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Changing it Up! Part Deux

In my experience, looking back fondly on old speakers is somewhat analogous to running into an old mate that you look back fondly on. Oftentimes you are reminded within seconds why you let that mate go in the first place.
I've run into old speakers I've sold and have always been abruptly reminded why.

MikeT,
Accounting for size and scale, how would you compare the KEF LS-50 presentation to the presentation of your Spendor A6s in terms of forwardness or other attractions/detractions?
 
In my experience, looking back fondly on old speakers is somewhat analogous to running into an old mate that you look back fondly on. Oftentimes you are reminded within seconds why you let that mate go in the first place.
I've run into old speakers I've sold and have always been abruptly reminded why.

MikeT,
Accounting for size and scale, how would you compare the KEF LS-50 presentation to the presentation of your Spendor A6s in terms of forwardness or other attractions/detractions?


Art, I hope this is not considered a thread crap. I'm commenting only because Spendors are on your short list.

Keeping in mind I've never had the two side by side, I'd say the KEF's are scary good speakers compared to my Spendors. I'll give you my impressions of the A6's compared to the LS50's (order of comparison reversed) since I live with the A6's every day and have heard the KEF's a few times and when I go to audition something new, they are always compared to my comfort level with what's at home.

The A6's have a lively mid-range similar to the LS50's just not as edgy. They both perform well over the mid-band but there is a hint more detail with the A6's. That's the thing about the Spendors, to me. Just when you think you might be missing something, along comes a session when the accuracy of instrumental timbre reproduction is just amazing.....very subtle.

Bass on the A6's is maybe a little smoother and seems to sustain lower octave notes more easily.

If the LS50's had been available when I was looking, I would have had trouble making a decision. Still, I was coming from an older pair of KEF's with the Uni-Q tweeter and while VERY good (I lived with them for 20 years) I find myself listening to the Spendors for much longer periods of time.
 
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I'm still waiting for the post wherein Art wins a lottery prize and decides to install a pair of Wilson Alexandras in his 9 X12 study.....:D


Seriously, Art, this has been a great thread. I love watching the workings of both your mind and those of the folks offering options. AK at it's best!!!!
 
I'm still waiting for the post wherein Art wins a lottery prize and decides to install a pair of Wilson Alexandras in his 9 X12 study.....:D


For that kind of scratch Art could get TAD CR1's which are the finest sounding set of speakers I have ever heard. IMHO. I have had a chance to listen most of the Wilson line this year at a local dealer and if I had that kind of money I would still get the CR1's. The CR1's are stand mounted monitors and would fit better in Art's small room.
 
I was being VERY facetious, Lee. However, were money no object, the best small speaker I've ever heard were the standmount Magicos(sorry, cannot remember model name/number). Astounding speakers.
 
The LS 50 is $1500 and it's probably fine. The Audio Note AX Two is $1200 list and it's a better speaker (for music) if you can get past the looks and boring design and paper woofers with foam surrounds (the latter I know is a deal breaker for ART) but aside from that it should be heard. It's designed by Andy Whittle of Rogers LS-3/5a fame. The drivers are more coherent and there is less (none) treble lilt that the LS-3/5a's exhibit and considerably deeper bass depth and dynamics.

The LS50 I heard at the California Audio show - one guy raves and raves that they're the best in the world and better than the Blade. Me I liked the Blade and walked out of the LS50 room it was far too bright. I always try to listen to something at least 3 times in 3 different locations with different gear. It's been better since oddly with lesser equipment in worse rooms. John Atkinson likes them a lot but unfortunately my ear is more of an Art Dudley ear - most of the stuff that JA likes is a bit unlistenable to me on long listening sessions.

Still - Jack Roberts on our staff really liked them last time he heard them and Jack and I have similar takes - so that's why I don't want to go too rough on them.

I am a little concerned about their 10% distortion at 100hz. I had trouble with the bass and the treble and dynamically I assumed they were single driver loudspeakers cause they sorta have that presentation. But shows don't always do justice things especially bass - either sucks the life out of it or booms. If it's about buying an accurate monitor it seems to me that the ATC SCM11 would better in terms of performance.

I was tempted to just buy a pair and see but the dealer here was suggseting that they're not real good in the nearfield and they get a lot of returns - and then he was suggesting B&W (not exactly warm) line of speakers. Then again he could be making more money on B&W's (lots of margin there) so I'm hoping to get a good demonstration before I close the door on them.

The biggest Audio Note dealer in the world in Hong Kong likes the LS50 and my dealer Soundhounds in Victoria Canada felt they were just okay and told the rep that they would not pick up the line.

So far the moral of the story seems to be you're either going to latch onto what they do well or be put off by what they don't. Gee like everything else eh?
 
That is your opinion on the Audio Note Two. When I heard them, I found the lacking in treble not detailed as I would like. I have heard them in several different setups and always felt the same. I felt the bass also made the speakers a one note wonder. It sounded relatively tubby and not deep.

I have heard others in the Audio Note line also (they came to AK Fest). Although beautiful I did not find any of their speakers enticing or exciting at all. I know people who like them and own them as well.

I myself would not recommend Audio Note speakers, but that is me.

I only heard the KEF LS50's in a bad setup in England, when I was there for work. It was in a small shop and not setup well, still they did shine. I would have liked more time with them. Art, I think you do need to quench your curiosity about the LS50. Give them a listen or you will always be wondering.

Well of course it's my opinion - what else would it be? It's also only your opinion that the AN's are not as good.

I heard the Devore Fidelity 3xL which is too pricey for the OP so I try to figure out based on what he already likes what might work at a lower price. The Kef is going to sound like a tin can compared the 3XL which is quite a refined loudspeaker. The problem with the Devore range is that they also make the Orangutan which is far more of an Audio Note J/E sounding loudspeaker (measures similar in appearance and on the bench). The AN K is often linked to sounding like a much better Clesestion SL6.

To me there are showroom speakers and long term speakers. Under show conditions AN doesn't typically wow anyone. Then again neither would Devore. What attracted me to Devore was their NFS (Not For Sale) room at CES and the Orangutan just played music and allowed me to relax from the sheer bombast over the top often rubbish that was coming from the other rooms. AN is typically like that. It does it's own thing and it's not like anything else on the market - and when you do that - you're not going to be liked by everyone. I think there are pretty sizable camps of sound in the audio industry - the big power hi-fi sounding stuff and the older school play it and forget get on with the music sort - the sit forward in the chair listening FOR sonic feats and the sit back and let the music wash over you sort. KEF is not in the same camp that Devore, Audio Note, Harbeth, Trenner and Freidl(albeit based on one model), Von Gaylord, Reference 3a, Acoustic Zen are in.

That's okay - KEF plays in the other arena - The PMC, B&W, MBL, Paradigm, Energy Veritas, JM Labs (Focal), Gallo, YG Acoustics, spectrum.

I like and appreciate both spectrums. I'm a huge speaker slut. But if I can only own one pair of speakers then I personally go for the first group.

Just to point out that my last show coverage at CAS the four best rooms I chose were:

Acoustic Zen
MBL
Von Gaylord
YG Acoustics

My Runner up room was Focal(JM Labs). 3 from the sit forward in the chair camp and 2 from the relax in the chair and drink wine camp.

If I was going to head to the other camp - on the second hand market (granted for a grand more) I'd look at the Focal Micro-Utopia and be done with it. If you can get enough front end on the Micro-Utopia it is not only a stunningly accurate speaker in every hi-fi way imaginable - it also allows one to sit back and drink the wine - the trick is getting the right front end. And unfortunately their current new prices are jaw dropping at $15k for their entry level standmount. Unlike Magico, Focal delivers the goods IMO for the crazy high money.
 
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That is my one fear, brightness, as I am hyper sensitive to it. Everything I am reading and all of the conversations I've had relative to this speaker and those who have lived with it for awhile, points to the fact that if you are experiencing brightness look elsewhere in the system. The LS50 is an open window in to the rest of your setup. Still it nags...

Hmmm, perhaps the LS50 will be just the thing you need. Do you know when your amp was manfactured? I've read over at Pinkfish that the Campion is softer and laid back. Leads me to think a more dynamic speaker and a softer, laid back amp as such has the possibilty of excellent synergy.

http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134565&page=11

A bit late in the day, but I have just caught this thread. The Campion although never quite officially ceased production and we have sold a few since this discussion began has been over taken by the Alabaster in popularity to the extent that we probably sell 30 or so Alabasters to every Campion these days. We do get the odd request to add the Campion Phono stage into the Alabaster and we have done so though at the cost of waiting as the phono pre-amp has to be (parts)ordered and built from scratch as we don't stock them any more. The demand for it though has not been obviously high. I am sure if there is a groundswell of opinion in favour then we would consider it as an official option there too. Always happy to listen to what you all have to say.

From a personal point of view and reflecting on the sound, the first Campion (which I have in my sound recording room at home) is a little softer and more laid back than later models. The later Campions, in my view, were more akin to the Alabaster anyway, which my favourite of all the amps I (we) have designed. The changes are subtle and really only noticeable if you take a Campion from say 1996 and one from this year. ROHS compliance had a lot to do with some of the changes.

If the way they are walking does the talking then The Alabaster is our king. One the UK's best dealers tell me that the Alabaster is their best selling amplifier (£1000 to £2000). I have recently graduated to an Orton.

Haider
 
Haider was talking about the earlier Campion. Mine is more like the Alabaster, as he stated.

I struck a deal on a pair of speakers today and would you believe it, they are floorstanders! Nuts no?

I should have the new speakers within a week or two...anyone care to guess what I bought.
 
Haider was talking about the earlier Campion. Mine is more like the Alabaster, as he stated.

I struck a deal on a pair of speakers today and would you believe it, they are floorstanders! Nuts no?

I should have the new speakers within a week or two...anyone care to guess what I bought.

I gotta guess.....Spendor A6?:D
 
You my friend are clairvoyant!

Listening to mine now! I just know you're gonna love 'em! Congrats and congrats! Jazz is spectacular on these Spendors IMHO of course.

I'm listening to my first Madeleine Peyroux CD and the recording is wonderful.

The waiting is the hardest part! Congrats again!
 
Sometimes I think that's what I need in my small room, a nice 2-way tower. Can't wait to hear your impressions Art.

Bill
 
Thanks guys. It was completely unexpected and meets none of my original criteria...sometimes opportunities present themselves. These will be the latest A6r in cherry finish.
 
Haider was talking about the earlier Campion. Mine is more like the Alabaster, as he stated.

I struck a deal on a pair of speakers today and would you believe it, they are floorstanders! Nuts no?

I should have the new speakers within a week or two...anyone care to guess what I bought.

you DID go with the Alexandras, didn't you!:D

(dying to know the truth, and how they sound in a smallish space!)
 
Thanks guys. It was completely unexpected and meets none of my original criteria...sometimes opportunities present themselves. These will be the latest A6r in cherry finish.

The latest A6r goes almost a half octave lower typical in room response (32 Hz) than mine. Placement will be even more flexible! Outstanding response from a two way loudspeaker.
 
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