London (Decca) Cart Advice, Please

Todd Dodds

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I'm aware of the 200 odd pages of London thread at the Lenco site, and I'll spend the morning over there reading. But I'd appreciate some guidance in regards to suitable tonearms or other considerations with the London Gold, Super Gold and Jubilee.

I'm Jonesin' bad...
 
Well, I'm now the owner of a 4 year old London Jubilee cart, just back (to the seller) from John Wright for a checkup that only required a routine cleaning.
Still undecided if I have a suitable arm, and hoping for a little direction. I've got a Denon DL-103 on a Rek-O-Kut S220 that ought to be massy enough to at least experiment with (?), but I sure would appreciate any input. This has me a little clutched up, what with being the most I've ever paid for a cart
 
High mass with a dense shell might work. I know someone with the Jubilee on a Transfi linear tracker.

Maybe look into what London themselves had to offer, a unipivot...medium mass, I believe.
 
I've got an unused Calrad SV-12 that I've been eyeballing,wondering if it might be just the ticket. It's currently mono-wired, and missing whatever doohickie the cart mounts to, and I have no idea (yet) if the Jubilee would actually fit. But, hey, it's got to be high mass, and more or less unipivot.

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Stolen web pic...mine doesn't have the cart carrier part.
 
My Super Gold matched perfectly with a 12" Jelco SA-750L, with some mineral oil in the damping well, and using a Yamamoto "African Black Wood" headshell in place of the stock one.

A Jubilee, eh?

I'm impressed! :)
 
My Super Gold matched perfectly with a 12" Jelco SA-750L, with some mineral oil in the damping well, and using a Yamamoto "African Black Wood" headshell in place of the stock one.

A Jubilee, eh?

I'm impressed! :)

Wish I knew what the Super Gold sounded like (other than word of mouth), so I could compare.
The 12" Jelco has been on my wish list for a while already, even before I caught the London bug from you and a couple others.
 
The hardest part about the Jelco 12" arm is finding something suitable to put it on. I have two tables that were sold without arms (Technics SP-25 and Teac TN-400 Magnefloat) that are mounted in custom plinths, so now my problem is more that I have only one Jelco 12", and need another...

Have you gotten your Jubilee sorted out yet, or is it becoming more of a long-term project? If so, I certainly can understand.

Edit: BTW, the Super Gold hasn't liked the DD tables I've tried it on (Teac and Denon) because it picks up hum. I haven't tried it on the Technics yet. I've considered making a TT mat from mu-metal, but that's certainly long-term, and I'm pretty broke for the time being. :(
 
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Found a good deal on a 750L, but don't have a good table (unless I get ambitious and rehab one of the project ROK or Gates).
Tried the cart on 3 different suspended 9" tables (Thorens, AR-XA, Systedek), but that ain't going to fly.
So now, I'm trying to get the old Calrad SV-12 unipivot, mounted on good ROK, converted to stereo and find a sled or alternate way of mounting the cart on that.
It's always something.
The good news is that while I briefly had it on the suspended tables, I got a nice hint of what the Jubilee can do ☺
 
It’s a difficult problem, because the unique Decca cartridge design gives very different horizontal and vertical compliances, so the tonearm mass is a compromise between the two. I think that the tonearm needs to be very rigid, have damping, and be of medium mass, around 10-15g roughly (the Decca International tonearm was 9g, and had silicon damping). Many s-shaped Technics tonearms, provided they've been modified with fluid damping, would be suitable, as long as a heavy headshell isn't used (i.e. nothing over 10g).

Without arm damping, the Decca (now known as London brand) cartridges apparently have trackability problems due to an under-damped cantilever. The ideal tonearm, of course, would be one of the superb electronically-damped tonearm turntables from Sony, JVC or Denon, since they’ll adapt to any cartridge.

Another member did put up the late Garrott Brothers’ advice about their Decca cartridge modifications in a previous thread about Decca cartridges. The Garrotts were the world specialists on improving Decca cartridges, and said that standard Decca cartridges varied a lot in how well they were damped – one of their mods was to improve that, by modifying how the cantilever damping was attached, so that they were optimally-damped. Because of the flimsy mounting bracket and body, they also recommended Plasticine (or similar modelling clay) damping between the headshell and mounting bracket, to prevent resonances in the mounting bracket and body. They allegedly also treated the cantilevers to prevent rust, according to someone who worked with them for a while!

So the mandatory thing is a damped tonearm, whether by fluid or electronic damping, to achieve the best sound quality from such a unique design, and a very rigid tonearm.
 
The US importer loves running them on VPI unipivots, damped. I have run my Super Gold successfully on three arms; Jelco 750L, VPI 10.5 and a Fidelity Research FR64S. I actually preferred the Jelco and the FR arms over the VPI but I may not have fuzted around with it enough on the VPI.

I have my SG mounted in a cocobolo body now. Had it running last night on my double platter slate Lenco on the 750L, sounding wonderful. I have a sheet of mu metal between the platters to reduce hum for the Decca and my Grado's.

We had some discussion going on Decca's here too:

http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/decca-cartridge.788253/page-5
 
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