If AKfest09 was moved...

Discussion in 'AKFest 2008' started by Army, May 23, 2008.

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More likely to attend in 09?

  1. Yes

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    35.0%
  2. No

    45 vote(s)
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  3. Makes no difference to me

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  1. DENNYDOG

    DENNYDOG Addicted Member

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    I don't want to step on any toes but this is my take on it.

    I thought this was talked over with Army and Grumpy to see how much interest there was to move the show?

    It seems like there is good interest about having AKfest somewhere else and now it sounds like it will be no more. So be it if that is what you want but why was it brought up in the first place?

    If you don't want to talk about it anymore lock the thread or delete it.
     

     

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  2. Army

    Army Addicted Member

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    You aren't stepping on any toes Denny!
    It was brought up because my greatest wish was to help shoulder some of the burden with or for Grumpy and family. I've been to every fest except the first one to lend a hand and I had also brought up this idea before because as one of Grumpy's close personal friends I know how big an undertaking this is and just how stressful it can be.
    Dave had mentioned he was having a hard time finding a hotel in the area with decent rates and the needed dates. There are other shows and he plans AKfest so we have the best time frame for a good turn out and more importantly when the vendors are more apt to be available.
    There are drawbacks to having the fest in Cedar Rapids I'll admit, I'd thought about most everything everyone has mentioned and didn't bother to try and sell the idea very hard. If I had I could easliy come up with alot more pro's and equally as many con's why the fest should be moved out of Detroit. But to do so would have been counterproductive, if the fest stayed where it is. Grumpy and I discussed the pro's and con's there were equally compelling reasons to at least post the idea.

    As for closing or deleting the thread I'll leave it up to Grumpy.
     
  3. DENNYDOG

    DENNYDOG Addicted Member

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    Why is it then that after next year it will "be no more"?

    If he doesn't want the hassle it sure looks like there are plenty others that would gladly take over but seems to think that no one else besides him can do it. I can see his reasoning behind not moving it but like I said why bring it up?

    If the plan is to not have another AKfest why not let someone else take over if they want to? I'm sure you, Retro or plenty others are dedicated enough to take on the challenge.

    Denny
     
  4. Retro Stereo

    Retro Stereo Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Denny,
    I wasn't going to reply to this after Grumpy's last post, but now I feel the need.

    This is Grumpy's site, and it is Grumpy's AK Fest every year. He is the CEO of AudioKarma and he runs the show. It now sounds like he will be putting on one more AK Fest :)thmbsp:), and then sadly afterwords, possibly retire :)tears:). This is entirely his decision, and the rest of us need to respect that.

    That is all.




    Retro
     
  5. DENNYDOG

    DENNYDOG Addicted Member

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    I understand he has every right to do what he wants. I just wish he would have said that was his plan to begin with. Obviously Army and Grumpy talked about it by the looks of it.

    I am just wondering why there was a thread started about moving it in the first place if the plan was to have only one more fest? Why stir up conflict about it that might cause hard feelings?
     
  6. dnewma04

    dnewma04 The Healer Staff Member Super Mod Subscriber

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    If we were going to get the same 60/40 split of local vs non-local attendees, we'd need the entire state of Iowa to show.
     

     

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  7. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

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    Grumpy has to do what is best for Grumpy - please repsect that. They were talking about it - but someone would have to shoulder ALL the work that Dave does now. Please stop if you do not plan to volunteer - because I will NEVER EVER fault Grumpy on this.

    As was said - this is Dave's site - he is the head honchoe - he can do what he wants and no one should fault him on that.

    It seems as if no one is stepping up to the plate to take over and Grumpy has doen it long enough.
     
  8. DENNYDOG

    DENNYDOG Addicted Member

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    I have all the respect in the world for the guy for all the things he has brought us. I don't know where you came up with that. I have never faulted him either for what he has done. Please don't disrespect me for my opinion either. I know it is his site and that he is the head honchoe. I never said he wasn't.

    If you read the whole thread you would know that Scott (Army) said he is willing to take over. Greg (Retro Stereo) has also volunteered to help the cause. Grumpy has every right to say no if he wants and I respect that.

    I'm not going to go back through the whole thread just so I can quote them. You can read it yourself.

    Cheers,
    Denny
     
  9. Andyman

    Andyman Scroungus Stereophilus Subscriber

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    Well, that might be tough from hundreds of miles away. I guess they could do some legwork with vendors and all, but Dave would still have to sort out what they accomplished as now he's getting info second hand. Plus it would be pretty hard for anyone out of town to do anything in town like reviewing sites, auditioning talent for the entertainment and storing supplies/prizes, etc. Consider this year when Dave found out about the conflict at the old locale and had to jump through hoops to find an alternate? That would have been a world class mess if the guiding hand was out of town.
    If someone wants to do some legwork and help Dave out, they may need to be closer than several states away to appreciably lighten his load.
     
  10. Retro Stereo

    Retro Stereo Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Andy,
    I think you're confused. Take a look at the thread title. This was a hypothetical question about the 2009 AK Fest actually moving to Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Apparently Grumpy and Army discussed this and they were looking for feedback. That was it.



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  11. Andyman

    Andyman Scroungus Stereophilus Subscriber

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    Well. maybe a little. If either of you guys want to take it over and move the whole kit and kaboodle to Cedar Rapids or Minneapolis, I wish you well. FWIW, I'd see MN with more upside than IA, just because it's a bigger metro area.

    It's ironic though that the two guys who are offering to help out are the only two guys with a member room that didn't live within 100 miles of the last Fest. Well, maybe Cosmos too, but he does work in Troy :D Just goes to show what these dudes are made of :thmbsp:
     

     

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  12. pustelniakr

    pustelniakr Silver Miner at Large Staff Member Super Mod Subscriber

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    Something like the fest requires signatory agency for AudioKarma. I don't know who else, besides Grumpy, actually has signatory agency, who can put in necessary time and horsepower to pull off something like the fest. Such things are a sticky wicket. None of the provisions of AK, or AK itself, are owed to anyone, period. What needs to be done is for everyone to find contentment with what is, or can be, provided.

    Something that goes off as well as this year's fest does not go off easy, not even at the time it is going off. It is understood that folks want to help. No one is challenging anyone's sincerity. However, no-one but Grumpy (and possibly Nancy) has any idea what "all" is entailed by an event like this.

    I strongly suggest we simply appreciate what is available, for as long as it is available. If asked to contribute in some way, don't respond positively unless willing to fufill the requested tasks, even to one's own hurt. The slack picked up by delegation of tasks, does not tend to remain slack, but gets immediately consumed by other tasks. If delegated tasks are then not fulfilled, they mut be re-absorbed by the delegator, in addition to the new tasks taken on. Believe me. I know personally.

    Lets let Grumpy, the admins, and mods have some time to rest, recoup, and re-group. We will then see what develops. An event like this almost always results in initial decisions like, "Never again." Sometimes the "never again" sticks, and sometimes recoup time provides the necessary 2nd wind. In any case, this year's fest was spectacular. Thanks to "all" who contributed to its success. If it never happens again, it was definitely good while it lasted. There is nothing to keep folks from putting on local or regional gatherings of AK members. Such gatherings may not be able to bear the legal "AudioKarma" name, or sanction, without involving various kinds of liability for AK, but such gatherings can be, and have been, a whole lot of fun.

    Just my 2-cents.

    Thanks folks,
    Rich P
     
  13. jimbofish

    jimbofish for TRULY GREAT MUSIC

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    Why mess with a good thing? Leave it where it is... besides, Detroit needs the business more than anywhere else. :yes:

    Ain't no party like a Detroit party! :music: :banana: :beer: :rockon: :guitar: :beerchug: :drunk:
     
  14. bpape

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    If I can add my 2 cents. I talked to Grumpy a bit at the show about the show itself. IMO, the biggest thing has to be the fact that the hotels won't let you do an 'up to X number of rooms' thing. They want a number - no more, no less. That not only puts a financial and stress issue on those running the show, but in all honesty, it stifles the growth potential of the show.

    The only issue I see with moving the show to a different place every year is that you don't have a chance to establish a relationship with a hotel so both sides know what to expect and things can be better and easier negotiated over time.

    If the show needs to go somewhere else to survive and there are others willing to take on the responsibilities, so be it. I know Glenn and I have talked and GIK will be there again next year. We'll likely have our own room with my electronics and ACI speakers (who we show with at other shows) as well as being in the David Michael Audio room. We see a lot of potential in this show. A few years ago, RMAF was about the same size and now it's probably the 2nd biggest serious high end show in the country every year.

    My 2 cents

    Bryan
     
  15. Mattwizz3

    Mattwizz3 Web-er-web user...

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    hmmmmm... so no chance of it coming to Australia? I have a bit of room in the back yard and plenty of extension cables..... heh
     
  16. jazzwolf

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    Wait a minute!!! I'm thinking of attending and now you want to move it?!! SHEESH!!! Was it something I said? Was it my breath?!! :D
     

     

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  17. Grumpy

    Grumpy Krusty old SOB! Yes, I own Audiokarma Staff Member Admin Sponsor Subscriber

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    The 09 fest is not moving. Its in the same location as 2008
     
  18. Kuma

    Kuma Active Member

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    Thank you.
     
  19. koslekt1

    koslekt1 Mine go to 11.

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    I think it's great right where it is! The only thing I can think of that is worthwhile abut Cedar Rapids is a place that sells cinnamon rolls that are the size of your head...on second thought:scratch2:
     
  20. pbda

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    When I come to the Fest, I'll be driving with gear.

    Boston to Detroit: 716 miles
    Boston to Cedar Rapids: 1,213 miles

    How do you think I voted?
     
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