Two runs of speaker wire to one speaker?
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toxcrusadr
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Harmonic loading? Can you explain that one? I know what inductance is but this one whooshed right past my head.
Isn't that standard bi-wiring?
Tim64
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I don't ergo the "I think" part of what I said. There are quite a few speaker cables out there that use a multi braided wire so, I would "guess" in your opinion these would also suffer from harmonic loading.? Just curious of your opinion. Also if the OP twist the cables together do you believe that would eliminate the issue of uneven capacitance?
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So how heavy must it be before it stops mattering? And if the cables are of abnormally high capacitance, they're not going to be of much good regardless of how heavy they are. Such cables have even proven destructive to certain amplifiers.
OMGCat!
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I was always under the impression that the lowest resistance and capaciance is what you shoot for.
1g would be fine except a pain in the butt to run for obvious reasons.
The bi-wire thing was explained to me in the the larger drivers can induce tiny voltages through over travel that can create audible distortion through the tweeters. I guess running a separate pair of wires back to the amp before the woofer and tweeter wires meet is enough time for that bit of voltage to go away some how? I dunno.
B&W recommends bi-wiring on every pair I've had so there is probably something to it. I can't say I really noticed a difference though. I might try to add and pull the jumpers now that I'm curious.
1g would be fine except a pain in the butt to run for obvious reasons.
The bi-wire thing was explained to me in the the larger drivers can induce tiny voltages through over travel that can create audible distortion through the tweeters. I guess running a separate pair of wires back to the amp before the woofer and tweeter wires meet is enough time for that bit of voltage to go away some how? I dunno.
B&W recommends bi-wiring on every pair I've had so there is probably something to it. I can't say I really noticed a difference though. I might try to add and pull the jumpers now that I'm curious.
Tim64
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I am sorry that efzauner hijacked your thread with a bunch of nonsense that I was trying to make him back up with examples. Evidently his purpose was to just stir the pot. Anyone who read his last post before it got deleted is him admitting to doing just that. A couple lines before I called him out not so nicely and it also got deleted. This kind of trolling is not in the spirit of AK and I hope efzauner gets suspended for a few days or just goes away I put him on ignore myself. Keep experimenting and have fun all.
after efzauner said:
"and 3 of my posts were utter made up BS. The first one I admitted as much. Nobody called me out on the 2 others.
That is the state of audio today. I made my point.
Have a great day!"
I saw this post, then went through and deleted all his garbage posts in the thread early today, just on general principles!
Such crap! I, like you, prefer to have real conversations with real people I can respect,
instead of have arguments with trolls posting made-up-junk for their own little jollies.
Sorry if I knocked the conversation, I was trying for a more civilized housekeeping.
"and 3 of my posts were utter made up BS. The first one I admitted as much. Nobody called me out on the 2 others.
That is the state of audio today. I made my point.
Have a great day!"
I saw this post, then went through and deleted all his garbage posts in the thread early today, just on general principles!
Such crap! I, like you, prefer to have real conversations with real people I can respect,
instead of have arguments with trolls posting made-up-junk for their own little jollies.
Sorry if I knocked the conversation, I was trying for a more civilized housekeeping.
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Isn't that standard bi-wiring?
It looks to me that bi-wiring is just moving the jumpers from the speaker posts to the amp/receiver end.
Correct - with 2 sets of cables.
I think the OP was asking about running 2 Sets off 2 different posts, tied to a single set of binding posts on the actual speakers. A little different.
z-adamson
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I think the OP was asking about running 2 Sets off 2 different posts, tied to a single set of binding posts on the actual speakers. A little different.
You understood me correctly.
My cables are made up of 6 single runs of 16g, 3 each way, and round braided. 11.5g combined. They sound distinctly better than the 12 they replace. Elsewhere I've argued against the idea of using super sized single cables. You start getting up into the single digits wire gauges and they begin clearly showing significant inductance. Capacitance isn't that big of a deal to over come since the values are small and most amps have damping factors that'll sop that up, but high inductance raises the impedance at higher frequencies. Generally, good cables aim to get the inductance way down, often at the cost of higher capacitance. If you're looking for very low capacitance, lamp cord is actually good stuff. I personally believe anything over 14g should be made of multiple conductors. The audible difference between identical lengths of my 6 connductor cables and 2 12g conductors is obvious. The highs and mid-range are distinctly clearer with more air and detail. I think using multiple smaller conductors is an excellent approach. An amp that has trouble driving that extra capacitance is a questionable amp. Most modern speakers are much more reactive than the cables they're connected to.
HTHMAN
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That is exactly like leaving the bridge in place, All you have done is replace it with a really long bridge. To take advantage of bi-wiring, you need an active crossover and two amps.Isn't that standard bi-wiring?
I LIKE MUSIC
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That is not exactly the way it works
Leaving out to change in inductance and capacitance the load will remain the same except for the slight reduction in the overall resistance of the wiring from the amplifier to speaker
I LIKE MUSIC
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In general one would have to do something special with the input signal throughout the amplifiers right and left channel that is to be used in a bridged mode
Again in general using both the A and B outputs of a stereo amplifier to drive a single pair speakers by paralleling the runs of wire to the speakers will maintain the impedance of the speakers being driven
To be clear if one where to use an amplifier that was capable of being bridged and then put it in the bridged mode your assumption is correct the load as seen by the amplifier would be half of the load to which it is connected
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