Successfully Repairing Speaker Butyl Rubber Surrounds

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Recently working with my AMT3's, I managed to create a 3/4" tear in one of my brand new Dayton ST255-8 woofers that sport butyl surrounds.
After years of working with speakers, and a hot sweaty day in the garage I manged to do the "unthinkable". Crap-new $80 woofer shot.
First I tried silicone sealer-would not stick. I took it to Midwest speaker-they used some black stuff-same result (in fact this stuff got kind of hard and "scabby" within a month or so.
I figured I would wait till they went on sale-since these use unique surround types, and even re-cone kits aren't available.
I decided to do a bit or research on butyl rubber, and ran across a thread dealing with bicycle tubes types, thickness etc. The thread went on to describe successful repairs in shop, and on the trial and recommended a kit from Germany that had superior taper patches, but more importantly in my case superior butyl rubber self vulcanizing cement.
I found a kit @ Amazon, and decided to give it a try-$5.14, why not?
http://www.amazon.com/Rema-Touring-...1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352515604&sr=8-1&keywords=rema
I used a small brush to apply the fluid to the rear and front of the tear. I was a bit bummed as the tear at one end, toward the cone, kind of puckered up. Oh well I thought-worth a try.
The next day, a took a look, and the tear was now perfectly flush!.
I pushed on the tear from the front and back with my finger, trying with some good pressure to open the tear-it was fixed! I took the end of a nylon tie to try to scrape the dried fluid off the surround-impossible without scraping off the original rubber as well.
It appears to have chemically vulcanized itself to the surround.
I added 2 coats and called it good.
Over the 2 months, I have used this repaired woofer in my testing, and applied some good long term power to the woofer and it's still in good shape in the repair area.
The fluid, when dried is just as flexible as the butyl surround, and hasn't dried out or lifted.
I will keep a eye on it over time-who knows, but for now it seems to have worked well.
Granted this is a new surround, but from what I ran into initially, this is almost worse then a older surround as a new one is very slippery.
I didn't scuff the rubber, or apply automotive tire repair buff solution, just the cement.
With this woofer, I can't hear any difference between this woofer, and a non repaired one. A smaller driver/mid might be different-but judging from the flexibility of the dried repair fluid so far-I really doubt it.
How it works on older surrounds I couldn't be sure, but for $5, its worth a try.
 
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Thanks for posting. I was getting ready to investigate adhesives so I could repair a torn Infinity rubber woofer surround.

Just ordered the item in the above link and hopefully it works for me too....
 
Seems speaker surrounds are made of either nitrile or butyl surrounds.
Not sure how this would work with nitrile, if yours are, but it's worth a shot.
 
This is just the info I need for a Speakerlab woofer with cat tears in the butyl surround. Thanks,
John
 
Seems speaker surrounds are made of either nitrile or butyl surrounds.
Not sure how this would work with nitrile, if yours are, but it's worth a shot.

Not sure if mine are nitrile or butyl. For $5.14 I can afford to find out if this will repair the tear....
 
Not sure if mine are nitrile or butyl. For $5.14 I can afford to find out if this will repair the tear....

I agree.
Please post your results as it would helpful.
I couldn't find a lot of information on nitrile repairs.
I lucked out more or less on the butyl repairs, as their is really little good information out there on rubber surround repair-as most of us know.
Back in my younger days, I did countless tire patching, ussing the buffing solution and tire patch cement with good results if done right.
Again, looking at this repair and how well it has adhered to the surround material, I think this can be a good low cost solution, especially for irreplaceable or expensive drivers.
Loking at the repair this AM, I tried again to lift up the repair solution off the surround with my make shift nylon tie scraper, and it's not coming off-no way. So it has obviously chemically reacted with and semi vulcanized with the surround material.
I'm thinking in part this is why the tear area "puckered up" on the one end of the tear.
At that point I figured that was the last straw-time for a new woofer-and was amazed when I look at it the next morning, and it had settled down to a perfect repair!
I would advise the same-do a first coat that covers the problem area and let it alone for a day-evening etc. Don't fiddle with it too much. Then come back and add one more, or additional coats as needed. It's very flexible when dried-so I don't think you have to worry about it affecting the compliance of the surround with additional coats-especially with a woofer.
I'm really happy I found this solution, and better yet was able to share it with the rest of you. As mentioned the information out there on rubber surround repairs isn't very good-and I know I'm not the only one who has run into this lack of detailed and specific information.
Hopefully this thread, along with others results will help solve this problem, and keep those other wise good drivers performing for many more years.
 
I've had excellent results with holes and tears in butyl surrounds by using the vinyl air mattress patching liquid that they sell in the camping section at Walmart. It dries fast so you can do more than one coat in 10 minutes time and it stays flexible.
 
Thanks.
I have heard of both, and am curious how they would adhere to butyl, and nitrile as well.
I was sold on this particular patch kit because of it's ultra flexible nature, and holding up to bicycle tire tube duty, and it's consistency the reviewers had about successful and long lasting repairs.
 
This compound dries fairly fast as well, but I think it takes at least a few hours to fully cure.
I appreciate all the contributions here-as I know it will be helpful to those who find them selves in the same situation-especially with a new driver, it's a real drag!:sigh:
 
thanks for letting us know about that stuff.

I keep my closed fist around the screwdriver when near the cone or surround.

I learned that the hard way years ago....
 
Thanks for posting this, may try on some KEF B110 neoprene rubber surrounds to see how it works.

Bump for a very helpful thread. Another way to save damaged surrounds.
 
thanks for letting us know about that stuff.

I keep my closed fist around the screwdriver when near the cone or surround.

I learned that the hard way years ago....

Yep. Tell me about it. Actually, you don't have to. Learned the hard way.
 
and when you flip the speaker box over to get out that 'glued in' woofer out,
put your hands in front of it. It WILL hurt when it lands on your foot!
 
Has anyone had a chance to try this? Curious.
How the flexibility holds up over time should be interesting.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
It definitely is better then the stuff Midwest Speaker used ( I took it to them first). This stuff go hard right away, and could be easily peeled off.
 
I know this is a fairly old thread, but after searching this topic has come up a few times. I play with liquid latex to do halloween makeup some years so since I had it on hand I figured i'd give it a try after I noticed a rip in my surround that my dog have gotten overly excited when I asked him if he wanted to go for a walk :nono:. They probably haven't been used in a long time so they may need to be redone sooner than later, but so far it seems to be working well on that spot. Take it for what it's worth because i'm no expert.
 
Years ago, decades actually, I worked in the tire repair supply business. We sold patches, tools, and supplies to tire shops. I know if you have the right cement/glue/adhesive, whatever you want to call it amazing things can be done to repair rubber products.

The trick is to get the right product for the type of material you want to repair, and when one only needs a few drops the cost can make it impractical.

If one could find out precisely what kind of rubber needs to be mended someone probably makes a product that will fix it. I wonder what the manufactures use to glue the surrounds to the cones? Or, what industrial applications use the same kind of rubber. This could be the key to getting a product specifically engineered to make a repair.

Just adding my 2c.
 
I've had excellent results with holes and tears in butyl surrounds by using the vinyl air mattress patching liquid that they sell in the camping section at Walmart. It dries fast so you can do more than one coat in 10 minutes time and it stays flexible.

RTV sealent/adhesive. you can pick it up at any auto parts store, or any hardware store.

Luckily I've never busted one of my rubber surrounds, so I've never had to, but it works wonders and stays flexible on other rubber surfaces.
 
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