channel SACD layer without the stereo layer, but I do not own any. I also think this is a violation of the intended-to-be-backwardly compatible SACD standard, as the early players (stereo only) won't know what to do with this, AFAIK.

That's not quite right -- there are DTS CD's (link (http://www.5point1.com/Products-5_1_DTS_Music_Disc_2.html)) -- it's sort of a perversion of the redbook format, and can't be played in most standalone CD players, but is easily enough decoded at the digital output (the CDP doesn't need to do anything but read the data off the disk and feed it to the digital output) by a preprocessor or DTS-capable receiver.

We're in agreement because the CDP is not decoding the CD and is merely a transport (as stated in the part of my sentence you did not quote).

Yes we are. I missed that (rather, didn't comprehend it correctly).

Interesting ..

I have perhaps 80 SACD's and DVD-A's. I've never heard of a Super Audio CD with DTS format. DVD-A's, on the other hand, quite often have a DTS layer as they are compatible with DVD players which also encode DTS movie soundtracks.

CD's play on CD players and DTS discs play on DVD players, no? All the discs in the above link play on DVD players only - me thinks.

Unless you have a universal player, but the formats remain the same.

btw: I love multichannel surround music. Bring it on.

CD's play on CD players and DVD players, yes.

"DTS disks" is too vague a term. There are DTS CD's and DTS DVD's (both of the DVD-V and DVD-A varieties). There just aren't DTS SACD's.

Agree Dusty.

I do have a few DTS CD's, but they are not er .......

from a major manufacturer. :nono:

I've also heard rumours that one can have the multi-channel SACD layer without the stereo layer, but I do not own any. I also think this is a violation of the intended-to-be-backwardly compatible SACD standard, as the early players (stereo only) won't know what to do with this, AFAIK.

Sony mandated that a SACD must have a dedicated hi-rez stereo (or mono) mix. The CD layer and the multi-channel surround mixes are optional. However, there are a few SACDs out there that have the multi-channel surround hi-rez mix but not the stereo hi-rez mix.