So What is Still Able to Compete?

Discussion in 'Vintage Gear - Top Performers' started by MannyE, Jan 3, 2017.

  1. bd1886

    bd1886 Super Member

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    My limited ears on would agree.....no disguising quality from the more modern vintage engineering done well. (My vintage KEF 104/2s step into that arena truly decently......would love to hear 107s.)
     
  2. roger2

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    As for power amps, have there been any significant improvements on the basic 3-stage, Lin topology that originated in the 1950's?

    This is a question, not an assertion...
     
  3. twiiii

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    We'll a Klipschorn or Cornwall of old can compete with todays Heritage models. Even though its two much power a Mcintosh 3500 is preferred by some of us over the current tube stuff from Mac as it is all tube and not a hybrid. Using a Mac C-28 pre-amp with an Ampex ATR 102 will easily out perform any turntable made today and they are both analog.
     
  4. MannyE

    MannyE Exterminate! Subscriber

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    I was recently listening to an interview with Edgar Villchur, one of the fonders of Acoustic Research, and he was speaking about an experiment that they did where they had a live musician play on stage and recorded that performance then played it back to the audience that had just heard said performance and they couldn't tell the difference. I don't know the details of the experiment, but if accurate it shows that the equipment made in the 1960's could reproduce music well enough to mimic a live performance.

    Isn't that pretty much the point? If it could do that in 1960something doesn't it make sense that it does indeed compete with modern equipment? He lists the equipment used in the interview, but I'm not familiar with the models he mentions, although the manufacturers of the recording and playback equipment are very familiar. Also, if they could do that back then, wouldn't modern equipment just do the same thing?
     
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  5. Blue Shadow

    Blue Shadow I gotta get me a new title

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    I don't know if that is the point for everyone. That live performance was with non-amplified instruments. Big difference today. I know I don't own anything that can reproduce live or my hearing is better than the folks Edgar had in the audience.
     
  6. sqlsavior

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    Is a vintage car with new tires and new oil no longer a vintage car?

    Some here would seem to think so.
     
  7. just dave

    just dave vintage rules!

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    I agree with ya Manny.I think speakers have improved the most over the years.While I love many vintage speakers I think they can be bested by todays modern designs and materials.How much are you willing to spend to do that is another debate.
     
  8. Hawkeye83

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    You know, I don't doubt this at all...but in my gear I've had the opposite experience.

    I just haven't personally heard many modern speakers to know any better. I've heard and owned KEF LS50's and Wharfedale Diamond 9.6's. Not exactly the pinnacle of modern design (although both fairly good). For vintage speakers, I've owned KEF 107's, Quad ESL 57's, Magnepan 2.7QR's, Apogee Centaur, Bozak B-305...so some pretty good stuff. They all were essentially "as good" as the heralded KEF LS50's (although those are considered "budget" audiophile speakers). So I've been impressed with vintage speakers so far.

    The only "high-end" modern speakers I've heard were Wilson somethings...they were impressive, but it's been awhile since I've heard them. I don't know if I'd even want them or prefer them that much over say my KEF 107's. Would need another audition. Oh yes, also Legacy Focus...those were pretty great but again I'd need another audition.

    With vintage amplification, not so much luck...although again I haven't owned much. I bought two "restored" amps and both had problems and/or were not a good match with my speakers...so were sold off. They did sound good, when they worked. I've been buying more modern amplification since then...just don't want to deal with the trouble. Some day I would like to try out a higher end "restored" vintage amp...Citation, McIntosh, Marantz 8b...something along those lines.
     
  9. just dave

    just dave vintage rules!

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    I've heard of all those speakers but not actually heard any of them.Sounds like you've been around the block a time or two.So much gear so little time.:(
     
  10. ilusndweller

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    Meridian speakers from the 90s.
     
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