AD797 Phono Stage Build and Help Desk Thread

....Do not intend to steal the thread but since my question relates to this project that im trying to complete...What would be the best way to implement Mono-Stereo Switch ? :bowdown:
I did it on another similar type with a film capacitor bridging the two inputs.
 
....Do not intend to steal the thread but since my question relates to this project that im trying to complete...What would be the best way to implement Mono-Stereo Switch ? :bowdown:
Short the resistors that go to the non-inverting input of the second opamp together at the input terminal of the opamp is how I would convert to mono.
 
I did it on another similar type with a film capacitor bridging the two inputs.
There are, albeit theoretical, reasons why you would not wish to do it this way. The series coil resistance for a LOMC cartridge is in the c.3-20 ohms region. To get true mono the impedance at all audio frequencies has to be significantly lower than this. If the cap is sufficiently low impedance to allow for true mono down to LF then a very large cap will need to be used.
Even if you assume that frequencies below, say 100Hz don't need to be truly made mono, the cap is still huge.
In addition, the low impedance will allow a fairly large signal current to flow through the windings which will create a significant back EMF due to Lenz's law and roll of the HF response and alter the transient response of the cartridge.
Shorting the resistors that are after the input amp outputs together does not have these effects. Just a switch will do. The large-ish resistors protect the opamp outputs. The disadvantage- each output sees a 6dB loss in amplitude as you now have a voltage divider (the output is (A+B)/2) - but this is exactly the same as ideally shorting the outputs from the cartridge together ignoring some of the other issues.
 
One of my friend is using this http://glass-ware.stores.yahoo.net/stsw.html

Regards
Sachin
Hi Sachin- what value are the resistors? I assume that the switch is applied directly at the output of the amps, and some care needs to be taken to avoid either overloading the output opamps or increasing the output impedance too much that the HF is rolled off with the cap load that the next stage/cables represent.
 
There are, albeit theoretical, reasons why you would not wish to do it this way. The series coil resistance for a LOMC cartridge is in the c.3-20 ohms region. To get true mono the impedance at all audio frequencies has to be significantly lower than this. If the cap is sufficiently low impedance to allow for true mono down to LF then a very large cap will need to be used.
Even if you assume that frequencies below, say 100Hz don't need to be truly made mono, the cap is still huge.
In addition, the low impedance will allow a fairly large signal current to flow through the windings which will create a significant back EMF due to Lenz's law and roll of the HF response and alter the transient response of the cartridge.
Shorting the resistors that are after the input amp outputs together does not have these effects. Just a switch will do. The large-ish resistors protect the opamp outputs. The disadvantage- each output sees a 6dB loss in amplitude as you now have a voltage divider (the output is (A+B)/2) - but this is exactly the same as ideally shorting the outputs from the cartridge together ignoring some of the other issues.
Makes sense, as does your suggestion that leaves the front ends as gain buffers to prevent the unintended consequences.
A better 'global' approach.
 
I really don't know the resisters values, but he is getting good results.

Regards
Sachin
The reason I'm asking is that the picture seems to have brown black black red- then brown as the color codes. I thought that was 10k ohms 1%, but it's been a while since I've been completely facile with the color codes. If so then the mono output resistance is 5k to each of the two outputs in parallel, which is pretty high.
 
Hi, after a bit of help, I've just finished putting together one of these thanks to Sachin who put me on to it and supplied the excellent pcb and One for the power supply, i used all the exact parts from the bom list and am used to soldering. Checked I'm getting exactly a steady 12 volts dc supply from the power board but all I get is hum and no sound, have ch checked all leads and the cartridge I know works ok, any one help me please?
Many thanks
Phill
 
Hi Sachin, here are some photos, very strange but I double checked my voltage and found it at 9volts and dropping slowly, checked and one of the 4700uf power caps was very hot and staring to expand, I checked and polarity was correct so swapped out with a spare and rechecked voltage at a very steady bang on 12 volts, reconnected everything up and now no hum but no sound until volume at full on my amp and it can only be heard if you put ear to speakers. Double checked gain and impedance at still bank on at 1k for gain and 100ohm for impedance, I have a Denon dl 103. Any ideas? My ad797 are an, are these ok or do they have to be anz?
 

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I think I have found the problem, as I said this phonostage needs sual power supply + / 0 and minus. I see you only use 2 wires from power supply output to phonostage power input.You have to use 3 wires and set the voltage to +12/ center is 0 and -12V.
There are two trimpots on power supply, 1 for settng positive and 1 for negative output supply. Which transformer/ wall wart did you use?
PS: please don't reverse +/- on phonostage board.

Regards
Sachin
 
I think I have found the problem, as I said this phonostage needs sual power supply + / 0 and minus. I see you only use 2 wires from power supply output to phonostage power input.You have to use 3 wires and set the voltage to +12/ center is 0 and -12V.
There are two trimpots on power supply, 1 for settng positive and 1 for negative output supply. Which transformer/ wall wart did you use?
PS: please don't reverse +/- on phonostage board.

Regards
Sachin
Hi Sachin, I see now, I was trying to find pics of other peoples builds to check that the power wiring was correct, so I should have a wire coming out of the power board -v marked as number 1which is the negative and this will go to my negative on the phono stage, a wire from the ground on the power board marked as number 2 going to the ground on the phono board and a wire going from +v marked number 3 going to the plus on the power board? Then I should set up the voltages as per the original instructions to get plus 12 volts on the plus side measuring between +v and ground and minus 12 volts measuring between -v and ground? Is this correct?
I'm using a wallwart transformer, 12volt AC 1amp output .
Many thanks again
Phill
 
Didn't get a chance to try it out with correct wiring of power supply till this morning but it's still the same, do you the think i might of fried something when I connected it up incorrectly before? When it was wrong I had the ground from the power supply to the minus connection on the.phono stage and the +v in the power supply going to the plus on the phono stage?
Many thanks Phill
 
Didn't get a chance to try it out with correct wiring of power supply till this morning but it's still the same, do you the think i might of fried something when I connected it up incorrectly before? When it was wrong I had the ground from the power supply to the minus connection on the.phono stage and the +v in the power supply going to the plus on the phono stage?
Many thanks Phill
Alas, it's possible that the opamps are dead. In particular the 797s have input protection diodes that could be toast. If you have a DC meter it's easy to check if the opamps are OK. Probe the + and - supply pins- they should be no more than about a couple of hundred mv lower than the board edge supplies, then probe the + and - input terminals and the output terminals of the opamps. The input terminals should be equal and the output terminals should not be railed. The actual output voltage value for the input opamp should be pretty small- tens of mv at most, but the output opamp value is quite variable- up to 2.5v or so depending on the opamp trimmed offset values and whether or not the circuit resistors were modified to give the best output offset as I described about 10 pages ago.
 
Hi Phil
Opamps can be damaged by wrong supply voltage. You can test opamps as suggested by Wyn or can try some cheap mono Opamps in place of AD797 and see. Have you checked all RCA connections Input/output?

Regards
Sachin
 
Alas, it's possible that the opamps are dead. In particular the 797s have input protection diodes that could be toast. If you have a DC meter it's easy to check if the opamps are OK. Probe the + and - supply pins- they should be no more than about a couple of hundred mv lower than the board edge supplies, then probe the + and - input terminals and the output terminals of the opamps. The input terminals should be equal and the output terminals should not be railed. The actual output voltage value for the input opamp should be pretty small- tens of mv at most, but the output opamp value is quite variable- up to 2.5v or so depending on the opamp trimmed offset values and whether or not the circuit resistors were modified to give the best output offset as I described about 10 pages ago.
Hi Wyn
Thanks for the info, just a few questions as I not too sure with electronics and this is my first build so bit unsure with terminology, I have found diagrams of f the Opamp pin inputs and outputs so no where to probe with my dc meter but do I keep the black probe on the ground dc input on the board and then use the positive red probe on the opamp pins to take the readings. Also what is meant by railed? I have taken readings from the plus and minus inputs supply pins and my positive is 9.9 and my negative is 10.5, this seems a bit lower than you stated, I rechecked my power supply and when disconnected and that's still bang on 12volts on the negative and positive?
Many thanksgiving
Phill
 
Hi Wyn
Thanks for the info, just a few questions as I not too sure with electronics and this is my first build so bit unsure with terminology, I have found diagrams of f the Opamp pin inputs and outputs so no where to probe with my dc meter but do I keep the black probe on the ground dc input on the board and then use the positive red probe on the opamp pins to take the readings. Also what is meant by railed? I have taken readings from the plus and minus inputs supply pins and my positive is 9.9 and my negative is 10.5, this seems a bit lower than you stated, I rechecked my power supply and when disconnected and that's still bang on 12volts on the negative and positive?
Many thanksgiving
Phill
Yes, black probe on ground. The supplies have 10-20 ohms of series resistance to the opamps. For there to be 2v of drop you need to have 100mA of current or more. The opamps have c. 12mA of quiescent current combined. This also assumes that the electrolytic caps are undamaged.
This is what I would do, start by removing the opamps. Measure the voltages at the sockets where the supplies to the opamps are supposed to be. The voltage should be pretty well exactly what the supply input voltages are. If not, you have a problem. If OK put the opamps in one at a time, starting at the input, and check the supplies again and if they're OK check the input/output terminals.
 
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