Hi-fi music streaming: People can't tell it when they hear it

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  1. +48V

    +48V hi-fi or die

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    And....in a nutshell....there ya/we go....

    There will always be room for audiophiles, folks in between, and everyone else.
     
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  2. asilker

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    Long live FLAC
     
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  3. VonHess

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    No idea of the percentages but most people probably cant tell the difference. And With some people, music just isnt important enough to them for them to actually listen beyond their car radio or just background music. I feel lucky that my ears can hear the difference- i feel like I'm getting an enjoyment from music that a lot of folks dont get. I guess thats why we come to sites like this and put so much time into choosing the next speakers we're going to buy. Humans have different strengths and talents, I cant throw a baseball 90mph but I have good ears. I guess, like everything else, much of it is genetic, seems the kids of musicians usually have some musical talent. I just recently started listening to Spotify and it sounds muffled to me. So i discovered Tidal and it sounds much better. I may actually pay the $20 per month at least for a while.
     
  4. botrytis

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    The more people listen, the more their ears are trained. The same can be said for wine. The more wine you taste, the better you can tell what is good or bad. People have not been trained is all.
     
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    I agree with earlier post it's mostly about the mastering, huge differences, not so much about being lossless or not.
     
  6. Condorsat

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    :thumbsup: Absolutely. I use to use my hearing that way in my former profession ... not music related. Detailed active listening is an acquired skill set.

    Never forgot this clip about hearing from the 70's Kung FU TV series.

     
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  7. GChief

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    Just found this tread and found it interesting. Having taught an Aural Recognition class (23yrs as a Sonar Tech) I know for certain that people can be trained, I taught 20 yr old "MP3's are great" kids for a week at a time. Class room had some great play back equipment BTW, don't know why I never opened those gray Navy cabinets to take a look at the guts. :confused:
     
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    Remember, MP3 was specifically designed so "most people can't tell the difference." That was the goal and it seems to have succeeded. The compression is variable, so it can sound anywhere between very good and crappy. Of all the people I've worked with over the years, in technical fields no less, almost none cared about audio quality or could tell the difference.
     
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    MP3 codecs have improved greatly over the years, and the AAC codec is very good. Not aware of anyone who has passed a blind test of AAC256 vs uncompressed, no matter how "well trained".
     

     

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  10. savatage1973

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    I think the biggest "take-away" from this thread and their experiment is that most people just don't care. They just take in what is fed to them and deal with it. Those of us that "critically listen" are clearly in the minority--not necessarily here, but in the general population--certainly. I have (non-audio) friends that think my systems sound great, but are more than happy to go home and listen to their phone or iPod and never think about spending a dime on a quality system.
     
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    I think a lot of it is too that people may even have an interest, but they drive over to Magnolia and get sticker shock. Which is why this place is great... I can keep reading and learn what's the good 'under the radar' gear and also learn what the common problems and repairs are with the gear I already have...
     
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    My GF looks at me like I am crazy when I ask her if she can hear the sound of the wood when a drum stick hits the edge of a snare or a brush on snare etc... Who knows maybe I am hearing things? :crazy: She will sit and listen to music as the event instead of just back ground noise which she never has done before:beerchug:. Of course she may just be humoring me :idea:
     
  13. Cleve

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    At what 'bit rate' is the gear the limiting factor in being able to discern? I might not be able to tell 256 from 64 kbps on a boom box, for instance, though the difference is very noticeable to me on my system.

    IF they're using low tier bookshelf speakers for this test, with limited low end and highs, that could be the limiting factor.
     
  14. eljr

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    bam'

    nothing more needs be said
     
  15. savatage1973

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    I have to partially agree because "garbage in = garbage out", (even on the best of systems) but there is a lot more to "the chain"--and a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, so there are so many other factors involved to pick one "miracle" solution/answer.
     
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  16. Condorsat

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    True that ... check out the reactions of these folks.

     
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    they gave them Beats headphones...... are they not engineered to have their own sound irrespective of the music? Kinda a ridiculous "test", no?
     
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    The thing is that almost all of them correctly identified the higher res audio using the Beats, but wouldn't pay for it except for one girl. That would appear to be a big problem for a high res streaming business model.
     
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    That was the first thing I noticed.
     
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    High res Tidal costs me $12/month. They discount their price for military personnel (I am retired Air Force.) It seems very reasonable for access to millions of songs. I run it through a Schiit Modi Mulitibit into a Dynaco SCA35 and out to some modified Klipsch Forte II speakers. It sounds damn good to these 67 year old ears.
     
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