The next AK Fest ?

Discussion in 'AK Fest 2005' started by Grumpy, Apr 22, 2005.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy Krusty old SOB! Yes, I own Audiokarma Staff Member Admin Sponsor Subscriber

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    Believe me when i say Ann Arbor is way out of our budget. If we were spend that kind of cash then it would have been held in Troy or there abouts.
     

     

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  2. WhiteSE

    WhiteSE Is Lute Gluten Free?? Subscriber

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    Well, if we say U of M land, why not East Lansing or Lansing....or Flint..;-)

    Hotels will be cheaper, they have airports, and easy to drive around..
     
  3. krimney

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    AKfest 2006....

    Personally It doesn't matter much to me where it is, it's more important "what" it is. As I doubt it will ever be held in Calgary, it's a trip for me no matter where it is. With enough notice, most flights are gonna be pretty mcuh the same wether I fly to east coast or west. I would love to be able to drive to Seattle,vancouver or even North Dakota for a fest but the masses don't live in these parts. The fest could alternate east/west coast from year to year but then you'd end up with two different groups. I'm all for a buch of smaller gatherings.

    I liked the separate room idea, and would like to see that again. IF there was also a ball room made available for some of the "big rigs" to sound off that would be great too. Stacked tannoys would be nice to hear :D

    I also like the idea of having some scheduled activities such at 10:00am- turntable set up, 2:00pm voice coil repair, 5:00pm wine tasting :naughty:

    A two day event is good, perhaps a 3 day event would be better as it may be worth while for more vendors to bring stuff, especially for the swap meet.

    I'm already looking at some of my gear to see what can be sold to start rasing funds for next years trip.
     
  4. dgwojo

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  5. Army

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    Couple O' thoughts...

    Hold it in the same place till Grump gets sick and tired of it :scratch2:
    ( Thanks again Dave it was Great)

    Then maybe vote a site if it needs to be moved, which personally, Detroit is fine by me. Better turn out with critical mass etc... :thmbsp:

    Maybe have AKers setups in the rooms like this year, closed to the public.

    Put the venders in larger banquet rooms on the main floor, and open them to the public. Advertise with the local radio stations etc... By doing this maybe we could pull more vendors and make it bigger and better. It could make for some even bigger vendor turn out, more like an audio show :scratch2:

    Charge an admission fee of say $5 and gererate a little cashola for AK and have fun in the process.

    Just a thought or two.
    Army
     
  6. styler

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    one could also argue that changing the venue gets more AKers involved. 7000 members with the fact that Detroit may actually turn some people off (other than die hards). granted there's a strong core of north central USA/southern canada, but what about making it easier for west coast or southern members? i think keeping it in Detroit will keep the same great crowd coming. on the other hand changing the venue/region may get a whole 'nother great AK contingent involved. just some thoughts.
     
  7. botrytis

    botrytis Trying not to be a Small Speaker Hoarder Subscriber

    Who says we can't have AK East and AK West fests? Nobody did - what about that?
     
  8. luvvinvinyl

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    Granted, tyler, you make a good point. To counter, we go back to the infrastructure question. If you can find a place with the means to host the Fest, I don't think Grumpy would mind the trip. I know that I wouldn't mind seeing a new place and meeting new people.

    No disrespect, my friend, but you weren't here, last year, when this question was beaten to death, and there was no one, save Grumpy and his crew, who would take on the job.
     
  9. Army

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    Thor's bringing his world famous CV's in 2006

    :banana:

    Don't belieive me check out his CV speaker thread :cool:
     

     

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  10. luvvinvinyl

    luvvinvinyl Aggie! Staff Member Admin Subscriber

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    Army, YOU check out that thread. I do believe we cross-posted!
     
  11. luvvinvinyl

    luvvinvinyl Aggie! Staff Member Admin Subscriber

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    You really CYA on that whole "i before e" rule, don't ya!
     
  12. Army

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    Ah yeah :D

    That or I'm just frigg'in blind or a lousy typist or all three :D
     
  13. Fishstink

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    Regional AK Fests

    Could be done. Perhaps East, Midwest and West. Grump continues as is and two other members step up in their regions and organize a AK fest in their region. Maybe one in Fla. or CA. in the winter so families could mix a vacation with a fest. Some members might be able to attend two of them sometimes, like East and Midwest. This would all depend on membership numbers in the region. Realisticly one AK fest cannot serve an organization that covers the whole US. and Canada. Think about it.
     
  14. styler

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    well, unless people step up to the plate to fund separate fests then AK Admin may not be able to provide what they did. i can tell you that AK was very generous to us in Detroit, and i doubt that funds could cover two events without much better financial support from members. AK Fest made clear to me that our funds are used wisely and for good causes, but then we need to improve donations. more donations equals more events, raffles, etc. it may be more feasible to have some long range planning and pick the next 3 or 4 years in advance and try to move the show to different regions of the country, or have smaller member organized events that are not directly financially supported by admin. youre talking catering, prizes, raffles, room deposits, advertising, and more - doubling that would take some fund raising. i think its a great idea to have additional events. maybe we can have regional admins to do these events and people can then donate directly to those events. i would happily organize an event in Little Rock or Memphis, big or small.
     
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    Good Point

    I was thinking of satisfying more members without considering the economics.
     
  16. styler

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    you are absolutely correct Ernie. Grumpy and crew deserves the "I Endured the Mother of all Hassles" award, no doubt about it. :thmbsp:

    why dont you organize the AK Trans USA-CAN International Audio Fest! lol, would be kinda fun to come to Windsor.... :scratch2:
     
  17. luvvinvinyl

    luvvinvinyl Aggie! Staff Member Admin Subscriber

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    Grumpy already did that one, it was held in Southfield, in the true spirit of international relations!

    Seriously, it is a major pain for vendors to cart stuff across the border, on temporary export/re-import permits (E15B or E29B paperwork). And God help you if you have some work done by, say, Echo, Punker, or NOSValves!

    I don't have access to the membership logs, but I would imagine that the Greater Toronto Area would function as Detroit does, for the majority of the Canadian membership. We do have some youngsters out west, and krimney, too. There are some 'Down-Easters' among our favourites, as well, but Windsor-to-Ottawa would cover most of us, in the Great White North. Scheduling and numbers would dictate that household gatherings are more likely, in the 5-10 range, rather than a Fest. An ambitious project would, I think, number 20-30. You wouldn't get many, if any, vendors on those numbers. I stand open to correction, if 40 or 50 fellow countrymen post to the contrary.
     

     

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  18. Ms Grumpy

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    OK Guys..this thread has got many people dreaming of where to have AKfest2006.. But what I think Grumpy was trying to ask is what can we do to IMPROVE the fest. I know that many people would like to have the fest in the area that they live. But unfortunately, we can't make everyone happy. We damn near kill ourselves trying, but it just ain't gonna happen.

    So for everyone who was there, or even if you weren't at AKfest, let us know what you would like to see, or do, or any idea to make the next fest more interesting, fun, sucessful, or all of the above.

    And for everyone who would like to have the next AKfest in your area. Please realize that this is a full time job! I am fortunate enough to work in the food industry and have a few connections. I was also able to utilize my 3 teenagers to help in the shopping, storage (my daughters home) and preparation of food because there is no way that any event like this can be catered on the budjet we had (believe me if we could have had it catered I would have been very well rested for the fest). I may have bitched about all the work, but let me tell you when it was all over and done with....It was all worth it when we heard what a great time everyone had. That was so rewarding to both Grumpy and I.

    Now let's have some great ideas...and no Kam...no tricycle races.....

    Ms Grumpy
     
  19. luvvinvinyl

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    WHAT!!! Kam wants Tricycle races, TOO??? ALLRIGHT!

    I really like the idea of a workshop, for tonearm/cart setup, surround technique with the test tone vs. battery vs. shim, change a tonearm? Some lucky AKer that wants his changed, but doesn't know how to do it, could get the benefit of expert assistance - raffle idea? Maybe other tech work that comes up, often? Caps? Woodworking seems to be a recurring theme, lately. Veneering/finishing demo? Merrylander's technique for metal cabs?

    OTT, more of the same. Swap room was great, demo systems by members and dealers. Great spirit there, with gear being swapped around. I got to hear different carts/arms in ED, amps with different speakers, same speakers with different amps. Food was great, too. Perfect idea, keeping everybody in the hotel, for lunch. (Thanks, Ms Grumpy) With the success of this year, I can only imagine how big next year's gathering will be. I think that 3 days is a bit of a stretch for some, but if there are more vendors'/members' systems, you might need three days to hear everything. I don't think that you will have difficulty making next year's event bigger. Rather, it seems that 'nothing succeeds like success'. I can envision latecomers not being able to get space, to show their gear.

    p.s. I will be there for both (all three?) days next year. And I hereby volunteer for duty, on the day before. Whatever you need, Grumpy.
     
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  20. Andyman

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    Damn, luvinvinyl, You type faster than I do!! :D

    Thanks for getting this back on track, Ms. Grumpy!!

    What I liked, vis' a vis' AKFest 2004? Prolly everything!!
    The rooms really were better, maybe not for the vendors, but there was much more isolation than in the larger, shared rooms last year.
    The breaks for food and the Swap Meet were much better than last year when we had them both jammed into one room.
    What I prolly REALLY liked was all the member's rooms. By my count there were at least 9 rooms for members gear, excluding Craig's 3 NOSValve rooms. That made for lots of gear and lots of swapping/experimentation, like Ray mixing and matching all sorts of stuff, Craig's Heresey/JBL/Altec/Tannoy trials, Squidward's DIY Dynaco tube amp w/ my 2265B front end, and the duelling Ohm's in Punker's room. That's what really makes this special. I mean where else could one go and see/hear/mix all these various combinations of stuff from all over the audio spectrum! Honestly, I really think we could do quite a few more rooms with all the guys within 100 miles of here.

    I was also impressed by the turnout and meeting all the members. Folks came from as far as Vegas, Long Beach and Calgary and I know they weren't disappointed. I bet they prolly were blown away by what they found when they got here!!

    What better for next year? Well, 2 days seems fine to me; 3 would be pushing it for lots of folks. I'm local here, but it'd be tough further away. Some workshops would be cool as mentioned. I'm up for doing one on refoaming; it's a skill we all should develop in this hobby and not really as hard as it sounds. I could do one on refinishing/rehabbing cabs too; I guess I'm just sort of an elbow grease kinda guy.

    AKFest 2004 rocked, but 2005 blew it away! I know it's been said 1000 times before, but Grumpy, your entire family, Tim and Steph, and Luther; you guys are the absolute best for pulling this off. Pat all yourselves on the back several times more; it's still not enough!
     

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