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This manual record cleaning/vacuuming system works great. (with pics!)

My record cleaner I just purchase is this machine and saw it on Michael Fremer's video, It's a Vinyl World After All." It's on the way as we speak. :banana:
Congrats on the new machine, but at $1,400 I think I'll stick with my home made set-up. :yes:
 
Congrats on the new machine, but at $1,400 I think I'll stick with my home made set-up. :yes:

I really enjoyed the write-up and pictures. I have old DD TT that I was going to gut and use as a RCM, but mount in an old Victrola cabinet. I think you convinced me just to mount the platter and bearing in the cabinet and spin by hand. You just saved me a hell of a lot of work :thmbsp: .....C
 
Don't knock it man. (even though I might have :o). That was my main TT for about 6 years. I really appreciated it all that time.
There's always better gear out there. And when you move up the equipment food chain (as I bet you will if you stick with this), you will experience better and better performance. That is the blessing and the curse of this hobby.
So, try not to let my opinion about the 1010 get you down or give you wanderlust. Relax and enjoy...
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Well spoken , I've got a few tables , non of the big buck ones and they all sound good to me but the curse , the curse :D
 
Brilliant! And well explained! I've had similar thoughts about using a vacuum cleaner but hadn't worked out how to implement it. Need a crappy old TT now......

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Nicely done! I think the record clamp is the missing link for me... Anytime I've tried to vacuum the record it sucks it right off the platter... hmmm. :scratch2: This inspires me to get back to my own home brew rcm and finish it up. Thanks!
 
Very nice job there - simple but effective! :thmbsp:

I use a VPI machine, now with the addition of a steaming step (Walgreens steamer), and for really dirty (or any moldy) finds I'll do a sink-wash first, but I still agree with your approach on several fundamentals. I like to apply the fluid and brush first without the motor running, coordinating the platter and brush movements by hand, as you describe.

I also use another mat for the "clean side", after doing the first side using the original "dirty" cork mat that came with the machine.

Similarly, I use a second vauum-head for the rinse cycle, so that any contaminants picked up by the velvet strips on the first (cleaning) go-round won't be re-deposited on the second (rinse) cycle. This adds the expense of a second head, but the increased peace-of-mind for a semi-perfectionist is worth it. :D

I'm intrigued by your use of the pads to suck up most of the liquid and grunge first, before vacuuming. I've occasionally tried using things to blot up some solution, but mostly just let the VPI suck it all up, but your approach --while costing more in used pads-- might help keep the pads on the vacuum nozzle from getting as dirty, as quickly. Then again, I wonder if there is a chance of the pad pushing some of the dislodged grunge back down into the grooves?

Also, you said that you turned the platter about eight times with the vacuum, and then still left the record to air-dry after the process. Do you still detect moisture after the vacuuming? If so, that sounds to me like perhaps your vacuum isn't doing a very good job of sucking up the liquid. My LPs usually get DRY after just 2-3 revolutions on the VPI. If they look wet, it's only the like-new shine of clean vinyl. The difference might be due to the level of contact, the material (paint-pads vs. velvet), the degree of suction, the closeness of contact, or other factors. One guy (who sells a competing wet product) says that the VPI sucks TOO fast, leaving some dry residue behind, but I can't detect any of that happening.

Here's a suggestion: You might cut a disc of rubber or similar material, just barely bigger than the size of a record label. Lay it down over the record label before clamping it (or else cut a "doughnut" ring of rubber material that fits around the clamp, and put it down around the clamp, after clamping). You could add a thin but stiff backing to this, if you wish. This extra disk/ring will help prevent any water that spills over onto the label area (despite your efforts to prevent it) from affecting the label. Most labels are fairly resistant to minor/brief contact with water, but why take more chances than necessary?

Again, nice job there, and thanks for taking time to photograph and explain it so well! :thmbsp:
 
Here is my poor man's Disk Washer made from plumbing part.

2x ... 4" Clean Out Drain Plugs PVC ... $2.15 each
2x ... Kitchen Sink Drain Washers, Rubber ... $1.99
1x ... 3" #10-32 screw .. a few cents
1x ... wing nut #10 ... $1.50 pk
2x ... large Metal #10 Fender Washers - a few cents
1x ... #10 split washer - free from misc screw bin
2x ... flat rubber faucet washers ... $1.50 pk

The PVC drain-out plugs are for a 4" pipe, they are actually about 4-1/2" in diameter. The rubber kitchen drain gasket/washers are about 4.-1/4" in diameter.

The rubber sink washers proved a little to hard to really seal up the labels, so I added a couple of rings of craft foam over the rubber washers to seal up better.

I drilled a hole through the center of the Clean Out Plugs, which was easy since there was a small dimple from the injection molding process.

Put rubber washers on the metal washers to make sure everything was water tight.

I covered the center of the screw shaft with heat shrink tubing to keep in from abrading the record spindle hole. Then a wing nut for easy on, easy off access and I was done.

I seal up the label and wash the records under warm running tape water, then scrub with soapy natural fiber paint brushes, then soapy painters pads, a quick spray of Iso-alcohol, another wipe with a clean painters pad, then rinse and dry with microfiber towel.

Once wiped dry, I spray them with distilled water, and wipe with a another clean painters pad to make sure any residue is mixed with the distilled water. Then dry with new microfiber towels. Blue towels for tap water, white towels for distilled water.

Remove the label seals, and make sure to wipe away any water that may have seep in. Though very very little ever does.

The 4" drain plugs are large enough so I have something to hold on to, and provide a very secure hand hold.

I just have to make sure I don't bang the albums into the water faucet when I am rinsing them.

Not bad for $10.

Steve/bluewizard
 

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I'm intrigued by your use of the pads to suck up most of the liquid\ and grunge first, before vacuuming...I wonder if there is a chance of the pad pushing some of the dislodged grunge back down into the grooves?
Funny you should mention this now. That concern just occurred to me while doing some LP cleaning yesterday. I think I'm going to make a second vacuum wand so suck up the dirty wash water-same as your method-and see how that goes.

Also, you said that you turned the platter about eight times with the vacuum, and then still left the record to air-dry after the process. ... that sounds to me like perhaps your vacuum isn't doing a very good job of sucking up the liquid.
I've improved this. When I started this thread, i had the end of the schnozzle only loosely plugged---I don't know why. I have since sealed it completely so the full force of the vacuum draws through the fuzzy slot. It now dries completely in two slow revolutions. (I still stand them up to air dry while I do the next LP, just for good measure, but not because I can see any moisture.)

Here's a suggestion: You might cut a disc of rubber or similar material, just barely bigger than the size of a record label. Lay it down over the record label before clamping it ... Most labels are fairly resistant to minor/brief contact with water, but why take more chances than necessary?
Good suggestion. What ever i used would have to seal tight around the label for it to be any good at all. A wet bristle could easily slip under something that had any "flap" to it. If I try this, I will post my efforts here.

Again, nice job there, and thanks for taking time to photograph and explain it so well! :thmbsp:
Thanks a lot, and you're welcome---my pleasure. :yes:

is there a danger of getting the labels wet and damaged?
No. Not if I don't "paint" the solution onto them. If I went all cowboy with the brushes, they certainly would.

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I've been thinking of a combination of your turntable method and my label seal method. the problem is, if you want any kind of label seal, your spindle is going to have to be longer to accommodate the seal mechanism.

Since the #10 screw is smaller than the standard record spindle, one might be able to weld a screw thread on, and use that to clamp down the label seal. My label seals are about an inch thick including the two gaskets.

The only reason I get a trace of water on my labels is because when I am washing the record, I am also flexing it, and that flexing opens up a path for water to get in under the gasket. Though, more often, a trace of water on the label is from not clamping the seal down tight.

I'm curious if you have leveled your washer turntable? I think the label are naturally tends to be the thickest part of the record, so with a level table, water would be unlikely to migrate to the center. Though logically, if the table is not level, that could cause problems.

Have you considered putting some adjustable feet under the turntable board, so you can level it on any surface?

Still, it looks like a sweet cleaning system, and I don't imagine the total cost was that high; an old turntable, a board, a small second hand vacuum, and a trace of sweat. You probably don't have much more into your system than I have into mine.

I just shows what a little ingenuity and determination can do.

In my case, I do like the idea of being able to rinse under running water, but I also miss not being able to vacuum the records to assure I lift any dirt off. I also, don't think I do as good a job holding the records in free air. They do tend to flex as I wash them, so I can't really apply the pressure I would like. That is another advantage of a flat supportive table.

One additional point, rather than using two mats, which actually aren't that expensive, but I'm cheap, why not spray the mat with distilled water and vacuum it clean between changing sides? Using two mats are are trusting you clean mat to be clean, but if you wash if, then you can be assured that it really is clean. It's just a thought.

Finally, do I understand right, that you now have two vacuum wands, one to suck off soapy water, and one to suck off distilled water?

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bluewizard
 
Thanks for the kind words and further thoughts.

I'm curious if you have leveled your washer turntable? ... Though logically, if the table is not level, that could cause problems.
The amount of solution required to throughly wet the surface is not enough to bleed onto the label or run off the edge of the record. If you can paint a wall without getting any paint on the trim, you can wash a record without getting the label wet.

Still, it looks like a sweet cleaning system, and I don't imagine the total cost was that high;
Record clamp-$20
2 natural bristle brushes-$1.87
Isoalchohol-1.89
Distilled water-1.89
Used Shop Vac-$5.00
Paint pads for schnozzle $3.98
Total $34.63 (everything else, I had laying around in my barn)


Using two mats are are trusting you clean mat to be clean, but if you wash if, then you can be assured that it really is clean. It's just a thought.
I usually wash, then vacuum dry both mats before I start. And/or I store them in a way that the "dirty" mat is protecting the "clean" one--both stacked on the platter, held down by the clamp. The whole rig leaning against a wall.

Finally, do I understand right, that you now have two vacuum wands, one to suck off soapy water, and one to suck off distilled water?
Steve/bluewizard
Not yet. I've got my eyes out for a second wand to vacuum off the wash water. For now, I am still blotting it off with the cotton pads and only using the vacuum to suck up the clean rinse water.

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Congrats on the new machine, but at $1,400 I think I'll stick with my home made set-up. :yes:

$1400!!??!?!?! DAMN!

I'm guessing your DIY unit must "suck" much better!! (since I'm guessing the vac has a more power motor) Your unit in comparsion makes it seem like its free! I don't know anything about these RCM, so please forgive me, but I can't see how it would make sense to spend so much money on them. Can someone please explain what makes this particular VPI cost that much??


Thanks for the thread!
 
O.P. here.

Well, I've gotten back into cleaning more LPs. Since I started this thread, I have changed to using two schnozzles---one to vacuum off the wash water (I used to blot it up w/cotton pads) ---then a second schnozzle to remove the rinse water.

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Fortunately, they are different colors, I use black for wash and white for rinse. I can't say that vacuuming after each step makes an audible difference from blotting, but reason would stand that it is a better way to go.


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You should consider adding a steamer to your record cleaning routine.
The thought of that makes me nervous. Only because I once (many years ago) had an LP warp right in my hands just running warm tap water over it. I think the heat of the steam could really do damage. I know people do it, but I still don't feel assured.
 
Great Post....

Been looking to make one of these. Time now to get started. Price will be right! Thanks for posting:thmbs

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The thought of that makes me nervous. Only because I once (many years ago) had an LP warp right in my hands just running warm tap water over it. I think the heat of the steam could really do damage. I know people do it, but I still don't feel assured.
I do very aggressive steaming and I haven't warped one yet. The trick is to have your record spinning the whole time and on a flat surface. Steaming will take your record cleaning to the next level.
 
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