Record Cleaning - Soap and Water - test results

Could you use a hair dryer set on 'blow' (no heat) to dry the record instaed of micro-fiber cloths?

Evaporating the water this way would still likely leave minerals or other particles on the record. Instead of my usual vacuum method, I once tried wiping with microfiber towels. It looked good, but the stylus collected lint.
 
Well ... I'm not thinking so much of evaporating as I am of blowing the water off. Both will probably have the same result though!
 
Evaporating the water this way would still likely leave minerals or other particles on the record. Instead of my usual vacuum method, I once tried wiping with microfiber towels. It looked good, but the stylus collected lint.

What was referred to earlier as "smedge". Micro-Fiber Towel, "Micro Smedge" is the result. Mark
 
I'm bringing this post back to life. Out of the following cleaning methods I've used: Discwasher, wood glue, soap and water, the soap and water method is the winner. I made a DIY sealed clamp out of two circular plastic electric box covers. I used an old cabinet knob, screw and nut to clamp the two covers together over the label. Did a wash with warm soft water (I have a water softener system) using dawn, a paint brush and a towel (not sure if it's microfiber, but it worked and left no particles behind). I did a batch of 7 records and set them in a dish rack to dry. Right now, I am listening to a cleaned copy of Joe Jackson's Night and Day; not a single click, pop or the annoying distorted "ssss." I'll test my Sinatra albums later.
 
I got sucked into vacuuming my records after washing them, and now it bothers me to do it any other way.
Not vacuuming a record after washing it would be like washing my car, but not drying it.
 
This post put me onto the local hardware store where I got 2 metal outdoor light box covers with 2 hex-head pipe thread hole plugs, a 1/4"x 2&1/2" carriage bolt, a fender washer, and a wing nut to make a label saver record wash appliance like this. I have had a Cecil Watts record wash brush for over 30 years and many of my records are poxed with mildew from rough storage in a region where fungus is the predominent vegetation. This will make cleaning them in the sink ever soooo much easier.
A rilly big Thank You!

I'm bringing this post back to life. Out of the following cleaning methods I've used: Discwasher, wood glue, soap and water, the soap and water method is the winner. I made a DIY sealed clamp out of two circular plastic electric box covers. I used an old cabinet knob, screw and nut to clamp the two covers together over the label. Did a wash with warm soft water (I have a water softener system) using dawn, a paint brush and a towel (not sure if it's microfiber, but it worked and left no particles behind). I did a batch of 7 records and set them in a dish rack to dry. Right now, I am listening to a cleaned copy of Joe Jackson's Night and Day; not a single click, pop or the annoying distorted "ssss." I'll test my Sinatra albums later.
 

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I got sucked into vacuuming my records after washing them, and now it bothers me to do it any other way.
Not vacuuming a record after washing it would be like washing my car, but not drying it.
Michael,

What is your method of vacuuming the record are washing it?

all best,

Joe
 
Michael,

What is your method of vacuuming the record are washing it?

all best,

Joe
I have a spray bottle with distilled water, a splash of alcohol, a couple drops of Dawn.
I spray the record, while it's on the turntable, then take a brush and get the grooves covered.
I take the record off and vacuum it with a crevice tool with a shop vac.
Do a search for crevice tool in here under the turntable forum.
 
I vacuum mine with a crevice tool, too. Otherwise, I get microfiber lint on the stylus.

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Using PIO1980's basic design I built my own label protector. The only change I made was to use two knobs I found at the hardware store. Using a 3 inch 1/4 inch bolt, I cut the head off of the bolt, threaded and glued it to one knob, then the other know screws on the other end of course.

With the knobs you have something to hold onto when cleaning, and you can rest the record on the knob without the record touching the table.

Can anyone think why this same outdoor electrical plate could not be used to make a record press for the turntable by adding some weight to it?
 

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Hi everyone, new member here. I am getting into vinyl for the first time. My family had an old Pioneer back in the early '80s that I would listen to as a kid, I don't really remember the sound quality. Got into good quality audio maybe five or so years ago, CDs only, but I always had the intention of doing vinyl, and now I am! My old vinyls, and eBay purchases, are in good shape but definitely need a cleaning.

I will be buying a Groovmaster and using this method with some slight variations. I plan to use distilled water, as someone here said that regular water contains some undissolved solids that could scratch the vinyl. It's probably at such a microscopic level that it may not matter, but buying a jug of distilled at the grocery store costs only a couple of bucks.

I may apply via a paintbrush, but I also plan to use a brush made specifically for wet cleaning of vinyl, maybe a Clearaudio Pure Groove. The solution will be simply Dawn and warmed distilled water. Then rinse with clean distilled water and then air dry.

I've been debating whether to vacuum, but to be honest I don't see how it'll do anything. Vacuuming's benefit seems to be in drying records so that mineral deposits aren't left on the vinyl. But if you only use distilled water that's not a problem. Another benefit seems to be that it sucks up dirty fluid and any gunk in the grooves. But that's only there because with most RCMs you apply the fluid and simply push it through the grooves. You don't actually rinse the dirty solution off. Why would anything stay on the record if you use detergent, agitate with a brush, and then rinse it off? The rinse should get every bit of debris off the record. Usually methods that apply direct contact and agitation (like the soap and water method) are better than those that do not. Like a touchless vs. touch car wash. The touch wash always cleans better. I have some doubt as to whether a vacuum cleaner will truly get everything out of the grooves. Vacuums aren't always the best at sucking up things that are kind of stuck to a surface, like dog hair stuck to the floor with a bit of water.

One other thought...I know people want brushes that get right into the grooves. I am trying to accomplish that by using the Clearaudio wet brush. But I don't think it's absolutely necessary. A brush with bristles that are a bit too large will still push water and detergent through the grooves and thus create some agitation that way. This is probably why a simple paint brush is sufficient.

Anyhow, thanks to the OP for sharing this method. It seems extremely effective both from a cost and cleaning perspective.
 
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I've been debating whether to vacuum, but to be honest I don't see how it'll do anything.

having washed by hand and also with a vacuum, I won't be going without again.

I can't give you the science, only the tangible results to my ears.
 
having washed by hand and also with a vacuum, I won't be going without again.

I can't give you the science, only the tangible results to my ears.

In all honesty, I still may buy a KAB EV-1 to use as a final step. But I'll wait and see how the OP's method works for me first. I have one question for those who have used it. Do you need to use a wet vac? From reading online posts it seems you can use just about any kind of vacuum. But you are vacuuming cleaning solution and water, so I would think a wet vac would be ideal.
 
Hi everyone, new member here. I am getting into vinyl for the first time. My family had an old Pioneer back in the early '80s that I would listen to as a kid, I don't really remember the sound quality. Got into good quality audio maybe five or so years ago, CDs only, but I always had the intention of doing vinyl, and now I am! My old vinyls, and eBay purchases, are in good shape but definitely need a cleaning.

I will be buying a Groovmaster and using this method with some slight variations. I plan to use distilled water, as someone here said that regular water contains some undissolved solids that could scratch the vinyl. It's probably at such a microscopic level that it may not matter, but buying a jug of distilled at the grocery store costs only a couple of bucks.

I may apply via a paintbrush, but I also plan to use a brush made specifically for wet cleaning of vinyl, maybe a Clearaudio Pure Groove. The solution will be simply Dawn and warmed distilled water. Then rinse with clean distilled water and then air dry.

I've been debating whether to vacuum, but to be honest I don't see how it'll do anything. Vacuuming's benefit seems to be in drying records so that mineral deposits aren't left on the vinyl. But if you only use distilled water that's not a problem. Another benefit seems to be that it sucks up dirty fluid and any gunk in the grooves. But that's only there because with most RCMs you apply the fluid and simply push it through the grooves. You don't actually rinse the dirty solution off. Why would anything stay on the record if you use detergent, agitate with a brush, and then rinse it off? The rinse should get every bit of debris off the record. Usually methods that apply direct contact and agitation (like the soap and water method) are better than those that do not. Like a touchless vs. touch car wash. The touch wash always cleans better. I have some doubt as to whether a vacuum cleaner will truly get everything out of the grooves. Vacuums aren't always the best at sucking up things that are kind of stuck to a surface, like dog hair stuck to the floor with a bit of water.

One other thought...I know people want brushes that get right into the grooves. I am trying to accomplish that by using the Clearaudio wet brush. But I don't think it's absolutely necessary. A brush with bristles that are a bit too large will still push water and detergent through the grooves and thus create some agitation that way. This is probably why a simple paint brush is sufficient.

Anyhow, thanks to the OP for sharing this method. It seems extremely effective both from a cost and cleaning perspective.

Many good thoughts here. I agree with most. I have found recently that using a paintbrush to spread a cleaning solution on the disc works best if you can really spin the disc quickly to get enough agitation to create sudsing. I also feel that the first stage cleaning solution should be sufficiently concentrated to really soften and loosen the dirt. The typical mild distilled water, IPA, few drops of Dawn is not potent enough IMO for discs that are more than just dusty. I do the sudsy wash, then rinse three times on the Disc Doctor with distilled water/IPA, vacuuming between each step. The results have been excellent (a tremendous improvement over using the Disc Doctor with only the mild water/IPA/dawn solution). The downside is that the Disc Doctor fills with liquid quickly and is a royal pain to empty. I think a homemade shop vac attachment would be better. As to air drying vs. vacuum, I agree that vacuuming seems to be better though I haven't done a comparison with my improved cleaning solution. Before I had the Disc Doctor I used microfiber towels to get most of the wetness off and let them air dry the rest of the way. The towels did leave some lint behind that a Discwasher brush removed on the first post-cleaning play. I tried letting the discs air dry without first wiping them down and they were noisier that way. I surmise that airborne dust got into the water on the disc and then deposited into the grooves as the water evaporated. Wiping them down first meant a shorter time to air dry so less dust entrapment. A theory, anyway. Best advice is to read as much as you can stomach of other people's experience, and then experiment to find a process you are happy with.
 
i use a mr clean white side magic eraser wetted with dishwashing soap then rinse and dry off and then i use my wittner antistatic carbon fiber brush and then play them!
 
Many good thoughts here. I agree with most. I have found recently that using a paintbrush to spread a cleaning solution on the disc works best if you can really spin the disc quickly to get enough agitation to create sudsing. I also feel that the first stage cleaning solution should be sufficiently concentrated to really soften and loosen the dirt. The typical mild distilled water, IPA, few drops of Dawn is not potent enough IMO for discs that are more than just dusty. I do the sudsy wash, then rinse three times on the Disc Doctor with distilled water/IPA, vacuuming between each step. The results have been excellent (a tremendous improvement over using the Disc Doctor with only the mild water/IPA/dawn solution). The downside is that the Disc Doctor fills with liquid quickly and is a royal pain to empty. I think a homemade shop vac attachment would be better. As to air drying vs. vacuum, I agree that vacuuming seems to be better though I haven't done a comparison with my improved cleaning solution. Before I had the Disc Doctor I used microfiber towels to get most of the wetness off and let them air dry the rest of the way. The towels did leave some lint behind that a Discwasher brush removed on the first post-cleaning play. I tried letting the discs air dry without first wiping them down and they were noisier that way. I surmise that airborne dust got into the water on the disc and then deposited into the grooves as the water evaporated. Wiping them down first meant a shorter time to air dry so less dust entrapment. A theory, anyway. Best advice is to read as much as you can stomach of other people's experience, and then experiment to find a process you are happy with.

Great write-up and some good analysis here. When I have a more-than-dusty thrift store record, I give it a pre-clean in the sink with warm water and dish soap before the usual cleaning / rinse cycle on the RCM. I think you're right about the airborne dust entrapment - in any case I think this is another reason, besides suction on the grooves, that the vacuum step is mandatory.
 
i use a mr clean white side magic eraser wetted with dishwashing soap then rinse and dry off and then i use my wittner antistatic carbon fiber brush and then play them!

I will never do that again. Tried that once with a U2 Joshua Tree album and the magic eraser removed the sheen off the vinyl. There were many micro surface scratches. I think it degraded the sound quality as well.
 
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