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Thanks for pressing input!

benfolds

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Hello all,

Thanks again. Its off to the cutting engineer and this forum was a great sounding board for me as we made our decisions - I got some good advice and insight from you all (and my twitter people too)

The record was recorded with the intention of making vinyl the priority. We realized that starts with the arrangements, production, equipment and so forth - right into the mastering finish line where we left the music as dynamic as it could possibly be. Analog all the way, manual mixes. Those who warn about loudness and compression are correct, but not to worry - this wasn't made for radio in 2005 - we're in good shape.

Here's what we did based on input from you all, research, and cross examination of life long veterans of recorded music:

* We resequenced and edited the record slightly to put the quiet string quartet song at end of longer side. That side is now barely 21 minutes long as I made some snips in a couple of songs to keep the time down. It actually helped those songs so all good.

* Having made the record shorter we're going with 33 rpm, one disk. We'll use 150g vinyl of the best quality available. This will keep the cost down (from 180g which is nearly twice as expensive) and keep us from hitting point of diminishing returns. 150 as you know is still much more substantial than the base weight. This will retain integrity of our music and not alienate those with shallow pockets.

* DMM at Abbey Road gets all around thumbs up from experienced engineers I've asked as there's a quantifiable gain which among other things takes a generation out of the process - this I'm told will be more effective than having put it on 180 g. Side A is a little longer at 21 minutes and this I've been assured will make up for the length (which isn't too long anyway, only just past the recommended length - plus we have quiet song at end)

* Lastly we'll be giving ourselves enough time to reject and revise after test pressing and to stay on top of the cutting engineer, which my mastering engineer will be choosing and cracking the whip on. We've left wiggle room and have patience for quality control.

I hope that as much as I've learned from the feedback that some of you get some insight into my side of things and what it takes to make good vinyl in an era past the pinnacle of the medium. And the next time I do this we'll hopefully get it more right. I love records!

Thank you,
Ben
 
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Great things to hear Ben!

So is there a projected release date so we can keep our eyes open for pre orders?

I wish you the very best in sales!
 
Great, Ben -- I'll be buying the record on day one. Please come back and tell us about the experience of cutting it!
 
Good luck!
I think this is where we can all copy that Microsoft commercial, "My name is Kris and the Ben Folds album was my idea".:lmao:
 
So your sending me a free album right? :banana:
Best of luck on your new recording Mr Folds.

Hello all,

Thanks again. Its off to the cutting engineer and this forum was a great sounding board for me as we made our decisions - I got some good advice and insight from you all (and my twitter people too)

The record was recorded with the intention of making vinyl the priority. We realized that starts with the arrangements, production, equipment and so forth - right into the mastering finish line where we left the music as dynamic as it could possibly be. Analog all the way, manual mixes. Those who warn about loudness and compression are correct, but not to worry - this wasn't made for radio in 2005 - we're in good shape.

Here's what we did based on input from you all, research, and cross examination of life long veterans of recorded music:

* We resequenced and edited the record slightly to put the quiet string quartet song at end of longer side. That side is now barely 21 minutes long as I made some snips in a couple of songs to keep the time down. It actually helped those songs so all good.

* Having made the record shorter we're going with 33 rpm, one disk. We'll use 150g vinyl of the best quality available. This will keep the cost down (from 180g which is nearly twice as expensive) and keep us from hitting point of diminishing returns. 150 as you know is still much more substantial than the base weight. This will retain integrity of our music and not alienate those with shallow pockets.

* DMM at Abbey Road gets all around thumbs up from experienced engineers I've asked as there's a quantifiable gain which among other things takes a generation out of the process - this I'm told will be more effective than having put it on 180 g. Side A is a little longer at 21 minutes and this I've been assured will make up for the length (which isn't too long anyway, only just past the recommended length - plus we have quiet song at end)

* Lastly we'll be giving ourselves enough time to reject and revise after test pressing and to stay on top of the cutting engineer, which my mastering engineer will be choosing and cracking the whip on. We've left wiggle room and have patience for quality control.

I hope that as much as I've learned from the feedback that some of you get some insight into my side of things and what it takes to make good vinyl in an era past the pinnacle of the medium. And the next time I do this we'll hopefully get it more right. I love records!

Thank you,
Ben
 
Ben,

Congratulations on your upcoming LP. I am glad to stopped and joined AK, love hearing from artists. We look forward to hearing your new LP and keep us posted. :tresbon:
 
Congratulations guy's, I look forward to "hearing" your latest work, minus the digital compression! :banana:
 
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Way to go :music: Keep us in the loop as it nears sale :yes:

We're very glad you looked for input from the community - it means a lot to both sides. I think this is the fastest way to build fan support :scratch2:

Good show all around. Who knows, maybe Ben started something here?
 
It's a class person that looks for and responds to feedback and, wait there's more, responds to the responders. Thanks and a hat tip.:beatnik:
 
Good luck with the new album. I will be buying it when it hits the shelves. On vinyl of course :D

Just out of curiosity, what 2" machine, mixdown machine, and mixing console did you use?
 
I really thought "benfolds" was just some cat pretending to be Ben Folds and having a go with us. It appears I was wrong.

I'm going to have to purchase the LP, especially since it is all-analog. If I could offer one marketing suggestion, I'd put an "all-analog" sticker on the product. I like stickers.

Ken
 
KeninDC: Yes! Stickers. VinylDavid: MCI J-24 2 inch machine. Front end mic pre's API's, Telefunkens, Neves and UA. Neotek Elite console. THEN we slammed the **** out of it through a compressor plug in! (only kidding)
Similost: late September release depending on promotion schedule
 
benfolds,

And I will be playing that LP on the air on release day. And proudly exclaiming "This is Ben Folds new LP and it's all analog and from vinyl" We air vinyl when possible for best sound quality. The equipment list is stunning. I love old MCI JH-24 decks. Do put "All Analog and proud of it" on the sticker on the LP.
 
Thanks for letting us in on what happens on your end. It's always interesting to hear about the side to it that is hidden for most of us.
 
Fantastic Ben! You hit all the right points in my own opinion. 180 grams is a nice selling point, but all my favorite sounding vinyls are Japaenes pressings "from the day" on 120 to 140 grams so it's totally what it's made out of, not how much of it there is.

Now, are you going to go to Abbey Road for the cutting? I hope so, what a opportunity that would be!!
 
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KeninDC: Yes! Stickers. VinylDavid: MCI J-24 2 inch machine. Front end mic pre's API's, Telefunkens, Neves and UA. Neotek Elite console. THEN we slammed the **** out of it through a compressor plug in! (only kidding)
Similost: late September release depending on promotion schedule

Oh, and if it isn't too late, please consider some backward masking for the PMRC. It'll make them feel relevant.

-Derek
 
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