The Official H/K Citation Owners Thread

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  1. Roadrash

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    I finally got my hands on a Citation 16 today. Very nice clean unit, and I paid what i feel is a very fair price for it. The build quality of this thing is amazing, it looks like it was made for the military. Never has the phrase 'built like a tank' been more appropriate. It sounds great too. One thing I have to throw out there though, having this in the rig illustrates just how good the Citation 22 I pulled out really is. I'm glad the Citation gear is still so underrated, because you can get some outstanding deals compared to the more popular name brands. KIMG1044-1.jpg KIMG1041-1.jpg
     
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  2. sberger

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    Never tire of my 22/25 combo. Built like tanks and sound great. What's not to like?
     
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  3. chapps

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    Anybody here willing to sell a HK Citation preamp?
     
  4. CT Jim

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    There has been a Citation 11 on cl recently by a seller in milford
     
  5. Roadrash

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    I'm not too sure that the 22 isn't going back into the main system at this point. It's a very good match for the Allisons. The 16 has a very different sound than the 22. The bass is much tighter with the 16, and the soundstage seems more closed in. It could be that it doesn't pair up as well with the P306RS pre as the 22 also. I'm going to listen to it for awhile and just enjoy it, my intial impressions could be a little off. The 16 runs waaaaaaay cooler than the 22 that's for sure.
     
  6. MotherSauce1

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    Ooh she's a beaut!
     
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  7. MarZutra

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    Very good question. I'd like to hear from Citation I owners or Citation IV owners on these vintage tube pres. Almost got a Citation I however it was too beat - basically a parts bin - in trade for my Marantz 2235/Imperial 7.... Perhaps if one crosses my path... ;-)
     
  8. MarZutra

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    Firstly, congrats. You are entirely right. These are very under rated amps. Very well built with 150wpc that is real power and not just the common 'rating'. Extremely well built. Kudos and enjoy!
     
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  9. Roadrash

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    This particular one is right at 170wpc, the gentleman that I bought it from was more than happy to demonstrate that to me on the bench before I bought it. And thank you very much for the congrats. I've wanted one of these monsters since they came out in the 70's, but couldn't afford one back then. I bought my 22 about a year ago, and have been looking for a 16 since then. I got lucky and found one locally for roughly half of what I've seen them for on the auction sight. Needless to say I'm pretty happy with my amplifier situation right now. I think I'm going to use the 22 in the party hut/man cave with my CDM1s until I come up with another preamp to start building the downstairs system around my Altec 315s. Decisions, decisions. Lol
     
  10. Roadrash

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    A little love for the Big 16 today. New 22,000uf filter caps.
    The originals were fine I think, but I figured it wouldn't hurt anything.
     

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  11. Superampman

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    They are not underrated. Unrecognized due to age maybe but they were well regarded when they were made. I remember guys in the high end shops I used to frequent saying, "I'm just gonna get a Citation 16" in reference to the 'unknown'. I opted for my now well known(at least by me), Boothroyd Stuart Meridian 105 monos. They actually spanked the Citation along with most other contenders. Not the XX, though, as I have recently discovered. The 16 has always been a fine amp.
     
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  12. MarZutra

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    You are right though in today's world I'd say they are both unrecognized and underrated. They, most certainly were very well regarded in their day and very well made no question there broski.
    My tech was really taken with them. He said that the monos out perform many other amps he regularly sees/services including Bryston and even his Hegel. He had mine mated to his rather difficult to drive Sultanus Acoustics ESL Virtuoso for a week or better and found the results stunning...
     
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  13. Roadrash

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    I finally got back to the Citation so I could set the DC offset, and the Idle current (which were both off before I swapped the filter caps). I don't know if it's the caps, or the offset and idle current being set correctly, or both but I hear a big difference in sound quality. The amp doesn't seem to be working as hard now, and the red leds didn't light once whereas before they were lit a lot of the time. Strictly my opinion of course.
     
  14. MickeLeFrog

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    Hi having big problems with my citation 24 When i switched from 4 ohm to 8 ohm my right stage blew both 6.3 amp fuses and no its dead Andy advises and does anyone have the complete SM for it not just shematics btw its a euro modell and the shematics ive foundation so far is not matchning exactlly whith the Circuit bords i have Please ned help
     
  15. fred soop

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    This looks like it should link to the service manual. Be aware that it will say "processing" or similar for a minute or so before the "Get Manual" link appears. Also, the schematic is not 100% accurate.

    https://elektrotanya.com/harman_kardon_citation-24_sm.pdf/download.html

    Did you switch between 4 and 8 ohms with the power on? Not good, as this switch actually switches to a different transformer tap with a different voltage. There would have been a transient of some sort, going in either direction, and this likely blew something out.
     
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  17. cnyel1967

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    I recently acquired this 16-A and 17 set up and love the feel and look of these pieces! Both have issues and will be heading to the shop for repair and possible restoration after the holiday.....will start looking for the chrome rack handles for the 16A as well...
     

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  18. djoffe

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    I've always liked the way HK used dual transformers and power supplies for their Stereo Power Amps...like in the Citation 12 and in the Citation 16 you've shown above..
     
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  19. daveg3588

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    Welcome to the club!
     
  20. Hegeman_dude

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    Hey guys, I was recently lucky enough to get an H/K Citation 11 and 12 on Ebay. The 12 is recapped with Nichicon FGs, with the exception of the filter caps. I had previously bought some New Large Advents ("officially" the Advent /1s, at least on the speakers themselves). I also constructed the infamous Citation 11 cable which runs back from the power amp output, allowing for speaker selection and headphone operation using the pre-amp.

    I have a newbie question. Eventually (when I get a good price), I would like to double stack with another pair of Advents, as I have heard there is something "magical" about this sound. Two questions: has anyone had the opportunity to hear 4 Advents at once, and was it everything it's cracked up to be? I'm quite enjoying my single pair for now. Secondly, does the 12 have the guts to drive 4 Advents in parallel? I'm assuming that with the Citation 11 selector switch set to "system 1 and 2" it will be driving them in parallel. The 12 is rated at 60 watts RMS. Advents read 8 Ohms but I've heard they usually measure closer to 6. Just trying not to blow anything up just yet! Thanks!
     

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