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Old 11-08-2009, 10:11 AM
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I would be much better off if I bought that Garrard 301/Thorens/Rega/Linn,and then bought the upgraded power supply,bought or made a completely different tonearm for it,made a new plinth from wood only found in the Black Forest,and then tear it apart if I need to change the speed.
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I believe the ball has now been hit back across the net.
Not really; it's more like the ball has been hit off the court.

Great TT's are born without tonearm.
Great TT's are born with a proper plinth.
Great TT's are born with more than sufficient power supply.

Speed change?
I have a button for that.

It's just fine with me to categorize, in general, Garrard 301/Thorens/Rega/Linn as overrated TT's as well; if that was the point.

By the way: is it this Thorens you were thinking about?



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Old 11-08-2009, 10:51 AM
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That looks more like a Dual !!!
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:59 AM
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Not really; it's more like the ball has been hit off the court.

Great TT's are born without tonearm.
Great TT's are born with a proper plinth.
Great TT's are born with more than sufficient power supply.

Speed change?
I have a button for that.

It's just fine with me to categorize, in general, Garrard 301/Thorens/Rega/Linn as overrated TT's as well; if that was the point.

By the way: is it this Thorens you were thinking about?


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It seems like the debate is being taken to unrealistic extremes.
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:00 PM
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The Thorens in that pic looks absolutely drool-worthy!
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:13 PM
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It seems like the debate is being taken to unrealistic extremes.
Not at all surprising.
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:27 PM
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I would be much better off if I bought that Garrard 301/Thorens/Rega/Linn,and then bought the upgraded power supply,bought or made a completely different tonearm for it,made a new plinth from wood only found in the Black Forest,and then tear it apart if I need to change the speed.
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......Or is it this Thorens you want to modify?



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Old 11-08-2009, 03:39 PM
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:20 PM
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So let me get this straight. Are we now comparing a limited production boutique Thorens to a 1200 to finally settle the BD/DD debate?

I love guys like this. They are the ones keeping down the cost of vintage DD tables!

Please, continue posting.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:31 PM
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All fun and games aside, the JVC line in this time period is quality.

A far cry from the modern dreck wearing the badge nowadays.

That, of course, is a generalization, and they are still capable of great gear- some of the CD and DVD players are true gems.

But frankly, most of their modern offerings are not.



Let's be honest- those wonderful belt drive TTs shown here are most likely supreme.


But for the working man who wants HiFi that's RELATIVELY affordable, there's a whole slew of direct drive Japanese tables and belt drive American and European tables of vintage era that will shame many a modern belt drive table, or direct drive table, for that matter.

A few exceptions notwithstanding.



Quality affordable sound can be found in modern offerings, and vintage offerings in belt drive, idler drive and direct drive camps.


I'm not interested in pissing in anyone's Cheerios.


And I have no desire to mock those who strive for good affordable (within whatever their budget) sound.

If you can afford a $1000+ Yamaha GT-2000, awesome. A $2,500 VPI classic? nice! A $400 Technics SL-1200? Good for you! A $900 Rega P3? wonderful. A $200 JVC? Excellent!
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So let me get this straight. Are we now comparing a limited production boutique Thorens to a 1200 to finally settle the BD/DD debate?

I love guys like this. They are the ones keeping down the cost of vintage DD tables!

Please, continue posting.
Yessir.... those direct drive turntables certainly do suck.

Errrr ummmm just take my word for it. Ignore the fact I've got three DD turntables as 'daily drivers.'
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Note- I feel the thread has had some light kidding going on here and no true mean spirited intentions.

At least that's what I'm hoping for.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:59 AM
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IMHE you can, at the same price tag or much cheaper as you get those japanese DD's for, get much better sounding belt/string driven TT's on the used market.

It does not have to cost an arm or a leg.

But these options doesn't matter much if you fit a low-end-budget-entry-level cartridge or some tonearm flexing all the way over the vinyl.

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Old 11-09-2009, 09:08 AM
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IMHE you can, at the same price tag or much cheaper as you get those japanese DD's for, get much better sounding belt/string driven TT's on the used market.

It does not have to cost an arm or a leg.

But these options doesn't matter much if you fit a low-end-budget-entry-level cartridge or some tonearm flexing all the way over the vinyl.

"dolph"

You are entitled to your opinion and may be correct.


However the question posed isn't addressed by your posts.


The question is if JVC is an overlooked or underrated brand.



And, depending on model of course,folks seem to believe "yes".


The question from the OP never was if folk felt belt or idler drive was better than direct drive.


And $34 the OP put out is a cheap cash outlay for a decent sounding table.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:12 PM
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IMHE you can, at the same price tag or much cheaper as you get those japanese DD's for, get much better sounding belt/string driven TT's on the used market.

It does not have to cost an arm or a leg.

But these options doesn't matter much if you fit a low-end-budget-entry-level cartridge or some tonearm flexing all the way over the vinyl.

"dolph"
That may indeed be your experience, but my experience (by luck or happenstance) has been far different:

Technics SP-15, Free from a local radio station
JVC QL-A7, $5 from a yard sale
Kenwood KD-3070 w/Ortofon OM-30, $10 from a flea market

Considering the guy who sold me the JVC is a very experienced "Ebay flipper", I'd have to say, yes, the JVC turntables are underrated and overlooked.

Of the many belt-drive models I've picked up (also very cheap) in thrift shops or yard sales, nothing comes remotely close to the quality and performance of the those three direct drive models.

This is not meant as a put down of belt drives.... I'm just patiently waiting to find that high end belt drive turntable at some future yard sale.
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