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What was that Masked Console in D.C.

Now can anyone tell me why these early units are so scarce?? Is it because of low production numbers at first with Fisher??
Without question. Based on the increasing number of employees and the square footage of their production facilities, I figure Fisher would have probably broken the 1,000 unit/year mark sometime around 1950 with continued steady growth throughout the 50s.

The Philharmonic Radio Co. would have had to average around 150 units/year (including chassis for custom installations) during their approximate 4½ years of production to have produced the 600 total units that they are supposed to have produced. Avery Fisher stated that in 1937 he began with 2 employees (Victor Brociner & Stanley Bogart - actually they were his partners) in a 400 ft.² loft in Chelsea.

Production after the war would have taken several years to return to those numbers. Radio prices were government controlled by the OPA until Oct. 29, 1946. There were also material shortages. Not to mention that Fisher was starting over with a whole new company. But I think he hit the road running with a lot of momentum left over from Philharmonic.

The original Fisher "Laboratories" at 117 W. 63rd St. (now the site of the Lincoln Center and Avery Fisher Hall) were originally only 2,000 ft.². Avery himself said that he had 15 employees in 1946. I think that must have been before the famous Oct. Fortune Article that mentioned Fisher so prominently and in such complimentary terms. A follow-up article in the Nov. 18, 1946 edition of Time stated that he had "a few dozen" workmen who were working overtime to try to reduce the backlog of orders - no doubt the result of the Fortune article.

I know Fisher had some difficulties with the increasing competition for the home entertainment dollar from television in the late 40s. However, with the coming of the LP in 1948, business must have improved considerably. Sometime before 1951 Fisher moved his production facilities out to Long Island City. First to a 16,000 ft.² facility at 45-41 Van Dam St. (The building is no longer standing but the Van Dam Diner is on the same block) where he employed about 150 people. Then with the boom in "high fidelity" in the early 50s he expanded yet again, sometime before 1954, to the famous 21-21 44th Dr. L. I. City location, (45,000 ft.² still standing and currently for sale - It would make a great Fisher museum!). I believe that building was purpose-built and owned by Fisher. He was employing about 300 there by 1954.

That should give you some idea of Fisher's growth in their early years. If they were producing 1,000 units/year from their tiny Manhattan facilities, then you can imagine the numbers they would have been able to produce once they moved out to bigger digs in L. I. City. You do need to factor in their production of components starting in 1953. That was probably a major factor in their growth throughout the mid to late 50s and would have reduced the amount of space and manpower available for console production.

In the grander scheme of things, Fisher's production numbers are quite small. But for a "high fidelity" manufacturer from this period they were probably among the industry leaders if not the actual leader. I would also think that a higher percentage of Fisher Radio-Phonographs would have survived than most "lesser" brands. Their quality and longevity would have kept them out of the basement for far longer than most of their contemporary consoles. Once a console ends up in the basement the outlook for its future is not good. I keep wondering how many Fishers were lost in the recent flooding throughout the Northeast.
 
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Hiya,

Not to stray the thread but I gotta say Red1 .. you really should write a book. You are like an encyclopedia without the boring. You have a flair and style that I would enjoy reading.

Now back to da Fisher .. Larry honestly maybe its your great photographic skills but that console looks in pretty good shape as is. I am not totally seeing the need to refinish myself. But you have the best seat in the house to judge that.

Frannie
 
How about it Red?? Title it "An Audio Addict's History of FISHER Radio ." Connoisseur's Guide to "THE FISHER" Console 1945-1970" or thereabouts.


A tripod helps a lot. Manual settings and a lot of time too.

The Front, and sides are pretty good shape. One side near the top the finish is cracking and crazing, mainly from sunlight. I think I can hold off refinishing the side for a while. But the rest of the sides, and front are nice and smooth. The leg area looks fairly good, but it's scarred from the vacuum cleaner wars. A bit of sandpaper and restain, and poly/varnish/shellac should do the trick. The top is a different story. The original owner, whose granddaughter I gotit from, had stacked a small cabinet on top of it in the sunroom. The exposed top, bleached, and the varnish/shellac dried up and has peeled off the edges to about 3" in, on the back 1/2. You can tell where the cabinet sat, even after Howards Restore a Finish. So the top will get a steam iron on a wet towel to remove the old finish, then light sanding with 600 grit and 00 steel wool, steam out the nicks, and stained and Lacquered or Varnished.

I found some more caps last night and replaced a few more, plus some resistors around the outputs that were >5% out. It's sounding very close to the 800 now.
The eye tube was very weak, it now has a new one. It's wild waking up to that Eye tube looking right at ya.

Larry
 
Here's what the back side of the Speaker baffle looks like with the Motorola "GOLDEN Voice" Jensens' looks like. I just eyeballed the locations and think I got it close. The only caps I have left to do are the .022's and the lytics.
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I found a RCA 5U4GB with a 59 date vs the GE with a 65 date code. The RCA also tested better than the GE and was balanced between sides. It's close to done.
 
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Any updates on the Warwick, Larry? I sure would enjoy one of your in-depth comparitive 'reviews' on the R-3 vs. the more modern Fishers in your extensive collection. It would make for some great rainy-sleety-snowy day reading. (It was sleeting for a while but it's just cold rain now.)
 
Just received an email from Victor with the serial number of his 1951 (based on speaker production code) R-3: 7776! Your serial number is even lower than that. I had thought that, (based on Fisher's advertising,) the Warwick cabinet would have debuted in 1952. After reviewing all available evidence it now appears to have been introduced for the 1951 model year.

In an earlier post I identified Wrigley's R-3 serial number as 6080 but that was my dyslexia at work. Her's is actually 8060. So yours would appear to be the oldest R-3 still in its original cabinet. Amazingly, Victor also has two other R-3 chassis for parts. Their serial numbers are even lower: 1259 & 6905.

The difference between the lowest and highest serial numbers is an astonishing 6,765. Bear in mind that there were also R-1's and R-2's which proceeded the R-3. Also that Wrigley's 8060 is only 284 units behind Victor's 1951 7776. Since the R-3 continued in production at least through 1954, we're talking about a much large number of R-1/2/3 chassis than I ever would have thought. Where have they all gone?
 
DAMN! So it is a '51!?!!?! WHOA!!! (btw a good shot of the cloth I used for the grille is on the speaker pic above.)

I'm waiting on the weather to clear enough to get some $$$ doing the neighbor's leaves, pine needles, etc., so I can finish the Recap. So far it sounds very nice. I installed a back panel on the cabinet with a couple of 1x3 braces to minimize vibrations. Tightened up the bass really nicely. My math was way off on the speakers. 8ohm speakers with a 7.5 oHm resistor across the terminals gave me 4 oHm instead of 16 which I thought they would be. Took off the resistors and changed the output to 8oHm. Cut down on the distortion by at least 80%. Now nice and buttery smooth, Volume gets up there, but the high's are attenuated. With just the Woofer running direct and a 4uf cap on the tweeter, I think the woofer is overpowering the tweeter. I've got a xover from a DLK with a pot on it, I might try.

Comparing it to a more modern console....Hmmmm. Compare to my CE VII.
(6bq5 P-P in Mono vs. 6v6 P-P-P Mono. )

Set all the Tone controls Flat. FM in Mono on the CE VII.

Total Volume goes to the coronet due to the 15" Jensen (it's Definately a Jensen).

Bass goes to the Coronet. Not Earth shaking, but there is more of it, with a bit more authority and control (tighter).

Mid's go to the CE-VII, Vocals are clearer in the VII but they tend to be on the boomy side on both.

High's. Pretty much even between them. The VII has a bit more control at the pot, but the Coronet isn't as shrill as the VII at full lock. Hiss on the Coronet is a bit muted vs. the VII. FULL VOLUME with No signal, goes to the Coronet (even with lousy caps). Pretty much dead quiet. The VII has just the barest hint of hum @ 1ft from the speakers.

FM reception. With the Coronet handicapped with a misaligned tuner, it does very well. The upper end of the scale spreads out starting at 102 or so, so I get 105.7 at the 108 setting. The lower 1/2 of the scale is dead on. Using a "T" dipole the Coronet picks up more weak stations than the VII. The AFC control is a pot on the back of the chassis and hard to dial in. So best just to leave it full on. The AFC on the VII is tied in to the STEREO position. Considering both tuners are wide bandwidth, selectivity is fair. Sensitivity is a little better on the Coronet in the lower end. If/when I get the Coronet to the shop for an alignment, it will definately be a very good tuner. As will the VII. Right now call it a tie.

AM RECEPTION on INTERNAL LOOP ANTENNA or FERRITE BAR ANTENNA: Coronet by a mile. Even with the out of alignment tuner it pulled in stations that the CE VII, either wouldn't or couldn't. The Coronet has a wire loop antenna, and the CE VII a Ferrite Bar. Neither is adjustable. The Coronet pulled in ESPN Cincinatti (roughly 1530kc) last night and nothing on the CE VII. Signal was fairly weak, but listenable. A long wire would be a definate improvement. WMAL (630kc) was weak on the Coronet. None existant on the CE VII. Seems they've gone down in Tx power over the years. or is it atmospherics. Edge to the CORONET.



WAF: :thmbsp::thmbsp::thmbsp: Judging from the reactions of my wife and a few of the neighbors wives to the two consoles, they all liked the styling of the Coronet over the VII(upright vs lowboy). However a couple of them noted that they would be better with a IPOD Dock connected (I damn near had a stroke at that!). Explained that these were designed for tape and LP's. "Oh! Those black frisbee looking things"!! (YES! She was Blonde, and 25.........). Did note to them that a TV could be connected thru a RCA cable. "What? No HDMI? (What the Hell is HDMI anyway??????). I couldn't answer that one only to say NO. So figure all the Uprights and the Consolettes would probably have a better WAF than a lowboy. Although a lowboy could be crammed with more and better components.
None of them were taken with the functionality of the 510. They would rather have a fully loaded from the factory unit than have to fit pieces together. (yeah I explained that this is how a lot of people did it back then, either due to lack of $$, or wanting to piece together a system that wasn't the norm.) After seeing that in their minds, they relented and saw the practicality of it.

So all in all the '51 Coronet (in it's diamond in the rough condition) held up pretty well to a '64 CE VII. I expect it will, after it's finished and aligned hold up pretty much to at least a 400 if not an 800C in mono. If the EYE TUBE doesn't blind me one of these days. It' so damned mesmerizing.

(DAMN! It's gonna be a lonnnnnnngggg Winter!)

Larry
 
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fisher coronet hampton R3 w/ webster turntable

I received this link through a fellow fisher console lover (carter) and he sugested that I share some information about my hampton. I acquired this unit from a deceased dentists office in way north maine after a long ride around the moose, i broght it back to nyc some 15 years ago where it has been ever since. As one can tell from the pictures, it is in pristine condition. after changing some caps and replacing a broken volume control and finally after receiving the schematics and operating manual I got the AM (FM had already been working) and the turntable. It all sounds as incredible as it looks. I should mention that I have the benefit of the Fisher Doctor living close to me. I believe that my unit was produced around possibly 1951 and has an incredible (also pristine) jenson 15" speaker. But not the three way....too early for that. The only thing that it is missing now is the loop ring from one of the handles.....if anyone might know of where I can get one I would greatly appreciate it. I will post with my pictures. Now that the turntable is working, I would like as much information about it as I can get. I could not find any marking or tags on it whatsoever with the exception of a number RMA 375138. Is this USA??? Also my manual just indicates that "for information regarding the turntable please refer to the separate insert"...and of course, no insert. So, if anyone out there has any paperwork on this webster, I would much appreciate it. Also, my needles all seem to work fine, but seem to me in upside down. In other words, when I flip the needle to LP (microgroove) it skips the surface but works fine on the deeper groove 78s. And visa versa, when flipped to the 78 it works fine on my LPs. I have not wuite figured out yet if I can flip this thing around or if I am reading it worng. Would appreciate feedback of any and all.
 
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Hiya,

What a nice nice Hampton. Is that the scratch suppressor option I see ???

Frannie
 
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Victor. Gorgeous Hampshire. Looks like I got the CHEAP model. (no accessories. :D ) As you are facing the Tonearm, if the 78 is facing you on the knob, then the 78 stylus should be on that side. If not then just pull them straight out and reverse them. www.vinylengine has the doc's on the G.E. VR cartridges. You can also get new stylus' @ lp gear and Turntableneedles.com. Just reverse the needles and you'll be good.

What is the serial # on the R-3 that you have.

The Webster TT is a Webster-Chicago Model 100-28 made in the USA. Webster-Chicago a few years later changed their name to WEBCOR. The GE VR Cartridge is rated for between 8-10 grams of Vertical tracking force. In other words nothing newer than 1956-57 on it for LP's. It's strictly a MONO cart, so it WILL ruin Stereo LP grooves as it doesn't vibrate in the same direction as a Stereo LP.



Larry
 
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Hiya,

What a nice nice Hampton. Is that the scratch suppressor option I see ???

Frannie
trying to figure that out...it is an X5 ...the manual describes two options for this model....the Dynamic noise Supressor (as you say bublegirl....scratch suppressor) and the Dynamic Range Expander....both add ons were for the TT. I believe that mine is the expander designed to restore crescendoes etc monitored out at the time of the recording......
 
Hiya,

Carter or Larry would know better than me. I have the Range Expander in my Georgian and I think yours is the other unit which is the Scratch Suppressor. However yours has the adjustment knob exactly where mine is.

But my chassis is much larger than yours and its connections go to the back of the R-3 chassis. The other option goes to jacks near the front right facing the back of the R-3.

Frannie
 
Larry...thanks...serial numbr on the R3 is 7776. The needleon the Webster is operating in reverse of what you indicate just as I figured so I tried pulling out the little red thingie. It did come out but only fits back in one way.....I would think that the cartridge is in backwards. Is this what you fefer to by pulling it out....if so what, do ou reach under the tonearm head and pul out. The trouble is that the tonearm only raises up a few inches so I can't see the underneath....or, does it lift further with a spring etc. I just did not want to force anythng...thanks
 
hey...how does one add a picture...is that only for paying members....(O: I meant profile picture
 
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Nice Fisher. That Hampshire cabinet reminds me quite a bit of my Scott 800B, particularly in the layout department, though the handle pulls are nearly identical to whats on my 1953 Philco TV set.

You'd have to pull the styluses out of the holder on the GE VR to reverse them. Looking at it from underneath, it looks like an inverted T, with each side of the T holding one stylus, and the stem going up to the knob. The stylii will just slide out of the "arms" on the T so you can reverse their positions. Its a little easier to access if you rotate the red knob 90 degrees so the stylii are sticking out to the sides of the cartridge instead of being in their normal position.
 
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